Trump Indictment/Trial thread-2023

[Thomkal]

Okay now that they have been revealed, lets move the discussion to the new thread.

[SirFozzie]

Honestly, one of the first things I'd do if I had a time machine is to take a bunch of 80's "Republicans are the party of Law and order" folks to the modern day, and show them these quotes. Just to watch their heads explode.

Again, if you had someone say "This is secret. I could've declassified it but didn't, so it's still a secret" about a plan to attack a foreign nation in a TV show, no one would buy it because people aren't that DUMB to incriminate themselves so casually.

But they are.

[GrantDawg]

What level of classification is so secret that the level had to be redacted?

[SirFozzie]

Probably Codeword related.

[JPhillips]

FFS

Gobsmacking. Trump gift-wraps every element of the crime in about a 20 second conversation. pic.twitter.com/rOw6RIX6xK

— Radley Balko (@radleybalko) June 9, 2023

[RainMaker]

Good lord that indictment is about as damning as you'll ever see. Average citizen would spend the rest of their life in prison if they did that.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Good lord that indictment is about as damning as you'll ever see. Average citizen would spend the rest of their life in prison if they did that.

But Obama once jaywalked and didn't get a ticket, so Trump should obviously go free.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

What level of classification is so secret that the level had to be redacted?

Any that use a codeword. They've had to change classification codewords multiple times because they keep leaking. I think Clancy leaked some by using them in one of his books at one point, IIRC.

[Galaril]

But her emails!

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/s...67938141466630

[RainMaker]

Also, you know the stuff is incredibly top secret when even the control is being redacted.

[Lathum]

Going on record. Not only will he do zero jail time he will get off scott free. No chance there isn't at least one die hard MAGA on that jury who will wreck things.

[Ksyrup]

By contrast to the leftist-dominated FBI we know that wokeness has already been killed in Florida, where woke goes to die, so this South Florida federal grand jury is 100% certified non-woke. https://t.co/qazdLEGIHP

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 9, 2023

[CrimsonFox]

*sniff*
Always special when our threads grow up and have a thread of their own.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Going on record. Not only will he do zero jail time he will get off scott free. No chance there isn't at least one die hard MAGA on that jury who will wreck things.

You just keep moving the goal posts on this-before it was the DOJ will never indict him, which now has happened, so maybe have a little faith.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

*sniff*
Always special when our threads grow up and have a thread of their own.

heh

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

*sniff*
Always special when our threads grow up and have a thread of their own.

"When a mommy thread and a daddy thread really love each other, then...."

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

You just keep moving the goal posts on this-before it was the DOJ will never indict him, which now has happened, so maybe have a little faith.

I don’t recall saying he won’t be indicted but also don’t doubt I would. I’m not moving the goalposts. I have stayed perfectly consistent every time this comes up. It’s not about where in the process he slithers away, it’s about the fact he will never be held accountable. So far Ive been correct.

[RainMaker]

I admit I did not see an indictment for this coming months ago. What happens next is anyone's guess. I still find it hard to believe he'd end up in prison, even though that indictment is incredibly damning. This could drag on for years and years.

So many variables in play. You need just one fervent supporter on the jury. Or a judge he appointed.

If the rumors about him being charged for J6 and in Georgia for election interference, I could even see him just leaving the country altogether.

[GrantDawg]

Asa Hutchinson has called for Trump to leave the race "for the good of the cluntry." Not a surprising Republican to do that, but at least there is one.

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[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I admit I did not see an indictment for this coming months ago. What happens next is anyone's guess. I still find it hard to believe he'd end up in prison, even though that indictment is incredibly damning. This could drag on for years and years.

So many variables in play. You need just one fervent supporter on the jury. Or a judge he appointed.

If the rumors about him being charged for J6 and in Georgia for election interference, I could even see him just leaving the country altogether.

It does look like the indictment in Georgia will drop sometime during the first 2 weeks in August. From what I read the prosecutor there has asked for no trials to be added those weeks, for extra police in the area between the court house and her office during that time period, and has told her staff they'll be teleworking in August.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

one of the first things I'd do if I had a time machine is to take a bunch of 80's "Republicans are the party of Law and order" folks to the modern day, and show them these quotes. Just to watch their heads explode.

As someone who was one of those people in the 90s and to a lesser extent still am, I'll state for the record that I want Trump prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law on this stuff, and yesterday.

Of course, I didn't vote for him anyway and you're right about how most of those who did will react, but whatever conservatism used to stand for, one of those things is you don't tolerate this kind of nonsense in any way, shape, or form. My brother mentioned today that his new campaign slogan should be Make Trump Immune Again.

[bob]

Originally Posted by Atocep

It does look like the indictment in Georgia will drop sometime during the first 2 weeks in August. From what I read the prosecutor there has asked for no trials to be added those weeks, for extra police in the area between the court house and her office during that time period, and has told her staff they'll be teleworking in August.

As a Fulton county resident, I want no part of being on that jury.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Honestly, one of the first things I'd do if I had a time machine is to take a bunch of 80's "Republicans are the party of Law and order" folks to the modern day, and show them these quotes. Just to watch their heads explode.

Again, if you had someone say "This is secret. I could've declassified it but didn't, so it's still a secret" about a plan to attack a foreign nation in a TV show, no one would buy it because people aren't that DUMB to incriminate themselves so casually.

But they are.

Reagan and others in his administration committed treason. Far worse crimes than Trump is accused of. They let bankers run wild for decades committing financial crimes.

