Werewolf: Hunt for Necromancers - GAME OVER! Post #3469

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by saldana

the question here is... why wouldnt they. would you take at best a 50% chance of getting a kill with a 20% chance of being recognized or a 25% chance of killing another PMBP, or risk a 100% chance of meeting the EG and getting killed yourelf, when if you take a night off and try and find another rigor mortis rump ranger, you increase your sucess chance to 100%?

im not saying they all searched, only that logically, it makes the most sense...and if there were a night kill attempt, why havent we heard anything about it.

Because a succesful kill would have fantastic consequences. Imagine how f***ed up we'd be if there had been a KILL last night.

Were I a nec, I'd have definitely tried a kill.

[st.cronin]

dola

If you attempt a kill, this is how it works out (I think):

50 percent success
BETTER than 50 percent success if another nec joins you (which is unlikely but possible)

If you attempt to kill a nec, there is a LARGE chance that you will recognize each other before killing one another.

If your kill fails, there is a small chance you will be recognized.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Because a succesful kill would have fantastic consequences. Imagine how f***ed up we'd be if there had been a KILL last night.

Were I a nec, I'd have definitely tried a kill.

But who would you target? granted the chances of them killing a non-necro is great (assuming 4-5 necros now), but you have a chance of killing your ally. If I were a necro I'd search day one if I didn't find a fellow necro then at least I have one person who gave me a 50% shot at a kill. at most I have an ally to trade info on.

[kingfc22]

[OOC]Just wanted to let everyone know that I have to leave for work in 2 hrs. and won't be back until after the deadline.
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[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

But who would you target? granted the chances of them killing a non-necro is great (assuming 4-5 necros now), but you have a chance of killing your ally. If I were a necro I'd search day one if I didn't find a fellow necro then at least I have one person who gave me a 50% shot at a kill. at most I have an ally to trade info on.

Do we know the mechanics of how the necro's search? It may be just a random thing, like the nec says "search for nec" in his night action, and it's a random event whether he finds one or not. Otherwise, I agree, what you have described makes sense. But I don't think it's quite the same way the seer role works, I think it's different.

[kingfc22]

I wonder if the Head Necromancer and Dreamweaver know each other and then they have a couple of initiates searching for one another. IMO, that would seem to make the game balance a little more level compared to making them search to find one another.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Do we know the mechanics of how the necro's search? It may be just a random thing, like the nec says "search for nec" in his night action, and it's a random event whether he finds one or not. Otherwise, I agree, what you have described makes sense. But I don't think it's quite the same way the seer role works, I think it's different.

my interpertation was it was just like the seer...didn't think of it the other way. However, if it was your way of thinking why wouldn't the necros just search on night one then they would know who eachother was....hoops another clarification needed I think.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

dola

If you attempt a kill, this is how it works out (I think):

50 percent success
BETTER than 50 percent success if another nec joins you (which is unlikely but possible)

If you attempt to kill a nec, there is a LARGE chance that you will recognize each other before killing one another.

If your kill fails, there is a small chance you will be recognized.

I think the rules say 50% then 10% per person going on the kill.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

dola

If you attempt a kill, this is how it works out (I think):

50 percent success
BETTER than 50 percent success if another nec joins you (which is unlikely but possible)

If you attempt to kill a nec, there is a LARGE chance that you will recognize each other before killing one another.

If your kill fails, there is a small chance you will be recognized.

don't downplay the %s

[/i]Necromancers do not know each other from the outset
- each one can attack on a given night
- a single Necromancer has a 50% chance of achieving a night kill alone. If there are two involved, that percentage rises to 100%.
- if they attack the Elite Guard, Mummy, or Avatar by themselves, they die. If they attack with two members, they escape the Elite Guard, but one is killed by the Mummy or Avatar.
- if they attack another necromancer, there is a 25% chance that one dies before they identify each other as necromancers
- on a failed night kill, there is a 20% chance that the target learns the identity of the necromancer.
- once they identify a fellow necromancer they can communicate (PM, IM, etc)[/i]

If a necromancer finds another one, they can both target the same person with no fear of death (ATM since I don't think it's possible to have a mummy or avatar yet) and 100% success rate

I think we have the advantage at the moment over the necromancers. However, once they find each other ,if we allow them to, they will have the advantage.

