Last Chance - NCAA Tournament Bubble Team Predictions??

MylesKnight · 03-16-2003, 03:36 AM

How about some educated guesses from some of our esteemed FOFC'ers who closely follow College Hoops...

Who should be in and who shouldn't among the teams who will be sweating things out Sunday, waiting for the announcement of the 65 Team Bracket?

Alabama... In or Out?
Butler?
Seton Hall?
Gonzaga?
Southern Illinois?
Colorado?
Tennessee?

and on and on......

TroyF · 03-16-2003, 04:03 AM

Alabama - In
Butler - Should be in, but I'm guessing they'll be out
Seton Hall - Out
Gonzaga - In
Southern Illinois - In
Colorado - Should be out. . . but they'll be in
Tennessee - Out

TroyF

IMetTrentGreen · 03-16-2003, 06:14 AM

alabama - not a chance
butler - Probably not
seton hall - out
gonzaga - in
siu - in, barely
colorado - 0-8 on the road in conference play, out
tennessee - i don't know
texas tech - out, barely

lynchjm24 · 03-16-2003, 09:50 AM

Bama - In
Butler - In
Hall - Out
Gonzaga - In
SIU - In
Colorado - In
Tennesee - Out
Tech - Out

TroyF · 03-16-2003, 10:23 AM

For the record, Colorado went 1-7 in the Big12 on the road. I guess you could say the Baylor win didn't count, but it does.

I agree, they shouldn't be in the tourney. Not with that road record. It's the same reason Nebraska shouldn't have played in the national title game against Miami a couple of years ago in football.

Winning on the road means something. If you can't do it, you don't belong with the elite.

Having said that, CU won 20 games. They beat 2 of the top 5 teams in the country. Added wins against Missouri and Oklahoma State and ended up 9-7 in the conference most people rate the #1 or #2 conference in the country. I'd be surprised if they didn't get in the dance. (very happily surprised, because I'd much rather see a team like Butler make it over CU)

TroyF

lynchjm24 · 03-16-2003, 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by TroyF
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Having said that, CU won 20 games. They beat 2 of the top 5 teams in the country. Added wins against Missouri and Oklahoma State and ended up 9-7 in the conference most people rate the #1 or #2 conference in the country. I'd be surprised if they didn't get in the dance. (very happily surprised, because I'd much rather see a team like Butler make it over CU)

TroyF

I think Butler and Colorado are both shoo-ins at this point. I don't think there is going to be one team that has a gripe - the cut will be somewhere around Auburn. They don't have much of a case. Once USC/Temple/ect lost yesterday everything went back to normal.

MylesKnight · 03-16-2003, 01:11 PM

I would have to think Colorado has to be in at this point, especially after Texas Tech lost to OU yesterday.

The Buffs finished three games ahead of TT in the Big 12 (CU 9-7, TT 6-10) and as you mentioned Troy, knocked off a couple of the country's Heavyweights in the process.

Now, if they would've lost to Baylor and gone 0 for the Conference on the Road, I don't know if you could've taken them.

But hey, they did win that game and they managed to knock off K-State, however miraculous it was, in the 1st Round of the Big 12 Tourney..

CU is IN!!!

As for one other team on the list, Alabama, they better pray Ohio State loses today.. But even if the Buckeyes do lose to Illinois, the Tide still may not get in..

If Alabama or Tennessee gets in and Southern Illinois or Butler does not, that will be a complete injustice..

By the way Troy, how about those CSU Rams? Have CU and CSU ever both made the Tourney in the same season? Wow!!

Radii · 03-16-2003, 01:52 PM

Alabama... In or Out? Not a chance
Butler? Hopefully in, but I could see them getting dropped out still
Seton Hall? I don't think they're even close to in at this point
Gonzaga? I think they're a lock
Southern Illinois? Deserve to be in, hopefully the mid-majors get a little love
Colorado? Not on the bubble IMO, they're in
Tennessee? Out

Texas Tech is out hopefully. 6-10 in conference is a lot to overcome, an upset of Texas I don't think is enough to make it. I also hate Bob Knight so my emotions are guiding me here

henry296 · 03-16-2003, 04:46 PM

Here is my guess.

