The Mighty Eighth B-17 Interactive Dynasty

Airhog · 11-11-2003, 08:29 PM

I have been contemplating doing an interactive dynasty for some time. I have always enjoyed flying in this game, but the squadron commander is just not in depth enough for me. Part of this reason is a lack of interaction with the success of the bombing campaign and the campaign mode. So i think that I can use the interaction between forum members and myself to help create a more realistic environment.

My role in this game will be the part of squadron commander. I will narrate the current situation and provide the information needed for the plane commanders to make their decisions. I will fly the missions etc. I will also compute the points, more on this feature later.

Your role in this game will be the part of Flight Crew leader. You will make all decisions regarding your plane pre-flight and post-flight. However since this game is real time you will not be able to make any decisions in flight. I will mainly use the AI to control the planes most of the time. There are some problems with doing it this way, but I cannot control all 6 planes all the time. The AI usually does a decent job, but if your plane gets shot up and loses 2 of your engines you will probably not make it back. I wish that I could change this in some way, but it would be unfair for me to manually fly one plane back, and let the others go down.

There will be some key decisions that you will make. You will volunteer for missions, decide which parts to fix, etc.

Now this is all standard stuff so far, but I have one other twist. I have decided to also make this a sort of competition in an indirect sense. I will award points to each plane based on several stats likes enemy planes shot down, crewmembers killed, etc. It will be a players job to try and amass the most points possible. Of course alot of it is upto the AI, but the players will be able to take on missions, and some missions will be worth more, of course they will also be alot harder to complete. I havent finalized the points system yet, but will finish it before we start.

B-17 2 allows for 12 planes to be kept. So the first 12 people to sign up will be picked, all the rest will go on a waiting list. I dont think you will have to wait long though.
I can do custom names to begin with, but i can only change the original 12 planes, I cant change them after they begin. Players will be able to name their plane, however the crews will be random. Each mission will have a maximum of 6 planes. However missions that involve less planes are possible, even missions with just one plane.

We will start out in december 1943. Which division and group will be left up to the users, this really doesnt have much bearing except for where are airfield is located.

401st division Includes the 612th thru the 615th group. 306th Division includes the 367th to 369th and the 423rd. 381st division includes the 532nd to the 535th group. and the 92nd division includes the 325th to 327th and the 407th group. When you signup please include your division and group preference if any.Otherwise I will simply select one for us. Once I have enough volunteers we will begin. I will post the points shortly.

Also provide me with the name of your plane.

Points

Difficulty 1x-3x Modifier

Completion of mission 5 Points

Succes of bombing

Miss 0 points
Low damage 1 point
Medium damage 2 points
High damage 3 points
Destroyed 4 points

Special Missions 10 points max

Killed crewmen -3 points each

Enemy Aircraft killed 2 points each

Let me know if there are any you can think of before we start

Qwikshot · 11-11-2003, 08:30 PM

Yo

Cloudsplitter

sachmo71 · 11-11-2003, 08:38 PM

I would love to join.

"The Four Horsemen" ride against the Nazi horde!!!

I vote for the "Incredible 306th"!

Coffee Warlord · 11-11-2003, 08:42 PM

"Rust Bucket" ready for action!

JeeberD · 11-11-2003, 08:48 PM

"The Flying Plantain" wants to see some action!

Nyarlahotep · 11-11-2003, 09:35 PM

"Crawling Chaos" reporting.

I'm with sachmo71 in voting for "The Reich Wreckers" and would prefer the 369th squadron in hopes that their luck from 1943 will carry over to us.

Tasan · 11-11-2003, 10:36 PM

"The Mighty Madness" reporting for duty.

Anyone remember who was running the pen and paper bomber game? That sure was fun too.

Archer219 · 11-11-2003, 11:04 PM

I'm in.

"The Stormbringer" is ready for action.

Godzilla Blitz · 11-11-2003, 11:19 PM

Airhog: Great idea! I'd love to be in, but life is too hectic right now for me to keep up regularly. I'll be reading, though! Good luck!

tucker342 · 11-11-2003, 11:54 PM

"Hitler Sucks" - aren't I original

I don't really have a preference

MrBug708 · 11-12-2003, 12:29 AM

Pick me Pick me!

TommyKnocker is ready!

GoldenEagle · 11-12-2003, 12:31 AM

I am game. My call sign will be "Golden Bomber".

mckerney · 11-12-2003, 12:41 AM

Square Root of Snoopy fleet ready to go, with captain MC² on the lead.

