WW LXVI: Money Money Money (Game Over!)

[Barkeep49]

Chief's game looks to be wrapping up. I would love to start early next week. Rules are below. You'll noticed that they are unfinished (there is XX in a couple of places); I need a sense of how many players will be in the game so I can figure out realistic amounts of money to put into the game. Sign-ups start now. I'd like at least 12 for the game, and after that the more the merrier. Don't hesitate to ask questions.

Also I know that this will be important to some people: I simply think that the game balance would be thrown off by a 24 hour cycle. My plan for deadlines are 10 PM Eastern for Day and 7 or 8 AM Eastern for Night. I will, however, accept conditional votes for those for whom that would make a difference.

Sign-ups
1. Lathum
2. Pass
3. hoopsguy
4. path
5. Render
6. Arles
7. Alan T
8. The Jackal
9. Chief Rum
10. mauboy
11. Schmidty
12. claphamsa
13. SnDvls
14. Mr. Wednesday
15. Swaggs
16. DaddyTorgo
17. saldana
18. Tyrith

[Barkeep49]

nm

[Barkeep49]

Some people want happiness. Some people want love. Your goal is a good deal simpler: you want money and of course that’s what your friends (aka people who have enough money to make it worth socializing with) want as well. And being the competitive sort, you’d like to be the richest person amongst your friends. Of course your friends feel the same way. And for years that’s all been well and good. But now some have decided to take this friendly informal competition too far. They are killing people to get their way.

Rules
There are the traditional two sides to this game: the Rich (aka Villagers) & the Cutthroat (aka Wolves). The goal for each side is to have the most money when the game ends. Each player begins the game, on Day 1, with $30,000.


Each day the group will choose one player to bankrupt, using their collective influence. You should vote for this player by voting for them at the end of your post using bold and the color blue.

Originally Posted by Sample Post

I think BK is a wolf.

Vote BK

You may NOT unvote in this game. Like everything else voting costs money, $10,000 a vote, however your first vote is free. You may cast as many or few votes as you wish (and your cash allows). For each day that you cast at least 1 vote you receive $15,000 at the start of the next day. Tie votes will result in no bankruptcy.

There will be no roles (e.g. seer) in this game. Instead a player may win the use of a service. Each day a player may bid on 1 service. To submit a bid the player should PM me with the name of the service they’re bidding on and the amount they’re bidding in the PM title. Only the last bid on a day will be considered. Tie bids are broken by a predetermined secret non-random tie breaker. Winning amounts, but not who bid, will be published daily.

Players may give money to each other in the thread, though once per day the Cutthroat may transfer money from one player to another privately by PM’ing me.

Players may choose to keep their money in one of three places (players may put money into more than one place):
On hand – Eligible to be used freely, however, any money on hand is given to Cutthroat upon death.
In the bank – Eligible to be used freely, however money in the bank is revealed to the winner of an auction each day
In a CD – Players may buy a 1, 2, or 3 day CD. This money may not be spent, but the money earns interest. A 1 day CD pays 5% interest, a 2 day CD pays 7.5% interest (compounded daily), and a 3 day CD pays 10% interest (compounded daily).

Players may change where they have money as a night action. When submitting this action they may account for where they would like their $15,000 voting bonus to go.

The game will start with a Day 0. Players need to do two three actions during Night 0. First they must state an amount between $20,000 and $100,000. During the game the Cutthroats will have the chance to bribe a player or players. If they meet the asking price for a player, that player will be converted to the cutthroat side and the money removed from the game. If the bribe attempt fails that player gets to keep the attempted bribe.

Second, players must also name a beneficiary. When a player dies all their money (except what the Cutthroats take) goes to the beneficiary. Players may change their beneficiary at any time for the cost of $10,000.

Finally players must decide how they are going to distribute their initial $30,000.

Players who attempt to spend money which they do not have will be investigated by the FBI, and may be found guilty of fraud. If so they lose and are removed from the game.

Finally, the game does not end in the traditional way. Anytime after Day 4 the players may “Vote to end the game”. Once 60% of players vote to end the game the game is immediately over and the side with the most money wins. Players MAY rescind their vote to end the game.

[Barkeep49]

Day 1:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Bodyguard Firm: May choose 1 player to be protected from attacks. Must be used night 1.
Private Investigator: Will learn the side (Cutthroat or Rich) of 1 player. Must be used night 1.
Government Insider: May avoid bankruptcy one time. This will be used automatically and is not given to your beneficiary upon death.

