Werewolf CLI: Schrodinger's Werewolf: GAME OVER, WOLVES WIN - Page 17

GoldenEagle · 12-20-2012, 10:23 PM

Yea, random.org picked Brit for the night 2 kill I think. It was on fire this game.

Abe Sargent · 12-20-2012, 10:23 PM

I kinda like the idea of making more rules random. Random tie rule out of four choices before the game begins, random for each role, etc. You know, push it to the next level!

britrock88 · 12-20-2012, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

well yeah i vetoed the brit killing cause he was more on my side after day 1. Couldn't kill him. They didn't want to kill mauboy or chief.
we were running out of people to kill really.

My thought after JAG's sacrifice was "I sure hope his feeling about CF is right," because the worst thing that could happen there was what in fact was the case. That's what I get for trusting JAG...

CrimsonFox · 12-20-2012, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by britrock88

I'm just surprised we didn't hear about CF's inbox filling up.

it did believe me. i missed a lot of their discussion. NO lie that i've been working 2 jobs and am sick.my access hasn't been great.

DaddyTorgo · 12-20-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Serious? I was pushing you guys to come out all day long for that plan. Check out my posts on making this cards on table time and my emphasis that the numbers are 4-4 today after last night....

I just didn't want to put it out there for sure in case there was something you knew that I didn't.

Yeah - I had a busy day so I couldn't really reflect on it until I did, and then I had to think it through and game it out and make sure of things, and then get the other two to come along.

spleen1015 · 12-20-2012, 10:24 PM

Here's the PM I sent to Autumn Night 1.

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Originally Posted by spleen1015
I will scan DaddyTorgo.

GoldenEagle · 12-20-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by britrock88

I'm just surprised we didn't hear about CF's inbox filling up.

OMG. So many PMs.

CF missed out on half the convo.

CrimsonFox · 12-20-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I kinda like the idea of making more rules random. Random tie rule out of four choices before the game begins, random for each role, etc. You know, push it to the next level!

I did that for jungle book. 4 different outcomes, two of which were randomly picking people.

CrimsonFox · 12-20-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Here's the PM I sent to Autumn Night 1.

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Originally Posted by spleen1015
I will scan DaddyTorgo.

AWESOME!

DaddyTorgo · 12-20-2012, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Here's the PM I sent to Autumn Night 1.

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Originally Posted by spleen1015
I will scan DaddyTorgo.

Thank god we got ya!!!

Autumn · 12-20-2012, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

and ha! so mau WAS lying. really i had lost track of who was lying about what. I didn't think he was the BG how he revealed as as he does it so often. But no one countered. And then I thought mau and simbo were both admitting that simbo was bg in their interchange which dt missed but I was wrong there too. But it didn't matter.

Yes, having a villager fake reveal as bodyguard is not something I expected to happen. LoL

GoldenEagle · 12-20-2012, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I would like to point out how awesome GE and DT were. Those two were more active than I was. more active than I've ever seen them before.
Very cool how active they were and how much discussion went into things.

Thanks. I enjoyed it as well. Being a wolf is more fun and I think I am better at it.

Autumn · 12-20-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Here's the PM I sent to Autumn Night 1.

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Originally Posted by spleen1015
I will scan DaddyTorgo.

Yes htat was quite an amusing night to watch play out. I was feeling bad for the wolves who were about to get outed, and then boom.

DaddyTorgo · 12-20-2012, 10:29 PM

Yeah - we could have lost 2/3 of the wolves there on the first day. Jeebus.

GoldenEagle · 12-20-2012, 10:30 PM

Did JAG send you a PM explaining his play? It is amazing how this game was almost flipped on its head. A matter of minutes plus players showing up on day 1.

Autumn · 12-20-2012, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I kinda like the idea of making more rules random. Random tie rule out of four choices before the game begins, random for each role, etc. You know, push it to the next level!

