Werewolf: Hunt for Necromancers - GAME OVER! Post #3469 - Page 19

Coffee Warlord · 06-20-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

i knew this would be asked eventually, and i acknowledge that i am a shitty bad guy in WW, but i would have to suck really badly to expose myself as far as i did today. the best i could hope for would be a one for one exchange (cronin for myself) and in a 22 man game, thats a pretty shitty exchange for day 1

How you figure? It's nowhere CLOSE to a straight 1 for 1, especially on a day like this, when it still felt like day 1 shot in the dark voting. Today would have been a very easy day to lead a charge on a good guy and get away with it.

Blade6119 · 06-20-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

i knew this would be asked eventually, and i acknowledge that i am a shitty bad guy in WW, but i would have to suck really badly to expose myself as far as i did today. the best i could hope for would be a one for one exchange (cronin for myself) and in a 22 man game, thats a pretty shitty exchange for day 1

Well, possible you though he was the EG or mystic, as the necros didnt know cronins role, only he was out. 1-1 to kill the seer or bodyguard is a win in my mind.

Or you knew it would look to obvious and you could play it off exactly like you are. "do you really think im that stupid" kind of thing

st.cronin · 06-20-2006, 09:42 PM

hoops said I could post this

r/l kept me away for the entire time I was silenced - I didn't have anything more to say

Bek · 06-20-2006, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

I think the key question we have to ask now is if we believe that the dogpile and the silence were cooridnated events. If we assume they are then the late voters aren't really good choices.

Or should we be???...the necros could have just made a comment and then one of us acted upon it and in turn codemned own teammate to death...and then they piled on at the end to elude suspicion...i dont know for sure im just throwing things out there that we should keep an eye on

Tyrith · 06-20-2006, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Well, the reason I'm including the dogpilers is due to the timing of the votes. The other major lynch candidate was Bek, and it was only due to the later votes that Cronin even took the lead.

I think there were a lot of people that probably used bek as a, "well crap, where do I put my vote?" candidate. Cronin came along and at least had SOMETHING, so the votes fled to someone they could lynch and not feel like they shot the family dog. I know this feeling exists; I went with it twice in 27, once when I went off path day three and tried to stir up something, and again when I started the mess against you, coffee. So you do have a point to a degree, but most of those votes had to flee for natural reasons.

hoopsguy · 06-20-2006, 09:44 PM

BTW, mailbox cleared and ready for more PMs (not that posting it was nearly full stopped people earlier

)

st.cronin · 06-20-2006, 09:44 PM

dola

so neener neener neener to the bad guys

saldana · 06-20-2006, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

How you figure? It's nowhere CLOSE to a straight 1 for 1, especially on a day like this, when it still felt like day 1 shot in the dark voting. Today would have been a very easy day to lead a charge on a good guy and get away with it.

i said its a one to one exchange because as is most likely going to happen tomorrow, i am going to be lynched...if i were a bad guy, i would have gotten one good guy lynched, followed by myself....so 1 good guy lynched....1 bad guy lynched.

Coffee Warlord · 06-20-2006, 09:45 PM

Anyway. Gonna play some Civ for awhile, and crash. Hopefully I don't have to read like 6 pages tomorrow morning.

Blade6119 · 06-20-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

BTW, mailbox cleared and ready for more PMs (not that posting it was nearly full stopped people earlier

)

Can i send you some PMs? Id love to talk, its going to be a lonely night if my date doesnt get over her cold pretty quick.

hoopsguy · 06-20-2006, 09:47 PM

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Can i send you some PMs? Id love to talk, its going to be a lonely night if my date doesnt get over her cold pretty quick.

I knew as I was typing my message that it was a mistake ...

Blade6119 · 06-20-2006, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I knew as I was typing my message that it was a mistake ...

LOL, your a dork hoops. Ill see ya around town

saldana · 06-20-2006, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Well, possible you though he was the EG or mystic, as the necros didnt know cronins role, only he was out. 1-1 to kill the seer or bodyguard is a win in my mind.

