Werewolf XVII: Return of the Wolves - Page 27

pennywisesb · 11-23-2005, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Well, it looks like you guys have it all figured out. Congratulations

Do you care to give evidence why you aren't a wolf? Comments like the above don't have me re-thinking my conclusions.

Raiders Army · 11-23-2005, 03:48 PM

What evidence could I possibly give you? I don't think I've been cleared by anyone so I'm somewhat resigned to my fate. Here's my catch-22:

If I "offer" someone else up to you guys, I'm a wolf. If I don't, then I'm a wolf. I'm screwed in either case, so I'm going to take my ball and go home...

(j/k on the ball thing. Play all you want!)

Raiders Army · 11-23-2005, 03:49 PM

And besides, I'm Cocky and Funny. The Cocky part I have...Funny is another story.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pennywisesb

Dubb, any thoughts? Are we down to 2 wolves or do you still think there is another one?

There almost has to be 3. No other reason for Barkeep to pull this ploy right now. Like I said, he was in the clear and most likely thought that he could get away with anything, but I don't think he would do this if he won the vote tonight, I was lynched and proved a villager and they still didn't win.....

On second thought, lets play the numbers game and assume Barkeep is the brutal...

5 villages
2 wolves

I'm killed tonight

4 villagers
2 wolves

another in the night kill

3 villagers
2 wolves

Barkeep is lynched and takes a villager with him

2 villagers
1 wolf

Wolves kill a villager

1 villager
1 wolf

Wolves win. We could easily only be up against 2 wolf at this point. Like I said, end game strategy.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 03:58 PM

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but I'm unsure of Saldana and Cronin at this point.

St. Cronin was the witness. Unless bribed(and I know this isn't a mafia game), Cronin is still the witness.

pennywisesb · 11-23-2005, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

St. Cronin was the witness. Unless bribed(and I know this isn't a mafia game), Cronin is still the witness.

Good point. Your analysis above is really good too. I'm almost certain then that we are down to 2 wolves.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Is there a deadline this week, or do we have until after thanksgiving?

tonight is the last night, then we take the break. The deadline is still 8PM I do believe.

Barkeep49 · 11-23-2005, 04:50 PM

Wow. I'm amazed.

Ask yourself: Why would I come out as a blessed if I'm a wolf? I have even more trust than dubb does at this point thanks to Ardent's faith in me. Let me repeat that another way: THE SEER HAD TRUST in me. Why would the seer say such a thing? The conclusion is inescapable: he had viewed me, and found me to be a villager. Such a conclusion does not surprise me in the least.

Clearly the wolves panicked when they failed in their kill last night and out dubb came. Like I said, I think they thought that the identity fo the attacker was revealed through the blessed hence dubb's pre-emptive strike.

I make no statement for Raiders, as he will have to stand or fall on his own merits. However, the villagers have made a lot of poor plays in this game, such as killing the herbalist on the first day. To now not believe the Seer strikes me as the most foolish of all.

st.cronin · 11-23-2005, 04:51 PM

UNVOTE PENNYWISESB

VOTE RAIDER'S ARMY

Barkeep49 · 11-23-2005, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

There almost has to be 3. No other reason for Barkeep to pull this ploy right now. Like I said, he was in the clear and most likely thought that he could get away with anything, but I don't think he would do this if he won the vote tonight, I was lynched and proved a villager and they still didn't win.....

Notice how he has had trouble coming up for a reason that I've said what I've said. I was in the clear. If I say nothing today and let dubb get away with his lie, I continue to be alive. Why should I risk my neck except to get a wolf?

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 04:55 PM

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Like I said, I think they thought that the identity fo the attacker was revealed through the blessed hence dubb's pre-emptive strike.

I'm not that stupid first off. And if you continue through the thread you will see the numbers game we played and the reason for you coming out today. You kill me today in the vote, you guys win. We worked through the numbers Mr. Brutal Wolf.

Barkeep49 · 11-23-2005, 04:57 PM

Well then it is just as likely for you to be the brutal wolf isn't it? Convient that YOU were the one who came up with the numbers, no? Guess it shows that striking first is striking right.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Well then it is just as likely for you to be the brutal wolf isn't it?

