2020 Democratic Primaries/General Election Thread

[HerRealName]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

LOL, my thoughts exactly. Obama was definitely further to the left, economically, of Bill Clinton. George H.W. Bush was a moderate Republican in the 1990s. His health care plan was a tax credit.

I think people dramatically overstate how 'moderate' the moderate Republicans were in the 80s and 90s.

Might want to check out that link before you start laughing too hard.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by HerRealName

Might want to check out that link before you start laughing too hard.

I saw the link. It was Obama politic stuff. No way he was the same as the moderate Republicans who voted for a top marginal rate of 28% and believed an adequate health care plan was a tax credit. And I bet if you asked him the same question today, when he's out of office, he'd agree.

I mean people talk of Susan Collins as the last of them when they lament the old moderate Republicans.

[HerRealName]

I never realized how much of a liar he was. From 2014:

"The truth of the matter is, when you look at some of my policies, in a lot of ways Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was," Obama told Fox News's Bill O'Reilly. "Started the EPA, you know, started a whole lot of the regulatory state that has made our air and water clean."

[ISiddiqui]

Look at your link again:

Originally Posted by President Obama

The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican.

So is he saying that mainstream policies are moderate Republican policies? Or is he talking to moderate Republican Cubans and trying to play politics.

As for your second quote, do you think Obama actually though President Nixon was more liberal than Obama was? Do you think Obama felt like he wouldn't start the EPA or do air and water regulations (even though he try to do them a lot). Or do you think that was a political quote - to try to get some more Republican votes, such as Collins or Murkowski, for his policies?

[HerRealName]

Maybe he was dishonest on both instances and playing politics. If so, it's a good reminder on the effectiveness of bending the knee to the GOP.

[ISiddiqui]

The man got the ACA passed, which was a Herculean task (ask Bill Clinton).

[HerRealName]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

The man got the ACA passed, which was a Herculean task (ask Bill Clinton).

True. Also some nice executive orders, got Bin Laden, and got re-elected but he was completely ineffective dealing with Republicans. Biden would be even worse.

[ISiddiqui]

Back to "moderate Republicans of the 1990s" for a second. Bill Clinton's 1993 Health Care Plan was a slightly less comprehensive than the ACA and was deep sixed not only by moderate Republicans, but even plenty of moderate Democrats (most famously Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan). Of course, the attempt was a major reason they lost both houses of Congress.

[Lathum]

Took 4 seconds for Bernie to mention stop and frisk

[Lathum]

dola- this is going to be the slam Mike Bloomberg show

[Edward64]

Warren has a Trump breathing issue also

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- this is going to be the slam Mike Bloomberg show

Yup

[Edward64]

A very lively debate so far !!

[Lathum]

Mayor Pete fires the first big salvo hitting Bernie about the culinary workers union from Las Vegas

[HerRealName]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Back to "moderate Republicans of the 1990s" for a second. Bill Clinton's 1993 Health Care Plan was a slightly less comprehensive than the ACA and was deep sixed not only by moderate Republicans, but even plenty of moderate Democrats (most famously Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan). Of course, the attempt was a major reason they lost both houses of Congress.

I can pretty easily find Obama quotes giving the Heritage Foundation credit for the core of the ACA if I need to

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Mayor Pete fires the first big salvo hitting Bernie about the culinary workers union from Las Vegas

Com’on Biden, speak up some.

Pete is doing well, his demeanor contrasts well against Sanders and lesser extent Warren.

[Jas_lov]

Warren is on fire tonight

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Warren is on fire tonight

She had some zingers.

Take a breath Liz, speak a little slower

[NobodyHere]

Well this has been the most entertaining start to a Democratic debate.

Bloomberg needs to start making more of an impact.

[ISiddiqui]

I can pretty easily find Obama quotes giving the Heritage Foundation credit for the core of the ACA if I need to

The exchange part yes (though I'd argue that's not the core of the ACA), but Heritage wanted the states to run the exchanges. Heritage's plan, fwiw, wouldn't have ended pre-existing conditions nor expanded Medicare (which the SCOTUS struck down) or the public option (which couldn't get enough support) nor support for the poor to buy insurance, nor had the individual mandate. The Heritage Plan was just a Health Care exchange without additional needed regulation.

