2018 College Football Thread

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by bob

So those of you who really follow the entirety of the sport, are there any darkhorses for next year or are we looking at some combo of Clemson, Alabama, and UGA again next year?

Edit: I guess add Ohio St

Eh, tOSU would have to strike gold with a replacement QB to be in that echelon. Could happen but not something I'd bet on either. Florida could/should be improved and the winner of an early-season LSU v Texas matchup gives themselves a chance to be in some conversations.

[Warhammer]

So Alabama lost by more to Clemson than ND did? ND even had the excuse of their starting CB being out and their secondary getting torched in that second quarter.

[CU Tiger]

I dont have the stats in front of me but on the year Bama outscored their opponents in the 1st quarter something like 150-10.


Clemson was only slightly ahead of their opponent sin the 1st all year.


However the 2nd quarter was Clemson's quarter. On the year they outscored opponents something like 140-28 in 2nd quarters.


At the end of 1 up 14-13 I told my son ..ok Clemson won Bama's quarter. If we open the lead up before half time its over.

[JonInMiddleGA]

My year-end Top 25

J3C College Football Top 25 (2018 season final) | Jon's Three Cents

[Young Drachma]

Was thinking last night, what if NCAA allowed NBA/NFL players (NHL draftees already can) who are drafted to come back to college if they have eligibility left? It'll never happen, but I don't think the idea would have many downsides?

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Young Drachma

Was thinking last night, what if NCAA allowed NBA/NFL players (NHL draftees already can) who are drafted to come back to college if they have eligibility left? It'll never happen, but I don't think the idea would have many downsides?

I'm assuming you mean undrafted? Otherwise there's a pretty significant downside you're missing.

[bbgunn]

I'm calling it now... UAB for the Group of 5 New Year's bowl spot next season. Bill Clark is the truth.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Logan

I'm assuming you mean undrafted? Otherwise there's a pretty significant downside you're missing.

NBA draft should take page from NHL - NY Daily News

The hockey option. Except, players can get signed and do endorsements and all that. But teams retain their rights for a period.

The NHL, with players from college, junior hockey, and European leagues, may have North America's best draft system. Players are drafted at 18 or 19, but teams can wait to sign them. Drafting teams can retain the rights to unsigned European or major junior players for two years, while college players can remain unsigned but bound to a team through graduation.

This system gives teams time to observe their prospects and decide when they're ready for professional hockey. So, while Sidney Crosby was able to jump right into the NHL at 18 after the Penguins made him the No. 1 pick in 2005, the Rangers were able to let their first-rounder that year, Marc Staal, spend two more seasons in juniors before he made his NHL debut in the fall of 2007. Paul Stastny, selected by the Colorado Avalanche in the second round in 2005, played another college season at the University of Denver before he went pro.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Jeremy Pruitt ought to be fired immediately ... preferrably from a cannon.
The stupid son of a bitch just hired Jim Chaney away from UGAg to be the Tennessee OC.

[CU Tiger]

Word ius he's bringing Pittman with him...will help UTs OL recruiting.

But Tennessee regularly produces outside speed talent, they don't need a ball control scheme.

The primary thing that makes collegeb different than pro... your have to tailor your game to what your local talent pool is.

[tarcone]

Shocked. Well done, Clemson and congrats to CU!

Maryland hired a guy like that? Wow.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Young Drachma

NBA draft should take page from NHL - NY Daily News

The hockey option. Except, players can get signed and do endorsements and all that. But teams retain their rights for a period.

Well the downside is that you're allowing your assets to potentially get hurt or subjected to subpar coaching at that level, while sacrificing any potential for that 5th round pick to help you on special teams or plug a gap down the road because of injury.

Unless you mean for this to be coupled with removing the years out of high school restriction for eligibility, not sure it can work. The NHL is drafting mostly 17 and 18 year olds which is an entirely different world than how the NFL operates.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Eh, tOSU would have to strike gold with a replacement QB to be in that echelon. Could happen but not something I'd bet on either. Florida could/should be improved and the winner of an early-season LSU v Texas matchup gives themselves a chance to be in some conversations.