No, I'm not a wolf. I already said how I would have played this. You FUBAR today Barkeep. Even being the brutal I would not have came out today.

Barkeep49 · 11-23-2005, 05:00 PM

Well amazingly enough now seems like a good time to post the thing I was holding back before when I voted for dubb. I held it back because it seemed circumstantial. However, with the new facts it seems important.

After SnDvls kill was announced there were only three of us in the thread between when the kill went up and Neon posted the answers to some questions: Hoops, Dubb, and myself. I thought it likely that the wolves were the ones asking for clarification since they had the most to gain by learning about the blessed. Now that we know that hoops was a wolf, this makes even more sense as Dubb and he were clearly communicating. Circumstantial before, damning now I think.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 05:00 PM

FUBAR=Fucked up being all repair for those who don't know.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Well amazingly enough now seems like a good time to post the thing I was holding back before when I voted for dubb. I held it back because it seemed circumstantial. However, with the new facts it seems important.

After SnDvls kill was announced there were only three of us in the thread between when the kill went up and Neon posted the answers to some questions: Hoops, Dubb, and myself. I thought it likely that the wolves were the ones asking for clarification since they had the most to gain by learning about the blessed. Now that we know that hoops was a wolf, this makes even more sense as Dubb and he were clearly communicating. Circumstantial before, damning now I think.

Reaching for straws? I don't even remember this happening, let me go back through the thread.

Barkeep49 · 11-23-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

No, I'm not a wolf. I already said how I would have played this. You FUBAR today Barkeep. Even being the brutal I would not have came out today.

So we're just supposed to believe that you'd tell us your true strategy? If someoen else had come up with your "number" analysis it would give it more credibility.

One of us was cleared by the seer, one of us was not. That should be the beginning and the end of this story. I see penny is also in the thread. I still have faith that the villagers will see dubb's play, with complete strategy now revealed, for what it is. It's a bold play telling the complete truth about why the brutal wolf should reveal himself now. I hope penny, st.cronin, king, raiders, and saldana see it for what it truly is.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Well amazingly enough now seems like a good time to post the thing I was holding back before when I voted for dubb. I held it back because it seemed circumstantial. However, with the new facts it seems important.

After SnDvls kill was announced there were only three of us in the thread between when the kill went up and Neon posted the answers to some questions: Hoops, Dubb, and myself. I thought it likely that the wolves were the ones asking for clarification since they had the most to gain by learning about the blessed. Now that we know that hoops was a wolf, this makes even more sense as Dubb and he were clearly communicating. Circumstantial before, damning now I think.

Here is another lie guys. Go through the thread yourselves. SNDVLS was lynched on pg. 10. My next post is on pg. 11 trying to make sense of SirFozzie's death over 3 hours later.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 05:10 PM

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One of us was cleared by the seer

Lets get 1 thing straight. You were cleared by my interpretation of Ardent's play. No one else has even tried to interpret it. You were never cleared by Ardent. The same time he listed you as in his zone of trust he listed Blade. Then when Blade died he just listed you, but it was obvious that he scanned RPI and Hoopsguy, I just assumed he scanned you. It is now looking more like he scanned Blade.

Barkeep49 · 11-23-2005, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Here is another lie guys. Go through the thread yourselves. SNDVLS was lynched on pg. 10. My next post is on pg. 11 trying to make sense of SirFozzie's death over 3 hours later.

Right. You were in the thread for an extended period of time without posting. It was what raised my suspicion.

Barkeep49 · 11-23-2005, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

The same time he listed you as in his zone of trust he listed Blade.

Blade turned out to be a villager when killed by the wolves. This is the best evidence yet for why I should be spared. The wolves saw me as a target: I had been cleared by the seer. They attempted to kill me, and got unlucky becuase I was blessed. The rest has been one long deception play by dubb.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Right. You were in the thread for an extended period of time without posting. It was what raised my suspicion.

