The Official 2014 NFL Draft Thread - Page 21

BillJasper · 05-13-2014, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMax58

It seems to me that the real disagreement from Jon stems from the singular argument of "choosing" to be gay (and pick your objection...naturalistic, religious text, etc.) vs "born" gay (and pick your argument here..."gay" gene, we're all born bisexual & some repress it less, etc.).

I've tried to wrap my mind around the "choosing to be gay" argument for a really long time and just can't do it. There is just no way you could get me to choose to have sex with a dude.

panerd · 05-13-2014, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

If there's a book telling you that, if you only have two choices, you'd rather your son have cancer than be gay...I'm sorry, but you need a new fucking book.

Like maybe one written by any parent who has lost their kid to pediatric cancer and would do anything for another hour with them. Hell, even a blog of Facebook post would do. I'd be happy to refer you to some so you can get some perspective on life.

Talk about offensive.

Big +1. I would say sad more than offenisive but it could be both. I would much rather last year that my brother was in a gay wedding than having his most of his esophagus removed with a 50/50 shot of 5 year survival.

BillJasper · 05-13-2014, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

If there's a book telling you that, if you only have two choices, you'd rather your son have cancer than be gay...I'm sorry, but you need a new fucking book.

Like maybe one written by any parent who has lost their kid to pediatric cancer and would do anything for another hour with them. Hell, even a blog of Facebook post would do. I'd be happy to refer you to some so you can get some perspective on life.

Talk about offensive.

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Originally Posted by Marmel

That right there is one of the most offensive things I have ever seen anybody say or write. I can't even imagine what kind of deranged person would think that, let alone share that with anybody. You are one fucked up person!

+1 to both of these.

Lathum · 05-13-2014, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Were you guys inspired to kiss each other immediately after watching it? Because, you know, that how it works, the gayness.

No. Not even a little. In fact we went to a UFC event later that night to wash off the gay.

cartman · 05-13-2014, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

No. Not even a little. In fact we went to a UFC event later that night to wash off the gay.

You mean an event with nearly naked guys rolling around on the floor together?

BillJasper · 05-13-2014, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

No. Not even a little. In fact we went to a UFC event later that night to wash off the gay.

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Originally Posted by cartman

You mean an event with nearly naked guys rolling around on the floor together?

SteveMax58 · 05-13-2014, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

I've tried to wrap my mind around the "choosing to be gay" argument for a really long time and just can't do it. There is just no way you could get me to choose to have sex with a dude.

There are those that would argue we're all born bisexual (or essentially without sexual prejudice to gender) and our environment/society/values steer us to repress our desires to homosexuality to favor heterosexuality to enable our survival. So if you are hetero-, you "chose" (perhaps requiring systematic brainwashing your entire life) to repress your desires. If you are gay, you "chose" to repress your desires by rejecting your environmental brainwashing. And if you are bisexual (or open to the idea of it), you are free(freer anyway) from prejudices imposed on you by your environment.

I'm not sure I subscribe to the logic & arguments out there for it (Innate bisexuality is the term I believe) but I guess I can't really be certain if I don't believe in free will. Its a paradox I guess.

Lathum · 05-13-2014, 10:17 AM

Fair point

Travis · 05-13-2014, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMax58

There are those that would argue we're all born bisexual (or essentially without sexual prejudice to gender) and our environment/society/values steer us to repress our desires to homosexuality to favor heterosexuality to enable our survival. So if you are hetero-, you "chose" (perhaps requiring systematic brainwashing your entire life) to repress your desires. If you are gay, you "chose" to repress your desires by rejecting your environmental brainwashing. And if you are bisexual (or open to the idea of it), you are free(freer anyway) from prejudices imposed on you by your environment.

I'm not sure I subscribe to the logic & arguments out there for it (Innate bisexuality is the term I believe) but I guess I can't really be certain if I don't believe in free will. Its a paradox I guess.

I've never looked into studies or anything as in depth as you discuss above but I've always wondered if very few are ever 100% gay or straight, but that we all land somewhere along the scale rather than at the extreme ends of the spectrum. Maybe never far close enough to the other end to engage in any acts with whatever gender lies on the far end of the scale, but still capable of feeling attraction or impulses towards them.

MacroGuru · 05-13-2014, 10:40 AM

I doubt anyone ever thought this thread would go like this:

lungs · 05-13-2014, 10:48 AM

Gunning for Tony Romo's job:

molson · 05-13-2014, 10:53 AM

We should have a draft of how we'd like our baby to turn out. Like, there would be a whole list of characteristics - gay, black, handicapped, Jewish, Yankee fan, and then everybody has to take turns picking until we run out.

Suburban Rhythm · 05-13-2014, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

We should have a draft of how we'd like our baby to turn out. Like, there would be a whole list of characteristics - gay, black, handicapped, Jewish, Yankee fan, and then everybody has to take turns picking until we run out.