Auburn's lurking too. And in the outside chance Kyler Murray plays another year at Oklahoma they'd automatically jump back into the discussion.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Auburn's lurking too. And in the outside chance Kyler Murray plays another year at Oklahoma they'd automatically jump back into the discussion.

Agreed on Murray/OU I suppose (if they find a defense at least) but after the epic bed-soiling Auburn just produced in 2018 they're going to be a show-me team.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Jalen Hurts of Alabama Crimson Tide enters name, info into NCAA transfer portal

[Butter]

Tre Lamar and Trayvon Mullen both leaving Clemson for NFL. Starting LB and CB from this year's team. Combine them with another starting LB out of eligibility and the entire DL being gone, means replacing at least 7 starters from the defense. 1 more LB is supposedly still making a decision.

Basically only 2 starters (LT and Hunter Renfrow) off the offense leaving though.

[Logan]

Ts and Ps to Clemson

[HomerSimpson98]

Originally Posted by Logan

Ts and Ps to Clemson

quoting for awesomeness

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Logan

Ts and Ps to Clemson

Nah...
Reload.


Names to know for the future.
Booth, Henry, Thomas, Constantin, McMichael, Goodman...on D



And Replacing Hyatt is last years #1 OT prospect...and I think eveyrone saw the WR talent on display Monday.



We can check back here next year but I dont think personnel loses will be as big as T&Ps level.




In house Leadership lost is a bigger question.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Agreed on Murray/OU I suppose (if they find a defense at least) but after the epic bed-soiling Auburn just produced in 2018 they're going to be a show-me team.

Definitely, but they have enough talent coming back they have a high enough ceiling.

If (when) Justin Fields gets his immediate waiver then Ohio State's ceiling is also raised.

I guess opinions differ on just how close ND & Oklahoma were, but OU lost by 10 in the semi and I think the ND/Clemson game would've been much closer if Julian Love & multiple other DB's didn't go down in a 5 minute stretch of the 2nd quarter, so if we're down to listing Auburn/Florida/LSU/Texas I'd include both. I certainly don't see how Oklahoma's defense could be much worse next year, and we'll see just how many early departures ND has. Okwara & Kareem are coming back so both lines return most contributors, but sounds like Love & Miles Boykin are leaving for the NFL.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

If (when) Justin Fields gets his immediate waiver then Ohio State's ceiling is also raised.

But isn't that only if you believe he's better in 2019 than Haskins was in 2018. And I don't see that being the case.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

The Eagles made it close, after a 17 play, Bison drive stalled, and ended in a missed field goal, the Eagles scored in 4 plays to cut it to 1 score. NDSU grabbed the onside, and put the game away with a final TD drive. Final 38-24.


They didn't cover.


But they did win. FOR THE 7th TIME in 8 YEARS!

What.A.RIDE!!!

So this actually happened today:

This is not a joke. Totally legit.
The shelf that holds the now 7 National Championship trophies in the football offices.. broke today. Too much trophy weight ��‍

{edit to add: I should have expected better from an Engineering school!}

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

But isn't that only if you believe he's better in 2019 than Haskins was in 2018. And I don't see that being the case.

How much better idk, but their defense should be better next year. They had no seniors this year, and unless you count Nick Bosa, they're only losing one player right now (starting DT Dre'Mont Jones).

[Butter]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

I think the ND/Clemson game would've been much closer if Julian Love & multiple other DB's didn't go down in a 5 minute stretch of the 2nd quarter

Define "much closer"

[digamma]

There was a note the other night during the game about staff stability at Clemson. Not sure what the exact number was but they compared Clemson's losing just a handful of assistants (3?) over the last four years to Alabama having a staffing merry go round (20 or so). Now obviously, Alabama may point to positives of getting coaches into HC roles, etc., but it's an interesting contrast.

