The Trump Presidency – 2016

[tarcone]

Manhattan farmers getting in on the action

Meet the Farmers of Manhattan | EWG

[JPhillips]

Trump held an "impromptu" press conference this morning to complain about the Dems. So impromptu that they had printed signs ready to go.

Everything's a con.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump held an "impromptu" press conference this morning to complain about the Dems. So impromptu that they had printed signs ready to go.

Everything's a con.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/22/polit...m_source=twCNN

Flat out refused to make a deal until the Dems stop investigating.

[PilotMan]

Yes, those dastardly Dems are just out to cause trouble for the good, law abiding citizens of Mayberry. We know our leaders, we don't need some 2-bit, cheating, commie, ass-grabbers to tell US if our leader is a crook! He's not! Because we said so! And we know way better than you do! All you can do is impeach, you're not allowed to investigate whether or not he's committed any crimes during or before his presidency. That's not right and not your job! We love him with all our hearts and no pinko-liberal is gonna steal him away from us. IT'S A COUP!

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump held an "impromptu" press conference this morning to complain about the Dems. So impromptu that they had printed signs ready to go.

Everything's a con.

You mean the signs that showed the cost of the Mueller investigation were roughly 1/3 of what he has spent on golf trips since taking office?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

You mean the signs that showed the cost of the Mueller investigation were roughly 1/3 of what he has spent on golf trips since taking office?

It actually didn't cost anything since they recouped the cost from Manafort.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

It actually didn't cost anything since they recouped the cost from Manafort.

But that doesn't fit the agenda now does it?

[albionmoonlight]

Remember back when they tried to convince us that Republicans would be OK with putting Harriet Tubman on the $20 because she stood for freedom and self-determination, and individuality and those were all conservative virtues? And that saying that they would oppose it was really just unfairly assuming that they were motivated by racism and misogyny?

I'm so naive, I actually believed them.

But I'm learning. It's a slow process because I am a trusting person who wants to believe the best of others. But I also have two working ears, and if you tell me who you are often enough, I'll eventually start to believe you.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/22/harr...g-in-2020.html

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I'm so naive, I actually believed them.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Remember back when they tried to convince us that Republicans would be OK with putting Harriet Tubman on the $20 because she stood for freedom and self-determination, and individuality and those were all conservative virtues? And that saying that they would oppose it was really just unfairly assuming that they were motivated by racism and misogyny?

I'm so naive, I actually believed them.

But I'm learning. It's a slow process because I am a trusting person who wants to believe the best of others. But I also have two working ears, and if you tell me who you are often enough, I'll eventually start to believe you.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/22/harr...g-in-2020.html

And in delaying it until 2028, Trump will not have to talk about a black woman. And giving President Obama the middle finger again.

[Thomkal]

Julian Assange charged with 17 additional counts if he ever gets extradited to the US:


WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Is Facing 17 More Criminal Charges In The United States

[thesloppy]

Man, give me that design gig where you can say "nope, it's not quite ready....gonna need maybe 8 more years"

[JPhillips]

Today...

Trump and Giuliani posted video of Pelosi doctored to make her look drunk.

AG Barr was given discretion to declassify anything he wants in the effort to discredit Comey and Mueller.

Trump listed off several names when asked who he thought was potentially guilty of treason, a death penalty crime.

[Brian Swartz]

So just another day in other words?

[JPhillips]

US president and North Korean dictator are in agreement on their shared criticism of former US vice president, White House says. https://t.co/kl7uE4VFFe - @MeetThePress

— NBC News (@NBCNews) May 26, 2019

Don't let outrage fatigue numb you to all that is outrageous.

[whomario]

Anybody remember when a sitting president clapping himself on the shoulder over foreign dictator agreing with him would lead to panicky damage controll by the press secretary ? Hope you get back to that order eventually ...

[PilotMan]

con don > R's > Murderous anti-freedom dictators > everyone else > D's


The current state of US politics and foreign policy.

[albionmoonlight]

How the anti-vaccine movement crept into the GOP mainstream

Game: Think of a stupid and harmful and scientifically-uninformed take that isn’t also an essential plank of the GOP’s platform.

(Hint: it’s impossible)

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

How the anti-vaccine movement crept into the GOP mainstream

Game: Think of a stupid and harmful and scientifically-uninformed take that isn’t also an essential plank of the GOP’s platform.

(Hint: it’s impossible)

When you've created a party that preys on fear and pushes conspiracy to the mainstream you eventually start to look attractive to everyone on the fringes of society.

[SirFozzie]

I know we joke that "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme on occasion", but this is a straight re-release.

This is a selection from a thesis paper called "The Forgotten Treason : The plot to overthrow FDR", detailing an attempt by millionaires to overthrow a President, that failed because the General they had chosen to be their military person in the putsch went to congress.