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[Edward64]

Sanders seem to get the most taking time ... mods need to do a better job in sharing the wealth

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Bloomberg needs to start making more of an impact.

Yes. He spent $300M+ to get this far and not doing much

[ISiddiqui]

Biden is sharp tonight as well. Maybe since every one is going after Bloomberg, he can relax a bit?

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[NobodyHere]

That Bloomberg answer on tax return transparency was painful to listen to.

[Edward64]

He should just have said my taxes are being done and I will release them by x date

[Jas_lov]

This might be it for old Bloomberg. This is why you want him in the debate if you're the other candidates.

[ISiddiqui]

Warren came to play tonight. Sanders is on attack mode as well! Everyone is a bit chippy. It's kinda fun

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[panerd]

Bloomberg doesnt seem as polished as I think the mayor of New York would be. Never heard him speak before tonight.

[NobodyHere]

It's going to cost Bloomberg a LOT of money to recover from this.

[Edward64]

Bloomberg needs to go on the offense.

[Edward64]

Yeah Biden is pretty good tonight

[ISiddiqui]

Yeah Biden is pretty good tonight

I think he'll get some of that Bloomberg vote and bounce back a bit.

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[panerd]

Admit I havent watched many of this years debates bit it seems like every question is loaded and negative towards the candidates. Is this how every debate how gone?

[ISiddiqui]

Nope this is new. It's been much MUCH lighter touch then this.

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[ISiddiqui]

Holy fuck Biden! He's skewering Bloomberg!

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[Lathum]

Glad Warren spoke up for Klubuchar about the name thing. FFS she forgot a name, it happens. If anything Mayor Petes attack completely backfired and made her seem relateable. Who hasn't done that?

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by panerd

Admit I havent watched many of this years debates bit it seems like every question is loaded and negative towards the candidates. Is this how every debate how gone?

Not this round, but in 2016 the "gotcha" questions were all over the place, especially in the Republican debates.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I think he'll get some of that Bloomberg vote and bounce back a bit.

Yeah, if he continues like he's been doing, I agree.

He seems to be the most calm and adult-like up there so far and that appeals to me.

[ISiddiqui]

Oooff, Buttigieg misfired on that attack on Klobuchar. She unloaded on him.

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[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Glad Warren spoke up for Klubuchar about the name thing. FFS she forgot a name, it happens. If anything Mayor Petes attack completely backfired and made her seem relateable. Who hasn't done that?

I was thinking that Pete didn't have to go there. Pick on Sanders, Warren and Bloomberg but Amy isn't a threat.

[RedKingGold]

I mean...

https://twitter.com/natesilver538/st...770062849?s=21

[ISiddiqui]

Biden's "I'm the only one who's met the man" was hilarious.

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[Swaggs]

This one is tough to watch. Too many moderators and no one is looking very presidential to me.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Oooff, Buttigieg misfired on that attack on Klobuchar. She unloaded on him.

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The Mondale line seemed like one he’d been waiting to use, but she swatted it away like she knew it was coming.

[Atocep]

There's a lot of people that don't want Bloomerberg to win and think it was BS he got into this debate. This debate may end up killing any chance he had of winning and is the best thing to happen to Biden's campaign in a few weeks.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

This one is tough to watch. Too many moderators and no one is looking very presidential to me.

The Trump effect.

[Edward64]

It’s kinda funny that whenever Sanders raises/lowers his hand Warren follows.

[Edward64]

Bloomberg saying he’s the only that started a business and everyone else staying quiet was great. Keep on attacking!

[NobodyHere]

Bloomberg busts out the "C" word on Sanders

[panerd]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Bloomberg busts out the "C" word on Sanders

I thought it was pretty funny but I also think sanders is over the top.