Day 2:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Bodyguard Firm: Winning player protected from attacks. Must be used Night 2.
Private Investigator: Will learn the side (Cutthroat or Rich) of 1 player. Must be used night 2.
Telecommunications Mogul: May choose on Day 3 to either block all Cutthroat communication, or to allow all players PM rights.

Day 3:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Bodyguard Firm: May choose 1 player to be protected from attacks. May be used any night.
Private Investigator: Will learn the side (Cutthroat or Rich) of a player on each of two nights. Must be used night 3 & 4.
Thief: May choose to rob a player’s on hand OR Bank Account. May be used any night, but is not given to your beneficiary upon death.

Day 4:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Wiretapper: Receives 20% of all money from successful auction bids on Days 4 & 5.
Notary Public: May change the beneficiary on another player’s will (without their knowledge). Must be used by Night 6.
Financial Analyst: Will learn the total money of 1 player. Must be used night 4.

Day 5:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Bodyguard Firm: May choose a player to be protected from attacks on two consecutive nights (may not be the same player). Must be used Nights 5 and 6.
Hitman: Winning player may choose another player to be killed. Must be used Night 5.
Lawyer: May learn the beneficiary of 2 players. Must be used Night 5.

Day 6:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Private Investigator: Will learn the side (Cutthroat or Rich) of 1 player. Must be used night 6.
Underworld connection: If won by the Cutthroats, they receive a bonus kill on Night 6. If won by the Rich no kill or conversion may happen that night.

Day 7:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Bodyguard Firm: May choose 1 player to be protected from attacks.
Financial Analyst: Will learn the total money of 1 player. Must be used night 7.

Day 8:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Private Investigator: Will learn the side (Cutthroat or Rich) of 1 player. Must be used night 8.
Wiretapper: Receives 20% of all money from successful auction bids on Days 8 & 9.

Day 9:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Private Investigator: Will learn the side (Cutthroat or Rich) of 1 player. Must be used night 9
Government Insider: May not be bankrupted on the day won and the following day.

Day 10:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Bodyguard Firm: Winning player protected from attacks. Must be night 10.
Lawyer: May learn the beneficiary of 2 players. Must be used Night 9.

Note 1: If game goes longer than 10 days, the cycle repeats starting at Day 6 (so Days 11 & 16 offers the same auction as Day 6, Days 12 & 17 the same as Day 7, and so on).

Note 2: If a power is good for more than one night and doesn’t state otherwise, it will be given to a player’s beneficiary if used when that player dies.

[Lathum]

I AM SO IN THIS GAME!!!!

[Passacaglia]

I want money, lots and lots of money
I want the pie in the sky
I want money, lots and lots of money
So don't be asking me why...
I wanna be rich!

[path12]

I'm all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack.

In.

[hoopsguy]

Let's see how the schedule works out ... in.

[RendeR]

Money Money Money
Must be funny
in a Rich man's world....


Sign me up.

[Arles]

Money, it's a crime
Share it fairly but don't take a slice of my pie
Money, so they say
Is the root of all evil today
But if you ask for a rise it's no surprise that they're
giving none away

I'm in

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Arles

Money, it's a crime
Share it fairly but don't take a slice of my pie
Money, so they say
Is the root of all evil today
But if you ask for a rise it's no surprise that they're
giving none away

I'm in

does this mean you are giving away your next game?

[Alan T]

A man like that is hard to find but I can't get him off my mind
Ain't it sad
And if he happens to be free I bet he wouldn't fancy me
That's too bad
So I must leave, I'll have to go
To Las Vegas or Monaco
And win a fortune in a game, my life will never be the same


I'm in

[The Jackal]

Ill have to re-read the rules a few times, but count me in.

[finkenst]

this ought to be interesting.. i'll be reading along.

[finkenst]

but out

[Chief Rum]

I'll play.

[mauchow]

Whoa!

in-teresting

[Schmidty]

I'll be in, but honestly, if I were a WW GM, I sure as hell wouldn't want me in my game.

[claphamsa]

inarino

[jeheinz72]

Hey BK, what's the plan for weekend play? I know I'm headed out of town earlier than normal on Friday and won't be on all weekend.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Hey BK, what's the plan for weekend play? I know I'm headed out of town earlier than normal on Friday and won't be on all weekend.