You ever think I may have been trying to...you know....gasp...try and get some evidence and review what the hell just happened? I'm not going to deny that I was in the thread a while without posting or not, b/c honestly I have no freakin clue, but if I was it was to move the voting along since I cast the first vote the next day.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Blade turned out to be a villager when killed by the wolves. This is the best evidence yet for why I should be spared. The wolves saw me as a target: I had been cleared by the seer. They attempted to kill me, and got unlucky becuase I was blessed. The rest has been one long deception play by dubb.

Ardent had 3 views before his death. 1 was RPI, 2 was Blade, 3 was Hoopsguy.

pennywisesb · 11-23-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Blade turned out to be a villager when killed by the wolves. This is the best evidence yet for why I should be spared. The wolves saw me as a target: I had been cleared by the seer. They attempted to kill me, and got unlucky becuase I was blessed. The rest has been one long deception play by dubb.

In other games that may have made sense, but in this game, due to your low activity level, I don't think you would have been a good target. I think you are grasping at straws here with this defense.

Barkeep49 · 11-23-2005, 05:16 PM

Wrong again Dubb. Ardent had 4 views. Nights 0-3.

Barkeep49 · 11-23-2005, 05:17 PM

Furthermore, if ardent cleared Blade and placed us in the same level of trust that should mean we were equally as likely to be scanned. The seer clearing me is where your argument falls short. Each statement you make proves this more and more.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 05:17 PM

It doesn't say there is a night 0 action, and rarely is there one. Everytime there has been it was always written in the rules, try again.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Furthermore, if ardent cleared Blade and placed us in the same level of trust that should mean we were equally as likely to be scanned. The seer clearing me is where your argument falls short. Each statement you make proves this more and more.

He never cleared you. I cleared you, and you are trying to use that against me. If I was a wolf I would have known it was you that were attacked, why would I want to try and outplay a guy that I have already cleared instead of letting it go?

You are trying to make me out to be an idiot here, which I am not.

Barkeep49 · 11-23-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

ROLES HAVE BEEN SENT OUT. Cupid, you pick two players who are "lovers". Seer, you may view a player in Night(0). There will be no kills in Night(0). Voting begins on Wednesday, deadline will be at 8:00 PM EST.

No you lose wolf.

st.cronin · 11-23-2005, 05:21 PM

UNVOTE RAIDER'S ARMY

VOTE BARKEEP 49

I think I'm finally convinced... we'll find out soon enough.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Simple game, no?

Gauging interest. Just post below if you want in.

:Primary Roles: (Each player is guaranteed to one of these roles)
Werewolf - You belong to a pack of werewolves. You may choose to kill one person each night.
Villager - You are a villager, and your sole purpose is to survive.
Seer - You are the seer, and can view the true identity of a man or wolf. Each night you may choose to view the true identity of one player.
Herbalist - You possess a bag of wolfsbane, the deadliest herb known to all wolfkind. Each night, you may choose to protect someone by slipping wolfsbane upon him. You may not choose someone two nights in a row. You may, however, choose yourself.
Duke - You are the Duke, disguised as a petty farmer, as a one-time action you may choose to prevent one person from being lynched and instead have someone else be the target of the lynching.
Witness - As a one-time skill, you may choose to view the killing of an innocent during the night. If noone is killed, then you waste your view.

:Supplementary Roles, Villager/Seer/Herbalist/Duke/Witness: (You may or may not be given these roles, note that there could be one or more of these)
Cursed - You are cursed, and have been so since birth. If bitten by a werewolf, you will join their ranks. Of course, you will not know that you are cursed until you are bitten by a wolf.
Blessed - You are blessed, and have been so since birth. If bitten by a werewolf, you will be granted a second chance at life. You do not know that you are blessed until bitten by a werewolf... note that this does not save you from lynching.
Cupid - In a previous life, you were Cupid. In the beginning of the game, you may assign two players to be "lovers". You may not choose yourself.

