tommie harris wins the lombardi

IMetTrentGreen · 12-11-2003, 11:19 AM

unreal. i have never seen a worse player carry some freshman hype so far. the guy is a completely average player who, thanks to brent musburger, is now thought of as an all-world player

i know sooners rush to his defense, saying things like "he gets triple teamed every down" and "he frees up linebackers." well, one, thats not true. watch the ksu game. he gets manhandled by one guy. he had no stats. none. not anything. second, ou gets tackles because they rush 9 guys at first sight of a run. i could play tackle for them

any respect i had for these awards is now gone. texas alone has 4 or 5 guys better than him. ou does, too. most big teams do

must be nice to be a sooner right now

vex · 12-11-2003, 11:25 AM

All respect I had for Texas fans...well nevermind.

Huckleberry · 12-11-2003, 11:28 AM

vex -

Get real. Harris is horribly overrated. He's the 3rd best DT on your team. You can not honestly watch the games and focus on Harris and tell me he's a great defensive tackle. Please don't regurgitate the patently false arguments about his production, because the guy is quite simply a non-productive football player. Dusty Dvoracek is twice the college DT that Harris is.

Do you have any coherent rationale for defending the award or are you going to stick to ad hominem attacks?

The Afoci · 12-11-2003, 11:40 AM

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Mel Kiper from ESPN Insider

Defensive Line
Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma | early first round
You could make a case that Harris is the best defensive player in college football this year. He played through some minor injuries last season yet still demanded double- and triple-teaming. That extra attention has continued this year. He frees up linebackers and opens up sack opportunities for DEs.

This is Mel Kiper. I would say it is safe to say that this guy, along with all the GM's in the NFL that want him, have a much better idea of his talent than some bitter Texas fans that say the same thing over and over again.

Bee · 12-11-2003, 11:42 AM

Yes...but what does Mel Kiper's Hair think?

The Afoci · 12-11-2003, 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by Bee
Yes...but what does Mel Kiper's Hair think?

Trust me, I will quote that as well, once he goes on the record of course.

Huckleberry · 12-11-2003, 11:46 AM

Right. Have you actually watched him play? Focused on him?

I already addressed regurgitation of patently false arguments in my previous post. I am not bitter about Tommie Harris, I hope he stays at OU another year. I feel sorry for his defensive teammates that are getting railroaded by the Harris hype. Dusty Dvoracek deserves numerous awards, but will get none.

Besides, what does "talent" have to do with postseason awards? I don't see WR Roy Williams as a finalist for the Biletnikoff or Heisman and there's a good reason for that. He shouldn't be because he didn't produce as a college football player. So are you telling me the fact that Roy Williams is a highly coveted NFL Draft prospect means he should be winning awards and should be on First Team All-American lists?

Finally, Harris does not demand constant double- and triple-teaming. That is simply bullshit. Watch the games. He got doubled maybe 3 times by KSU and was a total non-factor. I remember the Colorado/OU game last year when ABC tried to prove that Harris draws all that attention. Midway through the 4th quarter the stat showed: Double teams 6, Triple teams 0, Tackles 0.

Last year it was Lance Mitchell being completely overlooked. This year it's Dusty Dvoracek. I have no problem admitting that there are some extremely talented and productive Sooners. It's pretty obvious there have to be, because they're a great team. Tommie Harris is not one of them.

The Afoci · 12-11-2003, 11:57 AM

Well, I haven't watched him play once in my life. But when nearly every college football and pro football expert in the country says the guy is extremely talented and is a force, I find it hard to believe he is worse than 4 or 5 DT's on every big schools roster.

Maybe he shouldn't be winning awards, I honestly don't know, but to always hear this guy being bashed is absurd. He has to somewhat productive to get the press he has got for the last few years.

cincyreds · 12-11-2003, 11:58 AM

Just about all these awards now have become nothing but popularity vote.

I lost all respect for the Heisman when they gave it to Charles Woodson of Michigan a few years back, when Peyton Manniing truly deserved it.

