Werewolf CLI: Schrodinger's Werewolf: GAME OVER, WOLVES WIN

[mauchow]

With the votes 3-1 at one point dt puts a second vote onto cf. This is a good spot for a wolf to look good. Boo makes it 3-3 before cf and brit make it 5-3. Then I made the switch after chief made it 5-4. I will admit I folded under pressure cr and wanted to ensure a non-tie situation. Perhaps I could have waited another ten minutes before doing that but still...

I still don't have much clue on where to go.

[mauchow]

Glad we are getting some good discussion on what will be the last day if I die as we will not get a blocked nk. 3-3 and wolves win at that point.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

With the votes 3-1 at one point dt puts a second vote onto cf. This is a good spot for a wolf to look good. Boo makes it 3-3 before cf and brit make it 5-3. Then I made the switch after chief made it 5-4. I will admit I folded under pressure cr and wanted to ensure a non-tie situation. Perhaps I could have waited another ten minutes before doing that but still...

I still don't have much clue on where to go.

Putting a second vote onto CF would be a horrible wolf-play at that point if I was a wolf (which I'm not). The smart wolf play would be to not lay a vote there, or to lay a vote onto any of the other candidates to put them up ahead of my supposed fellow wolf. There were like 3 people with one vote at that point.

I put my vote on CF early and elevated him into the discussion as a legitimate candidate and I kept it there, unlike you, who switched around late (and early too). That's not a wolfish play by me.

Too bad I have things to do this afternoon and can't sit around and discuss this all day (work meeting and then hopefully some Xmas shopping during which I'll try to pop on a bit).

[Simbo Klice]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

I've got my vote currently on chief. Probably just a reactionary vote last night. I'm not good at analyzing vote records but if I had to guess I'd bet that we had one wolf on cf and two on boo. Dt and cr are the two left that were on cf. The odds are the same on either one. 2 of 4 on boo. But that leaves simbo all by himself. Not wanting to stick his neck out and change the vote. He may be as good as any also.

Had to get to sleep early to work the desk for another hotel in the area's x-mas party tonight (switching from night shift to afternoon). Went to bed around 4 so I didn't get to see where the wagons were rolling. I'm 95% sure that all 3 wolves and the cultist were on boo, Suicane's dead and I'm pretty sure I trust britrock.

I see this as an attempt to get the bodyguard to counter reveal. I don't think that's the right move as long as everyone's pretty sure mau is full of it, which is where I'm at.

If people would rather go to CrimsonFox, I'd be all for that too.

[mauchow]

I'm not sure why I am option. I am parr of the village. If I die and wolves get nk. Game fucking over.

Sheep.

[mauchow]

The wolves would not all go in on boo. The cultist was likely the other. Two wolves me and cultist and one other villager.

[Abe Sargent]

Back from a short three hour trip. Getting caught up, but for now, I'm going to follow our revealed bg with no counter reveal.


Vote Chief Rum

[Abe Sargent]

TO give mor einfo, follow because he makes some sense in sevearl places and posts.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Simbo Klice

Had to get to sleep early to work the desk for another hotel in the area's x-mas party tonight (switching from night shift to afternoon). Went to bed around 4 so I didn't get to see where the wagons were rolling. I'm 95% sure that all 3 wolves and the cultist were on boo, Suicane's dead and I'm pretty sure I trust britrock.

I see this as an attempt to get the bodyguard to counter reveal. I don't think that's the right move as long as everyone's pretty sure mau is full of it, which is where I'm at.

If people would rather go to CrimsonFox, I'd be all for that too.

I'm with you 100% of the way. At this point, I'm afraid mau is the cultist, trying to draw our attention to him so that we lynch a villager, the wolves get a NK (if the real BG is unsuccessful), and the game ends.

[Chief Rum]

It has been a few hours now since mauboy1 revealed, and no one has countered, so it appears to me he is telling the truth. If he was faking, in an end game situation, the real BG would have great incentive to reveal to get him, while the wolves in this game have pretty much no incentive to reveal, because we have no idea who they are.

