2018 College Football Thread - Page 23

JonInMiddleGA · 12-29-2018, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Let's see how many years of Clemson/OSU vs Bama/Georgia it takes to go to 8, or 12 team playoff. Divsion 2 and 3 figured it out a long time ago.

And 4 teams have the last 7 D2 titles (and only one game in the last 8 years decided by less than double-digits)
And 3 teams have the last FOURTEEN D3 titles. (with only five different teams even appearing the title game over that span)

It's almost as fucking ridiculous to have an expanded playoff in D3 as it would be in D1.

edit to add: The last D3 title game to not have at least one of the two current dominant programs involved?
1999.

bronconick · 12-29-2018, 07:25 PM

This is going to be an annihilation

B & B · 12-29-2018, 07:38 PM

based on these 'playoff' games, they don't need to expand it

THEY SHOULD REMOVE IT AND HAVE ONE NATL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME like old times.

bob · 12-29-2018, 07:39 PM

Honestly wish they would just go back to the old bowl system.

JPhillips · 12-29-2018, 07:57 PM

Tua looks much better than Kyler.

Atocep · 12-29-2018, 07:59 PM

Expanding the playoff to create even greater mismatches is not the answer.

PilotMan · 12-29-2018, 08:04 PM

Bring on UCF! They should come on at halftime and play the second half with the game at 0-0.

Atocep · 12-29-2018, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

Bring on UCF! They should come on at halftime and play the second half with the game at 0-0.

Then Bama could beat 2 teams by 50+ in one day.

Jas_lov · 12-29-2018, 08:07 PM

Georgia was one of the 4 best teams and proved they could play with Bama but we just had to let Oklahoma and ND in because they "earned it" and now we're stuck with these shit games. Time to scrap the playoff committee.

Atocep · 12-29-2018, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Georgia was one of the 4 best teams and proved they could play with Bama but we just had to let Oklahoma and ND in because they "earned it" and now we're stuck with these shit games. Time to scrap the playoff committee.

OU was one of the 4 best teams in the country too. Alabama is a lot better than everyone else this year, but a 1 month layoff tends to create shitshow bowl games.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-29-2018, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Georgia was one of the 4 best teams

Not as long as they're coached by Chief FakeAKick.

They're exactly where they belong, though not necessarily through the fault of the players.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-29-2018, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

Bring on UCF! They should come on at halftime and play the second half with the game at 0-0.

Well, UCF has already wrapped up another championship season with their 72-0 demolition of Clemson. Yesterday's parade was another triumphant coronation.

PilotMan · 12-29-2018, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Then Bama could beat 2 teams by 50+ in one day.

Bama should have to beat 4 top 8 teams in 4 quarters, in the same game. They start fresh each quarter with a 0-0 score , and they have to win all 4 games to advance.

Galaril · 12-29-2018, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bob

Honestly wish they would just go back to the old bowl system.

Agreed and deep six the sponsor names on bowl games.

Galaril · 12-29-2018, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And 4 teams have the last 7 D2 titles (and only one game in the last 8 years decided by less than double-digits)
And 3 teams have the last FOURTEEN D3 titles. (with only five different teams even appearing the title game over that span)

It's almost as fucking ridiculous to have an expanded playoff in D3 as it would be in D1.

edit to add: The last D3 title game to not have at least one of the two current dominant programs involved?
1999.

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Originally Posted by B & B

based on these 'playoff' games, they don't need to expand it

THEY SHOULD REMOVE IT AND HAVE ONE NATL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME like old times.

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Originally Posted by bob

Honestly wish they would just go back to the old bowl system.

Good info and agree lets go back tojust the generic bowl games.

bhlloy · 12-29-2018, 08:44 PM

Refs just making shit up now to try to stop people from turning over at half time. Yawn.

Edward64 · 12-29-2018, 09:38 PM

I look forward to the 2nd NC game.

Edward64 · 12-29-2018, 10:40 PM

OK is making a game of it.