Or you knew it would look to obvious and you could play it off exactly like you are. "do you really think im that stupid" kind of thing

that would be a pretty good play, i will be sure to remember it the next time i am a bad guy, but the truth of the matter in this case is that i am an Egyptian.

and the reason i felt the need to come out so strongly today is because both you and hoops werent here to do it on our teams behalf, as you so often do early in games.

i saw something that i thought was out of place and pushed on it..i was wrong and cost us the explorer, and will hopefully not die because of it.

Tyrith · 06-20-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Well, possible you though he was the EG or mystic, as the necros didnt know cronins role, only he was out. 1-1 to kill the seer or bodyguard is a win in my mind.

Or you knew it would look to obvious and you could play it off exactly like you are. "do you really think im that stupid" kind of thing

This thought had occured to me. The EG is almost certainly in the game; the explorer may or may not have been. I'm not sure if the mystic role would involve leaving the room or not. It would be a greater degree of risk in order to try to kill a BG, especially since it probably wouldn't be a straight 1 for 1 if done right. Even so, it's still pretty damn stupid for saldana to do it, because the manner he did it was too obvious and flamboyant. The only way it would work is a massive chain of reverse psychology and we usually don't go that far into it.

Blade6119 · 06-20-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

that would be a pretty good play, i will be sure to remember it the next time i am a bad guy, but the truth of the matter in this case is that i am an Egyptian.

and the reason i felt the need to come out so strongly today is because both you and hoops werent here to do it on our teams behalf, as you so often do early in games.

i saw something that i thought was out of place and pushed on it..i was wrong and cost us the explorer, and will hopefully not die because of it.

I appreciate you picking up my slack

. You wont be my vote tomorrow right now, im just catching up with a little bit of my pushing slack. Gotta look under a few rocks before everyone heads to bed.

dubb93 · 06-20-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I've *love* for Sun to clear Dubb if he can.

That would be impossible, although I'm sure he could come in and say that he's clean if you really need him to confirm that part

SnDvls · 06-20-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I've *love* for Sun to clear Dubb if he can.

wish I could, but I can't. As I've stated before I'm just a normal, nothing special Egyptian.

Abe Sargent · 06-20-2006, 10:00 PM

This is a great game so far with tons of participation and lots of interesting things going on so far. I like it! I hope the game I run, which is coming up, will be halfway as good. Thanks to you all!

-Anxiety

saldana · 06-20-2006, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

I believe so, someone mentioned that the explorer could find good or bad items, is that for sure? Obviously if it's a good item path cnan pass it to whomever he trusts which would be a good thing but I think only path at the moment (well, maybe Cronin but I don't think he's allowed to talk) knows if the helmet is good or evil.

the only way to know if an item is good or evil is to have the enchanter or the dreamweaver look at it, so it would have to be passed to them during the night.

saldana · 06-20-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

the only way to know if an item is good or evil is to have the enchanter or the dreamweaver look at it, so it would have to be passed to them during the night.

correction, only the enchanter or the initiate

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Originally Posted by the rules in post 1

Items:
- Scarab of Protection - room cannot be entered that night
- Cursed Scarab - will change seer view (wolf seen as human, human seen as wolf)
- Only the Enchanter and Initiate are able to identify what role an item plays (distinguish between scarabs, for example).

Additional items may be added leading up to start of game, or may remain unidentified in the rules

hoopsguy · 06-20-2006, 10:03 PM

I'm having a blast running it up to this point and would echo those sentiments.

saldana · 06-20-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm having a blast running it up to this point and would echo those sentiments.

yeah, well i think it SUCKS

path12 · 06-20-2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

I think the key question we have to ask now is if we believe that the dogpile and the silence were cooridnated events. If we assume they are then the late voters aren't really good choices.

Don't we get back to the problem that it's likely too early for them to be able to coordinate anything like that swing since they still are searching for each other?

path12 · 06-20-2006, 10:11 PM

So, I've got this helmet.........thoughts?

dubb93 · 06-20-2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

So, I've got this helmet.........thoughts?

