The 2010 MLB Season Thread - Page 12

samifan24 · 04-20-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr

I agree thats stupid he can serve it while on the DL. so If a guy is out for the season, why not try to take PEDs to recover faster? its not like you will miss any actual time.

Ksyrup · 04-20-2010, 02:59 PM

You lose money.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 04-20-2010, 03:01 PM

Right, but what's worth more to Volquez: the 100k he will lose, or the ability to bounce back from his injury strong, which would help pump up the value of his arbitration/first contract?

k0ruptr · 04-20-2010, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Right, but what's worth more to Volquez: the 100k he will lose, or the ability to bounce back from his injury strong, which would help pump up the value of his arbitration/first contract?

if he took PEDs in the first place I'm not sure hes smart enough to figure this out.

then again his agent/advisor might point it out to him.

molson · 04-20-2010, 03:05 PM

Nothing to see here folks, Volquez is just another innocent victim:

"I want to assure everyone that this was an isolated incident involving my genuine effort to treat a common medical issue."

gstelmack · 04-20-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Can't think it helps his career at all, considering the guys on the Mets claim he's never even been around any of the players and had no basis for this report.

It didn't hurt Tom Jackson any when he talked out of his rear about how BB had lost the Patriots' locker-room a few years back.

Logan · 04-20-2010, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Nothing to see here folks, Volquez is just another innocent victim:

"I want to assure everyone that this was an isolated incident involving my genuine effort to treat a common medical issue."

So it's all Mrs. Volquez' fault.

JPhillips · 04-20-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

but i'm saying he should have to be on the active roster at the beginning of the suspension. and shouldn't be allowed to be moved to the DL during it.

they could easily write a rule covering the spirit of what i'm saying...we don't need to get nitty-gritty about the details.

Do you really want to have teams play fifty or more games with a 24 man roster? That's okay if you do, but the owners and players would never agree to it.

I agree this plays out poorly, but I just can't think of a rule that would get passed that could stop this. Even if you want to say he has to be off the DL it's easy to remove him from the DL and let him rehab off the DL. That might cost a spot on the 40 man, but I'm not sure that he's off that right now anyway.

DaddyTorgo · 04-20-2010, 03:50 PM

No, that's not what I want.

I'm sure MLB could write the rule in such a way to avoid situations such as this. "The player must appear in one game after the issuing of the suspension before the suspension begins to take effect" being one example of a way they could word it.

JPhillips · 04-20-2010, 04:00 PM

But that's also easy to get around. If I put Volquez in LF for a batter or allowed him to pinch hit that would count as playing a game. The only way I can see this working is writing such a tough rule that the players and owners would never agree to it.

JPhillips · 04-20-2010, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Nothing to see here folks, Volquez is just another innocent victim:

"I want to assure everyone that this was an isolated incident involving my genuine effort to treat a common medical issue."

I'm still skeptical that this is anything but common PED use, but it does raise an interesting question. Should players be allowed access to common and legal infertility treatments that every other person in the US can attain?

molson · 04-20-2010, 04:04 PM

The problem is that unlike text sims, there's no obvious switch that's flipped when a player is "healthy". That's impossible to put a precise moment on.

SackAttack · 04-20-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Do you really want to have teams play fifty or more games with a 24 man roster? That's okay if you do, but the owners and players would never agree to it.

I agree this plays out poorly, but I just can't think of a rule that would get passed that could stop this. Even if you want to say he has to be off the DL it's easy to remove him from the DL and let him rehab off the DL. That might cost a spot on the 40 man, but I'm not sure that he's off that right now anyway.

If he's on the 60-day DL (which I believe he is), then yes, he's off the 40-man. But to be activated from the 60-day DL, he'd have to go back ON the 40-man, I believe.

Atocep · 04-20-2010, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

But that's also easy to get around. If I put Volquez in LF for a batter or allowed him to pinch hit that would count as playing a game. The only way I can see this working is writing such a tough rule that the players and owners would never agree to it.

This.

You can complain about how bullshit it is, but the reality is there's no way to actually enforce a 50 game suspension on an injured player in a way that isn't exploitable.

Atocep · 04-20-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

There was no reason for Davis not to be playing as soon as Daniel Murphy got hurt. He looked good in his debut, 2 for 4 with an RBI.