Based on what I see 5/7 of will be in.

Bama - no
butler - in
seton hall - no
gonzaga - in
s. ill - in
Colorado - in
tennessee - in
texas tech - in, they are my last team in with Seton Hall my last team out.

Todd

illinifan999 · 03-16-2003, 04:54 PM

Alabama- no
Butler-in
Seton Hall-out
Gonzaga-out
Southern Illinois-in
Colorado-in
Tennessee-out
Texas Tech-out

henry296 · 03-16-2003, 04:54 PM

I think I am going to change my mind. I looked again at Tennesse's schedule and they really don't have a great win. They are now out and Seton Hall is in because of their wins over Pitt and Notre Dame. In my opinion, it wouldn't surprise me if Alabama got in over Seton Hall.

Alabama and Texas Tech are very similar, great wins and bad losses. Texas Tech wins have come later than Alabama's and that might be the difference.

Todd

kcchief19 · 03-16-2003, 05:43 PM

Butler, Gonzaga and SIU should be in. If they aren't, then the committee did not do a good job.

I think Colorado is in despite the road record. No 9-7 Big XII team has ever missed, they won 20 games and they have some big wins on the resume.

Despite their tourney run, I put Tech out. 6-10 conference record is not good enough. No one with a losing conference record should make the tourney at-large.

You could argue (like Digger Phelps) that the SEC deserves only four bids based on the late season collapse of teams like Tennessee and Auburn. I think they will get five based on reputation. After the first few locks, put 'em in hat and draw the last one in out of it.

The conference record looks good for the six Big Least teams. Frankly, the mid-majors above need to be in before Seton Hall or BC get in.

The toughest call for me will be how many Big 10 teams get in. Once again, I think it was a down year for the Big 10, but logic would suggest the top 5 would get in. Will 20 wins be enough for Indiana? Personally, I'd rather seem them visit Lubbock in the second round of the NIT.

I can't imagine Ohio State's run was enough to get in, but I suppose stranger things have happened.

I think NC State won themselves in. I would hope that would take a spot from the SEC or the Big 10 rather than taking a spot from a mid-major. UNLV is another bubble team. I want Coach Spoon to make it!

illinifan999 · 03-16-2003, 05:53 PM

Too bad that Michigan had to do so good, but be suspended from the post-season.

henry296 · 03-16-2003, 06:13 PM

I messed up and forgot LSU in my projections, so one more of my in teams will be out.

Todd

TroyF · 03-16-2003, 06:21 PM

Myles,

It's stunning to see both CU and CSU in the tournament at the same time in Men's basketball. I'm sure it's happened sometime before, but I can't ever remember it.

I have mixed emotions on CU. I don't think there is any question they deserve a bid based off of the NCAA criteria. I also don't think there is any question they couldn't beat Michigan St. and give Florida everything they could handle IF they show up.

Sadly, they don't show up away from the events center all that often. I still think they are horrificly coached (IMO, Lavin would be a step up from Patten) and also think that this bubble business should have been taken care of LONG ago. If you are good enough to knock off 4 top 25 teams at home (and lost to Georgia at home on a last second banked 3 pointer), you shouldn't be getting your ass handed to you by Nebraska and Kansas St. on the road. Inexcuseable.

I'm excited to see the two local teams in the tourney. It'll make for a fun week, even if both are gone by this time next weekend.

TroyF

illinifan999 · 03-16-2003, 06:45 PM

Wow, and double wow. Some of the teams taht got in.......Wow.

Radii · 03-16-2003, 07:21 PM

Alabama... heh.

lynchjm24 · 03-16-2003, 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by lynchjm24
Bama - In
Butler - In
Hall - Out
Gonzaga - In
SIU - In
Colorado - In
Tennesee - Out
Tech - Out

For once I can say I was right

.

