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Old 03-25-2007, 09:09 AM   #1
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OOTP Re-Writes History

My other computer is currently replaying the 106 sesaons of MLB history.

It started last night at 11:15 and is still churning, making almanacs and the like. The Anti-Virus kicked on at 8 and turned a season being done in ten minutes to a season in 20. It was doing '76 an hour ago.

I did a 95 year run yesterday, but I'll explain later why I didn't like it.

For historical folks, what would you like to know?

(I'll give you my settings after I eat.)
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Old 03-25-2007, 09:13 AM   #2
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Old 03-25-2007, 09:38 AM   #3
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The first sim:

1901-1995: Ultimate draft, full 2006 financials, ammy draft every November. Re-calc every season.

Best hitter: Ted Williams, 728 HR, 3992 hits, 1936-1961 Giants, Red Sox

Best Pitcher: Warren Spahn, 370+ wins for a variety of teams.

No real dynasties, Cleveland won 15 WS, and dominated the late 70's and 80's with John Candeleria as the ace.

Numbers seem low. Babe and Aaron had low 600+ HR. No one over 4000 hits. No one stole 100+ bases a season.

Good variability. Mays and Brock CEI early. Koufax pitches until '78, all time K leader and over 300 wins, all with the A's (55-78).

Washington has the cruel irony award, they won titles in '60 and '71 only to see the franchise move.

The expansion Senators won it all in seven seasons, (1967).

The Yankees blow. The Cubs won a title in '76.

McGwire and Bonds were on the way for massive careers, Mac at 450 homers after 10 seasons, easily would have smashed Williams 728.

Simmed it in about 5 hours, went to do the almanac and despite taking forever to do the history part, it did not make any pages for retired players. They were listed in leaderboards, team registers and the like, but there was no way to read each career on an individual basis, very frustrating.

So, started again with the all-nighter. Box scores, game logs, html for everything.
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Old 03-25-2007, 10:47 AM   #4
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Speeding along to '84, killed the anti-virus.

What kind of things are you looking for?

(Scott Pose, hah!)
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Old 03-25-2007, 10:53 AM   #5
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Old 03-25-2007, 10:58 AM   #6
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Dwight Gooden, Daryl Strawberry?

I am always curious to see how guys work out whose careers were cut short based on injury or other outside reasons.

Thurman Munson is another that comes to mind.
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Old 03-25-2007, 11:09 AM   #7
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Jeff Bagwell?
Craig Biggio?
Glenn Davis?
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Old 03-25-2007, 11:16 AM   #8
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The almanac interface needs to be redone. You get absolutely no team history, that I can find, done by default.

Up to '85 now.
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Old 03-25-2007, 11:21 AM   #9
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bub...what about Tony C?
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Old 03-25-2007, 11:24 AM   #10
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Also, how about the mediocre El Pasoans who made it to MLB in real life, did they far any better in OOTP?

Rocky Coppinger
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Old 03-25-2007, 11:38 AM   #11
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Going through the Almanacs, despite the re-calcs, there are some surprises.

I still haven't found Babe Ruth yet. Cobb suffers injuries for the Cubs.

Koufax pitches til '73 but was never incredible.
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Old 03-25-2007, 11:43 AM   #12
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Can you see how many games Cal Ripken played in a row?
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Old 03-25-2007, 11:51 AM   #13
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Can you see how many games Cal Ripken played in a row?


Ripken, thru '86, has never played more than 151 games in a season with the Cardinals.

He is, however, an excellent shortstop.
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Old 03-25-2007, 11:55 AM   #14
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bub...what about Tony C?



He ripped his shoulder in '72. When I run the history report at the end, I will pin him down further.
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Old 03-25-2007, 12:19 PM   #15
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He ripped his shoulder in '72. When I run the history report at the end, I will pin him down further.

damm. ok
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Old 03-25-2007, 12:25 PM   #16
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It's taking longer to run the almanacs than the seasons themselves, just into 1990.

Strawberry and Ken Phelps are studs.
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Old 03-25-2007, 01:55 PM   #17
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How much disk space is that taking up?
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Old 03-25-2007, 02:10 PM   #18
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How much disk space is that taking up?

I'm afraid to look.


I honestly thought this would be done by noon, we are on '95.
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Old 03-25-2007, 02:36 PM   #19
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We'll be burning this on DVD, 1994 weighs in at 150 mb
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Old 03-25-2007, 02:51 PM   #20
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(As a braves fan) What's the longest straight streak of division wins? That may be too hard to figure out...
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Old 03-25-2007, 02:53 PM   #21
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(As a braves fan) What's the longest straight streak of division wins? That may be too hard to figure out...


