WW XCIX: Seville High, Book Two: The Janitor Lives!!! Game Over - Blakekin Win!!!! - Page 15

MartinD · 07-23-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Also, I was slutted last night. Which is just fine with me as they did not stop me from doing anything that would have been pro-village.

This struck me as a bit odd - seems like a very strange way to describe this (in that it appears to be leaving open the possibility of doing things that would have been bad for the village).

This could be me making something out of nothing, though, as I do tend towards being a bit pedantic at times

hoopsguy · 07-23-2009, 02:43 PM

Martin - I wanted it to be a little bit nebulous in order to mess with the wolves.

There is no way that I made a good night kill target last night, given all the heat that I should be taking today for my role down the stretch with last nights lynch. But in future nights I might have actually earned a little bit of trust and I want the wolves to be worried about what I may (or may not) be able to do.

TheNorm · 07-23-2009, 02:45 PM

Are we really sure that ntn is in the clear?
Personally I find Schmidty's vote last night suspicious, but all the same am about as confused as I was yesterday. hoops also is setting off my spidey sense.
...and like I said earlier, I'm not saying Kelly Kapowski isn't attractive--just that Lisa was more attractive.

Schmidty · 07-23-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

Are we really sure that ntn is in the clear?
Personally I find Schmidty's vote last night suspicious, but all the same am about as confused as I was yesterday. hoops also is setting off my spidey sense.
...and like I said earlier, I'm not saying Kelly Kapowski isn't attractive--just that Lisa was more attractive.

Of course my vote was suspicious - I was the one who put the nail in the coffin for EF. I can't deny it.

Having said that, and this is not retaliation, but:

VOTE THENORM

The Jackal · 07-23-2009, 02:47 PM

No NTN is definitely not in the clear, but as no one has refuted his role, and since it seems like a role Abe would probably include, I think we sort've agreed there were better candidates. But he is definitely not cleared.

MartinD · 07-23-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Martin - I wanted it to be a little bit nebulous in order to mess with the wolves.

Fair enough - you know a lot more about how to play this game than I do...

That said, I doubt I'll be able to contribute much tonight - feeling pretty tired, and am struggling to take anything in while I'm reading through the thread. I'll try to work through it enough to post a vote, but don't expect much more than that.

The Jackal · 07-23-2009, 02:48 PM

The longer NTN stays alive the more suspicious he becomes, I guess, because if he's telling the truth the wolves will want to eliminate any potential seer, even if it's just one scan.

The Jackal · 07-23-2009, 02:50 PM

Frankly I'm surprised you aren't drawing more heat than you have for that vote, Schmidty, but I guess people felt like going after JAG/hoops was a better plan, as some said last night they would.

hoopsguy · 07-23-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinD

Fair enough - you know a lot more about how to play this game than I do...

Eh - I do dumb things all the time in this game. I outsmart myself at least as often as I outsmart others.

I obviously misread EagleFan down the stretch last night, for example. But I will almost always be pretty clear about my train of thought, right or wrong, when asked.

Schmidty · 07-23-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Frankly I'm surprised you aren't drawing more heat than you have for that vote, Schmidty, but I guess people felt like going after JAG/hoops was a better plan, as some said last night they would.

I'm surprised too, but I will say this - If I were a wolf, that late vote would have been an awful move. Why would a wolf create suspicion where there wouldn't have been any if I had stayed the course?

ntndeacon · 07-23-2009, 02:58 PM

I agree that I should not be in the clear. And I do have a suspect. this is from voting analysis more than anything else...well sort of voting analysis. more like post analysis. From the time that EF declared his seerhood and the deadline, 3 people posted that either put their votes on EF or had them there and did not change them.
Now Hoops and Schmidty have been talked about for those reasons already, so we don't have to say much else about those two. The one we haven't talked about in this regard is the current vote getter JAG. He was already on EF when the claim was made. Now Hoops made a fairly compelling argument why he voted EF after the fact. And I think Schmidty went along for the ride there. But I find it hard to believe that not one of the three did not want to give a even possible seer the benefit of the doubt.