CU Tiger · 12-29-2018, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bob

So maybe I’m missing something but based on what I just saw online Clemson and Oklahoma have never played each other in the college football playoff

Correction: 2015.

Sorry. They played in a bowl game in 14 and CFP in 15...I had a brain fart

Galaril · 12-29-2018, 10:53 PM

I am not sure what is the answer but for for me a 43 year diehard cfb fan I am cashing my chips in till they build a coherent and competitive product for my $$ to care about.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-29-2018, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

I am not sure what is the answer but for for me a 43 year diehard cfb fan I am casing my chips in till they build a coherent and competitive product for my $$ to care about.

If by "they" you mean the various powers that be, then that's easy: go back to a two-team playoff format (at most)

MizzouRah · 12-29-2018, 11:13 PM

Bama and Clemson... yawn...

JonInMiddleGA · 12-29-2018, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Bama and Clemson... yawn...

So, what, replace the playoff with a random draw each year? Just to get different teams?

I mean, I'm looking at the state champs in Georgia HS football this year.
We've got:
a 4x in a row winner,
a 2x in a row & 3 of last 4 winner,
a 2x of last 3 winner,
a 2x in a row winner who has beaten the previous 2x in a row winner the past two seasons
a 2x in a row winner
and a runner-up that's been to 4 of the last 5 title games (winning 2)
(coming from 24-32 team fields in their respective classification)

jbergey22 · 12-30-2018, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Bama and Clemson... yawn...

Im not sure what you are after???

The two best teams all season long are playing for the National Championship. Isnt that what people want?

I think bama is a notch above them but it should atleast be competitive unlike todays matchups.

MrBug708 · 12-30-2018, 12:37 AM

I dont think Mizzourah was saying they didnt deserve it, just that it's not real compelling to watch. Doesn't mean they dont deserve to be there

JonInMiddleGA · 12-30-2018, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

The two best teams all season long are playing for the National Championship. Isnt that what people want?

Depends

bob · 12-30-2018, 07:46 AM

Paul Johnson still had my favorite comment in the film room. Mack Brown talked about how he wishes he would have let his backup QB's throw more when they were winning blow-outs, and said it wasn't fair to them.

Paul Johnson: "I didn't let my backup QB's throw either."

Edward64 · 12-30-2018, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I dont think Mizzourah was saying they didnt deserve it, just that it's not real compelling to watch. Doesn't mean they dont deserve to be there

In a way I do wish there was more variety in the NC games the past 4-5 years. But on the other hand, I do want to see the "best" play for the NC.

MizzouRah · 12-30-2018, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I dont think Mizzourah was saying they didnt deserve it, just that it's not real compelling to watch. Doesn't mean they dont deserve to be there

Bingo.. the two best teams are probably there.. Bama for sure possibly a Georgia vs Clemson game would have been a good one but I won't argue with these two teams.

I'm just tired of these two teams.

I'll watch because I'm a college FB fan, I just wish there was more intrigue.

Lathum · 12-30-2018, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Bingo.. the two best teams are probably there.. Bama for sure possibly a Georgia vs Clemson game would have been a good one but I won't argue with these two teams.

I'm just tired of these two teams.

I'll watch because I'm a college FB fan, I just wish there was more intrigue.

This.

It isn't that I feel these teams aren't deserving, I just want other teams to get better and contend.

I also think Oklahoma showed they belonged. ND showed they did not.

dawgfan · 12-30-2018, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Let's see how many years of Clemson/OSU vs Bama/Georgia it takes to go to 8, or 12 team playoff.

All that will happen with an expanded playoffs is even more SEC teams + Clemson in the final four.

dawgfan · 12-30-2018, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

This.

It isn't that I feel these teams aren't deserving, I just want other teams to get better and contend.

I also think Oklahoma showed they belonged. ND showed they did not.