Once this is done, I should be able to answer that.

Home stretch now, '98.
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Old 03-25-2007, 03:26 PM   #22
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I still want to hear about Pose...though I know he's just now playing.
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Old 03-25-2007, 03:56 PM   #24
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Old 03-25-2007, 04:09 PM   #25
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through '01 now
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Old 03-25-2007, 05:25 PM   #26
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That must mean Scott Pose's career is over.
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Old 03-25-2007, 05:36 PM   #27
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Old 03-25-2007, 05:40 PM   #28
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Old 03-25-2007, 05:41 PM   #29
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Old 03-25-2007, 05:48 PM   #30
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How about Tony Gwynn, Wade Boggs, and Dickie Thon?
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Old 03-25-2007, 05:49 PM   #31
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DONE!

Red Sox 12 World Championships.

White Sox 30 Post-seasons.

Barry Bonds- 765 career HR, 64 is high.

Rogers Hornsby, 4226 career hits.

Lou Gehrig hit .358

Jose Canseco 2428 k's.
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Old 03-25-2007, 06:02 PM   #32
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Babe Ruth was released by the Yankees in 1914, playing half a year. That's it.

I'm going to run one final almanac then start working on your requests.

I think the "what if" gamer will be mightily impressed by replaying history.
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Old 03-25-2007, 06:32 PM   #33
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Ripken, thru '86, has never played more than 151 games in a season with the Cardinals.

He is, however, an excellent shortstop.

