If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next

[whomario]

Our suit against Donald Trump and the Trump Org alleges a years-long financial fraud scheme.

Here’s how Trump generated false and misleading values on his annual financial statements, which were then used to pay lower taxes, guarantee loans, and get better insurance rates:

— NY AG James (@NewYorkStateAG) September 21, 2022

[GrantDawg]

The jokes about Tiffany Trump not being included in the lawsuit are *chef's kiss*.

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[Qwikshot]

Are we getting him this time?

[flere-imsaho]

I will believe it when I see it.

[GrantDawg]

A lawsuit will take years, and we see how they slow drag even the criminal investigation when it comes to Trump. So, no. It is not likely this will "get him."

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[Lathum]

Bill Barr tells Fox that NYAG Letitia James "grossly overreaches when she tries to drag the children into this" because Eric, Don Jr., and Ivanka, are not "expected in the real world to due their own due diligence." pic.twitter.com/dIyFhe9XrO

— nikki mccann ramírez (@NikkiMcR) September 21, 2022

[NobodyHere]

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell yaz!!!!1!2

Ohio GOP House candidate has misrepresented military service

[albionmoonlight]

Newsmax Legal Analyst Alan Dershowitz: “Who were the people defrauded here? The biggest banks in the world. Why can’t they sue and take care of it themselves? Why does Letitia James have to be out there protecting and defending the biggest banks in the country?” pic.twitter.com/1mZRNYJBiL

— Ron Filipkowski ���� (@RonFilipkowski) September 21, 2022

Does not even occur to Dersh that Trump & Co. might not have defrauded the banks.

[GrantDawg]

And there is a simple answer to his question. The government was able to get information that the banks probably could have never gotten. It is not even a good argument, just an admission that the fraud occured.

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[Lathum]

J6 committee going to interview Ginni Thomas...

and the appeals court granted the DOJ their request regarding Cannons ruling.

[GrantDawg]

11th Appeals court rules against Trump, and in pretty spectacular fashion. Two of three judges that red against him were appointed by him.

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[Lathum]

Appeals panel says judge erred in blocking DOJ probe of Mar-a-Lago documents - POLITICO

[GrantDawg]

My favorite part "the district Court abused its discretion in exercising jurisdiction over the Plaintiff's motion as it concerns the classified documents."

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[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Bill Barr tells Fox that NYAG Letitia James "grossly overreaches when she tries to drag the children into this" because Eric, Don Jr., and Ivanka, are not "expected in the real world to due their own due diligence." pic.twitter.com/dIyFhe9XrO

— nikki mccann ramírez (@NikkiMcR) September 21, 2022

Ah, Barr thinks they should be going with the affluenza defense.

[Thomkal]

And two Trump appointees on that appeal too-glad they called her out on her ruling.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Appeals panel says judge erred in blocking DOJ probe of Mar-a-Lago documents - POLITICO

This ruling is really bad for Trump. It absolutely blasted Judge Cannon, is in line with DOJ arguments, and basically says unless Trump has a good excuse he's hiding that he likely committed a crime.

[albionmoonlight]

This thread goes into an angle I had not thought of:

BTW, a coda.

Remember a little while ago I said that Trump's entire play through this classified documents issue basically couldn't have been more perfectly designed to ensure he'd get indicted if he tried? Every move basically forcing DOJ's hand towards an indictment?

— Akiva Cohen (@AkivaMCohen) September 22, 2022

Trump's litigation strategy has made it slightly more likely that they indict him sooner rather than later.

I, personally, don't think they will until after the mid-terms (if at all). But this is a bit of food for thought.

[GrantDawg]

Trump just went "I can declassify documents with my mind" defense. Which is really not a defense.

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[albionmoonlight]

From what people are saying, the Hannity interview just seems . . . tired?

He's bringing up Hillary's emails. He's saying he can declassify things with his mind.

DeSantis is out there flying immigrants around the country to own the libs. Trump is talking about Hillary's emails. Might MAGA be ready to change the channel?

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Trump just went "I can declassify documents with my mind" defense. Which is really not a defense.

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Yeah never told anyone this, but I can send people to jail with my mind. Here Donald let me show you!

[miked]

Well, the lead story on Foxnews is about the woke military dropping "mom" and "dad" or something and some guy who ran down a teen because of his political views. There is not one article on their entire front page about the appeals court ruling. Not one.

[Lathum]

They are going to exploit the hell out of the teen who got ran over, which is a tragedy, while praising Kyle Rittenhouse as a hero

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by miked

Well, the lead story on Foxnews is about the woke military dropping "mom" and "dad" or something and some guy who ran down a teen because of his political views. There is not one article on their entire front page about the appeals court ruling. Not one.

Had to look, and you are dead-on right. What I find hilarious is these huge fear-mongering headlines all over the page about how "woke" is coming to get them, and then an article how Biden is fear-mongering about MAGA.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Trump just went "I can declassify documents with my mind" defense. Which is really not a defense.