Davis was taken with the pick the Mets got from the Braves for Tom Glavine. Thank you Frank Wren.

Lathum · 04-20-2010, 06:56 PM

Glad to see Reyes having a nice day but I really wish he wouldn't swing out of his shoes everytime he tajes a cut. He really is the dumbest ball player I have ever seen.

stevew · 04-20-2010, 07:09 PM

well. I think charlie morton sucks. Time to go raid the scrap heap for starters. I'm all for the teardown rebuild. But I thiink you gotta do some one year type rentals. Washburn probably wants 4m. Our payroll is nothing. Fucking do something other than throw Burres out there and shrug your shoulders. Morton is Snell 2.0.

lungs · 04-20-2010, 07:21 PM

Don't worry Steve, you'll get to the Brewers bullpen eventually. Seven runs is not safe.

JonInMiddleGA · 04-20-2010, 07:44 PM

I see the Nats are at it again, down 10-0 to Colorado in the 4th, starter Olsen lasts just two innings.

stevew · 04-20-2010, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by lungs

Don't worry Steve, you'll get to the Brewers bullpen eventually. Seven runs is not safe.

we may score 7 runs total between now and saturday.

Scoobz0202 · 04-20-2010, 08:05 PM

In my head-to-head league my buddy had Billingsley and I had Pelfrey... let the shit talking start.

Now, by Friday I will probably be losing but a great start to the fantasy week.

Scoobz0202 · 04-20-2010, 08:56 PM

Fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck it.

Fuck it.

Fuck you Dusty Baker.

k0ruptr · 04-20-2010, 09:01 PM

LOL - I don't know why its funny but, the Rangers stole 9 bases off Wakefield and his knuckleball , setting a franchise record for most in a game, and most in an inning - 5, in the 3rd.

Big Fo · 04-20-2010, 09:11 PM

Glaus did something good in an important spot, very surprising.

Heyward <3

Big Fo · 04-20-2010, 09:23 PM

And McClouth wins it with a walk-off homer in the 10th. That's a nice way to start the series.

Funny stuff from the Braves in the dugout, they had all disappeared into the tunnel by the time McClouth touched home.

Easy Mac · 04-20-2010, 09:32 PM

Weird, I had just hit the send button to tweet "Wait, Jose Contreras is still alive?" at the instant that McLouth connected with the ball.

So I guess the obvious answer is "No, Jose Contreras is not actually alive."

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 04-20-2010, 09:56 PM

Sox needed that.

k0ruptr · 04-21-2010, 12:52 AM

John Danks is good.

lordscarlet · 04-21-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I see the Nats are at it again, down 10-0 to Colorado in the 4th, starter Olsen lasts just two innings.

uuuuugh

sterlingice · 04-21-2010, 01:49 PM

After today's game, Greinke drops his ERA to 3.28, which is impressive considering how uncharacteristically wild he was last game. Unfortunately, it took the bullpen a whopping 3 hitters to match his 2 base hits given up in 7 innings so that makes 2 wins already that the pen has blown for him this year.

He still isn't looking as sharp as last year. The velocity is down 1-2mph and a cause for concern after the huge workload last year. He only went 66 strikes on 109 pitches today which is still quite wild for him. Just a head's up for anyone who has him on their fantasy team.

SI

DaddyTorgo · 04-21-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

After today's game, Greinke drops his ERA to 3.28, which is impressive considering how uncharacteristically wild he was last game. Unfortunately, it took the bullpen a whopping 3 hitters to match his 2 base hits given up in 7 innings so that makes 2 wins already that the pen has blown for him this year.

He still isn't looking as sharp as last year. The velocity is down 1-2mph and a cause for concern after the huge workload last year. He only went 66 strikes on 109 pitches today which is still quite wild for him. Just a head's up for anyone who has him on their fantasy team.

SI

Fortunately I have Halladay too.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 04-21-2010, 02:07 PM

As if we didn't get the joke with Dusty Baker, apparently the Reds have hired Joe Morgan as a special advisor for baseball operations.

sterlingice · 04-21-2010, 02:16 PM

... Why, Reds, Why?

SI

Ksyrup · 04-21-2010, 02:16 PM

Hopefully that's a full-time position.