There is a much more complex, and random, version of this game I am thinking of running in the future. Basically everyone has not a role but a set of probablities for what role they have, that eventually collapse into reality. Everyone will hate it.

britrock88 · 12-20-2012, 10:32 PM

I will love it.

britrock88 · 12-20-2012, 10:33 PM

BTW, Autumn, if I have one critique for you, it's that the balance of power just seemed to be tipped very far in the wolves' direction (at 3-9-1). Being the BG, I was hoping and praying we were in Game 1 until Sui turned up as the hunter.

CrimsonFox · 12-20-2012, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

There is a much more complex, and random, version of this game I am thinking of running in the future. Basically everyone has not a role but a set of probablities for what role they have, that eventually collapse into reality. Everyone will hate it.

I have a name for that game idea.

Autumn · 12-20-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by britrock88

BTW, Autumn, if I have one critique for you, it's that the balance of power just seemed to be tipped very far in the wolves' direction (at 3-9-1). Being the BG, I was hoping and praying we were in Game 1 until Sui turned up as the hunter.

I think it wouldn't have seemed like that nearly as much with a seer in the game, but I agree. These sets weren't all balanced. The uncertainty of what set is in play is what is meant to balance it out somewhat. Nobody knows if there's a seer, for instance, or the wolves can't know if there's a cultist or not, they don't know if they need to deal with a Hunter or not. So once it became clear what game it was, it did tip in the wolves favor definitely.

CrimsonFox · 12-20-2012, 10:35 PM

and really my whole point today about calling mau a liar was to convince brit that he was indeed lying as at that point I really did think he wasn't the BG and the fact he falserevealed a lot helped. Didn't expect him to blow up so much. especially when he himself has kinda been in people's faces a little this game. Heck I caught all kinds of crap this game. *shruig* it's all game.

DaddyTorgo · 12-20-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by britrock88

BTW, Autumn, if I have one critique for you, it's that the balance of power just seemed to be tipped very far in the wolves' direction (at 3-9-1). Being the BG, I was hoping and praying we were in Game 1 until Sui turned up as the hunter.

I dunno - we were almost down to 1-9-1 after night 1, if we hadn't had 1 late vote and a lucky nightkill.

Autumn · 12-20-2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

and really my whole point today about calling mau a liar was to convince brit that he was indeed lying as at that point I really did think he wasn't the BG and the fact he falserevealed a lot helped. Didn't expect him to blow up so much. especially when he himself has kinda been in people's faces a little this game. Heck I caught all kinds of crap this game. *shruig* it's all game.

Calling someone a liar is always fine in Werewolf. It's the wording you used that was an issue.

CrimsonFox · 12-20-2012, 10:37 PM

and when we hit both tough hunter AND the wolf cub day 2. That was a bad day

Autumn · 12-20-2012, 10:38 PM

Yeah, Version 4 was the kind of "this could go any which way, and will" game.

Autumn · 12-20-2012, 10:39 PM

See again, things didn't work out this way -- if you had hit the Hunter before the wolf cub was gone, that would have left things still very unclear. People would be worrying about conversion, but also unsure if there was even a Hunter in the game, or a bodyguard.

Autumn · 12-20-2012, 10:40 PM

Basically I'm saying you guys suck for catching all the roles early.

Abe Sargent · 12-20-2012, 10:40 PM

Oh, and after learning I was teh Cultist, i pm'd Autumn and inquired if it was a joke, to which he basically responded, Life may be a joke, this is not. I laughed out loud for twenty seconds.

Autumn · 12-20-2012, 10:40 PM

What would have made it interesting was if on death you only found out if they were good or bad, not what role they were.

Autumn · 12-20-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Oh, and after learning I was teh Cultist, i pm'd Autumn and inquired if it was a joke, to which he basically responded, Life may be a joke, this is not. I laughed out loud for twenty seconds.

lol, glad you liked that

DaddyTorgo · 12-20-2012, 10:41 PM

Is there any sort of website that like...helps GM's balance games?

CrimsonFox · 12-20-2012, 10:42 PM

um this one?

DaddyTorgo · 12-20-2012, 10:42 PM

CrimsonFox · 12-20-2012, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Alright, tiem to open up that stash and eat a......

twinkie!