Having said this I really have little choice today and make it more of a landslide.
Vote JAG

lerriuqs · 07-23-2009, 03:03 PM

UNVOTE JAG

VOTE Jackal

I don't want to see this be a runaway on us right yet...

MartinD · 07-23-2009, 03:13 PM

Going back to my Chapter 4/Night 2 vote:

VOTE HOOPSGUY

Can't really offer any reasons, because that would involve thinking, which seems to be surprisingly difficult for me at the moment...

I'm done for the night - will catch up with what's happened in the morning.

TheNorm · 07-23-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Of course my vote was suspicious - I was the one who put the nail in the coffin for EF. I can't deny it.

Having said that, and this is not retaliation, but:

VOTE THENORM

Roffle.

Schmidty · 07-23-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

Roffle.

?

The Jackal · 07-23-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lerriuqs

UNVOTE JAG

VOTE Jackal

I don't want to see this be a runaway on us right yet...

So you just don't want this to be a runaway? Why me and not hoops?

lerriuqs · 07-23-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

So you just don't want this to be a runaway? Why me and not hoops?

Right now I believe that we were in a villager/villager in Day 2.

hoopsguy · 07-23-2009, 03:49 PM

I think the vote is 4-3-3-1 with JAG ahead of me/Jackal ahead of TheNorm.

TheNorm still has his vote in hand, correct?

The Jackal · 07-23-2009, 03:51 PM

I believe so

Poli · 07-23-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

RING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Schmidty · 07-23-2009, 04:00 PM

Well, since it looks like my vote is pointless right now, I'll do this:

Unvote TheNorm

EagleFan · 07-23-2009, 04:08 PM

Go village.

JAG · 07-23-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

And why is it that I'm a likelier wolf than lerriuqs or Schmidty, who sealed the seer's fate..?

I actually have a good bit of trust for Schmidty but it's kind of involved.

Before he revealed as a vanilla villager, to that point we had only seen villagers with roles (seer, jr. seer, rabble rouser, and mischief maker). I was actually wondering whether there were any vanilla villagers in the game and thought Abe might've only added that line in the rules because of the potential that the unknown wolf could be in the game (which we found out there was N1). I feel like if he was going to come out with fake revealing, he would've chosen a roled villager at that point. When Lathum died, he was revealed as vanilla, so therefore that lends more credence that he's telling the truth in my mind.

The Jackal · 07-23-2009, 04:17 PM

That's kind of flimsy being that vanilla villager can only be proven by death, just like roles in the game, and won't be disputed, but it's moot because Schmidty isn't in the running today.

JetsIn06 · 07-23-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

I actually have a good bit of trust for Schmidty but it's kind of involved.

Before he revealed as a vanilla villager, to that point we had only seen villagers with roles (seer, jr. seer, rabble rouser, and mischief maker). I was actually wondering whether there were any vanilla villagers in the game and thought Abe might've only added that line in the rules because of the potential that the unknown wolf could be in the game (which we found out there was N1). I feel like if he was going to come out with fake revealing, he would've chosen a roled villager at that point. When Lathum died, he was revealed as vanilla, so therefore that lends more credence that he's telling the truth in my mind.

Okay...well I don't remember you revealing yourself to be anything yet. Correct me if I'm wrong.

But what this post tells me is you are either a wolf or a villager with a role.

JetsIn06 · 07-23-2009, 04:19 PM

And right now I'm leaning towards Wolf.

JAG · 07-23-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I know that I tried to revive Lathum but I think you've killed me prematurely.

I laughed.

JAG · 07-23-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

That's kind of flimsy being that vanilla villager can only be proven by death, just like roles in the game, and won't be disputed, but it's moot because Schmidty isn't in the running today.

What I'm saying is, it wasn't publicly known there weren't vanilla villagers in the game, he came out and revealed as one, then it was publicly shown that there were. It's moot for now, but in case I die I wanted to get it out there.

Danny · 07-23-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Poli

Vote Poli

JAG · 07-23-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsIn06

Okay...well I don't remember you revealing yourself to be anything yet. Correct me if I'm wrong.

But what this post tells me is you are either a wolf or a villager with a role.