Airhog · 11-12-2003, 02:37 AM

Okay since we have more than six we can go ahead and run a mission soon. Here is the rest of the information.

We are almost ready to begin here. Just a few more notes before I forget. I have the game set to navigate flawlessly, I never liked having to navigate. Ammo is set to unlimited since I like to shoot at the planes from time to time. I have also installed an unoffical patch which makes the casulty rate more in line with the real war. It also changes a few other things but these are unimportant to you guys. The causulty rate was a bit high on the severe injuries, and deaths. This patch tones it down a bit, but makes slight injuries more common, and also makes the chance of instant kills possible, which wasnt possible before.

I have decided to only intervene in the proceedings in the case of an emergency, like bandaging the wounded, etc.Most of the stuff I will leave upto the cpu. I think its more interesting when im not controlling the bomb site. I can usually hit spot on with the simplistic site. This also means that I will probably use the plane with the most experienced bombadier as the lead plane. The lead plane actually drops the bombs, all the rest of the planes just drop when they get a signal. This is an incentive to the longer lasting planes, since your crew will gain experience and can improve their skills.

I would like your input on the scoring system. I do think its pretty fair, but im not sure if there are other things I missed that could easily be added. I might add a bonus for medals, and maybe a small bonus for the lead plane.

As for the actual campaign, I dont really plan to adhere to history very accurately. I'm pretty sure that d-day will happen as planned and the war will end if we make it that far. But everything in between will be mostly made up. I think that targets slowly disappear to simulate the forces liberating the countries, but im not certain. If they dont then I will create an imaginary line loosely based on history to select targets.

Current Roster

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Member list

Name		Plane			Missions Flown	Kills	Crewmen Killed	Points	Status

Qwikshot	Cloudsplitter		0		0	0		0	Active
Sachmo71	The Four Horsemen	0		0	0		0	Active
Coffee Warlord	Rust Bucket		0		0	0		0	Active
JeeberD		The Flying Plantain	0		0	0		0	Active
Nyarlahotep	Crawling Chaos		0		0	0		0	Active
Tasan		The Mighty Madness	0		0	0		0	Active
Archer219	The Stormbringer	0		0	0		0	Active
Tucker342	Hitler Sucks		0		0	0		0	Active
Mrbug708	TommyKnocker		0		0	0		0	Active
GoldenEagle	Golden Bomber		0		0	0		0	Active
Mckerney	Square Root of Snoopy	0		0	0		0	Active

Nyarlahotep · 11-12-2003, 02:41 AM

I don't think there should be points for lead plane if crews are random.

Breeze · 11-12-2003, 06:36 AM

I counted 11 in....if I'm right I'd like to be the 12th.

Wind Dancer

WSUCougar · 11-12-2003, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Godzilla Blitz
Airhog: Great idea! I'd love to be in, but life is too hectic right now for me to keep up regularly. I'll be reading, though! Good luck!

Me too. Good luck, gentlemen.

Fond memories of my old B-17 board-game dynasty.

MrBug708 · 11-12-2003, 11:10 AM

And your old B-17 dynasty

Airhog · 11-12-2003, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep I don't think there should be points for lead plane if crews are random.

The crews are only randomized to begin with. you crew will only change when someone is injured and not able to fly or is killed. Crew members will also gain experience. But I do see your point, and Now that I have a chance to think about it you may be right, especially since the Lead plane will usually be the crew with the best bombadier.

Quote:

Originally posted by Breeze
I counted 11 in....if I'm right I'd like to be the 12th.

Wind Dancer

Okay, and if anyone else wants to join, it will work alot like the X-com dynasty. There will be a waiting list, and once a slot opens up you will have a plane.

The Afoci · 11-12-2003, 01:32 PM

I will be in. The Flying Crawfish.

Airhog · 11-12-2003, 02:28 PM

Afoci: you are our first reserve. Once somone loses their plane you will added to the game.

RendeR · 11-12-2003, 03:01 PM

Sign me up as a reserve as well the "Ragin Cajun" is ready and waiting!

Airhog · 11-12-2003, 03:25 PM

Render: Your on the list. One last question for everyone. Do you think we should retire planes after they complete a successfull tour? (25 missions). Or should they stay in the group as long as possible? Im thinking that if we retire them, it might give a bit more turnaround. However I think we will probably lose on average 1 plane every mission, which should be enough to allow everyone a chance to participate.

Coffee Warlord · 11-12-2003, 03:28 PM

Absolutely. You survive the 25, you retire. Maybe any Captains that make it get to be appointed as advisors to the Squadron Commander or something.