You opened the box?? Dude, those are worth millions now!

mauchow · 12-20-2012, 10:43 PM

Lol. Thats all I gotta say.

mauchow · 12-20-2012, 10:44 PM

Who was bg ?

Autumn · 12-20-2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Is there any sort of website that like...helps GM's balance games?

I haven't found anything really in that sense, partly because there are so many variations on how people play.

I do refer to some of hte basic rulesets used a lot on Boardgame Geek. They have a simple 9 player, a "perfect" 11 player, etc. So you can get a sense from there. But like us they like to experiment, so not everything is balanced.

I think you can get solid advice if you use very few roles, but once you start adding them, it gets dicey.

Someone actually did a statistical paper on Werewolf balance I found. Without any roles, basically, they found that the number of wolves should equal the square root of the number of players approximately. But once you add even one role to that, the numbers get much trickier they found.

Autumn · 12-20-2012, 10:45 PM

I loved that even though the game was essentially resolved today, nobody really knew who the bodyguard was.

Autumn · 12-20-2012, 10:46 PM

And at times the wolves were unsure about the cultist. They had been sure it was Abe, and then things got all crazy and they weren't sure any longer. Ithink the villagers should have tried to reveal as cultist before Abe did. That would have made things difficult.

CrimsonFox · 12-20-2012, 10:46 PM

I usually just bounce my ruleset off people that I find out aren't playing that have run a lot of games (like abe, hoops, etc). I totally recommend getting feedback on rulesets

CrimsonFox · 12-20-2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

And at times the wolves were unsure about the cultist. They had been sure it was Abe, and then things got all crazy and they weren't sure any longer. Ithink the villagers should have tried to reveal as cultist before Abe did. That would have made things difficult.

i was totally sure it was abe by day 3. was too obvious. Everything else was just villagers eating villagers.

mauchow · 12-20-2012, 10:48 PM

why does abe keep sayin he loves me?

CrimsonFox · 12-20-2012, 10:48 PM

granted i wasn't involved in all of the wolf discussion. just tried not to get lynched.

mauchow · 12-20-2012, 10:48 PM

CrimsonFox · 12-20-2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

why does abe keep sayin he loves me?

who doesn't...

mauchow · 12-20-2012, 10:49 PM

Freakin' A. I start off the game and DT 'pings' me and he's all like "that happened last game, too.."

lol

CrimsonFox · 12-20-2012, 10:49 PM

I'm never saying another thing toward you as a wolf mau. You always read me :P. you have autumn's number too.

mauchow · 12-20-2012, 10:49 PM

Ah, well.

I don't love you, CF. AT least not for about 2 more minutes.

Abe Sargent · 12-20-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

why does abe keep sayin he loves me?

I thought you needed a lil love after some of teh heat that came at ya

mauchow · 12-20-2012, 10:55 PM

I was so proud of my plan this morning to reveal as the BG in an attempt to lure out the Cultist to fake reveal as well.

I knew it was the only way we'd have a chance with it looking like that I was going to get slammed in a 7-1 vote (which I did anyway but only because it was a joke to do so). After realizing that we had no chance around mid-day it was all downhill from there. But the plan semi-worked with Abe flat out coming out that he was the cultist. Which, of course, the game was pretty much over.

It was a funny evening though, despite my rantings..

12-20-2012, 10:23 PM	#801
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	Yea, random.org picked Brit for the night 2 kill I think. It was on fire this game. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

12-20-2012, 10:23 PM	#802
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I kinda like the idea of making more rules random. Random tie rule out of four choices before the game begins, random for each role, etc. You know, push it to the next level! __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

12-20-2012, 10:24 PM	#806
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Here's the PM I sent to Autumn Night 1. Quote: Originally Posted by spleen1015 I will scan DaddyTorgo. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

12-20-2012, 10:29 PM	#814
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Yeah - we could have lost 2/3 of the wolves there on the first day. Jeebus. __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

12-20-2012, 10:30 PM	#815
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	Did JAG send you a PM explaining his play? It is amazing how this game was almost flipped on its head. A matter of minutes plus players showing up on day 1. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

12-20-2012, 10:32 PM	#817
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	I will love it.

