WW IL - Do Werewolves Dream of Electric Sheep? Game Over, page 36 - Page 7

RendeR · 07-17-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

So if it had been you in bullet's spot, you wouldn't have changed your vote to save yourself? Really?

As a Human, I'd like to think so.

Now if i were a REPLICANT? Hells yeah I'd be saving my ass.

Alan T · 07-17-2007, 08:13 PM

So now that we learned absolutely nothing about the vote... What can we tell about it...

A) DT was good, Render moved for some weird reason that is unexplainable
B) DT was bad, Render moved to save him
C) DT was bad, Render moved for some weird reason that is unexplainable

I know alot of people suggested to scan Swaggs or ardent tonight, but I'm not so sure that Render wouldn't be a bad scan choice. I have felt his play today was odd all day, but don't necessarily think odd play = wolf all the time though.

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 08:14 PM

DT and ardent were both pretty much MIA all day.

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-17-2007, 08:15 PM

Oh, and if anyone wants to know, in my dream the sun crashed into my apartment and destroyed all my nice new furniture.

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 08:16 PM

No, I say our seers scan somebody else, and tomorrow we just lynch Render regardless. If Render is bad, good for us. If he's good, why force the seers to out themselves on day 2?

Telle · 07-17-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

No, I say our seers scan somebody else, and tomorrow we just lynch Render regardless. If Render is bad, good for us. If he's good, why force the seers to out themselves on day 2?

Works for me.. then I don't have to keep biting my tongue every time I want to say something about the game to him!

Alan T · 07-17-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

No, I say our seers scan somebody else, and tomorrow we just lynch Render regardless. If Render is bad, good for us. If he's good, why force the seers to out themselves on day 2?

I think Deckard's role appears to be pretty powerful. I assume based on what the rules state, that he has the ability to either scan someone or do a night attack for good (but not both). The other seer role I would guess is just plain seer only and no scan. Or perhaps a weaker seer type scan (chance of failure?).

So I would guess Deckard could scan him one night and kill him the next night without ever outing himself.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

As a Human, I'd like to think so.

Now if i were a REPLICANT? Hells yeah I'd be saving my ass.

Do you understand my post about why the noble sacrifice is a losing play as villager?

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I think Deckard's role appears to be pretty powerful. I assume based on what the rules state, that he has the ability to either scan someone or do a night attack for good (but not both). The other seer role I would guess is just plain seer only and no scan. Or perhaps a weaker seer type scan (chance of failure?).

So I would guess Deckard could scan him one night and kill him the next night without ever outing himself.

Yeah. Decker is our friend no doubt about it.

DaddyTorgo · 07-17-2007, 08:20 PM

crap. I'm not used to being on the west coast. I missed deadline hmm? ah well...today was the one day i'll likely be out of touch. The rest of the game should happen during my vacation-vacation

LoneStarGirl · 07-17-2007, 08:24 PM

Wow, two games in a row for DaddyTorgo... I guess he learned his lesson about gloating

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-17-2007, 08:25 PM

I'm wondering how the replicants attack/gain knowledge. I gather that Roy Batty can kill whomever he pleases and that Priss learns a person's role, but does Leon have any other ability other than taking out the person who attacks him? What I'm concerned about is that he (and maybe Roy if he chooses not to kill) has the ability to "spy" on someone. If we send our two Blade Runners to test AE and Swaggs, are we sending our two most important players into a trap?

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I think Deckard's role appears to be pretty powerful. I assume based on what the rules state, that he has the ability to either scan someone or do a night attack for good (but not both). The other seer role I would guess is just plain seer only and no scan. Or perhaps a weaker seer type scan (chance of failure?).

So I would guess Deckard could scan him one night and kill him the next night without ever outing himself.

That's a good point.

Alan T · 07-17-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I'm wondering how the replicants attack/gain knowledge. I gather that Roy Batty can kill whomever he pleases and that Priss learns a person's role, but does Leon have any other ability other than taking out the person who attacks him? What I'm concerned about is that he (and maybe Roy if he chooses not to kill) has the ability to "spy" on someone. If we send our two Blade Runners to test AE and Swaggs, are we sending our two most important players into a trap?

Sounded to me like

Brutal wolf
Anti-Seer
Night killer

Lathum · 07-17-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Wow, two games in a row for DaddyTorgo... I guess he learned his lesson about gloating

lol

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

That's a good point.

But the problem is still what to do tomorrow. If he scans RendeR, and we lynch Render, then he's wasted his night action.

