Baseball Mogul 2006 Preview Thread (Yes, Virginia, there ARE lefties and righties!) - Page 15

Galaril · 03-29-2005, 11:32 PM

For those who care anymore he 's the fix list for Either 8.01 or 8.03 patch not sur esince it said 8.03 in the subject yet the post say's 8.01? Pretty weak effort if you ask me compared to the patched I have seen Shaun Over at Puresim put out. Didn't really address any of the major issues with this product.

Patch list 8.01
Build Stadium Dialog fixed
'<<' and '>>' Scouting Buttons linked to list order (e.g. in Roster Dialog)
Negotiation text update improvements
Auto-Sort button accuracy improved
"Total Career Stats" button fixed (Advanced Options)
Expansion City fixed (was always 'Abilene')
"Fan Base" moved from City Editor to Stadium Editor
Some roster and player projections edits
"2 Harmon Killebrews" fixed
Team Option bug fixed (option was sometimes exercised at 0 years for 0 salary, instead of the agreed-upon deal)
Control, Power (pitcher) and Overall ratings adjusted

21C · 03-29-2005, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

For those who care anymore he 's the fix list for Either 8.01 or 8.03 patch not sur esince it said 8.03 in the subject yet the post say's 8.01?

If you mean from this post, then it does say "8.03 Fix List Since 8.01:" unless there is another post I'm missing.

jbmagic · 03-30-2005, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

Yeah I have put this one aside as well and am rather disappointed that issues haven't been addressed. I am seeing that bugs from before 8.00v are still appearing in 8.03v even though they were fixed in the previous patches. Truly shoddy beta process it seems and poor support. Yep, 20 bucks down th etoilet I guess a well time to move on.

i am glad i save my twenty bucks.

i will keep reading the mogul forum and here. Hopefully one day there will be great news on future patches that might change my mind and buy it. I hope they start releasing a readme on what the fixes are on future patches.

samifan24 · 03-30-2005, 12:18 AM

Just to echo jbmagic's post above, you guys have saved me $20 as well. Thanks for your honest feedback. I hope that future patches will save this game, but I'm not holding my breath.

MizzouRah · 03-30-2005, 08:17 AM

It's a game you WANT to like, but there's just too many issues right now.

I do have a feeling Clay will get the game to a playable level... if not, I'm pretty much done with the Mogul series.

Todd

spleen1015 · 03-30-2005, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

It's a game you WANT to like, but there's just too many issues right now.

I do have a feeling Clay will get the game to a playable level... if not, I'm pretty much done with the Mogul series.

Todd

I thought the same thing 5 years ago.

Ragone · 03-30-2005, 09:11 AM

There is an old saying

"Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me.."

Glad i managed to hold off on this purchase

MizzouRah · 03-30-2005, 11:43 AM

At $20, I took the chance. I've had some fun with it no doubt, but I just can't get into a 'serious' career yet.

Ben,

What are your thoughts thus far? Your input was getting to Clay.

Todd

Galaril · 03-30-2005, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragone

There is an old saying

"Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me.."

Glad i managed to hold off on this purchase

I feel like a real jackass for picking this up after what alot of people said about previous versions.

jbmagic · 03-30-2005, 06:37 PM

for anybody that dont have the game.

the demo is out.

Now you will see what we are talking about.

post in the Mogul forum too. if you guys see any problems

Galaril · 03-30-2005, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbmagic

for anybody that dont have the game.

the demo is out.

Now you will see what we are talking about.

post in the Mogul forum too. if you guys see any problems

JB,
Actually I don't know what good that will do I have posted numerous posts over there and there are literally dozens and dozens of separate posts about different bugs on the boards. Yet, Clay has not respomded to any of the posts. This is in the last week or so before that he was allover the board but since release nothing except a psot here or there. Terrible customer support IMHO.

jbmagic · 03-30-2005, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

JB,
Actually I don't know what good that will do I have posted numerous posts over there and there are literally dozens and dozens of separate posts about different bugs on the boards. Yet, Clay has not respomded to any of the posts. This is in the last week or so before that he was allover the board but since release nothing except a psot here or there. Terrible customer support IMHO.

very true.

i kinda glad i save 20 bucks. and bought MVP 2005 for the pc instead.