Airhog · 11-12-2003, 03:33 PM

Thats a good idea coffee warlord. I can always use help thinking up ideas. Also, In order to keep the game moving, I am thinking about a 24-hour time limit on mission acceptance. This will allow me to fly one mission a night. If I dont have enough volunteers for a mission, then I can just randomly pick those planes with the least amount of missions completed.

Nyarlahotep · 11-12-2003, 03:39 PM

I have to disagree here. If we are likely to lose a plane per mission, I would like to see how far people can get. If there is a backlog of replacements waiting in the wings when (if) we start having planes hit 25 missions, then fine retire 'em, otherwise see what they can do.

tucker342 · 11-12-2003, 03:44 PM

I agree with Nyarlahotep

Coffee Warlord · 11-12-2003, 04:17 PM

Perhaps if we get someone to 25, we give them an option?

Be promoted and placed as advisor to the command staff, or sign up for a 2nd tour of duty, to make a run on 50.

Edit: Obviously, one could weigh this decision based on both the size of the waiting list and personal preference.

Airhog · 11-12-2003, 05:10 PM

well thats something we dont have to worry about for now. I am also thinking that I will add a few more things. I may include some missions that are not volunteer, due to the their difficulty and such. Also Im thinking about doing around 1-2 special missions during each game month. Anyways, here is the first mission. There will be several easier missions like this to begin with, so that i can get used to flying again, and to get all of the bugs worked out. Just a reminder, but it might be difficult for you to fly many back to back missions. It really depends on how damaged your plane is. I will try to give each planes damage rating after the mission, and it will be up to the commanders to decide what to fix, and to send it back up again so soon, or fix everything.

Operation Overcoat

November 28th

Welcome to Thurleigh and the home of the 369th Heavy Bomber Group. In a few days the first b-17's will fly over german soil as we being the long road to liberation. Olny hard work, courage and dedication will see us through these difficult times. I wont lie to you, but most of you will not make it home alive. However, without your service this war will not be won.
We have recieve orders from high command to being Operation Overcoat. The first phase of Operation overcoat is too remove the threat of the V-1 rockets and drone bombs the germans have been attacking England with. We have located several facilities that produce the weapons, and Hopefully we can stop the bombings. Most of the missions will be conducter over france for the time being. This will give our crews time to gain experience before we penetrate deep into the heart of the Reich.

Here are the first mission details

Primary Target: Watten Special Weapons Site
Secondary Target: Wizennes Special Weapons Site
Flak Strength: Low
Fighter Strength: Low
Mission Difficulty: 1x
Planes needed: 6

First come first serve boys.

mckerney · 11-12-2003, 05:31 PM

MC² here, the Square Root of Snoopy will be ready to fly for ya.

MrBug708 · 11-12-2003, 05:32 PM

I'll take the tail

Nyarlahotep · 11-12-2003, 05:46 PM

Count me in!!

Coffee Warlord · 11-12-2003, 05:56 PM

We're in!

Airhog · 11-12-2003, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBug708
I'll take the tail

bomber wings usually fly in the echelon formation. the tail would be one of the back left or back right spots. Im not sure if I can set who goes where in the formation other than the lead bomber. If so I might just award a few extra points for being in the deadliest part of the formation.

Qwikshot · 11-12-2003, 06:33 PM

I'm in, put me wherever...Cloudsplitter is ready.

Breeze · 11-12-2003, 08:02 PM

I hate counting...I'm so bad at it...but I think 5 are signed up. We'll be the sixth.

Nyarlahotep · 11-12-2003, 08:34 PM

Woohoo!!!! Now we can start. Do we get to find out about our crews now?

Tasan · 11-12-2003, 09:20 PM

Put me in coach, I'm ready to play.

mckerney · 11-12-2003, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tasan
Put me in coach, I'm ready to play.

Sit down.
Coach, you need one more.
My team is on the floor.

Archer219 · 11-12-2003, 11:36 PM

Well, thats what studing for a dif eqs test gets me, I miss out on the first mission. My crew will be with you guys in spirit.

Good luck and godspeed.

Airhog · 11-13-2003, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
Woohoo!!!! Now we can start. Do we get to find out about our crews now?

Ill try to post the crews before the first mission update. It is a bit time consuming, because the inteface is a bit clunky.

JeeberD · 11-13-2003, 12:16 AM

Dammit, I hate work.

I got dibs on the next mission...