[Chubby]

dola, eh I meant to italicize the rules

[hoopsguy]

The necromancer search is pretty similar to the seer, except that a seer gets more complete information. The necromancer just learns if the target is a fellow necromancer or is an Egyptian. If the answer is yes, then he can initiate PMs with his co-conspirator. If not, then he knows the identity of one of his enemies.

The only other piece of information that a necromancer using search receives is if an Egyptian left his home in the evening or stayed in his house. That last piece of information was not published in the original ruleset but was made available to the necromancer(s) who conducted a search last night.

[st.cronin]

Ok, then that changes things a bit. That makes it less likely the necs would attempt a kill last night, but makes it very likely that they will attempt a kill tonight. I'm not 100% convinced that Lathum got scanned last night, I still think there are some other possibilities, but that is probably the most likely.

[Chubby]

hoops -

So does the person that gets viewed by the seer become aware they were watched?

Does the person that gets viewed by the necromancers become aware they were watched?

[st.cronin]

I don't think we need to spend a whole lot of time today wondering about what happened to Lathum last night. I think it's enough to accept that he's probably a good guy.

[st.cronin]

VOTE SCHMIDTY

Absent any new info, I'll stick with my D1 vote.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Chubby

hoops -

So does the person that gets viewed by the seer become aware they were watched?

Does the person that gets viewed by the necromancers become aware they were watched?

I think there might be some kind of dice roll involved. Like someone said earlier, if the scanee found out they were viewed each time, then it would be very easy for us to build a circle of trust.

[hoopsguy]

Chubby - this is a clarification that I'm not going to make at this point in the game. I need to leave some room for both sides to play the game (stretch the rules) which means that I can't give away everything that is not written explicitly in the rules.

[saldana]

i am going to go with a feeling here. usually he is one of the more analytical players in the game...last game he practically joined the triumvirate of talk (credit:blade), and now all of the sudden he is trying to pick apart my logic with some seriously faulty statements that are easily contradicted by a simple reading of the rules.

st cronin

[saldana]

dola, that should read

vote st cronin

[kingfc22]

So only two votes so far.

Does anyone think that path might have an alternate win scenario? As a pharoah, wouldn't he want to get rid of the ruling class to ensure that his reign continues? What if he knows who the ruling class is and he wins if they are all eliminated? Just a thought I had.

[kingfc22]

dola - 3 votes now.

[SnDvls]

well if we're all throwing votes out again.

Vote Coffee Warlord

seems as good a day 2 vote as day 1.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

well if we're all throwing votes out again.

Vote Coffee Warlord

seems as good a day 2 vote as day 1.

Unless I'm mistaken, you didn't vote for me Day 1.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by saldana

i am going to go with a feeling here. usually he is one of the more analytical players in the game...last game he practically joined the triumvirate of talk (credit:blade), and now all of the sudden he is trying to pick apart my logic with some seriously faulty statements that are easily contradicted by a simple reading of the rules.

st cronin

What have I said that was "faulty"? I've explained my understanding of the odds, and after hoops clarified the mechanics, I changed my mind.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Unless I'm mistaken, you didn't vote for me Day 1.

And with that.

Vote SNDVLS

[Barkeep49]

I don't disagree that cronin's doing somethign different but find him to be a player who relies on his gut more than most. Certainly somebody to think about and likely for me to examine closer after I get home.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Unless I'm mistaken, you didn't vote for me Day 1.

no you are correct. I just want to hear from you more being a strong player and all.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord to SnDvls

Unless I'm mistaken, you didn't vote for me Day 1.

Is this true?

Guess so... (as I was about to post just the line above I saw SnDvls confirm it)

[SnDvls]

dola - I'll probally move it if Tangle doesn't show up or might go to dubb who hasn't said much either.

[st.cronin]

Keep in mind that last game I had an absolutely crazy role that I had no idea how to play. This game, my role is not so critical or difficult.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

no you are correct. I just want to hear from you more being a strong player and all.