How many times did morons vote him to the All-Star team despite having a terrible season?
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Old 03-25-2007, 07:23 PM   #34
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Old 03-25-2007, 07:36 PM   #35
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Did he even make it to the majors? If not, he won't be in the replay.
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doubtful, but I saw Todd Van Poppel and got inspired
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Hank Aaron1951-1974303511780180333804821225872023216799721436.287.339.498.837806.6
Jake Beckley1888-1905196777171371240137819176131429145504575.311.365.439.804127.0
Wade Boggs1981-200027881040716633431668421491455117601484742.330.410.445.855914.7
Jim Bottomley1919-193721758005133425644998928415208942712570.320.374.511.886605.8
George Brett1970-19922884110181700335366213436617872791151105917.304.365.488.854890.4
Jesse Burkett1890-191124749102168628673271655910164441521111893.315.393.407.799-6.3
Jose Canseco1982-200226849237148123933424453615241054610212428.259.338.480.818326.2
Rod Carew1963-198526821025214733065446107110109436817211041205.299.365.396.761606.4
Will Clark1984-2004297710828174932046445141616261264313671875.296.377.480.857804.4
Roberto Clemente1952-197421757712915235136466182102662334011132.305.338.440.778383.3
Ty Cobb1904-19322945111731837367860730112015417014311412763.329.404.470.874945.4
Mickey Cochrane1924-193919497531129223214361001511115108631085404.308.394.453.847604.2
Eddie Collins1907-19262248848915372770443175419976334921189559.326.410.434.844695.7
Cecil Cooper1971-1985198576511049230540162252119710849493860.301.341.469.810473.3
George S Davis1890-19072180851214572587416165791338526102799633.304.367.419.787157.4
Ed Delahanty1888-1903182874731559257354017691142851974763595.344.411.500.911174.7
Bill Dickey1928-19492607942214062843490722211462108391007682.302.369.439.808628.0
Mike Donlin1899-19142122826711412531375192891038544405714684.306.361.430.792473.9
Hugh Duffy1888-1905193872661448226235012995125949784668554.311.371.434.80532.1
Bibb Falk1920-19392111761111082352436911119976138731518.309.369.434.803279.4
Jack Fournier1912-192921387660128123664021371951205162149939629.309.388.473.862599.7
Jimmie Foxx1923-19472862104281721295648511242317431207015541807.283.374.473.847839.9
Frankie Frisch1918-1935175066591017202231813699854312166515288.304.353.437.789356.3
Charlie Gehringer1923-19412191773713852393448129148111420977995399.309.388.458.846648.2
Goose Goslin1920-193723099167166230285431862581635226140957589.330.392.515.907667.1
Mark Grace1987-200222337481113223164894215710239140997642.310.390.449.840468.5
Hank Greenberg1928-1952305210336191028874979455520091674816631812.279.377.507.884691.4
Stan Hack1931-19472197804913852429409120749052451231098561.302.385.410.795480.3
Billy Hamilton1890-19092252790718492490286944784310571781531771.315.430.393.82314.2
Harry Heilmann1912-19322347899414012732537126171127113489875724.304.364.449.813473.7
Rogers Hornsby1914-193933301312622094227692232348201624317914591246.322.389.490.8791285.6
Joe Jackson1907-19282012760714222593452232801232485301952561.341.415.493.908803.5
Joe Judge1915-193122898331148125254661919511113141561007473.303.378.439.817469.1
Willie Keeler1892-1907154261021264215319411025729445109352447.353.396.433.82926.6
George Kell1943-1965279510980144931214829116811878235886606.284.339.391.729390.6
Joe Kelley1891-19071879704013512139361179641139525111868759.304.386.433.81937.5
Chuck Klein1927-194017536768124722243536231112349129691499.329.389.537.926701.8
Nap Lajoie1896-19131769703910992231418146641059327164369799.317.358.445.803324.8
Mickey Mantle1948-19743174107921957300736994602187322510820112404.279.390.498.888924.1
Heinie Manush1920-19391933719712032373416142135108117167480364.330.373.483.856401.3
Fred McGriff1986-20012269783914442306340275151529893713621628.294.397.542.939741.2
Stuffy McInnis1909-19271965674688620292229028686225149303341.301.332.373.705271.6
Johnny Mize1935-1953249191431655281241079481182553331300732.308.394.528.921909.6
Paul Molitor1976-19972638103511491302355612021112574921979191313.292.349.430.779674.7
Joe Morgan1963-19852611940416782632400139259126777329518411046.280.396.435.831917.2
Stan Musial1937-1963282910632192234746091424521872129611417625.327.404.538.9431171.5
Buddy Myer1924-1942193273601299224842613047894214108979428.305.387.418.804493.4
Tony Oliva1960-197621397833110023683558127110589551461707.302.345.472.817521.8
Al Orth1895-1911489137215538653151014820431174.281.299.364.66248.3
Mel Ott1925-19462542930618152825374675201827102321598829.304.405.526.931898.9
Johnny Pesky1939-19562321850812742583406886192210763924413.304.372.394.765469.0
Sam Rice1916-193219356725999212234314547893257134479291.316.361.431.791269.2
Frank Robinson1952-19752642100521635277040510952716561896611641680.276.360.495.855807.4
Edd Roush1912-1930204473421072220836017174995304190539367.301.347.427.774278.4
