Werewolf XXXVIII: Jack The Ripper (GAME OVER! GOOD WINS ON DAY SEVEN)

[Fouts]

I am also suspicous of anyone who claims no night actions. I am just about a nobody, and I have, at least, a choice of visiting a prostitute.

I am not against changing my vote to st. cronin.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by path12

I believe it's been confirmed a couple times already. I agree it certainly makes me not want to vote Fouts.

I hate to read big things into day 1 comments, but it struck me that st.cronin seemed surprised that people got night 0 info. It's likely not anything, but it's somewhat better than random.....I thought it was obvious that there could have been a lot going on last night, so any surprise makes me wonder if they have a different role.

Vote st.cronin

This is incorrect. I was merely saying that my best guess as to what role hoopsguy was hinting at, it didn't make any sense for him to hint at it. I was simply pointing out what I thought was an odd play.

I have said that I did not get any information last night, but of course some people got information last night. That's what night 0 is for, to allow certain roles to get a jump on the rest of us.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Fouts

See, that is what I thought at first. After rereading it, it looks like blade is suspicious of Barkeep for going after hoops so early.

The comments barkeep made were suspicious, but knowing barkeep, for him to go after hoopsguy on day 1 is suprising to me. So i take it as more then just a random day 1 vote...which side is evil, i dont know..but i at least felt it seemed anything but random

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Hoopsguy said he was "on the side of angels," and barkeep said he didnt think that was entirely true...to me that means he saying hoopsguy isnt good, or at least not an angel. You can draw your own conclusions from it, i have one that i dont care to share yet, but putting pressure on the only one of the two here(barkeep is awol) will hopefully net us some more information

One can argue that none of us are angels. Most are prostitues, or people who visit prostitutes.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I have said that I did not get any information last night, but of course some people got information last night. That's what night 0 is for, to allow certain roles to get a jump on the rest of us.

Wrong.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Fouts

I am also suspicous of anyone who claims no night actions. I am just about a nobody, and I have, at least, a choice of visiting a prostitute.

I am not against changing my vote to st. cronin.

Where have I said I have no night actions?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Fouts

I'm not sure what you're getting at. It looked like hoops was giving incomplete information, on purpose, and Barkeep was pointing it out. Barkeep then gave what looked like an obligatory Day 1 vote on hoops.

Am I missing something important?

Not from my perspective. My plans got canceled so I'm around for the night after all.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Wrong.

Oh, ok. What information did I get last night?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Wrong.

Night 0, in general, is a game period in which players with actions can gain information. I have never seen one where players were killed, so i would agree that night 0 is a time for players to get a jump start on gaining information.

While im not a fan of most of cronin's comments here-to-fore, that one in particular threw up no red flags for me. Care to elaborate?

[hoopsguy]

Blade, you got your wish - Barkeep is now viewing the thread as well. So you can ask him directly about his vote, or ask me to provide additional information.

But I do have to leave in about 10 minutes and I'll be watching the Illini game this evening. So if you want new info from me before about 9PM CST I would ask that you ask quickly.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Fouts

I am also suspicous of anyone who claims no night actions. I am just about a nobody, and I have, at least, a choice of visiting a prostitute.

I am not against changing my vote to st. cronin.

So why do you want to visit a prostitute? You don't have to answer this if you don't want, but I was wondering what would make someone visit a whore.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Oh, ok. What information did I get last night?

You said night 0 was for certain roles to get a jump on the rest of us. I said that was wrong. I am a regular joe and I had night actions on night 0.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

So why do you want to visit a prostitute? You don't have to answer this if you don't want, but I was wondering what would make someone visit a whore.

To know who is on the side of the "good".

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, you got your wish - Barkeep is now viewing the thread as well. So you can ask him directly about his vote, or ask me to provide additional information.

But I do have to leave in about 10 minutes and I'll be watching the Illini game this evening. So if you want new info from me before about 9PM CST I would ask that you ask quickly.

To be honest, i dont want to ask you a thing. For the time being im going to work under the assumption i know what role your playing and worry about other things in the short run. I would very much like to lean more about barkeep, and i figured with him gone you could help me there. With him back, you have fun watching the illini.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Fouts

You said night 0 was for certain roles to get a jump on the rest of us. I said that was wrong. I am a regular joe and I had night actions on night 0.