Make it your official 'thinkin hat?'

path12 · 06-20-2006, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

that would be a pretty good play, i will be sure to remember it the next time i am a bad guy, but the truth of the matter in this case is that i am an Egyptian.

and the reason i felt the need to come out so strongly today is because both you and hoops werent here to do it on our teams behalf, as you so often do early in games.

i saw something that i thought was out of place and pushed on it..i was wrong and cost us the explorer, and will hopefully not die because of it.

Now, that first statement was just BS. But in catching up with the thread I think you had a valid reason to make the push. I'm not moving you up higher on my list because Cronin ended up good. It was better than any other theories we had.

Not that I don't think you shouldn't be called on it and made to explain, of course.

Passacaglia · 06-20-2006, 10:20 PM

Well, just popped in to find out who got lynched, and the result. 0 for 2, blah. I'll catch up on the 5+ pages tomorrow morning.

path12 · 06-20-2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Make it your official 'thinkin hat?'

You don't believe it'd be interesting to hear what others might think?

saldana · 06-20-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

So, I've got this helmet.........thoughts?

you have a couple choices if i understand the rules correctly, assuming its a usable item and not just a tchotchke that cronin had lying around. but i dont think thats likely or it wouldnt have explicitly said it was given to you.

1. do nothing, you are allowed to hold one item at a time
2. pass the item to someone else....probably not a good idea until you know who the enchanter is so he can figure out if it is good or bad, and at this point, you would have little idea about whether the person you passed it to is good or bad
3. invoke the item....a worse idea, since you have no idea what it will do to you

Tyrith · 06-20-2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Don't we get back to the problem that it's likely too early for them to be able to coordinate anything like that swing since they still are searching for each other?

The person that found cronin would had to have been the head necro. It's not terribly likely, but it's certainly possible.

Side question. Is there some easy way that people find out the number of posts any one person has made in a thread? I'm interested to know; I'm looking back at the last couple of games.

dubb93 · 06-20-2006, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

You don't believe it'd be interesting to hear what others might think?

Well it was a joke b/c I don't think you have any choice but to hold on to it and do nothing. You could envoke it, but seriously, unless you know what it does that could be bad times. And without knowing what it does you can't just blindly pass it around. I would wait until you build a circle of trust or absolutely have to pass it b/c you have another item. Until that time turn it into a thinkin hat.

hoopsguy · 06-20-2006, 10:32 PM

Tyrith, on the main page there is a hyperlink for the number of posts in a thread. If you click on that you can see how many posts each person has in that thread.

Tyrith · 06-20-2006, 10:36 PM

Woot, thanks hoops. The local Mr. Know-It-All isn't half bad

dubb93 · 06-20-2006, 10:39 PM

Barkeep is pwning us in terms of posts in this thread.

saldana · 06-20-2006, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Barkeep is pwning us in terms of posts in this thread.

yeah but i am actually ahead of blade

Blade6119 · 06-20-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Barkeep is pwning us in terms of posts in this thread.

I have an excuse, and ill keep up. Why are you quiet dubb, you are one of the people who hate quiet people.

dubb93 · 06-20-2006, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

I have an excuse, and ill keep up. Why are you quiet dubb, you are one of the people who hate quiet people.

I'm middle of the pack

Actually I'm not sure tomorrow I'll be quite as active as I was today. Just been busy, today was my day off so I tried to enjoy it, and yesterday I was just busy. Tomorrow I'm off too, but I pretty much have a full day planned.

It's OK, I'm keeping up in thread.

Tyrith · 06-20-2006, 10:52 PM

I just find the number of people that have been loitering in the thread amazing compared to the last two games. Sixteen at the lynch, nine still now, nearly two hours after lynch? I know it's easy to just leave the thread open all day (this is why I'm in the thread so much), but still.

kingfc22 · 06-21-2006, 12:05 AM

trying to catch up

Vince · 06-21-2006, 12:12 AM

Interesting. I really thought Saldana had something when we all started jumping ship towards st. cronin. Here's a bunch of random musings...

