USC sellf imposes sanctions on Hoops team

[DeToxRox]

And here we go!

LOS ANGELES – USC men’s basketball coach Tim Floyd made a direct cash payment to a man who helped deliver O.J. Mayo to the Trojans program, according to Louis Johnson, a former member of Mayo’s inner circle.

Johnson, a one-time Mayo confidant, has told both NCAA investigators and federal authorities – including the FBI, IRS and U.S. Attorney’s Office – that Floyd gave at least $1,000 in cash to Rodney Guillory, a man who allegedly lavished Mayo with improper benefits while the guard starred for the Trojans.

Such an act would constitute a major NCAA violation for USC, which is the subject of an ongoing three-year investigation into alleged improprieties in both the football and men’s basketball programs.

Approached by Yahoo! Sports at his California residence on Friday, Guillory declined to comment. A message left on Floyd’s cell phone Tuesday was not immediately returned. The NCAA and USC also declined to comment.

“As you know, USC can’t comment on any issue that’s the subject of an ongoing NCAA and Pac-10 investigation,” USC general counsel Carol Mauch Amir said.

The revelation involving Floyd is the latest allegation put forth by Johnson, who described Guillory to Yahoo! Sports as a long-time “runner” who steered Mayo to the Bill Duffy Associates (BDA) sports agency. Johnson said Guillory received between $200,000 and $250,000 from BDA Sports for his efforts, which resulted in Mayo initially signing with BDA when he left USC after one season for the NBA in April 2008.

BDA spokesperson Ilana Nunn declined to comment on the relationship between BDA and Guillory.

Johnson also said Mayo received approximately $30,000 in extra benefits from Guillory while playing for the Trojans. He first made those allegations to ESPN’s “Outside The Lines” in May 2008, producing a litany of receipts to back up his claims, including purchases of food, clothing and a 42-inch flat screen TV for Mayo. Mayo broke off his relationship with BDA Sports shortly after the ESPN report aired. Mayo denied those allegations to reporters on several occasions. His agent, Leon Rose, didn’t return calls to his office and cell phone.

Floyd’s alleged financial involvement with Guillory is a potentially damaging new twist for USC, and was disclosed to Yahoo! Sports last week by Johnson’s attorneys, Anthony V. Salerno and David Murphy. The attorneys confirmed that Johnson had gone on the record with his account of the payment twice: first in a group interview in front of the FBI, IRS and U.S. Attorney’s Office on May 28, 2008, and then again in the second of two interviews with NCAA investigators, which took place last week. Two members of USC’s outside counsel also took part in the second NCAA interview and heard Johnson’s account of Floyd’s alleged payment. Salerno added that Johnson’s account to federal authorities carried the threat of potential prosecution if Johnson was found to be lying.

“It was clearly money in contemplation of inducing O.J. to go through with the decision [to play at USC]. That was the understanding that Louis had – that this was money from Floyd to Guillory for them to go out and have a great weekend. It was the inducement for Guillory’s efforts in delivering [Mayo to sign with USC].”

– David Murphy, Louis Johnson’s attorney

“Louis knew that if he didn’t tell the truth in that meeting, he’d be in the same boat that Martha Stewart was in for deceiving federal authorities,” Salerno said. “The agreement that he was under, the explicit agreement was that he had to be completely truthful in his statement. Lying to a federal agent is a whole crime unto itself. If you’re going to talk to them at all, you have to tell the truth.”

Johnson also confirmed his allegation of Floyd’s payment to Yahoo! Sports.

“It’s a complete and accurate depiction of the event I observed between Tim Floyd and Rodney Guillory,” Johnson said.

Johnson told the NCAA and federal authorities the payment took place in the week leading up to the 2007 NBA All-Star weekend in Las Vegas – three months after Mayo committed to USC while finishing his final year of high school. His attorneys said Johnson perceived the payment as an extension of Floyd’s gratitude for Guillory’s delivery of Mayo to USC.

“It was clearly money in contemplation of inducing O.J. to go through with the decision [to play at USC],” Murphy said. “That was the understanding that Louis had – that this was money from Floyd to Guillory for them to go out and have a great weekend. It was the inducement for Guillory’s efforts in delivering [Mayo to sign with USC].”