Joe Sewell1919-193621978296124825184561055310107231947281.304.376.403.779407.9
Al Simmons1923-19391907734612162438412103215125210445508651.332.373.504.877544.6
Tris Speaker1906-192922898509146727655252218314104112721078490.325.402.468.869731.2
Riggs Stephenson1920-1934188374201102230142696749938345704452.310.371.423.794390.6
Darryl Strawberry1980-1999246583521464221935659516156924710012992015.266.366.508.874696.0
Bill Terry1924-1938187870841177233441779178115210549611463.329.381.486.867540.9
George Van Haltren1887-190419767715151224212911465697751271864684.314.385.411.79656.5
Mo Vaughn1988-20032355849214802488384325141568622710132052.293.376.527.903653.0
Bobby Veach1911-1929196267541062213439515666944204128555324.316.368.450.818374.6
Honus Wagner1897-19152395905013802808486233761218636410820982.310.372.441.813500.5
Curt Walker1920-19362109754612692384391146126115716495981418.316.392.457.848451.7
Dixie Walker1932-194920247325111322234468113210926638883414.303.376.441.817380.2
Paul Waner1925-1944223781661352260847214096110114266979398.319.391.447.838492.3
Zack Wheat1908-19262333862012412667479149991162219150648608.309.359.434.793476.4
Ted Williams1935-1963328811068249135445441176702115934527791129.320.455.5721.0271705.0
Carl Yastrzemski1958-1981320811397173432035668939216511548717481368.281.375.450.825773.1
Pitchers
PlayerFrom-ToWLPctERAGCGSHOSVIPHERBBSOVORP
Pete Alexander1909-1930333295.5303.176995383625806.05885204312842155940.7
Red Ames1902-1920246269.4782.775884124334805.14329147917842462561.6
Chief Bender1901-1922294261.5302.8577440529364968.24772157514602402660.9
Bert Blyleven1968-1992271299.4753.488221963315167.05111200014833673736.8
Jim Buchanan1904-1919229204.5292.644653753723889.2374811398081158510.7
Steve Carlton1963-1985316248.5602.9873025033135310.245151756185140661040.3
Eddie Cicotte1907-1922229212.5193.084913402024019.13937137613591596488.5
Ray Collins1908-1923239168.5873.024353472703708.03790124410231426503.7
Wilbur Cooper1913-1928240232.5083.3667631625184277.24516159512531469540.5
Paul Derringer1930-1946250211.5423.325263372404307.04355158810421734786.5
Whitey Ford1946-1967206185.5273.495091701643605.03344139712442360461.9
Larry French1928-1946261193.5753.285532883444217.04180153711301655829.4
Bob Gibson1956-1974250214.5393.505582922804335.24011168417203385578.4
Lefty Grove1924-1939277184.6013.275013402614160.04158151213712482864.5
Larry Jackson1950-1974304240.5593.5372727437285085.14901199213162456677.8
Ferguson Jenkins1961-1981226210.5183.486022012664020.0396515538902681509.6
Tommy John1960-1982320209.6053.006652013505044.14536168313712641923.0
Walter Johnson1906-1928301304.4983.136525063815547.25530193116513016626.4
Addie Joss1901-1916222256.4642.835174002444219.1431013278321416456.2
Jim Kaat1956-1981343258.5713.278442164035320.05152193012472975781.7
Juan Marichal1956-1975273191.5882.955502984304419.1406514479802933881.6
Rube Marquard1908-1924251219.5342.925363903024321.24217140311901910641.3
Christy Mathewson1900-1918270287.4852.576054963925059.24707144610842379683.8
Jon Matlack1966-1986212174.5493.495891651943647.03503141510502161527.1
Art Nehf1914-1930238173.5793.284983032743830.03824139610541219606.7
Kid Nichols1890-1908351213.6222.9664249943204951.1491116261309175754.8
Eddie Plank1901-1916312223.5832.585694595304922.14517140914332502696.8
Jack Powell1897-1912307217.5862.715554755004745.24459143111811761490.6
Jack Quinn1908-1923233209.5273.004943122534021.24021134010811524607.4
J.R. Richard1970-1988253183.5803.005671473314182.23496139319973925868.4
Eppa Rixey1911-1930238222.5173.3753634424104159.04360155710831307682.5
Bruce Robbins1977-1999247194.5603.4361519403859.13684147113493003741.3
Steve Rogers1970-1985208150.5813.244631533333263.13021117610741758617.6
Amos Rusie1889-1902245174.5853.064783903053785.23394128717281936-3.5
Tom Seaver1965-1981229163.5842.994982254303743.13278124311803013654.7
Curt Simmons1947-1967282169.6253.026102063344194.03949140911472318849.1
Lee Smith1977-19968198.4532.961050005431202.110593954531079281.4
Warren Spahn1939-1964262273.4903.7166939035104919.14875203014672435770.0
Jim St. Vrain1901-1919284233.5492.5759442744114833.04296138214202403621.1
Elmer Steele1906-1923202218.4813.0651234122113837.0395413049101116446.8
Don Sutton1963-1984312231.5753.236392633804948.14615177412363358746.9
Jesse Tannehill1894-1908226165.5782.574213453053522.2342210076481181312.8
Luis Tiant1961-1979208177.5403.27584961943588.23217130311572468511.5
Dazzy Vance1922-1934239152.6113.434733103573613.13500137610482149676.2
Rube Waddell1897-1919229199.5352.415483664833940.13323105411652663504.0
Ed Walsh1903-1913211151.5832.403863003703368.229878988481920511.3
Cy Young1890-1906379256.5972.856895804585649.25747178910552064229.9
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Who the hell is Bruce Robbins?
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Bruce Robbins 1977-1999 247 194 .560 3.43 615 19 4 0 3859.1 3684 1471 1349 3003 741.3