Some things shouldn't be wished on anyone

DanGarion · 05-13-2014, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Generally you wouldn't replace a guy in a popular jersey with another guy wearing that exact same number. Or I'd think not, who knows.

You let the players wear the numbers they want. Profit ensues.

panerd · 05-13-2014, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

We should have a draft of how we'd like our baby to turn out. Like, there would be a whole list of characteristics - gay, black, handicapped, Jewish, Yankee fan, and then everybody has to take turns picking until we run out.

I am sure that thread would be hugely offensive with all sorts of penalty boxings and possibly even bannings. I do admit I would probably check in it a few times a day though.

Super Ugly · 05-13-2014, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

Gunning for Tony Romo's job:

Outstanding.

DanGarion · 05-13-2014, 11:28 AM

I'll take gay with my #1 pick.

DanGarion · 05-13-2014, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

Gunning for Tony Romo's job:

Wow he's great at holding a football like an idiot. I'm not sure how that translates to the field though.

Travis · 05-13-2014, 11:30 AM

Quite liked the Seahawks draft this year. Between the guys coming in and the players from last year that essentially red shirted, they've got a lot of options to create competition almost across the board. Sure there are some spots (like QB1, FS1, SS1, CB1) locked up, but quite a few spots on the team will go to those that earn them in camp. Even brought in a FB with a late round pick just to ensure that there's competition for that spot as well.

Also appreciating that they're keeping an eye towards next year with these picks as quite a few can make the team this year for special teams roles and will have a year to be coached up so that they can compete for spots next year as current starters aren't brought back for various reasons.

Going to be very interesting to watch how both the offensive and defensive line battles play out.

BillJasper · 05-13-2014, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

I'll take gay with my #1 pick.

I've had this talk with both of my older kids. As long as they're happy people who harm no one else, I'm good with whatever choices they make in life.

chadritt · 05-13-2014, 12:16 PM

Honestly I wouldnt take gay #1 just because id be scared of people like Jon. Being a straight Jew I can only really guess but Jew is mostly a non-issue, at least where Ive lived, so that would be #1. Yankee fan is definitely last though.

cartman · 05-13-2014, 12:19 PM

Bi-sexual, ambidextrious, albino Eskimo is still on the board. How far will they fall?

BillJasper · 05-13-2014, 12:32 PM

Good to know that Richard Sherman wasn't the highest paid DB in the league for long...

Browns, Joe Haden agree to new contract through 2019 | ProFootballTalk

DaddyTorgo · 05-13-2014, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

I'll take gay with my #1 pick.

Question is - how far down would "like certain FOFC posters" slip?

Travis · 05-13-2014, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Good to know that Richard Sherman wasn't the highest paid DB in the league for long...

Browns, Joe Haden agree to new contract through 2019 | ProFootballTalk

So glad the Seahawks got Sherman done before Haden or Peterson got their new deals, never mind how much more it would have likely cost them to wait until next year to extend him or the year after that if they tagged him after this season. It's really too bad they can't extend Wilson now before guys like Kaepernick sign new deals.

SteveMax58 · 05-13-2014, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Good to know that Richard Sherman wasn't the highest paid DB in the league for long...

Browns, Joe Haden agree to new contract through 2019 | ProFootballTalk

I guess my only question is who do the Browns think they need Haden & Gilbert to defend against? I mean, its nice to have 2 solid CBs and allows you to run some more aggressive fronts and all, but thats is a team with a lotta needs there. And the teams they need to beat aren't loaded at WR and/or really very pass-happy unless they are putting themselves up with Denver or NE already.

IDK...just seems a Sammy Watkins at 4 would have benefited them more than a CB.

Suburban Rhythm · 05-13-2014, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

I've had this talk with both of my older kids. As long as they're happy people who harm no one else, I'm good with whatever choices they make in life.

Yeah I'm not getting the faux outrage I was seeing on Twitter, etc.

My son is 7. I know him pretty well. The conversation would have gone like this (had he even cared to notice the event):

Sam: Why are those boys kissing?
Me: They love each other
Sam: Can we go play hockey in the driveway?

chadritt · 05-13-2014, 01:19 PM

maybe they realized that they just saved a TON of money on Gordons next contract so they might as well?

Subby · 05-13-2014, 01:21 PM

I think the answer is obvious. Son would have cancer chosen by his father and then his dying words to dad are "I'm gay".

BillJasper · 05-13-2014, 01:23 PM

Maybe the failed test isn't as cut and dry as the media is making it out to be? Perhaps the Browns are in a 'wait and see mode' regarding Gordon. They could make a play for Crabtree now that the Niners have brought in Stevie Johnson.