To expand, I believe everyone has night actions in this game. I'm sure my small role is duplicated, so my death is a small matter compared to one of the named roles.

[st.cronin]

So far I have been accused of claiming to be surprised that people had night actions, which I never said, and that I claimed to have no night actions, which I never said.

So people are voting for me based on things I never said.

All I have ever said is that I got no information last night, and that people who did get information should share it.

[hoopsguy]

Just as a point of clarification, I did not see Fouts at all last night. So when I suggested not voting for him, it was because I think the 5 shillings comment is easily verifiable either today or tomorrow at latest. It would be a dumb lie for a good player to be caught in on Day 1.

So I would prefer not voting for Fouts, me, or three other players. Right now there is a total of one vote spread across those other three players.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Fouts

You said night 0 was for certain roles to get a jump on the rest of us. I said that was wrong. I am a regular joe and I had night actions on night 0.

What makes you think "regular joe" is not a "certain role"?

[dubb93]

Barring a Barkeep role reveal I do not think it is a good idea to vote Hoops today. I think there is enough information out there to make a solid guess as to his role.

[hoopsguy]

I'll put a vote on someone who is not on my list of trust right now and who did not in any way identify himself upon his arrival. Beyond that, there is no real reason for suspicion - there are about six people who fit the above profile.

I don't think people should take this with any more weight than I'm suggesting. I've got a slightly better chance on a random guess than some other players in the game right now but that is it.

VOTE SWAGGS

[dubb93]

And with that I'm out until probably after the deadline. Time to go back to work. I'm sticking with my Saldana vote, its random, but thats all I feel like we got at this point.

[Alan T]

Caught up on the day. Its moved a bit slower than I expected it to. Not sure on why things were fairly quiet today.

Just from my initial reading of day 1, this is my feelings on people so far.



Feel ok:

Fouts
BrianD
Raiders Army

Leaning to ok:
Hoops
Path

Leaning to not ok:
St.Cronin
Bulletsponge
Barkeep

Everyone else I don't really have a feel for yet.

I'm going to only be here occasionally tonight and might miss the final 2 hours. Right now I am leaning towards voting for Izulde, however can vote St.Cronin if thats the way people run.

If people wonder why Izulde when he is not on my list of people I am getting suspicious of, its mostly a day 1 vote more random than anything else. He stated he would be here off and on today, however it appears its been more off than on, and hasn't been around to even comment on Bullet's vote for him for about 15 seconds earlier today. Izulde would be more of a day 1 hunch vote for me based on very little right now, and my normal desire to vote for a "newer" player to start with till we figure out the evidence.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

What makes you think "regular joe" is not a "certain role"?

Because I think there are multiple prostitutes, and multiple people who visit prostitutes. I am certain there are 2-5 people just like me in this game.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Caught up on the day. Its moved a bit slower than I expected it to. Not sure on why things were fairly quiet today.

Just from my initial reading of day 1, this is my feelings on people so far.



Feel ok:

Fouts
BrianD
Raiders Army

Leaning to ok:
Hoops
Path

Leaning to not ok:
St.Cronin
Bulletsponge
Barkeep

Everyone else I don't really have a feel for yet.

I'm going to only be here occasionally tonight and might miss the final 2 hours. Right now I am leaning towards voting for Izulde, however can vote St.Cronin if thats the way people run.

If people wonder why Izulde when he is not on my list of people I am getting suspicious of, its mostly a day 1 vote more random than anything else. He stated he would be here off and on today, however it appears its been more off than on, and hasn't been around to even comment on Bullet's vote for him for about 15 seconds earlier today. Izulde would be more of a day 1 hunch vote for me based on very little right now, and my normal desire to vote for a "newer" player to start with till we figure out the evidence.

Why are you leaning towards "not ok" with me? Because I was surprised people got information on night 0, or because I claimed to have no night actions?

Because, you know, neither one of those things is true.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

So far I have been accused of claiming to be surprised that people had night actions, which I never said, and that I claimed to have no night actions, which I never said.

So people are voting for me based on things I never said.

All I have ever said is that I got no information last night, and that people who did get information should share it.