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I DECLARE DESCLASSIFICATION!

[GrantDawg]

Judge Dearie is ripping Trump apart bit by bit.

The Mar-a-Lago special master is telling Trump's lawyers to say once and for all whether they really think the FBI planted evidence during its search, as the former president has publicly alleged. pic.twitter.com/hVF7fCTjIj

— Brad Heath (@bradheath) September 22, 2022

[GrantDawg]

I still feel like most of this stuff is going nowhere, but it is so much fun watching these guys get legally dunked on.

TRUMP RULING BOOMERANGS ON MYPILLOW BOSS: A Trump-appointed federal judge just denied a TRO for Mike Lindell to get his phone back after it was seized by FBI at Hardee's. Judge cites....wait for it.....Trump docs ruling from 11th Circuit last night. Doc: https://t.co/zw4CyplxfP

— Josh Gerstein (@joshgerstein) September 22, 2022

[albionmoonlight]

Trump's M.O. for as long as I have been paying attention is to say/imply things in the media but then stop just short of actually making formal representations in court. This is a great media strategy b/c they are basically just stenographers and never follow up.

But it is nice to see a court actually hold him to his media statements. If it is true, then say it. If it isn't, then say that too.

My guess is that they will end up saying that the process is so corrupt that they are withdrawing their motion. At this point, the SM isn't delaying the criminal investigation nor it is going to work as some sort of back-door suppression motion.

All it is doing is forcing Trump to put things on the record that might hurt his trial defenses in the future.

If he were my client, I'd advise him to cut bait on the SM at this point.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Trump's M.O. for as long as I have been paying attention is to say/imply things in the media but then stop just short of actually making formal representations in court. This is a great media strategy b/c they are basically just stenographers and never follow up.

But it is nice to see a court actually hold him to his media statements. If it is true, then say it. If it isn't, then say that too.

My guess is that they will end up saying that the process is so corrupt that they are withdrawing their motion. At this point, the SM isn't delaying the criminal investigation nor it is going to work as some sort of back-door suppression motion.

All it is doing is forcing Trump to put things on the record that might hurt his trial defenses in the future.

If he were my client, I'd advise him to cut bait on the SM at this point.

I think that is what is going to happen, but not until they at least take a shot at the Supreme Court ruling on the motion. If they did by some miracle get a favorable ruling on the documents by the Supreme Court, they will go back to Cannon and ask her to change Special Masters. They might go back and request a change pre-SC judgement at this rate.

[GrantDawg]

Bloomberg did an article on how child predators are using Twitch to find children and teens. As if on cue:

I’m joining @Twitch to bring my America First message to a new generation of viewers. Twitch will join the lineup of platforms I livestream on, including Rumble, GETTR, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube.

SUBSCRIBE: https://t.co/DIHsnOGF3N pic.twitter.com/y24RBzqqOw

— Rep. Matt Gaetz (@RepMattGaetz) September 22, 2022

[CrimsonFox]

Trump Inadvertently Helps Judge Deny Mike Lindell’s Bid to Get Seized Phone Back

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I think that is what is going to happen, but not until they at least take a shot at the Supreme Court ruling on the motion. If they did by some miracle get a favorable ruling on the documents by the Supreme Court, they will go back to Cannon and ask her to change Special Masters. They might go back and request a change pre-SC judgement at this rate.

I'm taking this back, because Judge Cannon has now amended her original order. She removed the classified documents from the Special Master review. Trump now can't appeal the 11th circuits decision to the Supreme Court because the order no longer stands. It seems the rebuke Cannon got was bad enough that she actually feared sanctions if she continued to show Trump that level of favoritism.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I'm taking this back, because Judge Cannon has now amended her original order. She removed the classified documents from the Special Master review. Trump now can't appeal the 11th circuits decision to the Supreme Court because the order no longer stands. It seems the rebuke Cannon got was bad enough that she actually feared sanctions if she continued to show Trump that level of favoritism.

I don't think it was fear. I think that she really isn't that competent.

If an appellate court vacates a trial court judgment and remands with instructions to do something, then the trial court should do that.

But, here, the 11th just granted a temporary stay of the order while the appeal is pending. As much as a benchslap as the 11th Circuit's order was--it was not a ruling on the merits. The actual appeal still had to happen.

So it is really weird for her to have sua sponte amended her order in response. That was not expected or called for or routinely done.

And I don't think that it is 4-D chess on her part. I think that she just does not get the day-to-day mechanics of her job.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by miked

Well, the lead story on Foxnews is about the woke military dropping "mom" and "dad" or something and some guy who ran down a teen because of his political views. There is not one article on their entire front page about the appeals court ruling. Not one.