I know mentioning it forced me to reveal that I have a role, but I couldn't otherwise show why I thought Schmidty was worthy of trust. I don't think it's a good idea to reveal the role though (and this goes to everyone now that the seers are dead) because there are a few roles out there that would be bad for the wolves to know, with maybe one exception.

JAG · 07-23-2009, 04:27 PM

Sorry, meant 'in the event that I survive the voting, I would rather not have said the role to keep the wolves from having that knowledge.'

hoopsguy · 07-23-2009, 04:37 PM

I'm likely out until the last hour or so prior to the lynch. I know that my opinions should be taken with a grain of salt, due to my very uncleared nature, but I don't think that JAG is the right horse today and I know that I'm not (any day).

Hope to have time to discuss any/all of this in more depth leading up to the lynch.

PurdueBrad · 07-23-2009, 05:26 PM

I'm on either JAG or Hoops for today (may move between the two) but I'm likely staying on either one for better or worse. I'll be on and off, trying to make homemade gyros...we'll see how that goes.

JAG · 07-23-2009, 06:00 PM

I don't think I've left out much in the way of analysis I've thought of that could be of use. I'd like to think I can say I've been helpful to the village to this point in laying out my thoughts and trying to set the record straight when I saw something that didn't jive from the start of the game. If I get lynched, use my posts from today with the addition of the night kill info as a road map of my insights.

I also strongly think hoops should not be the vote tonight. Unfortunately it doesn't look promising for either of us, but I'd really much rather a run-off between Jackal and I than hoops and I.

Schmidty · 07-23-2009, 06:23 PM

Ok, I'm going with Jackal for now.

Vote The Jackal

Schmidty · 07-23-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Ok, I'm going with Jackal for now.

Vote The Jackal

Ooops.

Vote The Jackal

The Jackal · 07-23-2009, 06:25 PM

Any.. explanation?

The Jackal · 07-23-2009, 06:26 PM

I understand why hoops and jag are on me, but I mean common, their voting records are not good. I don't see how mine is worse. You are voting for me because hoops wants to go after other people that voted for Pass but wont vote for jag? It's a lot of faith in an uncleared person who's been on the block most of the game.

The Jackal · 07-23-2009, 06:31 PM

I mean Schmidty, you are following two of the people you followed in getting EF lynched yesterday, on top of the poor vote records. Our only cleared person is set on these two. I'm mildly baffled.

The Jackal · 07-23-2009, 06:32 PM

I was around for the full deadline yesterday, I could've switched at anytime to nail EF's coffin and seemingly as Schmidty is showing not have gotten much attention for it. Why wouldn't I have just ended the seer's life instead of playing with chance?

The Jackal · 07-23-2009, 06:32 PM

if I was a wolf, that is

Schmidty · 07-23-2009, 06:32 PM

Because I was going to vote between TheNorm and hoops, but since no one else is voting for Norm, I substituted you since you seem to be in the thick of it as far as getting votes. You kept bringing up my name, which I don't really blame you for I guess, so that didn't help. Also, the fact that JAG seems to know something, and has stuck for me, I'm going to side with him. My preference would still be TheNorm, but that isn't happening today.

The Jackal · 07-23-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Because I was going to vote between TheNorm and hoops, but since no one else is voting for Norm, I substituted you since you seem to be in the thick of it as far as getting votes. You kept bringing up my name, which I don't really blame you for I guess, so that didn't help. Also, the fact that JAG seems to know something, and has stuck for me, I'm going to side with him. My preference would still be TheNorm, but that isn't happening today.

So why me over hoops if you are suspicious of hoops? Hoops is the one accusing me, that doesn't make any sense.

And notice though I've been bringing up your name I never voted for you or anything. I'm just trying to make sense of this day and it seems like we've been lead off point.

Schmidty · 07-23-2009, 06:34 PM

You're right, Jackal, I could be getting played, and I understand what you're saying. I don't know. Maybe I'll switch to hoops. We'll see.

The Jackal · 07-23-2009, 06:35 PM

I just wanted to at least have a little discussion with you, which you have, because I hate it when people vote without saying anything.