I hate it when some off based liberals get involved in College sports and I hate to see a good kid not get something he deserved. Instead it had to go to a thug, someone who stays in trouble all the time.

Huckleberry · 12-11-2003, 12:05 PM

I didn't say every school has 4 or 5 DTs that are better. Nobody even suggested that. IMTG said Texas and OU do. I don't agree with this number, but he's definitely not in the top 2 at either school.

The Afoci · 12-11-2003, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by IMetTrentGreen
texas alone has 4 or 5 guys better than him. ou does, too. most big teams do

I am sure Stoops, who is great at evaluating talent at every position is still starting Harris over the better players on the roster because he was a highly rated recruit. I am sure Stoops reads every article about how great Harris is and that clouds his judgment. I know for a fact that he doesn't base his decision on who he starts on practice, games, workouts or productivity. That would just be dumb.
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MrBug708 · 12-11-2003, 12:20 PM

He didn't get one sack on UCLA this year. UCLA who gave up 8 sacks to Stanford

Of course, Dave Ball ws the best Defensive Player this year, but that's another debate

Huckleberry · 12-11-2003, 12:28 PM

Actually, Harris starts roughly 50% of the time and is now getting roughly 50% of the snaps in the games I've seen. It was funny one game hearing the opening drive Harris hype from the crew and then McGruder and Dvoracek started the game.

Again, it helps to watch them/him play.

TroyF · 12-11-2003, 12:29 PM

The Afoci,

Far be it from me to agree with IMTG. (shudder)

I don't think he's right on the 5 DT's better on both OU and Texas+ most big schools comment. That's absurd.

On the other hand, Harris truly dominated about 4 or 5 "series" the entire season. He had one 7 play stretch against Alabama that may have been the best performence by a DT I've seen all year. Was double teamed on 5 of the 7 plays blew up both guys everytime.

Yet, he is prone to long periods of nothing. CU single teamed him most of the night. It was one of their DE's that we couldn't control. K-State singled him up most of the night as well. He made a couple of big plays, but didn't have a consistent game.

OU rotates their DT's in and out so much that it doesn't really matter who starts and who doesn't. I've seen Harris on the sidelines at what you could call "key" moments in games this season.

I don't think he deserved the award this year. I watched both Ball and Harris in person and Ball was by far the more dominating player.

Subby · 12-11-2003, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by cincyreds I hate it when some off based liberals get involved in College sports

What the fuck does that mean?

dawgfan · 12-11-2003, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by Subby
What the fuck does that mean?

Liberals are evil. EVIL! Don't let them near your local college athletic departments. Or your daughters...

The Afoci · 12-11-2003, 12:49 PM

I have said before that I have never seen Harris play, but when you see how highly this guy is rated by so many experts, I figured he must be good.

Being from Minnesota, watching Moss play and then hearing all the fans saying he is being lazy, not playing hard blah blah blah, when in fact he is still one of the most dominate recievers this season even while suffering from back spasms since about week 5. I figured that Harris was similiar in the fact that you hear so much negative about him from the people, but the experts praise him up and down.

sooner333 · 12-11-2003, 12:51 PM

I think that Harris is a super-good player on a super-good defense. He isn't a flashy player, but also changes the way teams play at times. I think he'd be starting on any college team in the country. He'd also play more at OU if there weren't four stud defensive tackles. The decision to bench him isn't as much as him being bad as the talent around him is great so its better to keep the line fresh.

I haven't watched all of the defensive players in the country this year, but I'm sure there are some that have made more plays. I've seen Harris do good things as well, though. Considering that this is a lineman award, I think you could say that he's done well enough to get the award. I think he'll do all right on Sunday's as well, whenever he gets to that point.

John Galt · 12-11-2003, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Subby
What the fuck does that mean?

And you left off the finish which has even more ugly implications. Whole quote:

"I hate it when some off based liberals get involved in College sports and I hate to see a good kid not get something he deserved. Instead it had to go to a thug, someone who stays in trouble all the time."

The Afoci · 12-11-2003, 12:57 PM

I am sure by trouble, he means a guy who gets lots of offsides penalties.