Yep. No question whatsoever that Alabama and Clemson are the two best teams and entirely deserving. It's just fatigue at the situation and the fact those two programs are so clearly above everyone else. I mean, maybe Georgia can break into this tier with the way Smart has recruited, and it's possible if Day is as good of a coach as Meyer that Ohio State can contend here and there, but as long as Saban is at Alabama and Swinney is at Clemson, those two programs will dominate the sport.

That's fine and dandy for college football fans in the south, but it's going to lead to serious fatigue elsewhere in the country. And I'm not really sure a great way to remedy that, as there are fundamental reasons tilting the sport in favor of the south.

MizzouRah · 12-30-2018, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

This.

It isn't that I feel these teams aren't deserving, I just want other teams to get better and contend.

I also think Oklahoma showed they belonged. ND showed they did not.

In pro sports we have cap restrictions and luxury taxes.. but in college sports all we have is recruiting and teams like Bama and Clemson (you can include other teams here too, Georgia, Oklahoma, Ohio St, etc.. but to a lesser extent) are always at the top. Same with college basketball, Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina and Kansas (Villanova, Louisville).

I find myself watching more NFL and less college football because of the parity and any team can win. Sure we have the Patriots, but they can be beaten and at least I know the other team has a chance. I would also say that a coach like Belichick carries more weight as a HC than someone like Saban because he's on the same set of rules the other NFL teams are bound to.

Are Saban and Swinney elite coaches or do they just have the best high school players, therefore elite recruiters but average coaches?

I honestly don't know of anyway to make the big college sports more interesting, other than the regular season and the variety of games available. I enjoy the season quite a bit, but come Championship time, my interest dwindles.

dawgfan · 12-30-2018, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Are Saban and Swinney elite coaches or do they just have the best high school players, therefore elite recruiters but average coaches?

All good points, but in regard to the above I think you have to give Swinney a ton of credit as the CEO of the Clemson program. Clearly he's an outstanding recruiter, but it takes more than that to win, and you have to give him credit for the way Clemson has climbed from being a good program to an elite one.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-30-2018, 12:57 PM

Mark Richt announces his retirement & steps down at Miami

dawgfan · 12-30-2018, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Mark Richt announces his retirement & steps down at Miami

For the sheer entertainment value I want to see them hire Cristobal.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-30-2018, 01:09 PM

Major Applewhite fired at Houston

Lathum · 12-30-2018, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Major Applewhite fired at Houston

Wow.

Thats a bit of a raw deal.

I get they weren't ready to play Army, but once King went down they were DOA for the season anyway

Atocep · 12-30-2018, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Major Applewhite fired at Houston

Yeah, as I mentioned they want Holgorsen and WVU's AD isn't exactly enamored with him right now so he may be allowed to walk when his buyout drops to $1 mil on new years.

Dana would probably do very, very well at Houston but acting like 8-5 seasons aren't acceptable at Houston is how to create a job no one wants.

Atocep · 12-30-2018, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

For the sheer entertainment value I want to see them hire Cristobal.

It's going to be very interesting to see who they land. It's not the job it was in the 90s, but it's a great spot for a young coach.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-30-2018, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Dana would probably do very, very well at Houston but acting like 8-5 seasons aren't acceptable at Houston is how to create a job no one wants.

They were very upfront about that with Applewhite too

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At a holiday party two years ago -- shortly after Applewhite was hired -- university president Renu Khator said "winning is defined at the University of Houston as 10-2 ... We'll fire coaches at 8-4," according to a Houston Chronicle account of the event.

It got Levine fired, it got Applewhite fired. And, ya know, since Briles got them to 10 in 2006, maybe 8 isn't enough to be satisfied with. I mean, they aren't exactly playing in a powerhouse conference. Herman averaged 11 in two seasons. Sumlin averaged 9 in four seasons.

Asking someone to do simply what Sumlin managed isn't the most unreasonable expectation.