Schmidty · 07-23-2009, 06:35 PM

I think my WW title should be The Sheep.

The Jackal · 07-23-2009, 06:35 PM

So thank you for showing me your thought process, we'll see what other people think in the last hour and a half here.

nfg22 · 07-23-2009, 06:37 PM

Im thinking of switching my vote off of hoops to be relevant but I dont think Jackal or JAG is certainly a wolf...

Schmidty · 07-23-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

Im thinking of switching my vote off of hoops to be relevant but I dont think Jackal or JAG is certainly a wolf...

Well, if we could get something going for TheNorm, I'd be ok with considering that.

JAG · 07-23-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Because I was going to vote between TheNorm and hoops, but since no one else is voting for Norm, I substituted you since you seem to be in the thick of it as far as getting votes. You kept bringing up my name, which I don't really blame you for I guess, so that didn't help. Also, the fact that JAG seems to know something, and has stuck for me, I'm going to side with him. My preference would still be TheNorm, but that isn't happening today.

Just FYI, I have no scan knowledge or anything like that (I would've revealed such info if I did have it), I'm simply playing the percentages based on a combo of analysis and gut. If hoops were going to guess someone as a wolf who voted for Pass, I would think he would take aim at clap since clap has gone after him a couple times or me because my voting record is worse than yours. So I'm fairly confident that hoops is good. I haven't seen anything from Jackal today that would change my mind that this is a good bet for a wolf.

07-23-2009, 04:00 PM	#721
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Well, since it looks like my vote is pointless right now, I'll do this: Unvote TheNorm __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-23-2009, 06:23 PM	#735
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Ok, I'm going with Jackal for now. Vote The Jackal __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-23-2009, 06:32 PM	#742
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Because I was going to vote between TheNorm and hoops, but since no one else is voting for Norm, I substituted you since you seem to be in the thick of it as far as getting votes. You kept bringing up my name, which I don't really blame you for I guess, so that didn't help. Also, the fact that JAG seems to know something, and has stuck for me, I'm going to side with him. My preference would still be TheNorm, but that isn't happening today. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-23-2009, 06:34 PM	#744
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	You're right, Jackal, I could be getting played, and I understand what you're saying. I don't know. Maybe I'll switch to hoops. We'll see. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-23-2009, 06:35 PM	#746
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	I think my WW title should be The Sheep. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-23-2009, 02:43 PM	#702
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Martin - I wanted it to be a little bit nebulous in order to mess with the wolves. There is no way that I made a good night kill target last night, given all the heat that I should be taking today for my role down the stretch with last nights lynch. But in future nights I might have actually earned a little bit of trust and I want the wolves to be worried about what I may (or may not) be able to do.

07-23-2009, 02:45 PM	#703
TheNorm Mascot Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chicago, IL	Are we really sure that ntn is in the clear? Personally I find Schmidty's vote last night suspicious, but all the same am about as confused as I was yesterday. hoops also is setting off my spidey sense. ...and like I said earlier, I'm not saying Kelly Kapowski isn't attractive--just that Lisa was more attractive.

07-23-2009, 02:47 PM	#705
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	No NTN is definitely not in the clear, but as no one has refuted his role, and since it seems like a role Abe would probably include, I think we sort've agreed there were better candidates. But he is definitely not cleared.

07-23-2009, 02:48 PM	#707
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	The longer NTN stays alive the more suspicious he becomes, I guess, because if he's telling the truth the wolves will want to eliminate any potential seer, even if it's just one scan.

07-23-2009, 02:50 PM	#708
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Frankly I'm surprised you aren't drawing more heat than you have for that vote, Schmidty, but I guess people felt like going after JAG/hoops was a better plan, as some said last night they would.