Yep. Offsides penalties.

John Galt · 12-11-2003, 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by The Afoci
I am sure by trouble, he means a guy who gets lots of offsides penalties.

Yep. Offsides penalties.

LOL.

TroyF · 12-11-2003, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by The Afoci
I have said before that I have never seen Harris play, but when you see how highly this guy is rated by so many experts, I figured he must be good.

Being from Minnesota, watching Moss play and then hearing all the fans saying he is being lazy, not playing hard blah blah blah, when in fact he is still one of the most dominate recievers this season even while suffering from back spasms since about week 5. I figured that Harris was similiar in the fact that you hear so much negative about him from the people, but the experts praise him up and down.

Three things:

1) When you see me and IMTG agree on anything, ANYTHING, the world is probably getting near the end and it bears checking out.

2) I've been a Moss critic and fan. The reason he takes crap isn't because of his WR numbers. It's because of his consistent effort. Blocking, route running when he isn't the main target, etc. The NY Giants championship game a couple of years ago was a disgrace.

3) The NFL scouts were all over Robertson this year. The next Warren Sapp. He was average at best. Maybe he'll imrpove with time, but he's certainly not worth what they paid now. Scouts are prone to do the same thing the rest of us are. . . put on blinders and miss some things.

I think Harris will be an OK NFL player. If he gets motivated, he might even be a great one. In college this year he was a good player who played on a great defense. He certainly helped make it great, but I believe other OU D-lineman outplayed him most of the year.

The Afoci · 12-11-2003, 01:10 PM

About Moss, as a MN fan, I could care less about him blocking or running routes when he isn't the main target. I have seen many times where he hasn't left the line and still had 2 or 3 guys on him. That by itself is worth it. Last week, after scoring two 40 yard plus TD's, Kelly Cambell, an average reciever at best was left wide open 40 yards down the field because 2 safeties, a CB and pretty much anyone who could keep up with him were on Moss.

Two years ago was just that, he has grown up a bunch and is now actually a team leader, something I never thought he could become without the team imploding.

Samdari · 12-11-2003, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by TroyF
1) When you see me and IMTG agree on anything, ANYTHING, the world is probably getting near the end and it bears checking out.

My guy says we're ok.

This time.

scooper · 12-11-2003, 01:32 PM

Harris certainly has the build for the NFL

HornedFrog Purple · 12-11-2003, 01:44 PM

If they are going to give it to a defensive tackle from anywhere around here, from what I have watched, nobody was more dominant than Brandon Kennedy from North Texas. If he was 4 inches taller he would be a top-5 pick easily.

If you want to see a complete stud at DT, tune into the Memphis-North Texas game the 16th.

When he played Oklahoma, Texas and TCU the last couple of years, he was double and sometimes triple teamed basically every play.

Subby · 12-11-2003, 01:51 PM

We need a caption-contest for that picture.

"HornsManiac makes a silent pact that he will NEVER bet on the OU-Texas game again..."

mckerney · 12-11-2003, 01:55 PM

I was gonna go with, "What's the Notre Dame fan doing in OU attire?"*

*Note: Wisconsin can be used interchangably with Notre Dame in this caption.

The Afoci · 12-11-2003, 01:58 PM

McKerney, this is a pic of Carl Gerbschmidt in OU gear.

If you listen to KFAN at all...

cincyreds · 12-11-2003, 02:03 PM

Yeah....off-sides penalties thats what I meant for sure.

LOL!!

sooner333 · 12-11-2003, 02:09 PM

Yeah, Booger Kennedy is really, really good. I'll probably watch the New Orleans Bowl with my friends, its one of their last finals day (I'm done after today and going home Sat.), so we'll probably celebrate by seeing who is crowned North Tex...no....no....New Orleans Bowl Champions.

Huckleberry · 12-11-2003, 02:10 PM

HFP is correct.

Brandon Kennedy is one bad dude.

mckerney · 12-11-2003, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by The Afoci
If you listen to KFAN at all...

I do occasionally, though I rarely listen to the radio at all.