:Supplementaty Roles, Werewolves: (You may or may not be given these roles, note that there could be one or more of these)
Brutal - You are a vicious wolf, and if lynched, you may choose to bring one person of your choice to the grave with you.
Cunning - You are a deceitful wolf, and if lynched, you will not reveal yourself as a werewolf upon death.

:Supplementary Roles, All: (You may or may not be given these roles, note that there could be one or more of these)
Lover - You are fraternally and eternally bonded with your "lover", upon the death of your lover, you shall die as well. You know who your "lover" is, and vice versa. However, you may not PM each other.

Rules:

There will be two phases, a Day Phase and a Night Phase.

During the Day Phase, everyone votes to lynch one player. In case of a tie, the player who got his first vote last will be lynched.

During the Night Phase, all players with Night actions may choose to do their actions, or do nothing at all. Only one Werewolf will PM me the Werewolves' choice of slaughter, and that Werewolf will do the killing.

Note that a supplementary role may be mixed with a primary role, so we might have a "Seer/Blessed" in the game, or a "Duke/Cursed". The effect of being Cursed is that you lose your primary role and become a werewolf instead.

If a player is lynched, his Primary Role is revealed, if a Cunning wolf is killed, he will only be viewed as a Villager.

Deadlines are still tentative.

Werewolves win if they reach a 1:1 ratio with the villagers. Villagers win if all werewolves are dead.

Players: (If you're not in here and you signed up, tell me)
SackAttack
st.cronin
kingfc22
Raiders Army
Passacaglia
hoopsguy
RPI-Fan
ardent enthusiast
pennywisesb
SnDvls
McSweeny
Schmidty
SirFozzie
dubb93
Barkeep49

I don't see that anywhere in this post.

Barkeep49 · 11-23-2005, 05:24 PM

Try post 39. Just because you make things up, doesn't mean I do.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 05:25 PM

post 39. That still don't mean he viewed you. My best guess is he viewed his lover on that night. Although that is strichtly a guess. But I will make ya a bet over this if you aren't against bets.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 05:25 PM

How about this, at the end of the game I turn out to be a wolf, I won't long in for a month, you turn out to be a wolf, you don't log in for a month.

Barkeep49 · 11-23-2005, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

post 39. That still don't mean he viewed you. My best guess is he viewed his lover on that night. Although that is strichtly a guess. But I will make ya a bet over this if you aren't against bets.

I've always been against bets and have told Ardent such. On Night 0 he couldn't have viewed his lover, as cupid hadn't sent that out yet. Cronin: his house of cards is falling down. Please please make the right decision here so you can win your first game.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 05:31 PM

My bet still stands with or without him. Anyway, it all depends on when Ardent sent in his view and when Fozzie sent in his lovers. I'm standing by my prediction.

RPI-Fan · 11-23-2005, 05:38 PM

Can we please set an official "No bets" rule ASAP?

SirFozzie · 11-23-2005, 05:41 PM

agreed

st.cronin · 11-23-2005, 05:46 PM

I also agree. It's very poor form.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 05:48 PM

ight then, the bet is off, but you analyze enough Ardent posts and runs off on ya little bit.

Poli · 11-23-2005, 05:50 PM

OOG: Dubb, I've already apologized for introducing the betting phase into the game. If it's not clear, let me be now. I probably shouldn't have started it.

I don't view it as "poor form," but it hurts the game, be it for the wolves or villagers. Bets press a player into a level of honesty that probably shouldn't be allowed in this game.

Poli · 11-23-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

ight then, the bet is off, but you analyze enough Ardent posts and runs off on ya little bit.

Who, me?

Poli · 11-23-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Can we please set an official "No bets" rule ASAP?

Not necessary, I won't be introducing this into future games.

Raiders Army · 11-23-2005, 05:58 PM

So all bets are off?

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

So all bets are off?

, you could say that

Raiders Army · 11-23-2005, 06:00 PM

I am cocky and funny for at least 7 more posts.

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I am cocky and funny for at least 7 more posts.

You do realize you are still in a game of werewolf, right?

dubb93 · 11-23-2005, 06:04 PM

...b/c I'm not sure you realize it is still going on based on your last 3 posts...