Cronin, I can't answer for others, but I will explain why you independantly ended up on my starting to suspect list as best as I can. from these posts:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I don't have any information, but some folks are hinting that there is information out there. I would like to have something to base my vote on, so out with it folks.

This was the initial post. It by itself didn't seem like a big deal to me. I also have no information to provide today, so this seemed fine to me.

Originally Posted by st.cronin

He says he got information on night 0.

This is the first ping on my radar today. You seem that Hoops is hinting at a role because he got information on night 0. This would tell me that you would expect some players in the game wouldn't be able to gain any kind of information at all.

I know I probably have one of the most simple basic roles in the game, and still I know that I have a way to get information at nights if I choose to do it. I chose to not pursue that option and instead spent some money in a different manner. The fact I as an "ordinary villager" type role has the ability to get information, that tells me that you aren't an ordinary villager. This alone doesn't make you bad, but it makes me wonder what you are exactly.

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Why? Do you think everybody got information on night 0? Because I didn't.

This is follow up on my belief that you feel some people can't get information. True, not everyone got information on night 0, I as well didn't so that part of your statement isn't what bothers me, its more the inferrance that you had that others who did get info are hinting at roles, which I do not think is the case this game.

Originally Posted by st.cronin

This is incorrect. I was merely saying that my best guess as to what role hoopsguy was hinting at, it didn't make any sense for him to hint at it. I was simply pointing out what I thought was an odd play.

I have said that I did not get any information last night, but of course some people got information last night. That's what night 0 is for, to allow certain roles to get a jump on the rest of us.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Why are you leaning towards "not ok" with me? Because I was surprised people got information on night 0, or because I claimed to have no night actions?

Because, you know, neither one of those things is true.

See my below post, was putting it together when you posted this. Like I said in it, Its not based on anything you claimed, more the red flag I got from your "suggestion" that people who got information night 0 = roles. It at least tells me you aren't ordinary like me.

[Tyrith]

cronin and barkeep are both acting a little weird for my tastes. I know, cronin ALWAYS acts weird, but this seems to be bad weird to me. Putting information out there on Day 1 seems not so smart when we don't have much reason to do so.

[st.cronin]

That makes no sense, Alan. You say that you got no information on night 0, and you're just a regular joe, and since I claimed to get no information on night 0, therefore I have a role.

Of course I have a role. I haven't said what that role is, but I am on the side of good. Do you deny that hoopsguy was hinting at a role? All I was doing with that was trying to figure out what role hoops was hinting at.

[Blade6119]

VOTE BARKEEP

He has acted strange for my tastes today...his vote hinted at more, but has given nothing. Barkeep doesnt make moves like that one day one usually, and he is usually good...

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

cronin and barkeep are both acting a little weird for my tastes. I know, cronin ALWAYS acts weird, but this seems to be bad weird to me. Putting information out there on Day 1 seems not so smart when we don't have much reason to do so.

I agree that there is a best time and place for information, and I am going to assume that nobody has the ability to finger a bad guy today, since nobody has. But is it so odd that somebody with zero information would look for some help from people WHO CLAIM TO HAVE INFORMATION on where to put his vote?

[st.cronin]

unvote ntndeacon
vote Barkeep

I was pretty baffled by Barkeep's play, as well. I really prefer to lynch a quiet player on day 1, and that's not Barkeep, but it looks like this is one of those games where everybody wants to lynch the more active types.

*sigh*

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

cronin and barkeep are both acting a little weird for my tastes. I know, cronin ALWAYS acts weird, but this seems to be bad weird to me. Putting information out there on Day 1 seems not so smart when we don't have much reason to do so.

To be honest, i dont get this comment...those are 2 of the few players NOT putting information out there...most everyone else is doing their best to give away all the cards they hold to the bad guys.

(If you cant notice, im not a fan of publicizing secret alliances i have newly formed until it can deal a blow to the bad guys...today is not the right time for us to be sharing all of our night 0 visits if you ask me, as it only makes the bad guys job of finding the good roles that much easier if you assume they are doing other things at night besides scoring some tail)

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

unvote ntndeacon
vote Barkeep

I was pretty baffled by Barkeep's play, as well. I really prefer to lynch a quiet player on day 1, and that's not Barkeep, but it looks like this is one of those games where everybody wants to lynch the more active types.