UNVOTE MAUBOY1

[Chief Rum]

I'm just a vanilla villager. The wolves have no reason to step out right now and make a scene, nor did they last night. As a wolf, why would I attract attention--post lynch deadline I might add--by making a big deal about mauboy1's vote switch? That makes no sense.

[mauchow]

If I'm the cultist and u kill me the game is over. No point to kill me period. Unless I'm a wolf which I am not.

[Chief Rum]

It's important to get a wolf into this vote, because it's 4-4 now with respect to allegiances. The cultist would vote with the wolves to lynch the non-wolf candidate. And every villager would have to vote the wolf. Which means the best we can hope for today is likely a tie.

[britrock88]

One thing I'm hung up on is why mau (or any BG who revealed) would lay out who they protected in a situation where the village's backs are against the wall. Why give the wolves any extra information as to whom the BG trusts, or whom the BG is able/unable to protect tonight?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

If I'm the cultist and u kill me the game is over. No point to kill me period. Unless I'm a wolf which I am not.

I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone is really questioning that you're the BG at this point.

[britrock88]

Except for me and Simbo.

[britrock88]

We have 2 to 2, with Abe and mau on CR and Simbo and I on mau.

Simbo, what do you want to do?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by britrock88

One thing I'm hung up on is why mau (or any BG who revealed) would lay out who they protected in a situation where the village's backs are against the wall. Why give the wolves any extra information as to whom the BG trusts, or whom the BG is able/unable to protect tonight?

I'm going to chalk that one to mau being mau. He wanted to show that he was the BG by noting who he protected. It's a shame he told the wolves who he protected last night, though.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Except for me and Simbo.

I am pretty sure he is the BG. If he isn't, the real BG would have come out by now. Any reveal by a BG now would be very suspicious. The BG would have come out shortly after mau revealed.

[britrock88]

I'll disagree with Simbo on one thing -- I think CR is a baddy and somebody else who was on Boo (maybe Abe?) is a villager. Which leads me to wonder how to figure out who's a wolf and who's the cultist.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I'll disagree with Simbo on one thing -- I think CR is a baddy and somebody else who was on Boo (maybe Abe?) is a villager. Which leads me to wonder how to figure out who's a wolf and who's the cultist.

If I am a wolf or even a cultist, what is my incentive to make a big deal about mau's vote post deadline?

[mauchow]

unvote cr
Vote crimson

The votes stayed solidly in position all evening until I made the switch at the end. I gotta believe we have something with cf.

I'm as stuck as everyone is.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

If I am a wolf or even a cultist, what is my incentive to make a big deal about mau's vote post deadline?

To confuse the village as to who's whom...

[mauchow]

unvote cr
Vote crimson

[mauchow]

Sorry for the double post on the vote.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I'm with you 100% of the way. At this point, I'm afraid mau is the cultist, trying to draw our attention to him so that we lynch a villager, the wolves get a NK (if the real BG is unsuccessful), and the game ends.

This is really dumb.

[mauchow]

And incriminating.

[GoldenEagle]

I have thought all along that there is a veteran behind the scenes pulling all the strings. Do we really think that the wolves got extremely lucky by basically betting a 1.000 with their night kills? I doubt that. Something tipped them off about spleen and sucaine. Sucaine especially makes no sense because he had been quiet almost the entire game.

And then I got to wondering, why is Chief Rum still alive? I mean, typically the veterans are killed pretty early on. But he is still around.

I think this CR/mauboy thing is a pretty good attempt an confusing the hell out of the village. Both have voted for each other and already retracted them. Plus the might get the benefit of getting the real body guard to come out and make their kill easier tonight.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[mauchow]

Interesting.

[mauchow]

So you don't believe my reveal ?

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

So you don't believe my reveal ?

No. Because I don't think the real bg would reveal who he protected last night. If we vote off a villager today, we are done because the wolves are just going to kill me with no chance of a block.

It just convenient that you and CR got each in others face in the early in the day (in WW terms), but now have already backed down and are probably going to pin your vote on someone like CF.

That sounds like a typical wolf end game of confuse the hell out of everyone by making a fake reveal.