Originally Posted by The Forgotten Treason

The boom years of the 1920s had generated a great deal of respect for the genius of the bankers and industrialists who engineered the prosperity. When that prosperity vanished, fingers pointed at these men, the financial wizards of Wall Street who had suddenly lost their magic. And as many of these former heroes continue to draw salaries unfathomable to the millions of Americans who were starving, the notion that American capitalism had failed became increasingly popular. Frustrations were exacerbated when thousands of farmers lost their land for failure to pay taxes when the rich always seemed able to find the right loopholes in the tax code and often paid no taxes at all. The capitalist system was broken, many believed, and was fundamentally unable to distribute goods fairly or even effectively. The Great Depression has been called the greatest single defining event of the twentieth century.

A long held faith in the rationalizing power of free markets no longer seemed applicable, and into the ideological vacuum rushed a number of extreme alternatives.

In both Europe and the United States came a demand for decisive state action to address the economic crisis that the market itself seemed utterly incapable of fixing. Totalitarianism from both sides of the ideological spectrum posed a serious threat to liberal democracy.

As it would turn out, the primary threat would come from the right. The appeal of communism never moved much beyond the intellectuals; for the unemployed masses, it was never a serious alternative. Much of the commotion made over the threat of Communism in the 1930s was exaggerated propaganda from the right. While the onslaught of unemployed angry Americans during the last years of the Hoover administration originally helped the Communists fill in the ranks at their protests and marches, the apparent success wasn’t real. The Communist Party was unable to provide these men the one thing they really wanted – a job – and offered only the chance to let off steam by participating in noisy demonstrations.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by Atocep

When you've created a party that preys on fear and pushes conspiracy to the mainstream you eventually start to look attractive to everyone on the fringes of society.

Please. The dems prey on fear. So stop.

I wish more would be unvaccinated. Weed out the weak. Darwin wins.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Please. The dems prey on fear. So stop.

I wish more would be unvaccinated. Weed out the weak. Darwin wins.

Republicans are the party of Infowars. Literally built around fear-mongering conspiracy theories.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I know we joke that "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme on occasion", but this is a straight re-release.

This is a selection from a thesis paper called "The Forgotten Treason : The plot to overthrow FDR", detailing an attempt by millionaires to overthrow a President, that failed because the General they had chosen to be their military person in the putsch went to congress.

Isn't the Business Plot mostly the embellishment of Butler? It sounds like people had talked about it but they had no real organization or plausible plan to make it work.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Please. The dems prey on fear. So stop.

Science says otherwise

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[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Please. The dems prey on fear. So stop.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/landing...didates-survey

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Science says otherwise

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Conservatives don't believe in science.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Isn't the Business Plot mostly the embellishment of Butler? It sounds like people had talked about it but they had no real organization or plausible plan to make it work.

Not really, the congressional committee that investigated it came to the conclusion that:

“there is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient.”

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Please. The dems prey on fear. So stop.

I wish more would be unvaccinated. Weed out the weak. Darwin wins.

Excellent. We'll start with your grandkids. No vaccinations for them!

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Excellent. We'll start with your grandkids. No vaccinations for them!

Nah. my kids are smart and not weak.

That was a snarky remark from the Bill Burr special I watched on netflix. Really funny special.

[RainMaker]

Vaccinations don't guarantee immunity. And there is a gap between birth and when you are old enought to get vaccinated. Measles vaccine isn't given till you are a year old.

Herd immunity matters. Darwinism will kill those people, but they will also take some vaccinated people with them.

[Warhammer]

Breast milk provides babies with many antibodies and boosts to a child’s immune system. What would be interesting is how many of the antibodies from vaccinated diseases are gained by the baby.

[QuikSand]

Looked in vain for a long-ago thread on liberty and libertarian prospects... alas, I'll just post it here.

Justin Amash Makes the Case - The Bulwark

This is a pretty interesting little subplot to watch.

[Butter]

Reaction to the Mueller public statement?

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Butter

Reaction to the Mueller public statement?

He's every college professor when the class hasn't done the damn reading. I half-expected him to say, "It's in the syllabus" at some point.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Butter

Reaction to the Mueller public statement?

I've only read coverage of it but it seems like Mueller doesn't want to come out and directly contradict Barr so he stressed reading what's in the actual report. He also admitted Trump likely committed obstruction, but the ball is in Congress' court to make that final determination.

So we have a corrupt attorney general and a President that should be impeached. Or just another day in the Trump administration.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Looked in vain for a long-ago thread on liberty and libertarian prospects... alas, I'll just post it here.

Justin Amash Makes the Case - The Bulwark

This is a pretty interesting little subplot to watch.

Amash and I are very far apart, but even before this I respected the fact that he has principles. He's what Rand Paul pretends to be.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I've only read coverage of it but it seems like Mueller doesn't want to come out and directly contradict Barr so he stressed reading what's in the actual report. He also admitted Trump likely committed obstruction, but the ball is in Congress' court to make that final determination.