12-20-2012, 10:33 PM	#818
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	BTW, Autumn, if I have one critique for you, it's that the balance of power just seemed to be tipped very far in the wolves' direction (at 3-9-1). Being the BG, I was hoping and praying we were in Game 1 until Sui turned up as the hunter.

12-20-2012, 10:35 PM	#821
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	and really my whole point today about calling mau a liar was to convince brit that he was indeed lying as at that point I really did think he wasn't the BG and the fact he falserevealed a lot helped. Didn't expect him to blow up so much. especially when he himself has kinda been in people's faces a little this game. Heck I caught all kinds of crap this game. shruig it's all game.

12-20-2012, 10:37 PM	#824
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	and when we hit both tough hunter AND the wolf cub day 2. That was a bad day

12-20-2012, 10:38 PM	#825
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Yeah, Version 4 was the kind of "this could go any which way, and will" game.

12-20-2012, 10:39 PM	#826
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	See again, things didn't work out this way -- if you had hit the Hunter before the wolf cub was gone, that would have left things still very unclear. People would be worrying about conversion, but also unsure if there was even a Hunter in the game, or a bodyguard.

12-20-2012, 10:40 PM	#827
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Basically I'm saying you guys suck for catching all the roles early.

12-20-2012, 10:40 PM	#828
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Oh, and after learning I was teh Cultist, i pm'd Autumn and inquired if it was a joke, to which he basically responded, Life may be a joke, this is not. I laughed out loud for twenty seconds. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

12-20-2012, 10:40 PM	#829
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	What would have made it interesting was if on death you only found out if they were good or bad, not what role they were.

12-20-2012, 10:41 PM	#831
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Is there any sort of website that like...helps GM's balance games? __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

12-20-2012, 10:42 PM	#832
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	um this one?

12-20-2012, 10:42 PM	#833
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	LOL __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

12-20-2012, 10:43 PM	#835
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Lol. Thats all I gotta say.

12-20-2012, 10:44 PM	#836
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Who was bg ?

12-20-2012, 10:45 PM	#838
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I loved that even though the game was essentially resolved today, nobody really knew who the bodyguard was.

12-20-2012, 10:46 PM	#839
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	And at times the wolves were unsure about the cultist. They had been sure it was Abe, and then things got all crazy and they weren't sure any longer. Ithink the villagers should have tried to reveal as cultist before Abe did. That would have made things difficult.

12-20-2012, 10:46 PM	#840
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	I usually just bounce my ruleset off people that I find out aren't playing that have run a lot of games (like abe, hoops, etc). I totally recommend getting feedback on rulesets

12-20-2012, 10:48 PM	#842
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	why does abe keep sayin he loves me?

12-20-2012, 10:48 PM	#843
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	granted i wasn't involved in all of the wolf discussion. just tried not to get lynched.

12-20-2012, 10:48 PM	#844
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN

12-20-2012, 10:49 PM	#846
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Freakin' A. I start off the game and DT 'pings' me and he's all like "that happened last game, too.." lol

12-20-2012, 10:49 PM	#847
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	I'm never saying another thing toward you as a wolf mau. You always read me :P. you have autumn's number too.

12-20-2012, 10:49 PM	#848
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Ah, well. I don't love you, CF. AT least not for about 2 more minutes.

12-20-2012, 10:55 PM	#850
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I was so proud of my plan this morning to reveal as the BG in an attempt to lure out the Cultist to fake reveal as well. I knew it was the only way we'd have a chance with it looking like that I was going to get slammed in a 7-1 vote (which I did anyway but only because it was a joke to do so). After realizing that we had no chance around mid-day it was all downhill from there. But the plan semi-worked with Abe flat out coming out that he was the cultist. Which, of course, the game was pretty much over. It was a funny evening though, despite my rantings..

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