Ragone · 03-30-2005, 08:36 PM

So maybe skydog should change the thread name to Baseball Mogul Post Morteum Thread

MizzouRah · 03-30-2005, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragone

So maybe skydog should change the thread name to Baseball Mogul Post Morteum Thread

Ahhh.. it's not dead yet. (At least I hope) I think Clay is working hard at a big patch. If he's not, well.. stick a fork in it.

I really like parts of the game quite a lot.

Todd

stevew · 03-30-2005, 08:57 PM

Baseball Mogul:Clay Pigeons

Swaggs · 03-30-2005, 09:04 PM

I've gotten my $20.00 out of it.

Free agency and the injuries are still hellah annoying, but the stats seem alright to me and, more importantly, I can't seem to win at will (like I can with OOTP or FOF). I guess me playing with a small, budget-busting, market kind of natually keeps me out of the big name free agency and I tend to use the John Wooden approach of worrying only about my team (rather than the competition). I like the relationships angle, too. I think it was a nice touch.

Buccaneer · 03-30-2005, 09:40 PM

I still am interested in getting the game sometime despite the bitching of those wanting a single independent developer to spend his time on internet forums instead of working on making the game better.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-30-2005, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbmagic

for anybody that dont have the game. the demo is out.
Now you will see what we are talking about.

Umm ... if the demo doesn't fix some rather obvious issues that people have been pointing out, I'm not sure I see much point in trying it ... other, perhaps, than a morbid curiosity.

TroyF · 03-30-2005, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I still am interested in getting the game sometime despite the bitching of those wanting a single independent developer to spend his time on internet forums instead of working on making the game better.

I'm not complaining about him not spending his time on the board. I just shelved the game until he does make it better. I like the potential of the game. It's not a horrible effort, but I can't get passed the FA and trade engine.

I hope he makes it better.

Buccaneer · 03-30-2005, 10:40 PM

That's what I am hoping for too, Troy (since FA and trades are probably the two most important features for me). I have a lot of other things I can do (like play World At War) and if the game gets better, I'll buy it and if not, I won't and move on.

Galaril · 03-30-2005, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I still am interested in getting the game sometime despite the bitching of those wanting a single independent developer to spend his time on internet forums instead of working on making the game better.

Hey,
HeavyReign with FBCB/FBB and Shaun Sullivan of Puresim don't seem to have a problem answering what issues has been addressed or are being addressed. This makes it a lot easier to give a developer feedback so they know what needs fixing still. Most of us got jobs that don't allow us to spend all day beta testing.That is if the developer is looking to improve the game. I respect the effrot those single developers have put into there games. Which is something I can't say about BM2K6.

MizzouRah · 03-30-2005, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I still am interested in getting the game sometime despite the bitching of those wanting a single independent developer to spend his time on internet forums instead of working on making the game better.

Maybe it's because his fan base has become much smaller, but I expected more bitching than what I've seen or read from here or over at bb mogul.

The game really has a lot of goofy issues that takes all of the fun out of it for me. Reminds me of the opposite of TPB 2005. A game that when released, you could tell had a lot of testing. I feel the opposite out of bb mogul. The game just feels thrown together.

Don't get me wrong, I can smell that "immersion" factor hiding somewhere in the game, Clay just needs to show us where it is.

Todd

jbmagic · 03-30-2005, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Ahhh.. it's not dead yet. (At least I hope) I think Clay is working hard at a big patch. If he's not, well.. stick a fork in it.

I really like parts of the game quite a lot.

Todd

Todd what version is the game on now. its 8.03 still?

because the demo is 8.04. just seems weird that no one mention 8.04 is out on the full version in the Mogul forum?

http://www.sportsmogul.com/demo/bb2k6demo.htm

i wonder what fix on 8.04

Ragone · 03-31-2005, 01:14 AM

The demo doesn't have the flaws.. because hell.. probably wants to sell more games right?

MizzouRah · 03-31-2005, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbmagic

Todd what version is the game on now. its 8.03 still?

because the demo is 8.04. just seems weird that no one mention 8.04 is out on the full version in the Mogul forum?

http://www.sportsmogul.com/demo/bb2k6demo.htm

i wonder what fix on 8.04

8.03 - that 8.04 was probably a mis-print.

Todd

jbmagic · 03-31-2005, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

8.03 - that 8.04 was probably a mis-print.

Todd

not a misprint. it shows 8.04 on the demo when you load it.