BillJasper · 05-13-2014, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

I think the answer is obvious. Son would have cancer chosen by his father and then his dying words to dad are "I'm gay".

Ouch!

Matthean · 05-13-2014, 02:10 PM

Michigan and USC are now tied for the lead in terms of longest streak with a draft pick since Texas had none.

Matthean · 05-13-2014, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMax58

IDK...just seems a Sammy Watkins at 4 would have benefited them more than a CB.

You need to factor in the 1st rounder they get next year as well. I doubt many expect the Bills to be that great since NE tends to win the division by default. The Bills might be a 9-7 at best.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-13-2014, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Yeah I'm not getting the faux outrage I was seeing on Twitter, etc.

My son is 7. I know him pretty well. The conversation would have gone like this (had he even cared to notice the event):

Sam: Why are those boys kissing?
Me: They love each other
Sam: Can we go play hockey in the driveway?

SR: Sure! /sprays Sam with a water bottle and laughs

Suburban Rhythm · 05-13-2014, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

SR: Sure! /sprays Sam with a water bottle and laughs

I can't decide how this is supposed to end.

a) I owe Sam between $2820.52 and $5000.00
b) he tells me he's gay
c) one of us has cancer

Matthean · 05-13-2014, 03:18 PM

2014 NFL draft: Deconstructing the four-way battle for pick No. 22 | The MMQB with Peter King

On the Bridgewater vs. Manziel debate.

2014 NFL draft: Teddy Bridgewater didn't want to be drafted by Cleveland Browns | Audibles - SI.com

Easy to say now, but Bridgewater didn't seem to want to go to Cleveland either.

BillJasper · 05-13-2014, 04:57 PM

2015 NFL Mock Draft: Cedric Ogbuehi goes No. 1 to Oakland Raiders | Audibles - SI.com

BillJasper · 05-13-2014, 05:02 PM

CFL drops the hammer on one of their players over Sam...

CFL fines Calgary Stampeders’ Maurice Price for ‘repugnant’ Michael Sam tweet | National Post

BishopMVP · 05-13-2014, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMax58

I guess my only question is who do the Browns think they need Haden & Gilbert to defend against? I mean, its nice to have 2 solid CBs and allows you to run some more aggressive fronts and all, but thats is a team with a lotta needs there. And the teams they need to beat aren't loaded at WR and/or really very pass-happy unless they are putting themselves up with Denver or NE already.

IDK...just seems a Sammy Watkins at 4 would have benefited them more than a CB.

I don't have a problem with the trade down to 9 given what they picked up. Deciding to trade up (even if only just a little) to get a 2nd CB was weird, especially because no one really seemed to think there was much separation between Gilbert, Fuller and Dennard.

Matthean · 05-13-2014, 10:03 PM

There was so much talk of the Pats and Texans doing a trade that involved Mallet, and now that it hasn't happened(so far), I think drafting Garoppolo seems odd unless they really don't have that much faith in Mallet.

BishopMVP · 05-13-2014, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

There was so much talk of the Pats and Texans doing a trade that involved Mallet, and now that it hasn't happened(so far), I think drafting Garoppolo seems odd unless they really don't have that much faith in Mallet.

I never saw the Patriots re-signing Mallett after this season - someone will offer him more than a backup QB should get, and the timing isn't right for him to take over from Brady (I also don't think he's good... but that's a different argument.) We like having the backup QB's on a rookie contract - Kevin O'Connell was similarly picked in the 3rd round in 2008 despite Matt Cassel still being on the roster.

I do agree that it's a little weird and I do hope Mallett gets traded during training camp if Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't cutting it, but again similar to Cassel there is a chance they wait until this offseason, make him their franchise player and trade him before FA starts.

mrtourette · 05-14-2014, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

2014 NFL draft: Deconstructing the four-way battle for pick No. 22 | The MMQB with Peter King

On the Bridgewater vs. Manziel debate.

Interesting read, especially as a Miami fan as they should have been able to trade down and stil make the same pick. If the Browns gazumped three teams to get to #22 then couldn't Miami have given one of them the opportunity to jump ahead of the Browns to #19?

EDIT: Although I guess it would have been too late by that point. D'oh!

Logan · 05-14-2014, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

I do agree that it's a little weird and I do hope Mallett gets traded during training camp if Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't cutting it, but again similar to Cassel there is a chance they wait until this offseason, make him their franchise player and trade him before FA starts.

If Mallet gets franchised next year, something has gone horribly wrong for your team in 2014.

BillJasper · 05-14-2014, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

If Mallet gets franchised next year, something has gone horribly wrong for your team in 2014.

No doubt. Cassel had an 11-5 season under his belt as a starter before getting franchised and traded. I doubt the Patriots would use up twenty-million in cap space to franchise someone holding a clipboard.

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