So we have a corrupt attorney general and a President that should be impeached. Or just another day in the Trump administration.

Exactly, and nothing will be done. Anyone with eyes and ears know Barr was put in place to shield Trump. His followers just don't care. They are as morally bankrupt as he is.

[Radii]

Does anyone more knowledgeable than I have more insight into the concept that a sitting president cannot be charged with a crime, even in a sealed indictment not to take effect until that president leaves office? A justice department with appointments by the president says that it can’t be done, so the investigation into the president that clearly finds huge levels of obstruction doesn’t do it... is this above board or part of our checks and balances failing us in a critical way?

I honestly don’t know, some of y’all are way smarter than me and I’m curious on thoughts.

The fact that the house considers impeachment a political and re-election game instead of doing their duty to hold up the ideals of the nation is extremely disheartening. I would love to see any democrat who publicly comes out against impeachment primaried.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Radii

Does anyone more knowledgeable than I have more insight into the concept that a sitting president cannot be charged with a crime, even in a sealed indictment not to take effect until that president leaves office? A justice department with appointments by the president says that it can’t be done, so the investigation into the president that clearly finds huge levels of obstruction doesn’t do it... is this above board or part of our checks and balances failing us in a critical way?

I honestly don’t know, some of y’all are way smarter than me and I’m curious on thoughts.

The fact that the house considers impeachment a political and re-election game instead of doing their duty to hold up the ideals of the nation is extremely disheartening. I would love to see any democrat who publicly comes out against impeachment primaried.

It is based off a memo by Nixon's DOJ in 1973. There is nothing in the constitution about it and it has never been answered by the Supreme Court.

[cartman]

Trumplethinskin

White House Wanted USS John McCain ‘Out of Sight’ During Trump’s Japan Trip

[JPhillips]

Netenyahu was unable to find the last member to form a government, so Israel is headed to new election.

[PilotMan]

Mueller's commentary today didn't really change anything to the arguments on either side. I think Mueller clearly denoted today that again, had they intended to clear the president of wrongdoing they would. They didn't. That's still the big takeaway for me. Of course, the WH doesn't see that as the takeaway. For them, it's just another day at the office and because Barr got the final say, they can say whatever they want.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by cartman

Trumplethinskin

White House Wanted USS John McCain ‘Out of Sight’ During Trump’s Japan Trip

You have to admit the story is funny coming from the crowd that cried about people not standing for the anthem.

[Kodos]

Or Obama saluting a soldier with a coffee in his hand.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by Radii

A justice department with appointments by the president says that it can’t be done, so the investigation into the president that clearly finds huge levels of obstruction doesn’t do it... is this above board or part of our checks and balances failing us in a critical way?

I think the writers of the Constitution assumed that anybody guilty of a serious crime would be impeached. The top law enforcement officer going through a trial would be incongruous and rather self-evidently IMO you can't treat the President as a normal defendant and still have them do their duties as President. I would fail to see the point in a sealed indictment that doesn't take effect until they leave - why not just indict them after they leave?

But yeah I basically think there's quite good reasons based on what the Presidents constitutional duties are that impeachment is the proper and lone remedy while they remain in office. As has been mentioned its been a long-standing opinion so its not like its a partisan thing that Trump just came up with or told Barr to say or whatever.

[thesloppy]

Is the idea that it's entirely the "other team's" responsibility to impeach a shitty president another recent example of modern bi-partisanship, or has it always been the unspoken rule?

[Warhammer]

I think a lot of it depends upon their prospect of remaining in power. If there is an heir apparent, I think they would be quick to bail. I do not understand why so many Republicans are married to Trump because he is not a dyed in the wool Republican.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

I do not understand why so many Republicans are married to Trump because he is not a dyed in the wool Republican.

I can probably help you with that a little bit.

He's one of the few people aligned with the party to show any sign of actual balls in a long time. Don't underestimate the value of visible backbone, even to people who are lacking in that department. And most figure that he's too stubborn to give too many inches to the other side (note: that's not a point I'm entirely sold on personally but for many Rs the notion of him selling out to the Ds is beyond imagination)

Now to actually help your understanding of the issue quoted, we might eventually have to parse the difference between "Conservatives" and "Republicans" but I don't believe I'm steering you wrong as a first step regardless.

[RainMaker]

Yay more taxes.

On June 10th, the United States will impose a 5% Tariff on all goods coming into our Country from Mexico, until such time as illegal migrants coming through Mexico, and into our Country, STOP. The Tariff will gradually increase until the Illegal Immigration problem is remedied,..

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 30, 2019

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

I think a lot of it depends upon their prospect of remaining in power. If there is an heir apparent, I think they would be quick to bail. I do not understand why so many Republicans are married to Trump because he is not a dyed in the wool Republican.

That's kinda what cocks my head a bit too. Though, I get the feeling that when the primaries start up we'll be hearing a lot of people on both sides attempting to re-write history regarding how often/effectively they challenged Trump.