MizzouRah · 03-31-2005, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbmagic

not a misprint. it shows 8.04 on the demo when you load it.

Meaning, Clay probably put a 4 instead of a 3. Why would he upgrade the game, then only release a demo of it? Sounds ludicris to me.

Todd

jbmagic · 03-31-2005, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Meaning, Clay probably put a 4 instead of a 3. Why would he upgrade the game, then only release a demo of it? Sounds ludicris to me.

Todd

the problem is Clay wont respond to this in the mogul forum.

if i had the game i will be piss if the demo is more updated than full version.

it makes no sense to have the demo at 8.04 and full version at 8.03

MizzouRah · 03-31-2005, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbmagic

the problem is Clay wont respond to this in the mogul forum.

if i had the game i will be piss if the demo is more updated than full version.

it makes no sense to have the demo at 8.04 and full version at 8.03

I think you're getting too worked up about nothing. Do you honestly think this?

He said a fix or fixes might be released tonight.

Todd

jbmagic · 03-31-2005, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I think you're getting too worked up about nothing. Do you honestly think this?

He said a fix or fixes might be released tonight.

Todd

sounds great, hopefully there a readme whats fix

Swaggs · 03-31-2005, 04:32 PM

http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin...threadid=71426

jbmagic · 03-31-2005, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin...threadid=71426

for 8.03

hopefully he makes a fix list for 8.04 when it comes out later.

you can always try the demo its 8.04 to firgure out what been fix

MizzouRah · 04-01-2005, 02:19 PM

Here you go JB.

http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin...threadid=71585

Todd

MizzouRah · 04-01-2005, 02:21 PM

dola,

..and this...

http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin...701#post358701

Also, 8.05 is up. Not much fixed though.

Swaggs · 04-01-2005, 03:02 PM

I'm still watching for injuries and free agent signings.

jbmagic · 04-01-2005, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm still watching for injuries and free agent signings.

it looks like free agent wasnt fix on 8.05.

i guess i saving my money for now. and keep an eye in there progress.

Galaril · 04-01-2005, 07:04 PM

Since it was released this game has been the biggest disappoint in a sports sim game since Total Pro football 2004 from 400 studios. It looked like it had alot of promise but for whatever reason none of the issues free agency and f#*$ed up trades have been fixed. These are things that should of been noticed in a beta process. Well, what do you suspect for 20 bucks. I guess being a beta tester.

Ben E Lou · 04-01-2005, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

These are things that should of {sic} been noticed in a beta process.

Yeah, proofreading and beta testing should always catch mistakes.

Galaril · 04-01-2005, 07:21 PM

Thanks SkyDog.

Galaril · 04-02-2005, 10:34 PM

patch 8.06 released

jbmagic · 04-03-2005, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

patch 8.06 released

is there a fix list for patch 8.06?
thanks

Ragone · 04-03-2005, 04:27 AM

i booted up the older baseball mogul tonight.. i had to have a joey long fix

Nothing like a guy who can pitch 28 perfect games and hit 30+ homers... not to mention the fact that he actually requests a contract where he PAYS YOU to play

FBPro · 04-03-2005, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragone

i booted up the older baseball mogul tonight.. i had to have a joey long fix

Nothing like a guy who can pitch 28 perfect games and hit 30+ homers... not to mention the fact that he actually requests a contract where he PAYS YOU to play

Priceless

Galaril · 04-03-2005, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbmagic

is there a fix list for patch 8.06?
thanks

JB ,
Are you serious Clay releases a patch fix list 4-5 days after the patch usually.

Ragone · 04-03-2005, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

JB ,
Are you serious Clay releases a patch fix list 4-5 days after the patch usually.

Heck, maybe he's not sure what it actually fixes?

Galaril · 04-03-2005, 06:55 AM

LOL That is funny.

Buccaneer · 04-03-2005, 10:09 AM

In thinking about this and see what others expect out of BM (and other baseball sims), I came up with a list of my 5 most important game elements:

1. Trade AI (both with the AI and between the AI)
2. Free Agency (in bidding on players and in the AI bidding on them)
3. Financials (in part related to #2 but the ability for the AI to be smart financially)
4. Historical Player Development (to have a wide enough variance so as not to be too predictable)
5. Drafting and Young Players (in historical leagues, this not much of an issue except that you would want to see young raw players with good potentials develop properly, i.e, growth in the minors)

If I were to play non-historical seasons, the list would still be similar (#1-3 would not change) but #5 moved up.