Airhog · 11-13-2003, 02:34 AM

JeeberD: okay, luckily after these first missions we should settle down into a routine. most planes will not be ready to fly two missions in a row, so it will make it that much easier

sachmo71 · 11-13-2003, 07:42 AM

So it's going to be first come, first serve for every mission? Looks like I won't be flying much...

Nyarlahotep · 11-13-2003, 12:09 PM

You will be able to get in when other planes get stuck making repairs.

Airhog · 11-13-2003, 12:56 PM

scahmo71: and not every mission will be on a volunteer basis. I will do my best to try and keep everyone invovled in the flying.

tucker342 · 11-13-2003, 07:32 PM

Damn, missed out on the chance to volunteer... oh well. Good luck everyone!

Airhog · 11-14-2003, 02:27 PM

Okay, I finally got finished typing up the 120 crewmen and their stats. I will definately fly the mission this evening.

The key for this is as follow M/S=Married Single Pos=Position(B=bombadier, N=Navigator, P=Pilot, CP=Co-Pilot, TTG=Top turret Gunner, RO=Radio Operator, LWG=Left Waist Gunner, RWG=Right Waist Gunner, TG=Turret Gunner) G=Gunner Stat, P=Pilot Stat B=Bombadier Stat, N=Navigator Stat, FA=First Aid Stat, T=Technical Stat

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Crew List		M/S	Pos	G	P	B	N	FA	T	Med	Miss	INJ	   
Cloudsplitter												   
												   
Paul J Whitley		M	B	3	1	4	2	3	3	0	0	0
Rob W. Trojborg		S	N	1	2	3	3	4	2	0	0	0	   
Jack M. Shave		M	P	2	2	1	3	3	4	0	0	0	   
Tom M. Buzzbee		M	CP	2	3	1	1	3	4	0	0	0	   
Sean T. Schantz		S	TTG	3	1	0	1	2	4	0	0	0	   
Mariano S. Kavanagh	S	RO	3	0	1	1	3	3	0	0	0	   
Roy P. Russel		M	BTG	3	0	0	0	3	1	0	0	0	   
Mark F. Fish		S	LWG	3	0	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	   
Mark M. Manktelow	S	RWG	2	0	0	0	2	1	0	0	0	   
Chris G. Mercer		M	TG	3	0	0	0	2	1	0	0	0	   
											0	   
The Four Horsemen												   
												   
Jack D. Shue		S	B	2	1	3	2	1	3	0	0	0	   
James J Juliana		M	N	2	1	2	4	3	3	0	0	0	   
Bruce E. Burger		M	P	2	4	1	3	3	3	0	0	0	   
Albert B. Ahles		M	CP	2	3	1	3	3	3	0	0	0	   
Hugh S. Thornell	S	TTG	3	1	0	1	1	3	0	0	0	   
Mike G. Ahola		M	RO	2	0	1	1	5	3	0	0	0	   
Harold R. Depperschmidt	S	BTG	4	0	0	0	3	1	0	0	0	   
Martin M. Sherman	S	LWG	3	0	0	0	4	2	0	0	0	   
Gary R. Bishop		S	RWG	4	0	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	   
Dale C. Robertson	S	TG	3	0	0	0	2	1	0	0	0	   
											0	   
Rust Bucket												   
												   
Oscar P. Grund		S	B	2	2	5	2	3	3	0	0	0	   
Tony J. Charbonneau	S	N	2	1	2	4	2	3	0	0	0	   
Jacob G. Federicci	S	P	2	5	1	1	2	3	0	0	0	   
Martin M. Guidi		S	CP	2	3	1	2	2	3	0	0	0	   
Mike W. Compton		M	TTG	2	0	1	2	3	4	0	0	0	   
Mason A. McBurney	S	RO	2	0	1	1	4	3	0	0	0	   
Henricus P. Sullivan	S	BTG	3	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
Paul D. Battles		S	LWG	2	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
Roy J. Vollmer		S	RWG	3	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
Jay J. Meyer		M	TG	3	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
											0	   
The Flying Plantain												   
												   
George Spencer		S	B	3	1	4	1	1	4	0	0	0	   
Rob M. Thornell		S	N	1	2	2	3	2	2	0	0	0	   
Gary G. Rose		M	P	2	3	1	2	2	3	0	0	0	   
Marcus M. Lahdesmaki	S	CP	2	3	1	2	3	3	0	0	0	   
Brain M. Bruijn		S	TTG	5	1	0	1	1	4	0	0	0	   
Christopher J Van Buren	S	RO	3	0	1	1	3	2	0	0	0	   
Joe Rihall		S	BTG	3	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
James J. Patterson	S	LWG	3	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
Jefferey J. Schmidt	S	RWG	3	0	0	0	1	2	0	0	0	   
Michael H. Free		S	TG	3	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
											0	   
Crawling Chaos												   
												   