The following is Johnson’s account of the payment as told to Yahoo! Sports.

On Feb. 14, 2007, Johnson and Guillory packed up Guillory’s black Infiniti SUV and were preparing for the drive from Los Angeles to Las Vegas to attend the NBA All-Star weekend. Before they left, Guillory informed Johnson several times that he had to meet with Floyd so the coach could give him cash for the trip. Sometime between 11 a.m. and 2 p.m., Guillory and Johnson headed toward Beverly Hills to meet with Floyd. During the drive, Johnson listened as Guillory and Floyd exchanged several cell phone calls as Floyd explained where the meeting would take place.

Upon arriving in Beverly Hills, Guillory pulled up to a stretch of cafes in the downtown shopping district, where Floyd was waiting on the sidewalk. Because there were no parking spaces, Guillory asked Johnson to circle the block in the SUV until Guillory was ready to be picked up. Johnson exited the passenger side of the vehicle, at which point Johnson saw Floyd and the two exchanged greetings. Johnson then got into the driver’s seat and proceeded to circle the block while Guillory and Floyd met.

After approximately 15 minutes, Johnson saw Guillory waiting on the curb in front of the stretch of cafes and pulled over to pick him up. Once Guillory was inside the vehicle, he produced a white envelope with cash inside. Guillory told Johnson that Floyd had given him “a grand,” and Johnson was able to view $100 bills inside the envelope. He said he believed there appeared to be “substantially” more than $1,000, although he did not count the bills.

A former sports writer who worked for the Long Beach Press-Telegram for 16 years, Johnson told Yahoo! Sports he befriended Guillory while covering the prep basketball circuit in California in the late 1990s. That bond eventually extended into a friendship with Mayo, whom Johnson said he got to know through Guillory in the summer of 2006. Johnson said he took several trips with Guillory to spend time with Mayo during the player’s senior year at Huntington High School in Huntington, W.Va. in the 2006-2007 season. And once Mayo arrived at USC, Johnson was a consistent member of the player’s inner circle along with Guillory.

However, Johnson’s relationship with Mayo and Guillory deteriorated in March 2008. He said his eventual break from the inner circle – and his decision to go public with allegations of extra benefits – occurred for two reasons. First, he became increasingly disturbed by what he viewed as Mayo being “pimped” by Guillory, who Johnson alleged was receiving thousands of dollars on a monthly basis from BDA Sports. BDA declined to comment. Second, Johnson said he feared retribution from other members of Mayo’s inner circle who he believes felt threatened by Johnson’s relationship with Mayo.

“The problem that happens in these situations is G-R-E-E-D, first and foremost, and then P-O-W-E-R,” Johnson said. “Those two things kill these types of situations all the time. People get greedy and people get power-hungry. Once that happens, that’s it.

“I tried to talk to Rodney about putting an end to what was going on [around Mayo] before it got anymore out of hand. But he had no interest in that. He had blinders on. The money was all right there and he didn’t care necessarily what was going to happen.”

It was that fallout that led to Johnson’s appearance on ESPN’s “Outside The Lines.” He told Yahoo! Sports that he withheld the information about the payment from Floyd to Guillory at that time because he has family in Southern California and didn’t want it to appear that he was “taking down USC.” However, the information about the alleged Floyd payment was divulged to federal authorities, who sought an interview with Johnson as part of an investigation into Guillory and his dealings with Mayo.

The allegation regarding Floyd could be a significant point in the NCAA’s probe of USC. The NCAA could determine that the school showed lack of institutional control or failure to monitor. According to NCAA guidelines, any cash payment from Floyd to Mayo or one of Mayo’s associates would be considered an extra benefit. And a payment to Guillory would appear to be particularly damning because of Guillory’s prior history with the NCAA.

Guillory was previously investigated in 2000 for his involvement with former USC basketball player Jeff Trepagnier and former Fresno State basketball player Tito Maddox. USC briefly suspended Trepagnier for his involvement with Guillory in 2000, but Trepagnier was later cleared of any charges. However, the NCAA found that Guillory had broken NCAA rules by purchasing airfare for Maddox. Later, Maddox painted Guillory as the go-between who helped arrange delivery of cars and cash payments – some payments coming directly from Guillory, according to published reports.