So how long are we going to use the "the bad guys don't know each other, so we shouldn't assume they're coordinating things" logic? I can see that as a very good ploy for bad guys to use, especially after they have found each other and really are coordinating.

Also, can we afford to leave Saldana alone? Based on the "bad guys don't know each other" logic, lynching him right away isn't quite as automatic as lynching someone who went right after an innocent completely vocally. That being said, I'm pretty sure that there will be lingering suspicions on him for at least a few days because of what transpired today. Can we afford to leave him hanging while going after other people, knowing that at some point we're probably going to railroad him because of today?

There's probably more I could come up with, but I'm drunk (my softball team really sucks), so I'll leave things at that for now.

Alan T · 06-21-2006, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince

Interesting. I really thought Saldana had something when we all started jumping ship towards st. cronin. Here's a bunch of random musings...

So how long are we going to use the "the bad guys don't know each other, so we shouldn't assume they're coordinating things" logic? I can see that as a very good ploy for bad guys to use, especially after they have found each other and really are coordinating.

Also, can we afford to leave Saldana alone? Based on the "bad guys don't know each other" logic, lynching him right away isn't quite as automatic as lynching someone who went right after an innocent completely vocally. That being said, I'm pretty sure that there will be lingering suspicions on him for at least a few days because of what transpired today. Can we afford to leave him hanging while going after other people, knowing that at some point we're probably going to railroad him because of today?

There's probably more I could come up with, but I'm drunk (my softball team really sucks), so I'll leave things at that for now.

Just with how things transpired, I have to feel at least 1 person knew what was going on today.

Vince · 06-21-2006, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Just with how things transpired, I have to feel at least 1 person knew what was going on today.

I think the silencing of st. cronin would corroborate your feeling. But who knew what, and how did they use it to their advantage? Is there any way we can use it to our advantage?

kingfc22 · 06-21-2006, 12:46 AM

Ok. Here are the big highlights for me that occured during the day.

1) We lynched one of our own again.

2) Path now has a helmet. What it does is still unknown and I'm not sure how we can test the item without placing a bullseye on the enchanter. I mean how else is the enchanter going to get an item passed to him withoug revealing himself?
3) Dubb's very stong feeling that sndvls is good.
4) So far only Barkeep and Saldana have been on the lynch side of the vote both times.

kingfc22 · 06-21-2006, 12:46 AM

dola

5) The silencing of st. cronin is also very interesting.

hoopsguy · 06-21-2006, 07:04 AM

The unnatural storms continue unabated - many of you fear that the gods are angry with you for the deaths of two good Egyptians while the necromancers continue to walk the earth. The crackling of thunder makes it difficult for sound to carry from house to house. Morning arrives and once again everyone is safe and accounted for in the village.

Day 3 has begun.

Barkeep49 · 06-21-2006, 07:25 AM

Ok I have to admit I wasn't expecting that. Anyone have any good nighttime experiences to share?

Qwikshot · 06-21-2006, 07:26 AM

Another quiet night, this truly is the calm before the sandstorm...

I still haven't much to go on and this is a giant task in reading, like War and Peace but more interesting.

Qwikshot · 06-21-2006, 07:26 AM

Didn't feel anyone scanning me, like Lathum had stated...did anyone corroborate that? It seemed like he was the only one.

Barkeep49 · 06-21-2006, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Didn't feel anyone scanning me, like Lathum had stated...did anyone corroborate that? It seemed like he was the only one.

I'm hoping someone can corroborate that today.

bulletsponge · 06-21-2006, 07:35 AM

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Ok I have to admit I wasn't expecting that. Anyone have any good nighttime experiences to share?

Jessica Alba visited me in my house last night, but nothing out of the ordinary

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Didn't feel anyone scanning me, like Lathum had stated...did anyone corroborate that? It seemed like he was the only one

damn i hate saying this cause it might put a target on my back but i must say it. am i the only one a bit suspicious of Lathums comments?