Lister M. Van Meeteren	S	B	3	2	2	1	2	4	0	0	0	   
Eddie M. Dunbar		S	N	1	1	2	5	2	2	0	0	0	   
Joel I. Savas		M	P	2	3	1	2	2	3	0	0	0	   
Carl. S. Fatzinger	S	CP	2	3	1	2	3	3	0	0	0	   
Pete J. Bode		S	TTG	4	1	0	1	3	4	0	0	0	   
Bob R. Johnson		S	RO	3	0	1	1	4	3	0	0	0	   
George M. Schimdt	S	BTG	3	0	0	0	4	2	0	0	0	   
Matthew H. Ogde		M	LWG	3	0	0	0	3	1	0	0	0	   
Jim R. Goldman		S	RWG	3	0	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	   
Mark M. Nabalowski	M	TG	3	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
											0	   
The Mighty Madness												   
												   
Rune P. Wesberg		S	B	3	2	4	1	3	3	0	0	0	   
Terry K. Poiters	S	N	2	1	2	4	3	2	0	0	0	   
Thomas H. Zurawski	S	P	1	3	1	3	2	3	0	0	0	   
Mark H Seagrams		M	CP	1	3	1	2	3	3	0	0	0	   
David O. Miller		S	TTG	4	1	0	1	4	5	0	0	0	   
Colin W. Schub		S	RO	3	0	1	1	3	3	0	0	0	   
Rich A. Clark		S	BTG	3	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
Robert A. Sullivan	M	LWG	3	0	0	0	2	1	0	0	0	   
Martin R. Schafer	S	RWG	2	0	0	0	1	2	0	0	0	   
John M. Hitchens	S	TG	2	0	0	0	4	2	0	0	0	   
											0	   
The Stormbringer												   
												   
David F. Smiley		S	B	3	1	5	1	2	2	0	0	0	   
Dirk G. Yoder		S	N	1	1	2	4	2	2	0	0	0	   
Sean C. Blahusch	M	P	1	3	3	3	3	3	0	0	0	   
Lister C. Whitley	M	CP	1	3	1	2	3	3	0	0	0	   
John. F. Kuenzle	S	TTG	2	1	0	1	2	4	0	0	0	   
Roger C. Compton	S	RO	2	0	1	1	3	2	0	0	0	   
Mike E. Kunzle		S	BTG	3	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
David B. Smeck		S	LWG	3	0	0	0	1	2	0	0	0	   
Albert G. De Coninch	S	RWG	3	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
Gary V. Fajer		S	TG	3	0	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	   
											0	   
Hitler Sucks												   
												   
Paul A. Grubach		S	B	2	1	4	1	3	3	0	0	0	   
Michael P. Pitlanen	S	N	2	2	2	3	3	2	0	0	0	   
Brad J. Shave		M	P	2	3	1	3	3	3	0	0	0	   
Tommy M Still		M	CP	2	3	1	2	2	4	0	0	0	   
Brian C. Niedierher	M	TTG	3	1	0	1	2	3	0	0	0	   
Geoffrey R. Sheeran	M	RO	2	0	1	1	3	3	0	0	0	   
Ken M. Hidebrandt	S	BTG	3	0	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	   
Sean J. Haugan		S	LWG	3	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
Richard R. Schafer	S	RWG	3	0	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	   
Dave R. Contini		S	TG	3	0	0	0	4	1	0	0	0	   
											0	   
TommyKnocker												   
												   
Steve M Lander		S	B	2	2	3	1	3	2	0	0	0	   
Brian M. Tsirahoglov	S	N	1	2	2	3	2	2	0	0	0	   
Matteo B. Lieberman	S	P	2	3	1	2	2	3	0	0	0	   
Mason M. Drumm		S	CP	1	3	1	2	3	3	0	0	0	   
Charles. F. Ralls	S	TTG	5	1	0	1	4	4	0	0	0	   
Robert M. Bacon		S	RO	3	0	1	1	4	3	0	0	0	   
Mike R. Sheeran		S	BTG	2	0	0	0	3	1	0	0	0	   
Graham M Nabahowski	S	LWG	3	0	0	0	4	2	0	0	0	   
Andy L Schulb		S	RWG	3	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
John H. Salami		S	TG	3	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
											0	   
Golden Bomber												   
												   