Multiple sources told Yahoo! Sports that Guillory is currently under investigation by the FBI, IRS and U.S. Attorney’s Office for his alleged dealings with Mayo. Sources have told Yahoo! Sports that federal authorities are particularly interested in Guillory’s use of a credit card linked to a fraudulent sickle cell foundation. Johnson said the card linked to the foundation was used to make purchases for Mayo after BDA Sports stopped providing Guillory with funds. The foundation was set up by one of Guillory’s friends, Tony Hicks, who is also being investigated by the FBI for his involvement. Hicks could not be reached for comment.

Spokespersons for the FBI, IRS and U.S. Attorney’s Office declined to comment.

[Neuqua]

SHOCKING !!!!!!!

[DeToxRox]

Multiple sources told Yahoo! Sports that Guillory is currently under investigation by the FBI, IRS and U.S. Attorney’s Office for his alleged dealings with Mayo. Sources have told Yahoo! Sports that federal authorities are particularly interested in Guillory’s use of a credit card linked to a fraudulent sickle cell foundation. Johnson said the card linked to the foundation was used to make purchases for Mayo after BDA Sports stopped providing Guillory with funds. The foundation was set up by one of Guillory’s friends, Tony Hicks, who is also being investigated by the FBI for his involvement. Hicks could not be reached for comment.

This part stuck out to me the most. If all these Government agencies are investigating Guillory and this turns out to be true with Floyd, how does the NCAA not do anything? I mean if he paid him they have to anyway, but this seemingly would put extreme pressure on the NCAA if the Government is taking action and they are not.

[MrBug708]

Fuck Me

Signed,
Pete Carroll

Seriously though. $1000 for Mayo? And you just give it to him like that? Does USC not have any boosters?

[sooner333]

First thing I thought when I read this was: Yahoo! Sports.

[molson]

It's so ridiculous that a guy like this played in college.

Though on the other hand, he might have made more at USC than he would in Europe while he's waiting to be eligible for the draft.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by sooner333

First thing I thought when I read this was: Yahoo! Sports.

They have been pretty consistent breaking stories like this out of LA. They broke the Reggie Bush story, IIRC. Someone's got some sources.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

They have been pretty consistent breaking stories like this out of LA. They broke the Reggie Bush story, IIRC. Someone's got some sources.

Agreed. I'm not sure why Sooner though that made this an iffy story. They've been nailing down one program after another with perfect accuracy of late. Yahoo Sports is doing a great job of establishing great credibility in regards to recruiting scandals.

[fantom1979]

This is the type of stuff that ruins college basketball

Sincerely,
Jim Calhoun

[Big Fo]

It's nice that Mayo was compensated for his time before he was allowed to move on to bigger and better things.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

It does bear mentioning that Yahoo Sports is likely going to be the source for a lot of big stories moving forward just due to the huge number of insiders that they now have on staff. Yahoo purchased the Rivals Network last year, which means that they have multiple insider sources available at all of the big NCAA athletic programs. Just in the past couple of months, they broke the Connecticut story and the USC story.

[sooner333]

I didn't mean to say that it was iffy. I don't really know anything about it other than what they reported on it. I guess all I was saying was that since it was about USC recruiting, I thought it would be them because they're the only one's investigating it. In fact, they're really the only one's investigating much of anything. ESPN does some stuff, but they're more 24-hour news cycle, even with OTL. Yahoo is willing to dig deep and report stories over time. I like that.

[Arles]

Looks like Arizona might have gotten real lucky on this one. To compare sitting here now with Sean Miller talking about a top 25 recruiting class for 09 or having a "new UA coach Time Floyd paid $1000 to former player" headlines is quite the contrast. I'm now more glad than ever that Floyd decided to stay at USC

[Swaggs]

Man... some marginal D1 school is gonna pay the price for this!

[Logan]

I'm not naive enough to think countless programs aren't buying players...but I just can't in any way understand how a coach would be so stupid to directly hand over money.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Man... some marginal D1 school is gonna pay the price for this!

Northwestern, you're finished! Duke football, we're coming after you!

SI

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Northwestern, you're finished! Duke football, we're coming after you!