FWIW

North Dakota official says 'no evidence' supports suspect's claim teen was Republican 'extremist'

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

FWIW

North Dakota official says 'no evidence' supports suspect's claim teen was Republican 'extremist'

I think just like Rittenhouse, it's going to come down to what actually happened in that moment. That and the perception of what is happening to each person moment by moment are all that really matter. We've heard nothing at all about it so far. I will say, if you're looking for a hotbed of trumpism, Nodak is about as close to state sponsored kool-aid drinking as you'll find.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

I think just like Rittenhouse, it's going to come down to what actually happened in that moment. That and the perception of what is happening to each person moment by moment are all that really matter. We've heard nothing at all about it so far. I will say, if you're looking for a hotbed of trumpism, Nodak is about as close to state sponsored kool-aid drinking as you'll find.

Unlike Rittenhouse, I very seriously doubt this idiot is going to be considered a hero among Democrats, get paid speaking gigs at conventions, or people are going to wear t-shirts in support of him.

[Ksyrup]

I bet this dude also claimed back in high school to have a GF in Canada that he met during summer vacation...

GOP congressional candidate J.R. Majewski, who the AP reported misrepresented his service in Afghanistan, attacks the reporting as an effort to “crush me and defame me,” saying he cannot provide evidence of his deployments:

“All of my deployments are listed as classified.” pic.twitter.com/aBagkvbEYt

— The Recount (@therecount) September 23, 2022

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I bet this dude also claimed back in high school to have a GF in Canada that he met during summer vacation...

GOP congressional candidate J.R. Majewski, who the AP reported misrepresented his service in Afghanistan, attacks the reporting as an effort to “crush me and defame me,” saying he cannot provide evidence of his deployments:

“All of my deployments are listed as classified.” pic.twitter.com/aBagkvbEYt

— The Recount (@therecount) September 23, 2022

I think the best thing here would be for Biden to declassify his military records.

[Kodos]

Maybe Trump could declassify them with his mind.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Sweed

I think the best thing here would be for Biden to declassify his military records.

Or investigate him for leaking classified information. He's the one that gave up Intel on these "classified" deployments.

[Ksyrup]

DeSantis' election integrity czar died of a massive heart attack this afternoon. Pete Antonacci. I won't speak ill of the dead, but let's just say his shenanigans in a civil matter I got thrown into as a young attorney convinced me never to step foot in a courtroom again. I appreciate that he gave much of his life to public service, but it does not surprise me that he ended up working in the DeSantis administration.

[stevew]

How would they even try Trump in court. Surely Jurors couldn’t have access to the classified materials, right? Is it a military tribunal type thing?

[NobodyHere]

They convicted Reality Winner didn't they?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

They convicted Reality Winner didn't they?

It is a good question. My guess is they really don't have to see the contents of the documents, because the trial isn't about what was in them but what they are.

[JPhillips]

As was noted in the appeal decision, the confidentiality argument doesn't really matter. These documents are the property of the government and Trump refused to return them.

I doubt he gets indicted, but if he does the trial won't hinge on what is and what isn't confidential, it will be much more simple.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by stevew

How would they even try Trump in court. Surely Jurors couldn’t have access to the classified materials, right? Is it a military tribunal type thing?

the trial would be about him possessing the documents, not their contents. Though I agree with J, I doubt he gets indicted and if he does no way he gets convicted. There will be t least one Trumper on the jury unless it is some kind of bench trial.

[PilotMan]

Look if other former presidents can go to jail, so can ours. American exceptionalism doesn't extend that far. Law and Order and all that.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Lathum

the trial would be about him possessing the documents, not their contents. Though I agree with J, I doubt he gets indicted and if he does no way he gets convicted. There will be t least one Trumper on the jury unless it is some kind of bench trial.

It would be a badge of honor for some low-key Trumper (someone who doesn't do social media and isn't loud and obnoxious about it) to get himself on that jury and prevent a conviction. In fact, I imagine someone could make a pretty penny in appearance fees, celebrity and what-not for months afterward. Guaranteed that will be on many minds if he's ever indicted.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

It would be a badge of honor for some low-key Trumper (someone who doesn't do social media and isn't loud and obnoxious about it) to get himself on that jury and prevent a conviction. In fact, I imagine someone could make a pretty penny in appearance fees, celebrity and what-not for months afterward. Guaranteed that will be on many minds if he's ever indicted.

totally. To be the one voice of reason against 11 deep state libs trying to railroad the true president. Gold mine.

[Atocep]

Trump's Republican Support Plummets by 20 Points, New Poll Shows

Trump has also apparently been calling large GOP donors asking them to stop donating to Desantis.

[cuervo72]

Eh, might as well post this here.

Pennsylvania school district bans Girls Who Code book series | Pennsylvania | The Guardian

"In a statement explaining the ban of the diverse resources, the school district’s board president at the time, Jane Johnson, said: “What we are attempting to do is balance legitimate academic freedom with what could be literature/materials that are too activist in nature, and may lean more toward indoctrination rather than age-appropriate academic content.”

Encouraging girls to code is too activist.