Robb A. Robbins		S	B	1	1	4	1	3	3	0	0	0	   
Harold C. Bergh		S	N	1	2	2	4	2	2	0	0	0	   
Rune A. Fletcher	S	P	1	5	1	3	3	3	0	0	0	   
Michael N Contini	S	CP	2	3	1	2	4	3	0	0	0	   
Soloman D. Katzmann	M	TTG	3	1	0	2	4	4	0	0	0	   
Edward D. Graves	S	RO	1	0	1	2	4	3	0	0	0	   
Frank T. Zurawaski	S	BTG	2	0	0	0	3	1	0	0	0	   
Joseph J. Shu		S	LWG	3	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
John M Reeves		S	RWG	3	0	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	   
Bill W. Freeman		S	TG	3	0	0	0	1	2	0	0	0	   
											0	   
Square Root of Snoopy												   
												   
George T. Parekh	S	B	2	1	3	2	3	3	0	0	0	   
Alvin L. Geenwald	M	N	1	2	2	2	2	2	0	0	0	   
Allan J. Palmer		M	P	2	4	1	3	1	3	0	0	0	   
Herman M. Drumm		S	CP	2	3	1	1	3	3	0	0	0	   
Rich A. Connelli	S	TTG	4	1	0	1	2	3	0	0	0	   
Phillip R. Taylor	S	RO	2	0	1	1	3	3	0	0	0	   
Joseph M Ralls		S	BTG	3	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
Arizsun A. Vossum	S	LWG	2	0	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	   
Wilbert Beazley		S	RWG	3	0	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	   
Albert S. Dwelle	S	TG	2	0	0	0	1	1	0	0	0	   
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Wind Dancer												   
												   
Derek K. Woodward	M	B	4	1	4	1	2	2	0	0	0	   
Mark J. Meyer		S	N	2	1	3	4	3	1	0	0	0	   
John M. Hicens		S	P	2	3	1	3	1	3	0	0	0	   
Chris M. Thompson	S	CP	2	4	1	2	3	3	0	0	0	   
Joel G. Blahusch	S	TTG	2	1	0	1	2	4	0	0	0	   
Fredrik P. Malmquist	S	RO	3	0	1	1	4	3	0	0	0	   
Bjorn D. Yoer		S	BTG	3	0	0	0	4	1	0	0	0	   
Tim P. Pesonen		S	LWG	4	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	   
Roland X. Mohn	S	RWG	3	0	0	0	4	2	0	0	0	   
Vincent E. Lahdesmaki	M	TG	3	0	0	0	4	2	0	0	0	   
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Leaderboard												   
												   
												   
Gunner		Brain M. Bruijn	Charles. F. Ralls										
Pilot		Jacob G. Federicci	Rune A. Fletcher								  
Bombadier	Oscar P. Grund	David F. Smiley										   
Navigator	Eddie M. Dunbar											   
First Aid	Mike G. Ahola											   
Technical	David O. Miller											   
Best Overall Person	Oscar P. Grund											   
Best Overall Plane	WindDancer											   
Worst Overall Person	Albert S. Dwelle											
Worst Overall Plane	Square Root of Snoopy

Coffee Warlord · 11-14-2003, 02:57 PM

Jacob G. Federicci, Cap'n of the Rust Bucket.

The Nazis shall tremble in fear, for we have the Mafia on our side!

Nyarlahotep · 11-14-2003, 03:13 PM

Yeah, the Nazis were pretty afraid of Italians in WWII.

11-11-2003, 08:30 PM	#2
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	Yo Cloudsplitter __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams Last edited by Qwikshot : 11-11-2003 at 08:32 PM.

11-11-2003, 08:48 PM	#5
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	"The Flying Plantain" wants to see some action! __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

11-11-2003, 10:36 PM	#7
Tasan College Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houston, or there about	"The Mighty Madness" reporting for duty. Anyone remember who was running the pen and paper bomber game? That sure was fun too. __________________ 2011 Golden Scribes winner for best Interactive Dynasty

11-11-2003, 11:04 PM	#8
Archer219 Mascot Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Gilbert, Arizona	I'm in. "The Stormbringer" is ready for action. __________________ I can be as humble as the nexy guy Or I can blink and make you crumble from the inside. I can make you see the beauty of a new sun Or I can be the source of your desperation.