MizzouRah · 12-30-2018, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

All good points, but in regard to the above I think you have to give Swinney a ton of credit as the CEO of the Clemson program. Clearly he's an outstanding recruiter, but it takes more than that to win, and you have to give him credit for the way Clemson has climbed from being a good program to an elite one.

I think I'm being a tad rude to them both and they both deserve credit for what they have done for both of their programs.

If Missouri was a juggernaut like these two programs, I'm sure I would enjoy Championship runs every year. Hell, no doubt in my mind I would.

As a fan of neither team, I prefer watching a game like UCF - LSU.

Butter · 12-30-2018, 08:14 PM

I hope everyone in San Francisco is tired of this matchup too so I can get Natty tickets for cheap.

Atocep · 12-30-2018, 08:41 PM

Looks like Rich Rod to Ole Miss as OC.

Have fun with that.

Atocep · 12-30-2018, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

For the sheer entertainment value I want to see them hire Cristobal.

Manny Diaz

JonInMiddleGA · 12-30-2018, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Looks like Rich Rod to Ole Miss as OC.

Have fun with that.

Or as my kid just said "great, we end up with Rich fuckin Rod as our next head coach. Just ... great"

Vince, Pt. II · 12-30-2018, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter

I hope everyone in San Francisco is tired of this matchup too so I can get Natty tickets for cheap.

Oh god. It's in my backyard. Sigh.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-30-2018, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Manny Diaz

I just realized / discovered that you weren't joking.

Poor Temple.

Edward64 · 12-31-2018, 01:22 AM

No disrespect to Clemson but I think that is about right.

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According to SuperBookUSA, Alabama is favored by 6.5 points over Clemson for the title game.

GrantDawg · 12-31-2018, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

That shrill whining noise you may be hearing isn't just a delusional fanbase.

A number of UGAg players are embarrassing themselves on Twitter this evening.

What is so stupid about them sounding off is they still have a game to win. Shut up and go out there and play. If they lose, they really will look like idiots.

12-29-2018, 07:38 PM	#1103
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12-29-2018, 10:53 PM	#1120
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	I am not sure what is the answer but for for me a 43 year diehard cfb fan I am cashing my chips in till they build a coherent and competitive product for my $$ to care about. Last edited by Galaril : 12-30-2018 at 09:41 AM.

12-30-2018, 12:57 PM	#1135
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Mark Richt announces his retirement & steps down at Miami __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

12-29-2018, 07:25 PM	#1102
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	This is going to be an annihilation

12-29-2018, 07:39 PM	#1104
bob College Starter Join Date: Oct 2004	Honestly wish they would just go back to the old bowl system.

12-29-2018, 07:59 PM	#1106
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Expanding the playoff to create even greater mismatches is not the answer.

12-29-2018, 08:07 PM	#1109
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Georgia was one of the 4 best teams and proved they could play with Bama but we just had to let Oklahoma and ND in because they "earned it" and now we're stuck with these shit games. Time to scrap the playoff committee.

12-29-2018, 08:44 PM	#1116
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Refs just making shit up now to try to stop people from turning over at half time. Yawn.

12-29-2018, 09:38 PM	#1117
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	I look forward to the 2nd NC game.

12-29-2018, 10:40 PM	#1118
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	OK is making a game of it.

12-29-2018, 11:13 PM	#1122
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Bama and Clemson... yawn...

12-30-2018, 12:37 AM	#1125
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I dont think Mizzourah was saying they didnt deserve it, just that it's not real compelling to watch. Doesn't mean they dont deserve to be there

12-30-2018, 07:46 AM	#1127
bob College Starter Join Date: Oct 2004	Paul Johnson still had my favorite comment in the film room. Mack Brown talked about how he wishes he would have let his backup QB's throw more when they were winning blow-outs, and said it wasn't fair to them. Paul Johnson: "I didn't let my backup QB's throw either."

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JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Major Applewhite fired at Houston __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

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Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Looks like Rich Rod to Ole Miss as OC. Have fun with that.

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