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And besides, I'm Cocky and Funny. The Cocky part I have...Funny is another story.

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So all bets are off?

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I am cocky and funny for at least 7 more posts.

Poli · 11-23-2005, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

So all bets are off?

Yessir.

Raiders Army · 11-23-2005, 06:09 PM

So I'm not funny???????

11-23-2005, 05:38 PM	#1337
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Can we please set an official "No bets" rule ASAP? __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

11-23-2005, 05:41 PM	#1338
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	agreed __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

11-23-2005, 05:50 PM	#1341
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	OOG: Dubb, I've already apologized for introducing the betting phase into the game. If it's not clear, let me be now. I probably shouldn't have started it. I don't view it as "poor form," but it hurts the game, be it for the wolves or villagers. Bets press a player into a level of honesty that probably shouldn't be allowed in this game. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

11-23-2005, 03:48 PM	#1302
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	What evidence could I possibly give you? I don't think I've been cleared by anyone so I'm somewhat resigned to my fate. Here's my catch-22: If I "offer" someone else up to you guys, I'm a wolf. If I don't, then I'm a wolf. I'm screwed in either case, so I'm going to take my ball and go home... (j/k on the ball thing. Play all you want!)

11-23-2005, 03:49 PM	#1303
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	And besides, I'm Cocky and Funny. The Cocky part I have...Funny is another story.

11-23-2005, 04:50 PM	#1308
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Wow. I'm amazed. Ask yourself: Why would I come out as a blessed if I'm a wolf? I have even more trust than dubb does at this point thanks to Ardent's faith in me. Let me repeat that another way: THE SEER HAD TRUST in me. Why would the seer say such a thing? The conclusion is inescapable: he had viewed me, and found me to be a villager. Such a conclusion does not surprise me in the least. Clearly the wolves panicked when they failed in their kill last night and out dubb came. Like I said, I think they thought that the identity fo the attacker was revealed through the blessed hence dubb's pre-emptive strike. I make no statement for Raiders, as he will have to stand or fall on his own merits. However, the villagers have made a lot of poor plays in this game, such as killing the herbalist on the first day. To now not believe the Seer strikes me as the most foolish of all.

11-23-2005, 04:51 PM	#1309
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	UNVOTE PENNYWISESB VOTE RAIDER'S ARMY

11-23-2005, 04:57 PM	#1312
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Well then it is just as likely for you to be the brutal wolf isn't it? Convient that YOU were the one who came up with the numbers, no? Guess it shows that striking first is striking right.

11-23-2005, 05:00 PM	#1314
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Well amazingly enough now seems like a good time to post the thing I was holding back before when I voted for dubb. I held it back because it seemed circumstantial. However, with the new facts it seems important. After SnDvls kill was announced there were only three of us in the thread between when the kill went up and Neon posted the answers to some questions: Hoops, Dubb, and myself. I thought it likely that the wolves were the ones asking for clarification since they had the most to gain by learning about the blessed. Now that we know that hoops was a wolf, this makes even more sense as Dubb and he were clearly communicating. Circumstantial before, damning now I think.

11-23-2005, 05:16 PM	#1325
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Wrong again Dubb. Ardent had 4 views. Nights 0-3.

11-23-2005, 05:17 PM	#1326
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Furthermore, if ardent cleared Blade and placed us in the same level of trust that should mean we were equally as likely to be scanned. The seer clearing me is where your argument falls short. Each statement you make proves this more and more.

11-23-2005, 05:21 PM	#1330
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	UNVOTE RAIDER'S ARMY VOTE BARKEEP 49 I think I'm finally convinced... we'll find out soon enough.

11-23-2005, 05:24 PM	#1332
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Try post 39. Just because you make things up, doesn't mean I do.

11-23-2005, 05:46 PM	#1339
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I also agree. It's very poor form.

11-23-2005, 05:58 PM	#1344
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	So all bets are off?

11-23-2005, 06:00 PM	#1346
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I am cocky and funny for at least 7 more posts.

11-23-2005, 06:09 PM	#1350
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	So I'm not funny???????

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