11-11-2003, 11:19 PM	#9
Godzilla Blitz College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Airhog: Great idea! I'd love to be in, but life is too hectic right now for me to keep up regularly. I'll be reading, though! Good luck! __________________ Current Blog Projects: Final Fantasy: Lost in Japanese Kaboom Review

11-11-2003, 08:38 PM	#3
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	I would love to join. "The Four Horsemen" ride against the Nazi horde!!! I vote for the "Incredible 306th"!

11-11-2003, 08:42 PM	#4
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	"Rust Bucket" ready for action!

11-11-2003, 09:35 PM	#6
Nyarlahotep College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003	"Crawling Chaos" reporting. I'm with sachmo71 in voting for "The Reich Wreckers" and would prefer the 369th squadron in hopes that their luck from 1943 will carry over to us.

11-11-2003, 11:54 PM	#10
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	"Hitler Sucks" - aren't I original I don't really have a preference

11-12-2003, 12:29 AM	#11
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Pick me Pick me! TommyKnocker is ready!

11-12-2003, 12:31 AM	#12
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	I am game. My call sign will be "Golden Bomber". __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

11-12-2003, 12:41 AM	#13
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Square Root of Snoopy fleet ready to go, with captain MC² on the lead.

11-12-2003, 02:37 AM	#14
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	Okay since we have more than six we can go ahead and run a mission soon. Here is the rest of the information. We are almost ready to begin here. Just a few more notes before I forget. I have the game set to navigate flawlessly, I never liked having to navigate. Ammo is set to unlimited since I like to shoot at the planes from time to time. I have also installed an unoffical patch which makes the casulty rate more in line with the real war. It also changes a few other things but these are unimportant to you guys. The causulty rate was a bit high on the severe injuries, and deaths. This patch tones it down a bit, but makes slight injuries more common, and also makes the chance of instant kills possible, which wasnt possible before. I have decided to only intervene in the proceedings in the case of an emergency, like bandaging the wounded, etc.Most of the stuff I will leave upto the cpu. I think its more interesting when im not controlling the bomb site. I can usually hit spot on with the simplistic site. This also means that I will probably use the plane with the most experienced bombadier as the lead plane. The lead plane actually drops the bombs, all the rest of the planes just drop when they get a signal. This is an incentive to the longer lasting planes, since your crew will gain experience and can improve their skills. I would like your input on the scoring system. I do think its pretty fair, but im not sure if there are other things I missed that could easily be added. I might add a bonus for medals, and maybe a small bonus for the lead plane. As for the actual campaign, I dont really plan to adhere to history very accurately. I'm pretty sure that d-day will happen as planned and the war will end if we make it that far. But everything in between will be mostly made up. I think that targets slowly disappear to simulate the forces liberating the countries, but im not certain. If they dont then I will create an imaginary line loosely based on history to select targets. Current Roster Code: Member list Name Plane Missions Flown Kills Crewmen Killed Points Status Qwikshot Cloudsplitter 0 0 0 0 Active Sachmo71 The Four Horsemen 0 0 0 0 Active Coffee Warlord Rust Bucket 0 0 0 0 Active JeeberD The Flying Plantain 0 0 0 0 Active Nyarlahotep Crawling Chaos 0 0 0 0 Active Tasan The Mighty Madness 0 0 0 0 Active Archer219 The Stormbringer 0 0 0 0 Active Tucker342 Hitler Sucks 0 0 0 0 Active Mrbug708 TommyKnocker 0 0 0 0 Active GoldenEagle Golden Bomber 0 0 0 0 Active Mckerney Square Root of Snoopy 0 0 0 0 Active __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

11-12-2003, 02:41 AM	#15
Nyarlahotep College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003	I don't think there should be points for lead plane if crews are random.

11-12-2003, 06:36 AM	#16
Breeze Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Northern Suburbs of ATL	I counted 11 in....if I'm right I'd like to be the 12th. Wind Dancer

11-12-2003, 11:10 AM	#18
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	And your old B-17 dynasty

11-12-2003, 01:32 PM	#20
The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	I will be in. The Flying Crawfish. __________________ I had something.

11-12-2003, 02:28 PM	#21
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	Afoci: you are our first reserve. Once somone loses their plane you will added to the game. __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

11-12-2003, 03:01 PM	#22
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Sign me up as a reserve as well the "Ragin Cajun" is ready and waiting! __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

11-12-2003, 03:25 PM	#23
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	Render: Your on the list. One last question for everyone. Do you think we should retire planes after they complete a successfull tour? (25 missions). Or should they stay in the group as long as possible? Im thinking that if we retire them, it might give a bit more turnaround. However I think we will probably lose on average 1 plane every mission, which should be enough to allow everyone a chance to participate. __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again! Last edited by Airhog : 11-12-2003 at 03:29 PM.