My thought would be an extended night cycle from Friday, likely until Sunday morning, and then an extended Day from Sunday morning to Monday night.

[claphamsa]

Ugh, im a night one casualty. can we just go ahead and start this one today?

KTHXBAI

[jeheinz72]

I don't know if I really want to have to, but I'm going to sit this one out.

With my being gone for the weekends and the night actions being in a time when I'm not online, it's likely best.

I'll be reading though for sure!

[SnDvls]

Everyone's got a price

I'm in

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

Everyone's got a price

I'm in

yes but most people's price is in dollars Man, not pennies....

[claphamsa]

oh yeah, and for killing me last game when i couldnt make my arguemnt


vote path

[Barkeep49]

So plan is to end sign-ups Monday early evening, likely around 6 or so, send out roles shortly there after. There is a Night 0, so that would run until 8 AM or so Tuesday. We would then get on the regular schedule.

[Passacaglia]

So is the goal to have the most money individually, or for your team to have more money than the other team?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So is the goal to have the most money individually, or for your team to have more money than the other team?

When the game ends the idea is to be on the team with the most money.

[SnDvls]

What happens if I bid all my money on a service...it's accepted, but I have none to vote?

[Mr. Wednesday]

In.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

oh yeah, and for killing me last game when i couldnt make my arguemnt


vote path

The one you should be getting on is olie, she's the one who had to choose between the two of you and didn't even bother to wait to be convinced (and, furthermore, didn't peruse the record closely enough).

[claphamsa]

vote path & Ollie

sitting in a tree......

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

What happens if I bid all my money on a service...it's accepted, but I have none to vote?

First vote is free and gives you the $10,000 for the next day.

[DaddyTorgo]

okay...i'm in

[ntndeacon]

You've got the brawn, I've got the looks.
Let's make lots of money!

In

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

You've got the brawn, I've got the looks.
Let's make lots of money!

In

ooh, ntndeacon wins the song reference contest

[DaddyTorgo]

oh man. bidding? is this going to end up like that fustercluck of a rome game. Ugh
(don't mind me...i'm grumpy right now)

[path12]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

oh yeah, and for killing me last game when i couldnt make my arguemnt


vote path

Just think of all the typing I saved you.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

oh man. bidding? is this going to end up like that fustercluck of a rome game. Ugh
(don't mind me...i'm grumpy right now)

I think it was less the bidding and more the lack of death reveals that caused problems in Rome, but I could be wrong. Also there's a difference between Rome, where your wealth was unknown, and here where it's very concrete.

[st.cronin]

I think the issue in Rome was that the strategic concepts behind the bidding were not explained well enough by the gm. People didn't have enough information to make good decisions.

[saldana]

i'll play

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think it was less the bidding and more the lack of death reveals that caused problems in Rome, but I could be wrong. Also there's a difference between Rome, where your wealth was unknown, and here where it's very concrete.

like I said...don't take that as an indictment of the Rome game. That was just for me the most frustrating WW game I've ever been a part of. And I'm still grumpy too, not trying to slag anyone.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

like I said...don't take that as an indictment of the Rome game. That was just for me the most frustrating WW game I've ever been a part of. And I'm still grumpy too, not trying to slag anyone.

hey, bck off, GRUMPY is MY domain around here.

[Tyrith]

I've refused every invitation into WW lately...but this is so freaking tempting...I'm at least going to think about it.

[Racer]

This one sounds really cool but I think I'm going to to turn this one down since I'm retaking an actuary exam at the end of the month.

[Barkeep49]

I've put a rough draft the the auction schedule up so people can ask questions about that. The rules are also in near final draft form. Both may see tweaks between now and the start of the game as I try to hone balance.

If I change anything going forward I will note it in a post.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Racer

This one sounds really cool but I think I'm going to to turn this one down since I'm retaking an actuary exam at the end of the month.

Good luck dude!

[Chief Rum]

When will the game start? If it's somewhere above, sorry I missed it. Just being sure, as I am about to go to bed, and have my usual two-job Monday, so I won't be able to get on, play, vote, read my initial PM, etc. until about 9 p.m. Monday my time at the earliest.

[hoopsguy]

Do you need to pay to change your beneficiary if they die?

Does your money continue to accrue interest if in a CD upon your death before moving to your beneficiary or are assets immediately liquidated and passed on to the beneficiary?