Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy CHAOS DEFEATED; MUTANTS SURVIVE - Page 42

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

*L*

Nice try. Unfortunately, if you think I'm the lord and it takes 2 kills to off me.. how are you going to do that during the day when I'm not around?

Hard to kill a ghost.. No?

Hell if I know. You're the one that knows what is going on, I don't know anything. I am considering withdrawing.

Chief Rum · 09-04-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Not at all. I don't even know you. I am talking about the player in the game.

Then don't make it about the player in the game. Just don't do it.

saldana · 09-04-2006, 08:31 PM

i honestly have no intention of believing anything mustang says about his former masters.

Alan T · 09-04-2006, 08:32 PM

I honestly think I learned something with the mustang death. Maybe its just me though.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

At this point, we deserve to lose. How many times have we gained nothing by not believing anything anybody tells us? At some point we need to trust a big reveal and kill the revealer if we find out he lied.

You are still saying we killed a good guy?

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I honestly think I learned something with the mustang death. Maybe its just me though.

it means we've screwed the pooch so far

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I honestly think I learned something with the mustang death. Maybe its just me though.

Care to share with the rest of the class?

saldana · 09-04-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

Mustang is dead. He is now a ghost. He can communicate at night only. He cannot vote.

this just adds to the imbalance....everyone else that died, we were told that they were a mutant, chaos, or loyal human...this time we get ghost....which does absolutely nothing to help those of us left in the game...we should at least be told his status before he died.

tanglewood · 09-04-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

TW, can you confirm that we can no longer vote for Mustang?

Mustang is dead. He cannot vote nor be voted for. For all intents and purposes he is out of the game, barring that he is still allowed to communicate at night only.

Mustang · 09-04-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

Mustang, do you have any idea what would happen if Alan T and/or I try to "convert" swaggs?

I don't know.

My guess is that he can not be converted. If anything, you might have to try to convert 2 nights in a row or convert and then kill. Maybe a convert counts as a kill?

Unfortunately, all that is speculation right now on my part. There are some things I just don't know. Everything I do know I've spilled the beans on and everything else is just going to be speculation by me at this point.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

You are still saying we killed a good guy?

I have no idea. Grey said he converted a Chaos member, and Mustang said he was a converted Chaos member. Since we killed him off right away, we can't test those assertions. What we found out from his death was totally inconclusive. This is why I was pushing to take out Swaggs. If Swaggs was Chaos, we would know we could trust Grey and Mustang. If Swaggs was good, we would know that Mustang was very bad and we would be quite positive that Grey was bad. We don't know if things are better, worse, or the same right now.

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 08:37 PM

i say things are worse, we lost a loyalist and Swaggs has more time to do his dirty work.

Alan T · 09-04-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Care to share with the rest of the class?

I still think that its interesting the people who voted for swaggs were people I have had on my mutant suspect list. and people who voted for mustang were either people I felt good about or people I thought were chaos.

I think this vote might be helpful in trying to figure out who is on which side.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I still think that its interesting the people who voted for swaggs were people I have had on my mutant suspect list. and people who voted for mustang were either people I felt good about or people I thought were chaos.

I think this vote might be helpful in trying to figure out who is on which side.

Ah, so I push for a vote which will actually tell us something, and you push for a vote which tells us nothing....so you can voice your own theories.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I still think that its interesting the people who voted for swaggs were people I have had on my mutant suspect list. and people who voted for mustang were either people I felt good about or people I thought were chaos.

I think this vote might be helpful in trying to figure out who is on which side.

I was thinking that the people who voted for swaggs were chaos, and you and saldana are mutants. Don't fly off the handle, I'm just telling my thoughts. I'm going to have to put that in every one of my posts.

saldana · 09-04-2006, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

I was thinking that the people who voted for swaggs were chaos, and you and saldana are mutants. Don't fly off the handle, I'm just telling my thoughts. I'm going to have to put that in every one of my posts.

maybe you should make it your signature? fwiw, i am in the same frustration boat as you, and i still think you are a chaos, so no offense taken here.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

You still think Swaggs is not Chaos?

Yes. The only proof is the word of a guy who "was" Chaos, and is now a ghost. Give me some more proof.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

I was thinking that the people who voted for swaggs were chaos, and you and saldana are mutants. Don't fly off the handle, I'm just telling my thoughts. I'm going to have to put that in every one of my posts.

You still think Swaggs is not Chaos?

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Yes. The only proof is the word of a guy who "was" Chaos, and is now a ghost. Give me some more proof.

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only good guy participating in this game.