[mauchow]

This about my thirtieth game of werewolf. If it needs to seriously be clarified that I would not give my n3 target up while risking myself thus ending the game if we do miss a wolf with our vote...

I can only be so sly to throw off the wolves.

[mauchow]

My n3 block may or may not be true...in other words.

[mauchow]

Its probably more than 30 games... I don't know.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

My n3 block may or may not be true...in other words.

So you are admitting that you provided false information about your reveal? You keep getting caught up in this web of lies. What would be the point, if you were the real bg, of coming out and saying I protected so and so?

I don't see anyway that you are the real bg here.

[mauchow]

If the information isn't pertinent either way what's your problem?

[mauchow]

I originally only said that I was bg..that was it. I took some extra time to think about whether or not to reveal then decided to put together my first two nights that I protected and left the third up to the imagination of the wolves.

I'm not sure why you're so adamant. But okay.

[mauchow]

If I'm the cultist and the votes are on me I would sacrifice myself to die because the wolves would likely win in that scenario. As I've mentioned miltiple times now if we lynch a villager this game iiisssss oooooveeeerrrrrr.. slo mo for you.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

I originally only said that I was bg..that was it. I took some extra time to think about whether or not to reveal then decided to put together my first two nights that I protected and left the third up to the imagination of the wolves.

I'm not sure why you're so adamant. But okay.

I am just trying to put two and two together to see if I buy your statement, which I just don't. It looked like it was going to be a run away of votes on you and then all the sudden you come up with this super reveal that your the bg.

Then you tell us who you protected and then your retract that information back.

I am keeping my vote on CR on the off-chance that you are not telling some sort of crazy story.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

If I'm the cultist and the votes are on me I would sacrifice myself to die because the wolves would likely win in that scenario.

...so you're trying to fool us by being obnoxious enough that we might think you're a wolf instead of the cultist. Good luck with it.

UNVOTE mauboy1
VOTE Chief Rum

[mauchow]

I never retracted any statement. The n3 block is an important bit of info.

Now brit rock is being adamant too. Sheesh.

[mauchow]

I love this game. It gets me riled up and excited at the same time.

[Chief Rum]

I don't think either GE or britrock are making the logical decisions here. Since I know they're not dumb, I have to think they're in league with one another.

I also was leaning toward CF, so mau going there makes me feel better about it. I'm pretty much certain mau is who he says he is.

VOTE CRIMSON FOX

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I don't think either GE or britrock are making the logical decisions here. Since I know they're not dumb, I have to think they're in league with one another.

I also was leaning toward CF, so mau going there makes me feel better about it. I'm pretty much certain mau is who he says he is.

VOTE CRIMSON FOX

In league... as villagers!

The only beef I have with you, CR, is that you believe mau's reveal.

[Abe Sargent]

While mauboy's reveal and subsequent behavior are admittedly a bit...erratic...I'm not convinced it's wolfish. Not without a counter-reveal.

[Abe Sargent]

Just to make sure we are all clear...



I. Am. Not. The. Bodyguard.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I don't think either GE or britrock are making the logical decisions here. Since I know they're not dumb, I have to think they're in league with one another.

I also was leaning toward CF, so mau going there makes me feel better about it. I'm pretty much certain mau is who he says he is.

VOTE CRIMSON FOX

Quote for truth.

[mauchow]

I am 85% sure that Brit is the cultist. I am only about 50/50 on GE at this point. I won't be voting him just yet until voting finalizes tonight.

[Simbo Klice]

unvote mauboy1
vote crimson fox

at work so it'll be tough for me to be on too much. I'm betting the wolves are waiting for as close to deadline as possible to spring whatever plan they have on us.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I don't think either GE or britrock are making the logical decisions here. Since I know they're not dumb, I have to think they're in league with one another.

I also was leaning toward CF, so mau going there makes me feel better about it. I'm pretty much certain mau is who he says he is.

VOTE CRIMSON FOX

And now the transformation is complete as Chief and mau have backed off each other entirely and pinned their votes on CF.

I think the logical choice here is to vote for you. It is all just a bit too coincidental that you mau had this blow up, went in different directions, and now have pinned your vote back on square one.