*sigh*

Who has been quiet? Has anyone not checked in yet?...besides, we had a night 0, so its not a normal day 1. If someone can account for barkeep, then ill move my vote. Ive heared no one vouch for him, and seen him hint at something against someone i have pegged into a role somewhat

[Barkeep49]

You only make it a game like that if you vote for people who say a lot.

Blade: You have this mindset of how I play. And then I step out of that. Like the time when I was a good guy and you were convinced, convinced you told me, that I was a bad guy because I was being quiet. Except I was a good guy.

I'm always trying out new things. I am a good guy. Period. I'm sorry that I'm stepping outside your comfort zone with a throwaway vote on hoops. I would love a better candidate, but one hasn't emerged so far.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

To be honest, i dont get this comment...those are 2 of the few players NOT putting information out there...most everyone else is doing their best to give away all the cards they hold to the bad guys.

(If you cant notice, im not a fan of publicizing secret alliances i have newly formed until it can deal a blow to the bad guys...today is not the right time for us to be sharing all of our night 0 visits if you ask me, as it only makes the bad guys job of finding the good roles that much easier if you assume they are doing other things at night besides scoring some tail)

Yet you want someone to vouch for me? If we shouldn't publicize secret alliances then you shouldn't expect someone to vouch for me.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Blade: You have this mindset of how I play. And then I step out of that. Like the time when I was a good guy and you were convinced, convinced you told me, that I was a bad guy because I was being quiet. Except I was a good guy.

Actually, you were evil that game...if im not mistaken, it was the game dubb pulled his turncoat 2 for 1 swap and won the game for evil. All game i said you were bad, no one believed me, and you ended up bad...am i mistaken, or are you referencing a different game.

I am fairly certain though in the game i reference, the one i time i can remember going balls to the wall on you, you were bad and did enough for no one to support me

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Who has been quiet? Has anyone not checked in yet?...besides, we had a night 0, so its not a normal day 1. If someone can account for barkeep, then ill move my vote. Ive heared no one vouch for him, and seen him hint at something against someone i have pegged into a role somewhat

What about the guy I initially voted for, ntn? Or Izulde? Or Raiders, or Schmidty, or ... there's plenty of folks who have been quiet.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Yet you want someone to vouch for me? If we shouldn't publicize secret alliances then you shouldn't expect someone to vouch for me.

I dont want anyone to vouch for you, no...i would have prefered no one said anything about their actions until later in the game. Just like the seer, i prefer he not reveal until late when he can be truly helpful.

Though, whats done is done and i cannot ignore what is out there. I dont want people to share, but i must consider those that have.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

What about the guy I initially voted for, ntn? Or Izulde? Or Raiders, or Schmidty, or ... there's plenty of folks who have been quiet.

And if you can get anyone to vote for them ill oblige. Right now though i see barkeep as my best bet of my suspects to get a lynch, of which we need 1/3 of the total population.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

That makes no sense, Alan. You say that you got no information on night 0, and you're just a regular joe, and since I claimed to get no information on night 0, therefore I have a role.

Of course I have a role. I haven't said what that role is, but I am on the side of good. Do you deny that hoopsguy was hinting at a role? All I was doing with that was trying to figure out what role hoops was hinting at.

Like I said, my suspicion of you isnt based on you getting information on night 0 or not. Just the way it felt that people getting info on night 0 = a role. I don't really like lynching vets on day 1 which is why I wasn't really pushing for you, just trying to give an explanation of why you feel suspicious to me.

You seem to be reacting really strongly to me when I was doing as you requested, just answering on what my feelings were based on.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Actually, you were evil that game...if im not mistaken, it was the game dubb pulled his turncoat 2 for 1 swap and won the game for evil. All game i said you were bad, no one believed me, and you ended up bad...am i mistaken, or are you referencing a different game.

I am fairly certain though in the game i reference, the one i time i can remember going balls to the wall on you, you were bad and did enough for no one to support me

The one time you went balls to the wall you were right, that is true. I'm talking a different game, I want to say around XXXV or so when I hardly posted. You were convinced this was a sign of my evil. I try out different things in different games. One only need look at the way I played Schmidty's Thing game compared to most of my games for proof of that. I try not to play the same game twice and so I'm not playing the same game twice here.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

And if you can get anyone to vote for them ill oblige. Right now though i see barkeep as my best bet of my suspects to get a lynch, of which we need 1/3 of the total population.