Mustang · 09-04-2006, 08:45 PM

I do not think anyone that was in any group is Chaos other than Swaggs. He is the only chaos I know right now.

After tonight, if there are no kills, I can not guarantee that.

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 08:46 PM

i still can't believe you guys don't trust me yet

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Yes. The only proof is the word of a guy who "was" Chaos, and is now a ghost. Give me some more proof.

I don't have any more proof. He was on my un-cleared list and he was fingered by Grey - through his clearing of Mustang. I don't have anything more than that. Maybe sending one of our seers after him tonight would be worthwhile?

Chief Rum · 09-04-2006, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

i still can't believe you guys don't trust me yet

Stop saying that.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

I don't have any more proof. He was on my un-cleared list and he was fingered by Grey - through his clearing of Mustang. I don't have anything more than that. Maybe sending one of our seers after him tonight would be worthwhile?

Yes, depends on which one.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

Brian confirmed the mechanics of my attempted kill...
Grey confirmed he converted me.

So, you either believe Brian & Grey or you lynch them tomorrow thinking we have all banded together and are all Chaos..

Good idea, but I can't lynch them both.

Mustang · 09-04-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Yes. The only proof is the word of a guy who "was" Chaos, and is now a ghost. Give me some more proof.

Brian confirmed the mechanics of my attempted kill...
Grey confirmed he converted me.

So, you either believe Brian & Grey or you lynch them tomorrow thinking we have all banded together and are all Chaos..

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Yes, depends on which one.

I'm willing to let you take your pick.

Chief Rum · 09-04-2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

Brian confirmed the mechanics of my attempted kill...
Grey confirmed he converted me.

So, you either believe Brian & Grey or you lynch them tomorrow thinking we have all banded together and are all Chaos..

And if you don't believe grey is good, then you must believe GE isn't good either, as they met on Night One. And that somehow, grey being bad was ignored by Blade, the bodyguard, who was good. And that, despite being bad, grey led an effort to save bullet, who was good.

Well, sheesh, I am convinced myself--grey must be bad.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Good idea, but I can't lynch them both.

I hate to keep saying this, but if you had lynched Swaggs tonight, you'd know for sure if you needed to lynch me and Grey. Do you really think I would have been pushing so hard for such a definitive answer if I wasn't confident on the outcome?

Chief Rum · 09-04-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

I'm willing to let you take your pick.

I would tell both of them to scan the same guy.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I would tell both of them to scan the same guy.

That would work too. Let them compare notes.

st.cronin · 09-04-2006, 09:09 PM

Well now. Had I been around, I would have almost certainly voted for Swaggs. But I'm not a mutant.

kingfc22 · 09-04-2006, 09:20 PM

I have some very big information. Let me catch up before I announce my findings.

kingfc22 · 09-04-2006, 09:21 PM

Awwww. Crap. We ran a day phase today?!?!?!?!?

Chief Rum · 09-04-2006, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Awwww. Crap. We ran a day phase today?!?!?!?!?

Well, we were originally going to do that. It just got a late start because of TW's real life issues.

I definitely look forward to hearing what you have to say (is it from last night's night actions, I am guessing?).

kingfc22 · 09-04-2006, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Well, we were originally going to do that. It just got a late start because of TW's real life issues.

I definitely look forward to hearing what you have to say (is it from last night's night actions, I am guessing?).

Yea, it is from last night's phase. I thought since TW didn't get the night post til this afternoon EST, I figured we would push the day phase back a day. Had to work and just got home.

st.cronin · 09-04-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Yea, it is from last night's phase. I thought since TW didn't get the night post til this afternoon EST, I figured we would push the day phase back a day. Had to work and just got home.

That's probably what he SHOULD have done. I got squeezed for time a little myself.

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 09:30 PM

well at least we had enough time to make a mistake

GoldenEagle · 09-04-2006, 09:54 PM

I really wish we would not have played today. With it being a holiday and all, I was no where near my computer. I guess it is time to get caught up and what not.....

kingfc22 · 09-04-2006, 09:57 PM

Okay. Finally caught up. Lats night I investigated saldana because something just didn't seem right. To my pleasent surprise I was RIGHT.

My investigation was very hard last night. It took me a lot of sources to get any information about saldana. The biggest information is that he is not strictly a member of the imperium. IMO, he is a mutant.

As far as his role goes, he does get visions at night, but they are sometimes cloudy and there is no way to be sure when they are going to be about. The only thing I know for sure about his power is that the visions are frequent and involuntary.

kingfc22 · 09-04-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

As far as his role goes, he does get visions at night, but they are sometimes cloudy and there is no way to be sure what they are going to be about. The only thing I know for sure about his power is that the visions are frequent and involuntary.