06-20-2006, 09:42 PM	#903
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	hoops said I could post this r/l kept me away for the entire time I was silenced - I didn't have anything more to say __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

06-20-2006, 09:44 PM	#907
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	dola so neener neener neener to the bad guys __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

06-20-2006, 10:00 PM	#918
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	This is a great game so far with tons of participation and lots of interesting things going on so far. I like it! I hope the game I run, which is coming up, will be halfway as good. Thanks to you all! -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-20-2006, 10:11 PM	#924
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	So, I've got this helmet.........thoughts? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

06-21-2006, 12:05 AM	#939
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	trying to catch up __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

06-20-2006, 09:44 PM	#906
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	BTW, mailbox cleared and ready for more PMs (not that posting it was nearly full stopped people earlier )

06-20-2006, 09:45 PM	#909
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Anyway. Gonna play some Civ for awhile, and crash. Hopefully I don't have to read like 6 pages tomorrow morning.

06-20-2006, 10:03 PM	#921
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm having a blast running it up to this point and would echo those sentiments.

06-20-2006, 10:20 PM	#927
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Well, just popped in to find out who got lynched, and the result. 0 for 2, blah. I'll catch up on the 5+ pages tomorrow morning.

06-20-2006, 10:32 PM	#932
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Tyrith, on the main page there is a hyperlink for the number of posts in a thread. If you click on that you can see how many posts each person has in that thread.

06-20-2006, 10:36 PM	#933
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Woot, thanks hoops. The local Mr. Know-It-All isn't half bad

06-20-2006, 10:52 PM	#938
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	I just find the number of people that have been loitering in the thread amazing compared to the last two games. Sixteen at the lynch, nine still now, nearly two hours after lynch? I know it's easy to just leave the thread open all day (this is why I'm in the thread so much), but still.

06-21-2006, 12:12 AM	#940
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Interesting. I really thought Saldana had something when we all started jumping ship towards st. cronin. Here's a bunch of random musings... So how long are we going to use the "the bad guys don't know each other, so we shouldn't assume they're coordinating things" logic? I can see that as a very good ploy for bad guys to use, especially after they have found each other and really are coordinating. Also, can we afford to leave Saldana alone? Based on the "bad guys don't know each other" logic, lynching him right away isn't quite as automatic as lynching someone who went right after an innocent completely vocally. That being said, I'm pretty sure that there will be lingering suspicions on him for at least a few days because of what transpired today. Can we afford to leave him hanging while going after other people, knowing that at some point we're probably going to railroad him because of today? There's probably more I could come up with, but I'm drunk (my softball team really sucks), so I'll leave things at that for now. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

06-21-2006, 12:46 AM	#943
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Ok. Here are the big highlights for me that occured during the day. 1) We lynched one of our own again. 2) Path now has a helmet. What it does is still unknown and I'm not sure how we can test the item without placing a bullseye on the enchanter. I mean how else is the enchanter going to get an item passed to him withoug revealing himself? 3) Dubb's very stong feeling that sndvls is good. 4) So far only Barkeep and Saldana have been on the lynch side of the vote both times. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

06-21-2006, 12:46 AM	#944
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	dola 5) The silencing of st. cronin is also very interesting. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

06-21-2006, 07:04 AM	#945
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	End of Night 2, Start of Day 3 The unnatural storms continue unabated - many of you fear that the gods are angry with you for the deaths of two good Egyptians while the necromancers continue to walk the earth. The crackling of thunder makes it difficult for sound to carry from house to house. Morning arrives and once again everyone is safe and accounted for in the village. Day 3 has begun.

06-21-2006, 07:25 AM	#946
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Ok I have to admit I wasn't expecting that. Anyone have any good nighttime experiences to share?

06-21-2006, 07:26 AM	#947
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	Another quiet night, this truly is the calm before the sandstorm... I still haven't much to go on and this is a giant task in reading, like War and Peace but more interesting. __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

06-21-2006, 07:26 AM	#948
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	Didn't feel anyone scanning me, like Lathum had stated...did anyone corroborate that? It seemed like he was the only one. __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

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