TroyF · 03-16-2003, 07:43 PM

Good calls Jim. I only missed on Butler, but am VERY happy I was wrong.

I didn't think Auburn deserved a bid. I also CANNOT understand why in the hell you put Kentucky and Arizona on the same side of the bracket. Pathetic.

Overall, they did a pretty good job though.

TroyF

BishopMVP · 03-16-2003, 07:53 PM

Putting UK and Arizona on the same side is reminiscent of putting UK and UMass on the same side back in 1996. Why?

lynchjm24 · 03-16-2003, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by TroyF
Good calls Jim. I only missed on Butler, but am VERY happy I was wrong.

I didn't think Auburn deserved a bid. I also CANNOT understand why in the hell you put Kentucky and Arizona on the same side of the bracket. Pathetic.

Overall, they did a pretty good job though.

TroyF

The one team I would take out is Auburn. I was a little suprised BC wasn't in. While I think Texas Tech is a little better then these teams - it's hard to ignore 6-10 in conference.

03-16-2003, 01:11 PM	#7
MylesKnight College Benchwarmer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Neptune Beach, Florida	I would have to think Colorado has to be in at this point, especially after Texas Tech lost to OU yesterday. The Buffs finished three games ahead of TT in the Big 12 (CU 9-7, TT 6-10) and as you mentioned Troy, knocked off a couple of the country's Heavyweights in the process. Now, if they would've lost to Baylor and gone 0 for the Conference on the Road, I don't know if you could've taken them. But hey, they did win that game and they managed to knock off K-State, however miraculous it was, in the 1st Round of the Big 12 Tourney.. CU is IN!!! As for one other team on the list, Alabama, they better pray Ohio State loses today.. But even if the Buckeyes do lose to Illinois, the Tide still may not get in.. If Alabama or Tennessee gets in and Southern Illinois or Butler does not, that will be a complete injustice.. By the way Troy, how about those CSU Rams? Have CU and CSU ever both made the Tourney in the same season? Wow!! __________________ IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BLACK & GOLD!! Last edited by MylesKnight : 03-16-2003 at 01:12 PM.

03-16-2003, 04:46 PM	#9
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Here is my guess. Based on what I see 5/7 of will be in. Bama - no butler - in seton hall - no gonzaga - in s. ill - in Colorado - in tennessee - in texas tech - in, they are my last team in with Seton Hall my last team out. Todd __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

03-16-2003, 04:54 PM	#10
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Alabama- no Butler-in Seton Hall-out Gonzaga-out Southern Illinois-in Colorado-in Tennessee-out Texas Tech-out __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

03-16-2003, 04:54 PM	#11
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I think I am going to change my mind. I looked again at Tennesse's schedule and they really don't have a great win. They are now out and Seton Hall is in because of their wins over Pitt and Notre Dame. In my opinion, it wouldn't surprise me if Alabama got in over Seton Hall. Alabama and Texas Tech are very similar, great wins and bad losses. Texas Tech wins have come later than Alabama's and that might be the difference. Todd __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

03-16-2003, 05:53 PM	#13
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Too bad that Michigan had to do so good, but be suspended from the post-season. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

03-16-2003, 04:03 AM	#2
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Alabama - In Butler - Should be in, but I'm guessing they'll be out Seton Hall - Out Gonzaga - In Southern Illinois - In Colorado - Should be out. . . but they'll be in Tennessee - Out TroyF

03-16-2003, 06:14 AM	#3
IMetTrentGreen College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Austin, Texas	alabama - not a chance butler - Probably not seton hall - out gonzaga - in siu - in, barely colorado - 0-8 on the road in conference play, out tennessee - i don't know texas tech - out, barely

03-16-2003, 09:50 AM	#4
lynchjm24 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hartford	Bama - In Butler - In Hall - Out Gonzaga - In SIU - In Colorado - In Tennesee - Out Tech - Out