Touched on the points I could think of earlier today, and there's not much else I can add to the current discussion that hasn't already been brought up.

[hoopsguy]

I try not to make up crazy roles like that SirFozzie character

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I try not to make up crazy roles like that SirFozzie character

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[hoopsguy]

Here are the votes I have seen so far. I'll post one more time before I head out for the afternoon/evening:

Chubby - Lathum (572)
Schmidty - Cronin (615)
Cronin - Saldana (618)
Coffee - SnDvls (622)

[dubb93]

Just got completely caught up, nothing really to go on right now. I'm heading back out to the pool to enjoy my day off, I'll be back on before the deadline to take in any new information.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Ok, then that changes things a bit. That makes it less likely the necs would attempt a kill last night, but makes it very likely that they will attempt a kill tonight. I'm not 100% convinced that Lathum got scanned last night, I still think there are some other possibilities, but that is probably the most likely.

Can you explain how you thought it worked before hoopsguy clarified?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Can you explain how you thought it worked before hoopsguy clarified?

Yes. I thought that the nec would send his night action as either "kill so and so" or "look for nec", meaning just try to make contact with any nec, not trying to discover whether a specific person was a nec or not. The odds on a kill were posted, and seemed fairly decent. I was assuming that the odds for success on "look for nec" would be low, like 20 percent or less. In fact, they are actually quite lower than that, but if the nec finds somebody who is not a nec, the kill option makes some sense for tonight. Last night, it probably didn't make sense.

[kingfc22]

Well, I'm off to work. I hope we lynch a nec today.

[Barkeep49]

Have we heard from bullet today? Seems like we're missing a couple of others besides him and tangle. There's been some great discussion but would love to see even more players involved.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Here are the votes I have seen so far. I'll post one more time before I head out for the afternoon/evening:

Chubby - Lathum (572)
Schmidty - Cronin (615)
Cronin - Saldana (618)
Coffee - SnDvls (622)

You're missing:

SnDvls - kingfc22

[hoopsguy]

Chubby - Lathum (572)
Schmidty - Cronin (615)
Cronin - Saldana (618)
Coffee - SnDvls (622)
SnDvls - Kingfc (625)

Thanks for the catch.

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Chubby - Lathum (572)
Schmidty - Cronin (615)
Cronin - Saldana (618)
Coffee - SnDvls (622)
SnDvls - Kingfc (625)

Thanks for the catch.

Well, that's nicely bunched. Think I'll hold off awhile more.

[Coffee Warlord]

Vote SnDvls

Only slight oddity I've seen thus far today.

Hardly a set-in-stone vote. Just making sure I get a vote in before I go home.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Well, I'm off to work. I hope we lynch a nec today.

if you keep you vote on me there's no chance.

[bulletsponge]

Have we heard from bullet today? Seems like we're missing a couple of others besides him and tangle. There's been some great discussion but would love to see even more players involved

i got home from work 1 hours ago and have been reading the 3 or 4 pages of posts yall have written. this is my first game so im trying to read all the post to get a better feel of how the game goes. now were in a day phase where we dedide who we lynch in our paranioa right?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

i got home from work 1 hours ago and have been reading the 3 or 4 pages of posts yall have written. this is my first game so im trying to read all the post to get a better feel of how the game goes. now were in a day phase where we dedide who we lynch in our paranioa right?

Correct. Glad to ehar from you. As with Chubby questions are welcome as you get your feel through the wacky world of WW.

[hoopsguy]

Yes, there is a lynch during every "Day phase". Hopefully each day brings more information so the group makes more informed decisions as days go by.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Yes, there is a lynch during every "Day phase". Hopefully each day brings more information so the group makes more informed decisions as days go by.

Yeah the GM is rooting for the good guys!

[bulletsponge]

Hmmm, so Lathum is the only person who said he was spyed on last night so far, and nobody was attcaked by a necro yet. at least nobody has came foward yet

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

Hmmm, so Lathum is the only person who said he was spyed on last night so far, and nobody was attcaked by a necro yet. at least nobody has came foward yet

Correct.