I say that with the announcement today that Alabama's OL coach Brent Key is moving to Georgia Tech (where he went to school) to be OL coach and assistant head coach/run game coordinator. It's a nice pick up for Collins's staff.

[CU Tiger]

Yep only 3
Chad Morris at Arkansas
Dan Brooks retired
Marion Hobby left to go to the Jags.


Saban is notoriously hard to work for. Swinney from day 1 has made it a pillar of his approach to not be. He encourages wives and families to be at the football offices. All the kids have access badges. he shuts down everyday for his assistants to go home and eat dinner with the family and then come back, they schedule practice around kids little league or high school games etc.


When he was losing it was pointed at as uncommitted when he wins its revolutionary and visionary, like most strategies.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Daaaayumm

UGA football: QB appears to warn Fields about transfer to Ohio State

Can confirm: Tate Martell is in the NCAA transfer portal. Allows him the opportunity to speak to another school about a possible transfer from Ohio State.

— Kyle Rowland (@KyleRowland) January 10, 2019

So, will "the" Tate Martell heed his own advice?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by digamma

It's a nice pick up for Collins's staff.

Agreed. Interesting too, since Key was one of the initial crop of rumors about potential HCs.

[hollmt]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Can confirm: Tate Martell is in the NCAA transfer portal. Allows him the opportunity to speak to another school about a possible transfer from Ohio State.

— Kyle Rowland (@KyleRowland) January 10, 2019

So, will "the" Tate Martell heed his own advice?

greatest news of the day.

[miami_fan]

College football fans in general and Michigan fans specifically,

I am assuming the highlighted phrases below has to do with school donations, right? Is this a thing across the country? I have never seen this before.

ANN ARBOR, Mich. -- University of Michigan head football coach Jim Harbaugh announced today (Friday, Jan. 9) the hiring Tim Drevno as the team's Sanford Robertson Offensive Coordinator. Drevno will coach the offensive line in addition to coordinating the Wolverines' offense.

I am excited to reunite with Tim and have him serve as the offensive coordinator for our Michigan program," said Harbaugh, the J. Ira and Nicki Harris Family Head Football Coach. "Tim is an outstanding offensive line coach and is a technician that works very hard at making his student-athletes better players and students. He will be an outstanding member of our coaching staff."

[CU Tiger]

It's either a sponsorship deal or an honorary award deal.

For example Furman a small D1 fcs in SC has the Bobby Robinson head coach...BR was a HC and AD at Furman and elseweher...it is sort of akin to a naming the field after someone.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

I am assuming the highlighted phrases below has to do with school donations, right? Is this a thing across the country? I have never seen this before.

ESPN article from 2014 mentions similarly named/endowed positions at Duke, Stanford, and Northwestern.

A little more Googling and I can even give you pricing for Head Football or Head Men's Basketball coaching jobs at Michigan State ($5m each) down to ass't football coaches ($500k each)

[miami_fan]

Interesting. Thank you for the info.

Now I want this fall into the hands of the university administration that will provide the most comedic titles.

[JPhillips]

They sound like endowed faculty lines. For X amount of money we'll name this position after you or your family. Here's some info on UM School of Medicine endowed lines.

A professorship is a gift to the University of Michigan Medical School to establish a named endowment that provides income to the Medical School in perpetuity. It is wonderful way to ensure the Medical School’s continued excellence and stature for many years in to the future that honors the donor, faculty member, family member, friend, teacher or mentor for which it is named.

[HomerSimpson98]

Un-fucking-real. Where does the money grab end? Making the "its really about the kids and their education" argument a total fucking joke

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson98

Un-fucking-real. Where does the money grab end? Making the "its really about the kids and their education" argument a total fucking joke

It's an endless cycle, no doubt. But wouldn't you prefer money that goes toward paying assistant coaches come from an endowed fund from a booster rather than out of the general athletic department funding (which for many schools includes general funding from the school itself, which means taxpayer money and student fees)?

[JonInMiddleGA]

UGA promotes James Coley (ex-FSU OC w/out playcalling, ex-Miami OC under Al Golden) to OC.