TroyF · 04-03-2005, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

In thinking about this and see what others expect out of BM (and other baseball sims), I came up with a list of my 5 most important game elements:

1. Trade AI (both with the AI and between the AI)
2. Free Agency (in bidding on players and in the AI bidding on them)
3. Financials (in part related to #2 but the ability for the AI to be smart financially)
4. Historical Player Development (to have a wide enough variance so as not to be too predictable)
5. Drafting and Young Players (in historical leagues, this not much of an issue except that you would want to see young raw players with good potentials develop properly, i.e, growth in the minors)

If I were to play non-historical seasons, the list would still be similar (#1-3 would not change) but #5 moved up.

I don't play historical seasons, but the list is pretty near exact for everything else.

I want to be able to set up equal financials or a salary cap without a ton of tweaks. I want the trade AI and FA to be solid and enjoyable. I want player progression to be fairly accurate. (as Skydog has mentioned, this is the one thing all baseball sims seem to have an issue with)

Oh, and I'd like to be able to set up an entirely fictional universe without a ton of hassle. I can download and add my own logos, but I don't want to be forced to create an entire fictional league by hand. Just create one for me and let me play.

After having said all of that, I'm not sure why I took so ling to just go to PureSim, which has most of those things already set.

Swaggs · 04-04-2005, 03:35 PM

Version 8.06:
Bug fixed (newly build stadiums were being erased at year-end)

ROTY voting no longer pops up (bug introduced in 8.05)

Free Agents ask for shorter contracts if left on Free Agent list

"SP"/"RP" added to Scouting/ListView

Some improvements to amateur stats '<<' and '>>' in Scouting Report linked to list order in Free Agents and Amateur Draft

Free agent batters no longer added as pitchers (e.g. Brent Mayne in 2005)

Over-rated shortstops fixed

Fewer star players left on Free Agent list by Opening Day (this is true for the first season or two -- this area still needs work)

Improved Rosters and Projections (warning: these will automatically overwrite your 2005Rosters.csv, Batting.csv, Fielding.csv and Pitching.csv files - you should back them up if you made edits)

LionsFan10 · 04-04-2005, 06:08 PM

So, I read about six or seven pages of this thread and finally I couldn't handle it no more. What is the word on this game, worth a purchase? I have OOTP 6, but that's not cutting it for me right now. Which is better for baseball sim needs, this or PureSim?

03-30-2005, 12:18 AM	#704
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	Just to echo jbmagic's post above, you guys have saved me $20 as well. Thanks for your honest feedback. I hope that future patches will save this game, but I'm not holding my breath. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

03-30-2005, 09:04 PM	#716
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I've gotten my $20.00 out of it. Free agency and the injuries are still hellah annoying, but the stats seem alright to me and, more importantly, I can't seem to win at will (like I can with OOTP or FOF). I guess me playing with a small, budget-busting, market kind of natually keeps me out of the big name free agency and I tend to use the John Wooden approach of worrying only about my team (rather than the competition). I like the relationships angle, too. I think it was a nice touch. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

03-31-2005, 04:32 PM	#731
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin...threadid=71426 __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

04-01-2005, 03:02 PM	#735
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I'm still watching for injuries and free agent signings. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

04-01-2005, 07:04 PM	#737
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Since it was released this game has been the biggest disappoint in a sports sim game since Total Pro football 2004 from 400 studios. It looked like it had alot of promise but for whatever reason none of the issues free agency and f#$ed up trades have been fixed. These are things that should of been noticed in a beta process. Well, what do you suspect for 20 bucks. I guess being a beta tester. Last edited by Galaril : 04-01-2005 at 07:20 PM.*

03-29-2005, 11:32 PM	#701
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	For those who care anymore he 's the fix list for Either 8.01 or 8.03 patch not sur esince it said 8.03 in the subject yet the post say's 8.01? Pretty weak effort if you ask me compared to the patched I have seen Shaun Over at Puresim put out. Didn't really address any of the major issues with this product. Patch list 8.01 Build Stadium Dialog fixed '<<' and '>>' Scouting Buttons linked to list order (e.g. in Roster Dialog) Negotiation text update improvements Auto-Sort button accuracy improved "Total Career Stats" button fixed (Advanced Options) Expansion City fixed (was always 'Abilene') "Fan Base" moved from City Editor to Stadium Editor Some roster and player projections edits "2 Harmon Killebrews" fixed Team Option bug fixed (option was sometimes exercised at 0 years for 0 salary, instead of the agreed-upon deal) Control, Power (pitcher) and Overall ratings adjusted