03-16-2003, 10:23 AM	#5
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	For the record, Colorado went 1-7 in the Big12 on the road. I guess you could say the Baylor win didn't count, but it does. I agree, they shouldn't be in the tourney. Not with that road record. It's the same reason Nebraska shouldn't have played in the national title game against Miami a couple of years ago in football. Winning on the road means something. If you can't do it, you don't belong with the elite. Having said that, CU won 20 games. They beat 2 of the top 5 teams in the country. Added wins against Missouri and Oklahoma State and ended up 9-7 in the conference most people rate the #1 or #2 conference in the country. I'd be surprised if they didn't get in the dance. (very happily surprised, because I'd much rather see a team like Butler make it over CU) TroyF

03-16-2003, 01:52 PM	#8
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Alabama... In or Out? Not a chance Butler? Hopefully in, but I could see them getting dropped out still Seton Hall? I don't think they're even close to in at this point Gonzaga? I think they're a lock Southern Illinois? Deserve to be in, hopefully the mid-majors get a little love Colorado? Not on the bubble IMO, they're in Tennessee? Out Texas Tech is out hopefully. 6-10 in conference is a lot to overcome, an upset of Texas I don't think is enough to make it. I also hate Bob Knight so my emotions are guiding me here

03-16-2003, 05:43 PM	#12
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	Butler, Gonzaga and SIU should be in. If they aren't, then the committee did not do a good job. I think Colorado is in despite the road record. No 9-7 Big XII team has ever missed, they won 20 games and they have some big wins on the resume. Despite their tourney run, I put Tech out. 6-10 conference record is not good enough. No one with a losing conference record should make the tourney at-large. You could argue (like Digger Phelps) that the SEC deserves only four bids based on the late season collapse of teams like Tennessee and Auburn. I think they will get five based on reputation. After the first few locks, put 'em in hat and draw the last one in out of it. The conference record looks good for the six Big Least teams. Frankly, the mid-majors above need to be in before Seton Hall or BC get in. The toughest call for me will be how many Big 10 teams get in. Once again, I think it was a down year for the Big 10, but logic would suggest the top 5 would get in. Will 20 wins be enough for Indiana? Personally, I'd rather seem them visit Lubbock in the second round of the NIT. I can't imagine Ohio State's run was enough to get in, but I suppose stranger things have happened. I think NC State won themselves in. I would hope that would take a spot from the SEC or the Big 10 rather than taking a spot from a mid-major. UNLV is another bubble team. I want Coach Spoon to make it!

03-16-2003, 06:13 PM	#14
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I messed up and forgot LSU in my projections, so one more of my in teams will be out. Todd __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

03-16-2003, 06:21 PM	#15
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Myles, It's stunning to see both CU and CSU in the tournament at the same time in Men's basketball. I'm sure it's happened sometime before, but I can't ever remember it. I have mixed emotions on CU. I don't think there is any question they deserve a bid based off of the NCAA criteria. I also don't think there is any question they couldn't beat Michigan St. and give Florida everything they could handle IF they show up. Sadly, they don't show up away from the events center all that often. I still think they are horrificly coached (IMO, Lavin would be a step up from Patten) and also think that this bubble business should have been taken care of LONG ago. If you are good enough to knock off 4 top 25 teams at home (and lost to Georgia at home on a last second banked 3 pointer), you shouldn't be getting your ass handed to you by Nebraska and Kansas St. on the road. Inexcuseable. I'm excited to see the two local teams in the tourney. It'll make for a fun week, even if both are gone by this time next weekend. TroyF

03-16-2003, 06:45 PM	#16
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Wow, and double wow. Some of the teams taht got in.......Wow. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

03-16-2003, 07:21 PM	#17
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Alabama... heh.

03-16-2003, 07:43 PM	#19
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Good calls Jim. I only missed on Butler, but am VERY happy I was wrong. I didn't think Auburn deserved a bid. I also CANNOT understand why in the hell you put Kentucky and Arizona on the same side of the bracket. Pathetic. Overall, they did a pretty good job though. TroyF

03-16-2003, 07:53 PM	#20
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Putting UK and Arizona on the same side is reminiscent of putting UK and UMass on the same side back in 1996. Why?

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