The law and order party was always just a dogwhistle. They don't mean law and order for themselves.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

If the rumors about him being charged for J6 and in Georgia for election interference, I could even see him just leaving the country altogether.

Wife and I at dinner tonight were discussing this. She isn't a big political person but is wicked smart. She asked about him being a flight risk. How can he not be, dude has his own plane and unlimited resource. That being said as the leading republican candidate they can't exactly jail him or put him under house arrest.

It really is crazy because if that was any of us we would be behind bars awaiting trial.

[albionmoonlight]

He’s not going to run to Russia. Running is admitting defeat. He does not back down. He doubles down.

[GrantDawg]

https://twitter.com/McJesse/status/1...lIncJK0Bg&s=19

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[Lathum]

Thats amazing

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

FFS

Gobsmacking. Trump gift-wraps every element of the crime in about a 20 second conversation. pic.twitter.com/rOw6RIX6xK

— Radley Balko (@radleybalko) June 9, 2023

please show your work

[molson]

I felt a little dirty about it, but I went to FoxNews.com, just curious what the headline story would be, and its was a recap of some analyst's appearance on the network saying that "the other prosecution was just a political hackjob, but this one is a different story and serious and damning shit".

[RainMaker]

Uhhhhhh pic.twitter.com/Rc4xhoSIMr

— Lorie Liebig (@lorieliebig) June 9, 2023

[CrimsonFox]

[CrimsonFox]

Tweeted it!

[Thomkal]

Yeah Ari Melber showed several clips of him yesterday during campaign rallies saying that about classified information. I guess no one but him because he is the law.

[Ksyrup]

Putting aside the charges for a moment, the tweets by Trump, Biggs and Higgins that I've seen should be throwing up red flags everywhere. They are very J6-like and take a military tone. I'm sure people will just blow it off as cosplay and riling up the rubes, but regardless of what anyone thinks of Trump or these charges, the fact that after J6 we have Congressmen publicly making those kinds of statements is insane to me. And they do it because they know they have no accountability. It's all upside for the grift/true believer engagement.

Edit: and of course I see Kari Lake has joined in the "fun."

[CrimsonFox]

[Toddzilla]

Wow. Disney+ changed the ending of Raiders of the Lost Ark... pic.twitter.com/JWWLTs9CYt

— Jesse McLaren (@McJesse) June 9, 2023

[Atocep]

I've been reading some analysis of the indictment. It sounds like what Jack Smith did is lawyer porn. A lot of attorneys I've seen comment on it are impressed with how thorough, detailed, and well written this indictment is while keeping it easy to read and understand from a general public perspective. I've also seen multiple comment on how easy to prove a case like this is and how Trump is very likely screwed unless we get some judge or jury weirdness.

The J6 stuff is going to be much more difficult to handle from an indictment and getting a jury to understand the specifics of it standpoint. They really need Meadows' cooperation there.

[GrantDawg]

This should be the answer for anyone that asks "Why Trump and not Hillary or Pence?"

“the indictment does not charge Trump with the illegal retention of any of the 197 documents he returned to the archives.” This point should be the first thing you say to a MAGA on the topic of the indictment.

— Indicted Donald (@indicteddonald) June 11, 2023

[molson]

This point should be the first thing you say to a MAGA on the topic of the indictment.

That sounds too exhausting to even attempt.

[flere-imsaho]

If you talked to a MAGA, you should just make shit up about Trump. It's not like they're going to fact-check anyway.

"He made it so that 1/3 of social security payments now go to people in Russia."

[Ksyrup]

Trump faces 37-count indictment. Why are we holding him accountable?

[PilotMan]

'If you want to die in jail, keep talking' – two national security law experts discuss the special treatment for Trump and offer him some advice

[albionmoonlight]

After bunch of GOPers get on record with their "political prosecution is bad" talking point, Tricky Don changes the script and is now arguing that political prosecution is good, actually:

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Trump faces 37-count indictment. Why are we holding him accountable?

A little forced in places but amusing

[Lathum]

dola- MAGAs really do make it so easy to mock them.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

'If you want to die in jail, keep talking' – two national security law experts discuss the special treatment for Trump and offer him some advice

: Trump’s insistence on keeping talking about this creates a record that would justify isolation in maximum security on the basis that “We can’t trust this man not to continue to talk. We can’t trust him not to further share these secrets with people who may wish to do harm with them. The only way to avoid that is to put him in isolation in supermax where he doesn’t get to talk with people, except under these extremely closely monitored circumstances, certainly isn’t in a general population situation, gets to take a walk in a courtyard for one hour out of the 24 hours of the day, and the other 23 hours, leaving him mostly without human contact.”

God I hope this happens

[Ksyrup]

It's all fantasyland talk of him going to jail, but you know Trump would be talking so much shit, holding court with all of these prisoners, promising things, etc. He'd make the most of the situation and, if he can't be King of America, he'll crown himself King of Cellblock A.

[Lathum]

‘I Want Blood’: Heavily-Armed Trump Supporters Say They’ll Protest Trump’s Indictment

[Atocep]

Sounds like Trump is having a really difficult time finding an attorney to represent him on this. David Markus turned him down, although I'm not sure what made Trump think he'd be interested to begin with.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Sounds like Trump is having a really difficult time finding an attorney to represent him on this. David Markus turned him down, although I'm not sure what made Trump think he'd be interested to begin with.

I'd represent him and take the loss...but then again whoever fails this trial will get attacked tho.

But seriously...they should just appoint him one.