Vegas Vic · 12-11-2003, 06:48 PM

Tommie Harris did not deserve this award.

It's a shame that two guys like Dan Cody and Dusty Dvoracek are having dominant seasons and are totally overshadowed by this hype.

tucker342 · 12-11-2003, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by cincyreds
I hate it when some off based liberals get involved in College sports and I hate to see a good kid not get something he deserved. Instead it had to go to a thug, someone who stays in trouble all the time.

What the hell are you talking about???

tucker342 · 12-11-2003, 09:32 PM

dola-

The even bigger joke is that Nate Keading didn't win the Groza award for being the best kicker in the nation. Now THATS bullshit.

Pumpy Tudors · 12-11-2003, 10:43 PM

I come here to read a thread about college football (though I honestly had never heard of Tommie Harris before this, as I'm a fairly passive college football fan outside of Tulane), then someone has to do the whole "liberal/conservative" schtick. I'm not claiming to be an authority on this, but whenever I see someone work that into any discussion, I get the impression that the person is simply trying to start a fight. Why the hell do people need to start fights? Really, why? What's the compulsion? What's the agenda?

What is the point?

Ragone · 12-12-2003, 03:27 AM

I've seen most of oklahoma's games this year.. (stupid ass big 12 region..)

anyway, i was watching a game mid way through the season.. and my friend said "they sure are hyping up tommie harris alot for him not doing anything other then jumping offsides"

I said "kinda like a young chester mcglockton eh?"

Basically its true.. chester would show up for maybe 2 series a game.. then jump offside and try to lose games for you the rest.

12-11-2003, 11:25 AM	#2
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	All respect I had for Texas fans...well nevermind. Last edited by vex : 12-11-2003 at 01:09 PM.

12-11-2003, 11:28 AM	#3
Huckleberry College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001	vex - Get real. Harris is horribly overrated. He's the 3rd best DT on your team. You can not honestly watch the games and focus on Harris and tell me he's a great defensive tackle. Please don't regurgitate the patently false arguments about his production, because the guy is quite simply a non-productive football player. Dusty Dvoracek is twice the college DT that Harris is. Do you have any coherent rationale for defending the award or are you going to stick to ad hominem attacks? __________________ The one thing all your failed relationships have in common is you. The Barking Carnival (Longhorn-centered sports blog) College Football Adjusted Stats and Ratings

12-11-2003, 11:46 AM	#7
Huckleberry College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001	Right. Have you actually watched him play? Focused on him? I already addressed regurgitation of patently false arguments in my previous post. I am not bitter about Tommie Harris, I hope he stays at OU another year. I feel sorry for his defensive teammates that are getting railroaded by the Harris hype. Dusty Dvoracek deserves numerous awards, but will get none. Besides, what does "talent" have to do with postseason awards? I don't see WR Roy Williams as a finalist for the Biletnikoff or Heisman and there's a good reason for that. He shouldn't be because he didn't produce as a college football player. So are you telling me the fact that Roy Williams is a highly coveted NFL Draft prospect means he should be winning awards and should be on First Team All-American lists? Finally, Harris does not demand constant double- and triple-teaming. That is simply bullshit. Watch the games. He got doubled maybe 3 times by KSU and was a total non-factor. I remember the Colorado/OU game last year when ABC tried to prove that Harris draws all that attention. Midway through the 4th quarter the stat showed: Double teams 6, Triple teams 0, Tackles 0. Last year it was Lance Mitchell being completely overlooked. This year it's Dusty Dvoracek. I have no problem admitting that there are some extremely talented and productive Sooners. It's pretty obvious there have to be, because they're a great team. Tommie Harris is not one of them. __________________ The one thing all your failed relationships have in common is you. The Barking Carnival (Longhorn-centered sports blog) College Football Adjusted Stats and Ratings Last edited by Huckleberry : 12-11-2003 at 11:47 AM.