Ksyrup · 04-21-2010, 02:25 PM

I wonder if they knew this was coming, which is why Hershiser has been with them since the beginning of the year. Now he can just take over for Morgan. Or maybe they were phasing him out, and he took the chance to jump to another gig.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 04-21-2010, 02:27 PM

From what I understand he'll still be on ESPN.

Ksyrup · 04-21-2010, 02:30 PM

Damn. DOUBLE FAIL.

larrymcg421 · 04-21-2010, 03:20 PM

I think this Heyward kid might be pretty good.

Neuqua · 04-21-2010, 04:22 PM

The Cubs are moving $18mil/year Carlos Zambrano to the bullpen.

Really.

DaddyTorgo · 04-21-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Neuqua

The Cubs are moving $18mil/year Carlos Zambrano to the bullpen.

Really.

no way - seriously?

zoinks

Coffee Warlord · 04-21-2010, 04:47 PM

.....What.

lungs · 04-21-2010, 05:00 PM

And Carlos Silva remains in the rotation?

JS19 · 04-21-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lungs

And Carlos Silva remains in the rotation?

He's 1-0 with a 0.69 ERA so far, which hopefully turns into a 1-1 with a 10.00 ERA after the Mets game tonight.

korme · 04-21-2010, 06:21 PM

Hey contenders. Ya need a pitcher? Aaron Harang's pretty sexy. Ya want him?

Scoobz0202 · 04-21-2010, 06:27 PM

Hey contenders. Ya need a first baseman? Joey Votto's pretty sexy. You can't have him

rowech · 04-21-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by korme

Hey contenders. Ya need a pitcher? Aaron Harang's pretty sexy. Ya want him?

His fastball is just gone. His breaking stuff is still good but because his fastball isn't there anymore, his change is useless. So the guys are looking breaking pitch and catching up with anything else. He needs to realize (coaches too) that he needs to learn to vary speeds now...he's no longer a strikeout pitcher. They can still salvage him if they're willing to adjust his style.

korme · 04-21-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Hey contenders. Ya need a first baseman? Joey Votto's pretty sexy. You can't have him

I love that you posted this 2 minutes before he fouled off 3,459 pitches and subsequently hit a 2-run shot. Joe V!

edit- actually you probably posted it right after. haha. i just realized i paused the game to get skyline so i'm like 5 minutes behind real time. heh.

stevew · 04-21-2010, 06:38 PM

maholm and duke, the others make me puke.

JS19 · 04-21-2010, 06:40 PM

Whew. Hell of a catch by future ROY, MVP, Mets Savior Ike Davis. Thought he was gonna crack his dome as he tumbled over the railing, but he pulled off the flip perfectly.

Crapshoot · 04-21-2010, 06:55 PM

The Cubs are proving that you can't fact, make certain things idiot proof. Wow. Zambrano's not an ace, but the idea that he isn't better than Carlos Silva? My father is better than Carlos Silva!

04-20-2010, 02:59 PM	#552
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04-20-2010, 03:01 PM	#553
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Right, but what's worth more to Volquez: the 100k he will lose, or the ability to bounce back from his injury strong, which would help pump up the value of his arbitration/first contract? __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

04-20-2010, 03:50 PM	#559
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	No, that's not what I want. I'm sure MLB could write the rule in such a way to avoid situations such as this. "The player must appear in one game after the issuing of the suspension before the suspension begins to take effect" being one example of a way they could word it. __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

04-20-2010, 04:00 PM	#560
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	But that's also easy to get around. If I put Volquez in LF for a batter or allowed him to pinch hit that would count as playing a game. The only way I can see this working is writing such a tough rule that the players and owners would never agree to it. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

04-20-2010, 07:44 PM	#569
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I see the Nats are at it again, down 10-0 to Colorado in the 4th, starter Olsen lasts just two innings. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

04-20-2010, 03:05 PM	#555
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Nothing to see here folks, Volquez is just another innocent victim: "I want to assure everyone that this was an isolated incident involving my genuine effort to treat a common medical issue."

04-20-2010, 04:04 PM	#562
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	The problem is that unlike text sims, there's no obvious switch that's flipped when a player is "healthy". That's impossible to put a precise moment on.

04-20-2010, 06:56 PM	#566
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Glad to see Reyes having a nice day but I really wish he wouldn't swing out of his shoes everytime he tajes a cut. He really is the dumbest ball player I have ever seen.