By marginal, I think you have to assume non-BCS.

Or someone's lacrosse/hockey team.

[Logan]

Where's EF27? Not that I think he's avoiding it, being one of the most stand-up guys here...just curious what the word/worry is in USC land.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Logan

Where's EF27? Not that I think he's avoiding it, being one of the most stand-up guys here...just curious what the word/worry is in USC land.

Not sure what I can say as anything I say will be rightfully be viewed as biased. I think it is naive for people to take the word of this one guy who has an axe to grind since Mayo didn't sign with the agency that he wanted. The word from USC land is that Floyd appears to have been running a practice at the time that the guy claims to have been paid and that hopefully he'll be able to prove that and shut this story down.

All of that being said, it wouldn't shock me if it was true although it would obviously be very sad.

Edit to add: I also find the amount to be a bit ridiculous. If Floyd was dumb enough to pay the guy, you think he'd get paid a lot more than 1 grand.

[sooner333]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

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Edit to add: I also find the amount to be a bit ridiculous. If Floyd was dumb enough to pay the guy, you think he'd get paid a lot more than 1 grand.

Well, Johnson said that the other guy, upon recieving the cash said "it's a grand," but that he saw 100's and that it looked like well more than would be for a grand. Of course, it could have been a couple 100s, then some 20s and 10s, or it could have been more. It sounded like Johnson couldn't verify it more than that (or thought that would be a more believable story, if you don't believe him). But for $1,000, it would be dumb...Todd Bozeman even pays more than that!

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Not sure what I can say as anything I say will be rightfully be viewed as biased. I think it is naive for people to take the word of this one guy who has an axe to grind since Mayo didn't sign with the agency that he wanted. The word from USC land is that Floyd appears to have been running a practice at the time that the guy claims to have been paid and that hopefully he'll be able to prove that and shut this story down.

All of that being said, it wouldn't shock me if it was true although it would obviously be very sad.

Edit to add: I also find the amount to be a bit ridiculous. If Floyd was dumb enough to pay the guy, you think he'd get paid a lot more than 1 grand.

That fact that you heard this is funny because Petros was saying that he was on a flight to ASU at that same time.

Unfortunately, Floyd doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt

[DeToxRox]

On the Rivals board there are rumors that Floyd is out as coach at USC and Noel Johnson was let out of his LOI.

[Eaglesfan27]

Nothing on the USC board about Floyd (although there are people calling for him to be fired), but there is talk there that Noel Johnson was let out of his LOI today.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Nothing on the USC board about Floyd (although there are people calling for him to be fired), but there is talk there that Noel Johnson was let out of his LOI today.

On the mainboard (which is not a beacon of credibility) someone said he heard it was happening and a few SC fans posted, one saying Johnson was let out of his LOI. I assume something is happening though if the kids getting out of his LOI.

[DeToxRox]

Dola

I guess Ken Miller of the LA Sentinel is reporting SC and Floyd were working on a buyout on the 21st but I dunno his credibility.

[MrBug708]

Poor USC

[SackAttack]

Wonder if Floyd should have pressed harder on the Arizona job. Seems odd he would have stayed put if he knew the thunder could come down.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Wonder if Floyd should have pressed harder on the Arizona job. Seems odd he would have stayed put if he knew the thunder could come down.

Sanctions would've followed him like Sampson.

[DeToxRox]

Report: USC Trojans coach Tim Floyd submits resignation - ESPN

Floyd submits his resignation.

[MrBug708]

I'd quit too if I saw who was going to be on my team next year.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

USC should prepare for long road back - Mike DeCourcy

[DeToxRox]

USC self imposes sanctions:

Los Angeles, Calif. - The University of Southern California (USC) today announced that it has implemented self-imposed sanctions on its men’s basketball program for violating NCAA rules.

The sanctions are a result of a University investigation that found NCAA rules violations related to O.J. Mayo, who played for the USC’s men’s basketball team during the 2007-2008 season.

“USC takes allegations of NCAA rules violations very seriously. When allegations were made regarding our men’s basketball program we immediately began an investigation and worked closely with the NCAA and the Pac-10 in an attempt to ascertain the truth,” said USC Athletic Director Mike Garrett. “When we’ve done something wrong, we have an obligation to do something about it and that is exactly what we are doing here.”