11-12-2003, 03:28 PM	#24
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Absolutely. You survive the 25, you retire. Maybe any Captains that make it get to be appointed as advisors to the Squadron Commander or something.

11-12-2003, 03:33 PM	#25
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	Thats a good idea coffee warlord. I can always use help thinking up ideas. Also, In order to keep the game moving, I am thinking about a 24-hour time limit on mission acceptance. This will allow me to fly one mission a night. If I dont have enough volunteers for a mission, then I can just randomly pick those planes with the least amount of missions completed. __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

11-12-2003, 03:39 PM	#26
Nyarlahotep College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003	I have to disagree here. If we are likely to lose a plane per mission, I would like to see how far people can get. If there is a backlog of replacements waiting in the wings when (if) we start having planes hit 25 missions, then fine retire 'em, otherwise see what they can do.

11-12-2003, 03:44 PM	#27
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	I agree with Nyarlahotep

11-12-2003, 04:17 PM	#28
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Perhaps if we get someone to 25, we give them an option? Be promoted and placed as advisor to the command staff, or sign up for a 2nd tour of duty, to make a run on 50. Edit: Obviously, one could weigh this decision based on both the size of the waiting list and personal preference. Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 11-12-2003 at 04:18 PM.

11-12-2003, 05:10 PM	#29
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	well thats something we dont have to worry about for now. I am also thinking that I will add a few more things. I may include some missions that are not volunteer, due to the their difficulty and such. Also Im thinking about doing around 1-2 special missions during each game month. Anyways, here is the first mission. There will be several easier missions like this to begin with, so that i can get used to flying again, and to get all of the bugs worked out. Just a reminder, but it might be difficult for you to fly many back to back missions. It really depends on how damaged your plane is. I will try to give each planes damage rating after the mission, and it will be up to the commanders to decide what to fix, and to send it back up again so soon, or fix everything. Operation Overcoat November 28th Welcome to Thurleigh and the home of the 369th Heavy Bomber Group. In a few days the first b-17's will fly over german soil as we being the long road to liberation. Olny hard work, courage and dedication will see us through these difficult times. I wont lie to you, but most of you will not make it home alive. However, without your service this war will not be won. We have recieve orders from high command to being Operation Overcoat. The first phase of Operation overcoat is too remove the threat of the V-1 rockets and drone bombs the germans have been attacking England with. We have located several facilities that produce the weapons, and Hopefully we can stop the bombings. Most of the missions will be conducter over france for the time being. This will give our crews time to gain experience before we penetrate deep into the heart of the Reich. Here are the first mission details Primary Target: Watten Special Weapons Site Secondary Target: Wizennes Special Weapons Site Flak Strength: Low Fighter Strength: Low Mission Difficulty: 1x Planes needed: 6 First come first serve boys. __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

11-12-2003, 05:31 PM	#30
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	MC² here, the Square Root of Snoopy will be ready to fly for ya.

11-12-2003, 05:32 PM	#31
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I'll take the tail

11-12-2003, 05:46 PM	#32
Nyarlahotep College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003	Count me in!!

11-12-2003, 05:56 PM	#33
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	We're in!

11-12-2003, 06:33 PM	#35
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	I'm in, put me wherever...Cloudsplitter is ready. __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams Last edited by Qwikshot : 11-12-2003 at 06:34 PM.

11-12-2003, 08:02 PM	#36
Breeze Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Northern Suburbs of ATL	I hate counting...I'm so bad at it...but I think 5 are signed up. We'll be the sixth.

11-12-2003, 08:34 PM	#37
Nyarlahotep College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003	Woohoo!!!! Now we can start. Do we get to find out about our crews now?

11-12-2003, 09:20 PM	#38
Tasan College Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houston, or there about	Put me in coach, I'm ready to play. __________________ 2011 Golden Scribes winner for best Interactive Dynasty

11-12-2003, 11:36 PM	#40
Archer219 Mascot Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Gilbert, Arizona	Well, thats what studing for a dif eqs test gets me, I miss out on the first mission. My crew will be with you guys in spirit. Good luck and godspeed. __________________ I can be as humble as the nexy guy Or I can blink and make you crumble from the inside. I can make you see the beauty of a new sun Or I can be the source of your desperation.