04-20-2010, 07:09 PM	#567
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	well. I think charlie morton sucks. Time to go raid the scrap heap for starters. I'm all for the teardown rebuild. But I thiink you gotta do some one year type rentals. Washburn probably wants 4m. Our payroll is nothing. Fucking do something other than throw Burres out there and shrug your shoulders. Morton is Snell 2.0.

04-20-2010, 07:21 PM	#568
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	Don't worry Steve, you'll get to the Brewers bullpen eventually. Seven runs is not safe.

04-20-2010, 08:05 PM	#571
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	In my head-to-head league my buddy had Billingsley and I had Pelfrey... let the shit talking start. Now, by Friday I will probably be losing but a great start to the fantasy week.

04-20-2010, 08:56 PM	#572
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck you Dusty Baker.

04-20-2010, 09:01 PM	#573
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	LOL - I don't know why its funny but, the Rangers stole 9 bases off Wakefield and his knuckleball , setting a franchise record for most in a game, and most in an inning - 5, in the 3rd. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

04-20-2010, 09:11 PM	#574
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Glaus did something good in an important spot, very surprising. Heyward <3

04-20-2010, 09:23 PM	#575
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	And McClouth wins it with a walk-off homer in the 10th. That's a nice way to start the series. Funny stuff from the Braves in the dugout, they had all disappeared into the tunnel by the time McClouth touched home. Last edited by Big Fo : 04-20-2010 at 09:24 PM.

04-20-2010, 09:32 PM	#576
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Weird, I had just hit the send button to tweet "Wait, Jose Contreras is still alive?" at the instant that McLouth connected with the ball. So I guess the obvious answer is "No, Jose Contreras is not actually alive."

04-20-2010, 09:56 PM	#577
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Sox needed that. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

04-21-2010, 12:52 AM	#578
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	John Danks is good. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

04-21-2010, 01:49 PM	#580
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	After today's game, Greinke drops his ERA to 3.28, which is impressive considering how uncharacteristically wild he was last game. Unfortunately, it took the bullpen a whopping 3 hitters to match his 2 base hits given up in 7 innings so that makes 2 wins already that the pen has blown for him this year. He still isn't looking as sharp as last year. The velocity is down 1-2mph and a cause for concern after the huge workload last year. He only went 66 strikes on 109 pitches today which is still quite wild for him. Just a head's up for anyone who has him on their fantasy team. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

04-21-2010, 02:07 PM	#582
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	As if we didn't get the joke with Dusty Baker, apparently the Reds have hired Joe Morgan as a special advisor for baseball operations. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

04-21-2010, 02:16 PM	#583
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	... Why, Reds, Why? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

04-21-2010, 02:16 PM	#584
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Hopefully that's a full-time position. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-21-2010, 02:25 PM	#585
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I wonder if they knew this was coming, which is why Hershiser has been with them since the beginning of the year. Now he can just take over for Morgan. Or maybe they were phasing him out, and he took the chance to jump to another gig. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 04-21-2010 at 02:26 PM.

04-21-2010, 02:27 PM	#586
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	From what I understand he'll still be on ESPN. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

04-21-2010, 02:30 PM	#587
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Damn. DOUBLE FAIL. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-21-2010, 03:20 PM	#588
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04-21-2010, 04:22 PM	#589
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	The Cubs are moving $18mil/year Carlos Zambrano to the bullpen. Really. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

04-21-2010, 04:47 PM	#591
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	.....What.

04-21-2010, 05:00 PM	#592
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	And Carlos Silva remains in the rotation?

04-21-2010, 06:21 PM	#594
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Hey contenders. Ya need a pitcher? Aaron Harang's pretty sexy. Ya want him?

04-21-2010, 06:27 PM	#595
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Hey contenders. Ya need a first baseman? Joey Votto's pretty sexy. You can't have him

04-21-2010, 06:38 PM	#598
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	maholm and duke, the others make me puke.

04-21-2010, 06:40 PM	#599
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	Whew. Hell of a catch by future ROY, MVP, Mets Savior Ike Davis. Thought he was gonna crack his dome as he tumbled over the railing, but he pulled off the flip perfectly.

04-21-2010, 06:55 PM	#600
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	The Cubs are proving that you can't fact, make certain things idiot proof. Wow. Zambrano's not an ace, but the idea that he isn't better than Carlos Silva? My father is better than Carlos Silva!

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