I would really prefer not to lynch Barkeep blindly. I'm going to move onto Izulde, who Alan and somebody else pointed out as being somewhat suspicious, and who has been quiet.

unvote Barkeep
vote Izulde

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

And if you can get anyone to vote for them ill oblige. Right now though i see barkeep as my best bet of my suspects to get a lynch, of which we need 1/3 of the total population.

I doubt I'll vote for Barkeep today, even if it means us missing a lynch. I don't really like lynching our better players on day 1 hunches. I agree Barkeep has seemed really suspicious today to me, but I don't really want to vote for him. I said earlier I would move to St.Cronin if thats where people went, but I think in hindsight, I would rather avoid him too. Both are the most suspicious feeling to me so far today, but I am often wrong on hunches and would rather wait till I had more information to play so strongly on a hunch.

I'll throw a vote out for now

Vote Izulde

based on what I said earlier. I'll be around another hour or so and can move it if there is a better path to take tonight.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Like I said, my suspicion of you isnt based on you getting information on night 0 or not. Just the way it felt that people getting info on night 0 = a role. I don't really like lynching vets on day 1 which is why I wasn't really pushing for you, just trying to give an explanation of why you feel suspicious to me.

You seem to be reacting really strongly to me when I was doing as you requested, just answering on what my feelings were based on.

It gets tiring being seen as suspicious for the same reasons game after game, is all. Making my thought process public is just something I'm going to have to learn not to do.

[Tyrith]

I don't really want to lynch someone out of the cronin/blade/barkeep mess right now because it's another one of those weird fights we can use slightly later on to help us figure out possible alliances, once people take up sides around it a little better. It doesn't seem like something that's going to go away, so why rush it when there's a big chance we'll learn more tonight or tomorrow night?

That said, I could probably still be convinced to lynch Barkeep; he's the most suspicious of the three right now to me. But I'm not in a hurry to do it just because of that one post. Barkeep is certainly capable of varying his play, so I'm not going to lynch him just because of that either.

That brings us back to the old UTR game, but I don't know if we can get much gas behind it at this point. Everyone that has soaked a random vote actually seems to be at least mildly talkative now that cronin moved his vote from NTN. Suggestions?

[Tyrith]

Oh, the irony!

VOTE IZULDE

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

It gets tiring being seen as suspicious for the same reasons game after game, is all. Making my thought process public is just something I'm going to have to learn not to do.

I really wish you wouldn't take what I say and then say I'm doing something else.

There are plenty of vocal people out there, and I'm not after any of them. Some of the most vocal people have made my somewhat trusted early list. Others have fallen onto the not early trusted list. The others are in the unknown list.

Who am I voting for? Someone super active? No someone who has been quiet after saying he would be around some during the day. The reason you are suspicious is because the way you felt and made it fairly obvious to me that you dont have the "normal" role that I have. Whether that role you have is good or bad, I'm not sure but it feels very obvious to me that you don't have a generic role at least.

I was willing to leave our discussion as it was with my giving my thoughts on why I felt you were suspicious so far today, and you giving a rebuttle.. but don't come and mischaracterize my suspicion on you. Its absolutely crazy to think I would be after lynching active players on day 1. To even suggest that just feels really off to me. If anyone, I should be known for day 1 going after the Under the radar folks, the newer players, the ones I know the least about. Now you are just making up things.

[Tyrith]

Dola,

I should have dolaed that vote, it would have been much cooler.

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE BARKEEP

VOTE IZULDE

Like i promised

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

This is incorrect. I was merely saying that my best guess as to what role hoopsguy was hinting at, it didn't make any sense for him to hint at it. I was simply pointing out what I thought was an odd play.

I have said that I did not get any information last night, but of course some people got information last night. That's what night 0 is for, to allow certain roles to get a jump on the rest of us.

That bolded part is what I have problems with. It's not just certain roles that can get information, it's most every role as far as I can tell (at least for good).