The self-imposed sanctions for the men’s basketball program include a one-year ban on post-season competition following the 2009-2010 regular season, including the Pac-10 Conference basketball tournament; a reduction of one scholarship for the 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 academic years; a reduction by one of the number of coaches permitted to engage in off-campus recruiting activities during the summer of 2010, and a reduction in the total number of recruiting days by twenty days (from 130 to 110) for the 2010-2011 academic year.

In addition, because of Mayo’s involvement with Rodney Guillory, whom under NCAA rules became a USC booster due to his role in Mayo’s recruitment, USC will vacate all wins during the 2007-2008 regular season, which was when Mayo competed while ineligible. USC will also return to the NCAA the money it received through the Pac-10 Conference for its participation in the 2008 NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Championship Tournament.

These self-imposed sanctions impact only the men’s basketball program, and do not affect any other program.

“We have very high standards for our faculty, athletic department, staff and students,” said USC Senior Vice President Todd R. Dickey. “We expect and demand that everyone associated with the University live up to these standards. Nothing is more important than the integrity of this institution and its people.”

Mr. Garrett said, “We believe the self-imposed sanctions are consistent with penalties imposed at other NCAA member institutions which have been cited with similar rules infractions. Although we are disappointed that rules were violated, we look forward to moving past this matter and to the future success of our men’s basketball program.”

Kevin O’Neill, head men’s basketball coach for USC added, "I think the University did the right thing in self-imposing sanctions. I respect and understand the action that was taken. Our players have risen to many challenges already this season and I am proud of what they have accomplished. I am confident that they will rise to this latest challenge.

“As their coach, I will do everything in my power to make our program better on and off the court every day,” he said. “Our job as a team now is to move forward in a positive manner. We have 16 games left to play this season. I have no doubt that our players will prepare and play well in those games. While it is unfortunate that our players won't have the chance to compete in the post-season, that just makes every game for us now a post-season game.”

Mr. Garrett concluded, “While we recognize there may be additional questions about our announcement today or other alleged NCAA infractions, until the NCAA concludes its inquiries, we cannot make any further comment.”

[molson]

So when does the football program finally take responsibility (or take punishment)?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by molson

So when does the football program finally take responsibility (or take punishment)?

The running thought at Bruin Report Online is that USC is trying to throw its basketball program under the bus to save the football program. And hoping this and keeping McKnight out of the Emerald Bowl will display enough "institutional control" for the NCAA not to hit them hard.

Personally, I don't even know what to think. The NCAA has taken so damn long to do anything, I have been figuring they won't do anything at all, or slap on the hand at worst.

I will say this on the basketball stuff--most of the times when these self-imposed sanctions come out ahead of a potential NCAA investigative finding/decision, the sanctions tend to be less than what the NCAA has in mind and the NCAA adds on more. And these are fairly harsh sanctions USC has put on its own hoops program. Which tells me the NCAA is holding a pretty big potential hammer over them, at least for the hoops program.

[Logan]

Obligatory "Middle Tennessee State is fucked!" post.

[MrBug708]

So USC (and their fans) maintained that Floyd can't control what a player does with potential agents, yet they issue sanctions. But Reggie Bush was doing the same thing and did it previous to Mayo setting foot on campus. The school must have a ton of dirt on itself for that "investigation" to still be going on...

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by molson

So when does the football program finally take responsibility (or take punishment)?

Oh don't worry, they are still investigating Reggie Bush. They'll get to the bottom of this.

For real, they threw the NCAA the bone they wanted. NCAA will back off now since they don't want anything to happen to USC.

[Blackadar]

That doesn't sound like sufficient punishment for a coach buying players. One year ban from the tourney for a team that was doubtful to make it at all? Loss of one scholarship for two years? Er, this is punishment?

I really don't care about them vacating wins in 2008 or returning the tourney money from their one-and-done 2008 postseason. The fact is that no matter what they do, they still took the spot of a team that (hopefully) didn't buy players. So that doesn't do much for me.