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Who the hell is Bruce Robbins?

I think he's married to Susan Sarandon.
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The thing that stood out to me in that almanac posting was Jose Canseco's 151 steal attempts over his 20+ year career. Now, that's something else.
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Here's one for you vtbub -- any teams pulling off a worst-to-first turnaround ala the Braves (and IIRC, the Twins)?

And just for fun, another player -- Brad Komminsk.
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The thing that stood out to me in that almanac posting was Jose Canseco's 151 steal attempts over his 20+ year career. Now, that's something else.


The fact that Canseco made the HOFs astounding.
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The fact that Canseco made the HOFs astounding.
I know that people are no longer praising batting average like they did in the past, but wow. After a quick glance, it appears that Canseco had the lowest batting average of every player in that HoF there. I guess it's all the home runs that put him there. I can't imagine what else it would be.
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Career Batting Stats
Year/Team/LeagueAgeGABH2B3BHRRBIRBBHPSFKSBCSAVGOBPSLGOPSVORP
1985 Chicago - ML248117441805223018234423.236.310.368.677-6.2
1986 Chicago - ML252529610014200620.207.258.241.499-1.7
1988 Chicago - ML273891226114115011721.242.278.363.641-0.1
1989 Chicago - ML28103237598211452831246095.249.336.439.77511.0
1990 Chicago - ML291313298015310294636209250.243.322.398.7202.4
Total ML5 yrs.378860208386271011199268219209.242.317.394.7115.5
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Year/Team/LeagueAgeGABH2B3BHRRBIRBBHPSFKSBCSAVGOBPSLGOPSVORP
1991 Atlanta - ML2427233101210001100.130.130.304.435-2.2
1996 Atlanta - ML2960922260010106011602.239.283.304.587-6.3
1997 Atlanta - ML3050477200153001400.149.200.191.391-6.7
1998 Tampa Bay - ML317216851606302317322832.304.374.446.8206.9
1999 Tampa Bay - ML32919620026401400.316.417.421.8381.1
2000 Tampa Bay - ML33918400243200500.222.300.556.8560.7
Total ML6 yrs.227367931709494832347834.253.315.373.689-6.6
Career Minor League Batting Stats
Year/Team/LeagueAgeGABH2B3BHRRBIRBBHPSFKSBCSAVGOBPSLGOPSVORP
Career Postseason Batting Stats
Year/Team/LeagueAgeGABH2B3BHRRBIRBBHPSFKSBCSAVGOBPSLGOPSVORP
1996 Atlanta - ML2911000000000000.000.000.000.0000.0
Total ML
11000000000000.000.000.000.0000.0
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Year/Team/LeagueAgeGABH2B3BHRRBIRBBHPSFKSBCSAVGOBPSLGOPSVORP
1970 New York - ML191029501112100401.172.200.345.545-1.9
1972 New York - ML21581423343110811111733.232.290.324.6141.5
1973 New York - ML22130558183306129587344641149.328.367.468.83548.5
1974 New York - ML2352222621010142711221822.279.316.333.6503.6
1975 New York - ML2414259519740397881434328134.331.378.454.83258.5
1976 New York - ML251495751712827646038653212.297.345.390.73429.8
1977 New York - ML26137541173348158992341055651.320.368.495.86350.4
1978 New York - ML271506041591910199070315360143.263.303.422.72520.7
1979 Cincinnati - ML281475701732381978994475464210.304.358.472.83048.6
1980 Cincinnati - ML291506201753381472924439402610.282.328.429.75737.4
1981 Cincinnati - ML30122482124233106358246735124.257.297.380.67611.3
1982 Cincinnati - ML311526171742451360763721055205.282.320.400.72022.6
1983 Montreal - ML3215356016327217966641783442.291.343.438.78025.2
1984 Montreal - ML33123333881438404019663701.264.310.396.70712.5
1985 Montreal - ML3485249641736203413232830.257.296.422.7189.7
1986 Montreal - ML351122367611111463726413100.322.397.517.91424.6
1987 Montreal - ML3612432198141115644281013331.305.378.458.83621.2
1988 Montreal - ML371293669515110584824355801.260.307.388.6955.2
Total ML18 yrs.2125762022133666918310301021503828065316259.290.338.429.766429.5
Career Minor League Batting Stats
Year/Team/LeagueAgeGABH2B3BHRRBIRBBHPSFKSBCSAVGOBPSLGOPSVORP
Career Postseason Batting Stats
Year/Team/LeagueAgeGABH2B3BHRRBIRBBHPSFKSBCSAVGOBPSLGOPSVORP
1973 New York - ML22519810043100200.421.450.474.9240.0
1986 Montreal - ML3547100121200100.143.333.571.9050.0
1987 Montreal - ML3633200132000000.667.6671.6672.3330.0
Total ML
12291110296300300.379.438.6211.0580.0
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