12-11-2003, 11:57 AM	#8
The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	Well, I haven't watched him play once in my life. But when nearly every college football and pro football expert in the country says the guy is extremely talented and is a force, I find it hard to believe he is worse than 4 or 5 DT's on every big schools roster. Maybe he shouldn't be winning awards, I honestly don't know, but to always hear this guy being bashed is absurd. He has to somewhat productive to get the press he has got for the last few years. __________________ I had something.

12-11-2003, 11:58 AM	#9
cincyreds High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mississippi	Just about all these awards now have become nothing but popularity vote. I lost all respect for the Heisman when they gave it to Charles Woodson of Michigan a few years back, when Peyton Manniing truly deserved it. I hate it when some off based liberals get involved in College sports and I hate to see a good kid not get something he deserved. Instead it had to go to a thug, someone who stays in trouble all the time. __________________ The Dallas Cowboys!! America's Team will rise again.

12-11-2003, 11:42 AM	#5
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Yes...but what does Mel Kiper's Hair think?

12-11-2003, 12:05 PM	#10
Huckleberry College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001	I didn't say every school has 4 or 5 DTs that are better. Nobody even suggested that. IMTG said Texas and OU do. I don't agree with this number, but he's definitely not in the top 2 at either school. __________________ The one thing all your failed relationships have in common is you. The Barking Carnival (Longhorn-centered sports blog) College Football Adjusted Stats and Ratings

12-11-2003, 12:20 PM	#12
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	He didn't get one sack on UCLA this year. UCLA who gave up 8 sacks to Stanford Of course, Dave Ball ws the best Defensive Player this year, but that's another debate

12-11-2003, 12:28 PM	#13
Huckleberry College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001	Actually, Harris starts roughly 50% of the time and is now getting roughly 50% of the snaps in the games I've seen. It was funny one game hearing the opening drive Harris hype from the crew and then McGruder and Dvoracek started the game. Again, it helps to watch them/him play. __________________ The one thing all your failed relationships have in common is you. The Barking Carnival (Longhorn-centered sports blog) College Football Adjusted Stats and Ratings Last edited by Huckleberry : 12-11-2003 at 12:29 PM.

12-11-2003, 12:29 PM	#14
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	The Afoci, Far be it from me to agree with IMTG. (shudder) I don't think he's right on the 5 DT's better on both OU and Texas+ most big schools comment. That's absurd. On the other hand, Harris truly dominated about 4 or 5 "series" the entire season. He had one 7 play stretch against Alabama that may have been the best performence by a DT I've seen all year. Was double teamed on 5 of the 7 plays blew up both guys everytime. Yet, he is prone to long periods of nothing. CU single teamed him most of the night. It was one of their DE's that we couldn't control. K-State singled him up most of the night as well. He made a couple of big plays, but didn't have a consistent game. OU rotates their DT's in and out so much that it doesn't really matter who starts and who doesn't. I've seen Harris on the sidelines at what you could call "key" moments in games this season. I don't think he deserved the award this year. I watched both Ball and Harris in person and Ball was by far the more dominating player.

12-11-2003, 12:49 PM	#17
The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	I have said before that I have never seen Harris play, but when you see how highly this guy is rated by so many experts, I figured he must be good. Being from Minnesota, watching Moss play and then hearing all the fans saying he is being lazy, not playing hard blah blah blah, when in fact he is still one of the most dominate recievers this season even while suffering from back spasms since about week 5. I figured that Harris was similiar in the fact that you hear so much negative about him from the people, but the experts praise him up and down. __________________ I had something.

12-11-2003, 12:51 PM	#18
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	I think that Harris is a super-good player on a super-good defense. He isn't a flashy player, but also changes the way teams play at times. I think he'd be starting on any college team in the country. He'd also play more at OU if there weren't four stud defensive tackles. The decision to bench him isn't as much as him being bad as the talent around him is great so its better to keep the line fresh. I haven't watched all of the defensive players in the country this year, but I'm sure there are some that have made more plays. I've seen Harris do good things as well, though. Considering that this is a lineman award, I think you could say that he's done well enough to get the award. I think he'll do all right on Sunday's as well, whenever he gets to that point.