07-23-2009, 02:58 PM	#711
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I agree that I should not be in the clear. And I do have a suspect. this is from voting analysis more than anything else...well sort of voting analysis. more like post analysis. From the time that EF declared his seerhood and the deadline, 3 people posted that either put their votes on EF or had them there and did not change them. Now Hoops and Schmidty have been talked about for those reasons already, so we don't have to say much else about those two. The one we haven't talked about in this regard is the current vote getter JAG. He was already on EF when the claim was made. Now Hoops made a fairly compelling argument why he voted EF after the fact. And I think Schmidty went along for the ride there. But I find it hard to believe that not one of the three did not want to give a even possible seer the benefit of the doubt. Having said this I really have little choice today and make it more of a landslide. Vote JAG

07-23-2009, 03:03 PM	#712
lerriuqs High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Saskatchewan	UNVOTE JAG VOTE Jackal I don't want to see this be a runaway on us right yet...

07-23-2009, 03:13 PM	#713
MartinD High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: East Lothian, Scotland	Going back to my Chapter 4/Night 2 vote: VOTE HOOPSGUY Can't really offer any reasons, because that would involve thinking, which seems to be surprisingly difficult for me at the moment... I'm done for the night - will catch up with what's happened in the morning.

07-23-2009, 03:49 PM	#718
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I think the vote is 4-3-3-1 with JAG ahead of me/Jackal ahead of TheNorm. TheNorm still has his vote in hand, correct?

07-23-2009, 03:51 PM	#719
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I believe so

07-23-2009, 04:08 PM	#722
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Go village.

07-23-2009, 04:17 PM	#724
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	That's kind of flimsy being that vanilla villager can only be proven by death, just like roles in the game, and won't be disputed, but it's moot because Schmidty isn't in the running today.

07-23-2009, 04:19 PM	#726
JetsIn06 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Rahway, NJ	And right now I'm leaning towards Wolf.

07-23-2009, 04:27 PM	#731
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Sorry, meant 'in the event that I survive the voting, I would rather not have said the role to keep the wolves from having that knowledge.'

07-23-2009, 04:37 PM	#732
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm likely out until the last hour or so prior to the lynch. I know that my opinions should be taken with a grain of salt, due to my very uncleared nature, but I don't think that JAG is the right horse today and I know that I'm not (any day). Hope to have time to discuss any/all of this in more depth leading up to the lynch.

07-23-2009, 05:26 PM	#733
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I'm on either JAG or Hoops for today (may move between the two) but I'm likely staying on either one for better or worse. I'll be on and off, trying to make homemade gyros...we'll see how that goes.

07-23-2009, 06:00 PM	#734
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	I don't think I've left out much in the way of analysis I've thought of that could be of use. I'd like to think I can say I've been helpful to the village to this point in laying out my thoughts and trying to set the record straight when I saw something that didn't jive from the start of the game. If I get lynched, use my posts from today with the addition of the night kill info as a road map of my insights. I also strongly think hoops should not be the vote tonight. Unfortunately it doesn't look promising for either of us, but I'd really much rather a run-off between Jackal and I than hoops and I.

07-23-2009, 06:25 PM	#737
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Any.. explanation?

07-23-2009, 06:26 PM	#738
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I understand why hoops and jag are on me, but I mean common, their voting records are not good. I don't see how mine is worse. You are voting for me because hoops wants to go after other people that voted for Pass but wont vote for jag? It's a lot of faith in an uncleared person who's been on the block most of the game.

07-23-2009, 06:31 PM	#739
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I mean Schmidty, you are following two of the people you followed in getting EF lynched yesterday, on top of the poor vote records. Our only cleared person is set on these two. I'm mildly baffled.

07-23-2009, 06:32 PM	#740
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I was around for the full deadline yesterday, I could've switched at anytime to nail EF's coffin and seemingly as Schmidty is showing not have gotten much attention for it. Why wouldn't I have just ended the seer's life instead of playing with chance?

07-23-2009, 06:32 PM	#741
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	if I was a wolf, that is

07-23-2009, 06:35 PM	#745
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I just wanted to at least have a little discussion with you, which you have, because I hate it when people vote without saying anything.

07-23-2009, 06:35 PM	#747
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	So thank you for showing me your thought process, we'll see what other people think in the last hour and a half here.

07-23-2009, 06:37 PM	#748
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	Im thinking of switching my vote off of hoops to be relevant but I dont think Jackal or JAG is certainly a wolf...

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