It seems that a two or three year postseason ban is more appropriate, along with the loss of 3-5 scholarships. But then again, I don't have a dog in this fight and I loathe the NCAA, so I fully expect them to roll over like the dogs they are and close the case.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

That doesn't sound like sufficient punishment for a coach buying players. One year ban from the tourney for a team that was doubtful to make it at all? Loss of one scholarship for two years? Er, this is punishment?

I really don't care about them vacating wins in 2008 or returning the tourney money from their one-and-done 2008 postseason. The fact is that no matter what they do, they still took the spot of a team that (hopefully) didn't buy players. So that doesn't do much for me.

It seems that a two or three year postseason ban is more appropriate, along with the loss of 3-5 scholarships. But then again, I don't have a dog in this fight and I loathe the NCAA, so I fully expect them to roll over like the dogs they are and close the case.

In regards to Hoops, I dunno. Indiana got hit really hard even after self imposing sanctions and they had a sparkling history. I think they will still lower the boom on USC, but it would never happen with football.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

That doesn't sound like sufficient punishment for a coach buying players. One year ban from the tourney for a team that was doubtful to make it at all?

Have you watched this team play at all this year? This team handled Tennessee and have swept the Arizona teams. After being predicted to be in the bottom of the Pac-10, they have played like one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the Pac-10 since Garrity became eligible. This team had a great shot at the tourney with the way they were playing defense. They held their last 8 opponents to their lowest scoring totals of the year.

The difference between this and the football case is that USC had already been burned by Guillory in the past.. they should have known better. They had no reason to know that Bush was receiving illegal benefits if he was (which he probably was. Shit goes on at every program in America.)

[sooner333]

Truth is, we don't know what's going on with USC in football (or basketball until today) because they are a private school. Big public schools have to put up with weekly Freedom of Information Act requests from multiple news sources which release secondary violations and reports that are submitted to the NCAA. Thus, when a big program gets in trouble, there's some news to report.

USC is a private school, so they are not subject to such requests. Because of this, there is no news to report so essentially unless the reporters investgiate themselves (i.e., Yahoo! Sports), there is nothing to put in the papers.

I expect USC football will have something happen, probably minor. I bet that the NCAA will tack on a little more to USC...maybe another year without a scholarship, or maybe 2 next year.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Have you watched this team play at all this year? This handled Tennessee and have swept the Arizona teams. After being predicted to be in the bottom of the Pac-10, they have played like one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the Pac-10 since Garrity became eligible. This team had a great shot at the tourney with the way they were playing defense. They held their last 8 opponents to their lowest scoring totals of the year.

The difference between this and the football case is that USC had already been burned by Guillory in the past.. they should have known better. They had no reason to know that Bush was receiving illegal benefits if he was (which he probably was. Shit goes on at every program in America.)

No, I hadn't seen them play this year and thanks for correcting me. I knew they were supposed to be lousy from the pre-season shows, but I don't keep up with college basketball much and this is ACC country, so all I hear about is Duke and UNC. It seems that they are better than advertised.

Still, a one year ban isn't sufficient in my book. They took someone else's spot a couple of years ago - a spot that another team earned and was denied because USC cheated. Returning the money doesn't make up for that. To me, they need at least a two year ban on the tournament - one to make up for stealing a spot in 2008 and one as the punishment for the crime.

[MrBug708]

NCAA meetings with USC start today.

I think the fact that the NCAA isnt even going to wait for the Bush case to be resolved before deciding punishment, doesnt bode well for them

[molson]

Pete Carroll's there, which is odd, I thought these coaches just slashed and burned through these programs when they were done with them...

So it looks like infraction committee meetings through Saturday, and then I guess, what, maybe 10-12 years before we have some kind of decision?

[MrBug708]

Pete Carroll is going to need a job in a few years and I dont think anyone expects Kiffin to be at USC long term, at least anyone other then USC fans

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by molson

Pete Carroll's there, which is odd, I thought these coaches just slashed and burned through these programs when they were done with them...

So it looks like infraction committee meetings through Saturday, and then I guess, what, maybe 10-12 years before we have some kind of decision?

Even though PC has his faults, loyalty is not one of them.

The hearings are over. USC President Steven Sample alluding to the fact that no one is aloud to comment on the hearings, said "I can't even say no comment. It'll come out. It'll be great."