12-11-2003, 12:57 PM	#20
The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	I am sure by trouble, he means a guy who gets lots of offsides penalties. Yep. Offsides penalties. __________________ I had something.

12-11-2003, 01:10 PM	#23
The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	About Moss, as a MN fan, I could care less about him blocking or running routes when he isn't the main target. I have seen many times where he hasn't left the line and still had 2 or 3 guys on him. That by itself is worth it. Last week, after scoring two 40 yard plus TD's, Kelly Cambell, an average reciever at best was left wide open 40 yards down the field because 2 safeties, a CB and pretty much anyone who could keep up with him were on Moss. Two years ago was just that, he has grown up a bunch and is now actually a team leader, something I never thought he could become without the team imploding. __________________ I had something.

12-11-2003, 01:32 PM	#25
scooper College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cinn City	Harris certainly has the build for the NFL

12-11-2003, 01:44 PM	#26
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	If they are going to give it to a defensive tackle from anywhere around here, from what I have watched, nobody was more dominant than Brandon Kennedy from North Texas. If he was 4 inches taller he would be a top-5 pick easily. If you want to see a complete stud at DT, tune into the Memphis-North Texas game the 16th. When he played Oklahoma, Texas and TCU the last couple of years, he was double and sometimes triple teamed basically every play. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

12-11-2003, 01:51 PM	#27
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	We need a caption-contest for that picture. "HornsManiac makes a silent pact that he will NEVER bet on the OU-Texas game again..." __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

12-11-2003, 01:55 PM	#28
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I was gonna go with, "What's the Notre Dame fan doing in OU attire?"* *Note: Wisconsin can be used interchangably with Notre Dame in this caption. Last edited by mckerney : 12-11-2003 at 01:55 PM.

12-11-2003, 01:58 PM	#29
The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	McKerney, this is a pic of Carl Gerbschmidt in OU gear. If you listen to KFAN at all... __________________ I had something.

12-11-2003, 02:03 PM	#30
cincyreds High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mississippi	Yeah....off-sides penalties thats what I meant for sure. LOL!! __________________ The Dallas Cowboys!! America's Team will rise again.

12-11-2003, 02:09 PM	#31
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	Yeah, Booger Kennedy is really, really good. I'll probably watch the New Orleans Bowl with my friends, its one of their last finals day (I'm done after today and going home Sat.), so we'll probably celebrate by seeing who is crowned North Tex...no....no....New Orleans Bowl Champions.

12-11-2003, 02:10 PM	#32
Huckleberry College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001	HFP is correct. Brandon Kennedy is one bad dude. __________________ The one thing all your failed relationships have in common is you. The Barking Carnival (Longhorn-centered sports blog) College Football Adjusted Stats and Ratings

12-11-2003, 06:48 PM	#34
Vegas Vic Checkraising Tourists Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cocoa Beach, FL	Tommie Harris did not deserve this award. It's a shame that two guys like Dan Cody and Dusty Dvoracek are having dominant seasons and are totally overshadowed by this hype.

12-11-2003, 09:32 PM	#36
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	dola- The even bigger joke is that Nate Keading didn't win the Groza award for being the best kicker in the nation. Now THATS bullshit.

12-11-2003, 10:43 PM	#37
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I come here to read a thread about college football (though I honestly had never heard of Tommie Harris before this, as I'm a fairly passive college football fan outside of Tulane), then someone has to do the whole "liberal/conservative" schtick. I'm not claiming to be an authority on this, but whenever I see someone work that into any discussion, I get the impression that the person is simply trying to start a fight. Why the hell do people need to start fights? Really, why? What's the compulsion? What's the agenda? What is the point? __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

12-12-2003, 03:27 AM	#38
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	I've seen most of oklahoma's games this year.. (stupid ass big 12 region..) anyway, i was watching a game mid way through the season.. and my friend said "they sure are hyping up tommie harris alot for him not doing anything other then jumping offsides" I said "kinda like a young chester mcglockton eh?" Basically its true.. chester would show up for maybe 2 series a game.. then jump offside and try to lose games for you the rest.

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