Miami gets Bama QB coach Dan Enos as their new OC.

[Butter]

Some guy named Thomas Brown is joining South Carolina's staff as RB coach.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Butter

Some guy named Thomas Brown is joining South Carolina's staff as RB coach.

Yeah, I meant to post that earlier, glad you caught it.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson98

Un-fucking-real. Where does the money grab end? Making the "its really about the kids and their education" argument a total fucking joke

Originally Posted by dawgfan

It's an endless cycle, no doubt. But wouldn't you prefer money that goes toward paying assistant coaches come from an endowed fund from a booster rather than out of the general athletic department funding (which for many schools includes general funding from the school itself, which means taxpayer money and student fees)?

Yeah, there are also endowed chairs and departments and buildings at colleges... I'd be more up in arms if it was the Chick-fil-A Wide Receivers Coach, but individual donors wanting recognition doesn't seem different than colleges as a whole.

Originally Posted by Butter

Define "much closer"

Within 2 scores & still a game in the 4th quarter. The first 25 minutes where ND's offense wasn't doing much but the D was keeping it close was the game I expected (I hoped ND would be more aggressive with play calling, but wasn't surprised at all they chose to be conservative and mostly run on early downs). The booth giving Clemson the ball on their fumbled kickoff return & ND failing on 4th & 4 at the 35 hurt ND's chances to actually win, but it was still a game until like 4 ND DB's went down mid Q2. (Love went down earlier, but Clemson kept running read options & throwing bubble screens for 2 more drives).

Maybe Ross & Higgins make catches over the top vs a 100% ND secondary (they were impressive catches regardless, and certainly they made some vs Alabama as well!), but those two deep balls turned it from game to blowout and it hurt to see it happen over a FR listed as 3rd string FS & a hobbled Alohi Gilman only a few plays after he was helped off.

It's generally not an argument worth fighting because Clemson was the better team & deserved to win, but I do think it was more of a game than people acted between it & the NCG, and I was pretty happy when Clemson also blew out Alabama on the scoreboard (and Georgia/UCF lost).

[CU Tiger]

The challenge is, and I fully admit ND had me sweating that game, Clemson always starts slow and explodes late 2nd quarter.

There's a reason for that.

But Duke, Wake, NCSU, even FSU followed the same script.

[Butter]

Maybe would've been sweating a bit had they not rightly reversed the kickoff fumble.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Quarterback Tate Martell transferring from Ohio State to Miami

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Quarterback Tate Martell transferring from Ohio State to Miami

I have a friend who is/was on the staff at Miami (not on the field but an "analyst")..


He maintains that Richt "retired" because he was told to

a) re-organize his assistant coaches
b) start playing "the game" the Miami way


Allegedly this was told to Richt in an email, in print, by UM employees. As the story goes - He picked up the phone called his boss and said "I dont work that way. If that is an order I'm leaving, as you are a disrespect to my University. BTW I will announce my retirement, keep your damn money, you will be complimentary and sad that Im leaving publicly or this email will find its way to every sports reporter I know"


If true...sure explains a lot of weird questions...

[HomerSimpson98]

I always liked Richt. He may not have won as much as he should have, but he did it the right way (at least from seat).

[CraigSca]

For those interested, there's a great series on Netflix called QB1 that shows the senior year of a number of these guys like Fromm, Martell, etc. Interesting to see how these kids "really" are, and you definitely end up rooting for some more than others.

It's just like Last Chance U, if you're a fan.

[bob]

Jalen Hurts heading to Oklahoma

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by bob

Jalen Hurts heading to Oklahoma

Good for him. He deserves a chance at another run.

[Young Drachma]

I like the graduate transfer rule.

[dawgfan]

Cleveland Browns are hiring Tosh Lupoi to coach their DL. Another hit to Saban's staff, and while Bama recruits itself, he was an absolute beast of a recruiter and helped them make gains on the West Coast. Glad to see him out of the college game and on to the NFL.