03-30-2005, 08:17 AM	#705
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	It's a game you WANT to like, but there's just too many issues right now. I do have a feeling Clay will get the game to a playable level... if not, I'm pretty much done with the Mogul series. Todd

03-30-2005, 09:11 AM	#707
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	There is an old saying "Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me.." Glad i managed to hold off on this purchase

03-30-2005, 11:43 AM	#708
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	At $20, I took the chance. I've had some fun with it no doubt, but I just can't get into a 'serious' career yet. Ben, What are your thoughts thus far? Your input was getting to Clay. Todd

03-30-2005, 06:37 PM	#710
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	for anybody that dont have the game. the demo is out. Now you will see what we are talking about. post in the Mogul forum too. if you guys see any problems

03-30-2005, 08:36 PM	#713
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	So maybe skydog should change the thread name to Baseball Mogul Post Morteum Thread

03-30-2005, 08:57 PM	#715
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Baseball Mogul:Clay Pigeons

03-30-2005, 09:40 PM	#717
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I still am interested in getting the game sometime despite the bitching of those wanting a single independent developer to spend his time on internet forums instead of working on making the game better.

03-30-2005, 10:40 PM	#720
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	That's what I am hoping for too, Troy (since FA and trades are probably the two most important features for me). I have a lot of other things I can do (like play World At War) and if the game gets better, I'll buy it and if not, I won't and move on.

03-31-2005, 01:14 AM	#724
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	The demo doesn't have the flaws.. because hell.. probably wants to sell more games right?

04-01-2005, 02:19 PM	#733
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Here you go JB. http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin...threadid=71585 Todd

04-01-2005, 02:21 PM	#734
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	dola, ..and this... http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin...701#post358701 Also, 8.05 is up. Not much fixed though.

04-01-2005, 07:21 PM	#739
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Thanks SkyDog.

04-02-2005, 10:34 PM	#740
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	patch 8.06 released

04-03-2005, 04:27 AM	#742
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	i booted up the older baseball mogul tonight.. i had to have a joey long fix Nothing like a guy who can pitch 28 perfect games and hit 30+ homers... not to mention the fact that he actually requests a contract where he PAYS YOU to play

04-03-2005, 06:55 AM	#746
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	LOL That is funny.

04-03-2005, 10:09 AM	#747
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	In thinking about this and see what others expect out of BM (and other baseball sims), I came up with a list of my 5 most important game elements: 1. Trade AI (both with the AI and between the AI) 2. Free Agency (in bidding on players and in the AI bidding on them) 3. Financials (in part related to #2 but the ability for the AI to be smart financially) 4. Historical Player Development (to have a wide enough variance so as not to be too predictable) 5. Drafting and Young Players (in historical leagues, this not much of an issue except that you would want to see young raw players with good potentials develop properly, i.e, growth in the minors) If I were to play non-historical seasons, the list would still be similar (#1-3 would not change) but #5 moved up.

04-04-2005, 03:35 PM	#749
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Version 8.06: Bug fixed (newly build stadiums were being erased at year-end) ROTY voting no longer pops up (bug introduced in 8.05) Free Agents ask for shorter contracts if left on Free Agent list "SP"/"RP" added to Scouting/ListView Some improvements to amateur stats '<<' and '>>' in Scouting Report linked to list order in Free Agents and Amateur Draft Free agent batters no longer added as pitchers (e.g. Brent Mayne in 2005) Over-rated shortstops fixed Fewer star players left on Free Agent list by Opening Day (this is true for the first season or two -- this area still needs work) Improved Rosters and Projections (warning: these will automatically overwrite your 2005Rosters.csv, Batting.csv, Fielding.csv and Pitching.csv files - you should back them up if you made edits) __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

04-04-2005, 06:08 PM	#750
LionsFan10 High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Detroit, MI, U.S.A	So, I read about six or seven pages of this thread and finally I couldn't handle it no more. What is the word on this game, worth a purchase? I have OOTP 6, but that's not cutting it for me right now. Which is better for baseball sim needs, this or PureSim? __________________ It's true, it's true.

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