This is what I meant to say. He gets these visions at night so my post saying "when" is incorrect.

st.cronin · 09-04-2006, 09:59 PM

Well, I would have happily voted to chop HIS head off had I known that.

twothree · 09-04-2006, 10:00 PM

Further examinination around the corpse of twothree reveals two cryptic words scribbled in dried blood...

vote tanglewood

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 10:01 PM

Well now isn't that interesting.

kingfc22 · 09-04-2006, 10:02 PM

Sorry guys. I really feel like I lost the game for us by not being here this afternoon.

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 10:03 PM

If Mustang is to be believed, and I believe he is to be believed. Swaggs will try to convert someone tonight or tomorrow.

Saldana might be able to "see" this encounter.

So it is kind of a dilemma on whether to kill Saldana just yet. I say we lynch Swaggs once, saldana, and then Swaggs again.

st.cronin · 09-04-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Sorry guys. I really feel like I lost the game for us by not being here this afternoon.

I don't think the game is lost. And either way, it's definitely not your fault. I'm really surprised people were tempted to vote for Mustang. I could have seen voting for almost anybody else.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Sorry guys. I really feel like I lost the game for us by not being here this afternoon.

That is alright, I felt the same way after I wasn't around to save Bullet.

I will say this shines an interesting light on those that voted for Mustang today.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

If Mustang is to be believed, and I believe he is to be believed. Swaggs will try to convert someone tonight or tomorrow.

Saldana might be able to "see" this encounter.

So it is kind of a dilemma on whether to kill Saldana just yet. I say we lynch Swaggs once, saldana, and then Swaggs again.

I think that depends on what happens tonight. If nobody gets killed, we should be able to double-tap Swaggs and then try to figure out who he converted.

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 10:08 PM

good point

09-04-2006, 08:45 PM	#2070
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	I do not think anyone that was in any group is Chaos other than Swaggs. He is the only chaos I know right now. After tonight, if there are no kills, I can not guarantee that. __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

09-04-2006, 09:09 PM	#2082
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Well now. Had I been around, I would have almost certainly voted for Swaggs. But I'm not a mutant. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

09-04-2006, 09:20 PM	#2083
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	I have some very big information. Let me catch up before I announce my findings. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

09-04-2006, 09:21 PM	#2084
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Awwww. Crap. We ran a day phase today?!?!?!?!? __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

09-04-2006, 09:54 PM	#2089
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	I really wish we would not have played today. With it being a holiday and all, I was no where near my computer. I guess it is time to get caught up and what not..... __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

09-04-2006, 08:31 PM	#2053
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	i honestly have no intention of believing anything mustang says about his former masters.

09-04-2006, 08:32 PM	#2054
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I honestly think I learned something with the mustang death. Maybe its just me though.

09-04-2006, 08:37 PM	#2062
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	i say things are worse, we lost a loyalist and Swaggs has more time to do his dirty work.

09-04-2006, 08:46 PM	#2071
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	i still can't believe you guys don't trust me yet

09-04-2006, 09:30 PM	#2088
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	well at least we had enough time to make a mistake

09-04-2006, 09:57 PM	#2090
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Okay. Finally caught up. Lats night I investigated saldana because something just didn't seem right. To my pleasent surprise I was RIGHT. My investigation was very hard last night. It took me a lot of sources to get any information about saldana. The biggest information is that he is not strictly a member of the imperium. IMO, he is a mutant. As far as his role goes, he does get visions at night, but they are sometimes cloudy and there is no way to be sure when they are going to be about. The only thing I know for sure about his power is that the visions are frequent and involuntary. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

09-04-2006, 09:59 PM	#2092
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Well, I would have happily voted to chop HIS head off had I known that. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

09-04-2006, 10:00 PM	#2093
twothree College Prospect Join Date: May 2005	Further examinination around the corpse of twothree reveals two cryptic words scribbled in dried blood... vote tanglewood

09-04-2006, 10:01 PM	#2094
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Well now isn't that interesting.

09-04-2006, 10:02 PM	#2095
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Sorry guys. I really feel like I lost the game for us by not being here this afternoon. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

09-04-2006, 10:03 PM	#2096
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	If Mustang is to be believed, and I believe he is to be believed. Swaggs will try to convert someone tonight or tomorrow. Saldana might be able to "see" this encounter. So it is kind of a dilemma on whether to kill Saldana just yet. I say we lynch Swaggs once, saldana, and then Swaggs again.

09-04-2006, 10:08 PM	#2100
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	good point

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