Telle · 07-17-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I'm wondering how the replicants attack/gain knowledge. I gather that Roy Batty can kill whomever he pleases and that Priss learns a person's role, but does Leon have any other ability other than taking out the person who attacks him? What I'm concerned about is that he (and maybe Roy if he chooses not to kill) has the ability to "spy" on someone. If we send our two Blade Runners to test AE and Swaggs, are we sending our two most important players into a trap?

But would the person they scan know that they were scanned and by whom?

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

But the problem is still what to do tomorrow. If he scans RendeR, and we lynch Render, then he's wasted his night action.

This is a risk we'll always have to take, I feel. We don't want Decker coming out in ANY way, I feel.

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

This is a risk we'll always have to take, I feel. We don't want Decker coming out in ANY way, I feel.

Totally agree, that's why I would urge Decker to scan somebody not on our radar.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Totally agree, that's why I would urge Decker to scan somebody not on our radar.

And hope that he gets lucky and take unilateral action? I dunno...

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-17-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Sounded to me like

Brutal wolf
Anti-Seer
Night killer

So only one of them has the ability to scan people? If that's true then finding Tyrell and Sebastian is going to be really tough for them.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

So only one of them has the ability to scan people? If that's true then finding Tyrell and Sebastian is going to be really tough for them.

I agree with both Alan's and JE's analysis.

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

And hope that he gets lucky and take unilateral action? I dunno...

Well what's the scenario where he scans RendeR, and isn't either wasting his night action or revealing himself tomorrow?

If RendeR is bad, he just sits around while we lynch him. If Render is good, he has to out himself, or else sit around while we lynch him.

The only way Render makes sense as a scan target is if he can scan and kill in the same night - which I guess is possible, but pretty unlikely.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Well what's the scenario where he scans RendeR, and isn't either wasting his night action or revealing himself tomorrow?

If RendeR is bad, he just sits around while we lynch him. If Render is good, he has to out himself, or else sit around while we lynch him.

The only way Render makes sense as a scan target is if he can scan and kill in the same night - which I guess is possible, but pretty unlikely.

I'm not convinced at all that we'll lynch Render tomorrow. To me I'm looking at BS, Render, and Swaggs, likely in that order.

bulletsponge · 07-17-2007, 08:51 PM

ok quick question. DT and i were tied, how was it he was choosen to die then? was it a random roll or does someone have a deciding factor?

DaddyTorgo · 07-17-2007, 08:54 PM

fyi that's 3 games in a row i'm dead D1.

Although in this case I think it might have been a good thing. Don't want to say anymore since I'm just a ghost. Good luck villagers!

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

ok quick question. DT and i were tied, how was it he was choosen to die then? was it a random roll or does someone have a deciding factor?

I don't think we know.

path12 · 07-17-2007, 08:57 PM

Didn't DT get to five votes first? Maybe that's the tiebreaker.

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-17-2007, 09:14 PM

I'm curious to see what happens tonight. I don't know what it means that the replicants have to "find" Tyrell and Sebastian as one of the paths to victory. Does Priss have the only ability to find them? And what happens if either Tyrell or Sebastian is killed? What if both are killed? Is that a risk the replicants are willing to take just to kill someone?

Conversely, do the Blade Runners kill tonight instead of testing people? If they kill, we learn if the victims are human or not. If they test, only they know the result and that knowledge could die without the rest of us knowing.

path12 · 07-17-2007, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I'm curious to see what happens tonight. I don't know what it means that the replicants have to "find" Tyrell and Sebastian as one of the paths to victory. Does Priss have the only ability to find them? And what happens if either Tyrell or Sebastian is killed? What if both are killed? Is that a risk the replicants are willing to take just to kill someone?

Conversely, do the Blade Runners kill tonight instead of testing people? If they kill, we learn if the victims are human or not. If they test, only they know the result and that knowledge could die without the rest of us knowing.

That reminds me. Wouldn't there have to be some way to tell what side those sent to Mars belonged to? Most non-reveal games I've been in have some sort of mechanism to determine the allegiance of all lynched or killed players eventually.

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

That reminds me. Wouldn't there have to be some way to tell what side those sent to Mars belonged to? Most non-reveal games I've been in have some sort of mechanism to determine the allegiance of all lynched or killed players eventually.

I've been assuming that there is some mechanism, but we don't know what it is yet. Maybe one of Tyrell or Sebastian gets that info?

Passacaglia · 07-17-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

fyi that's 3 games in a row i'm dead D1.

Although in this case I think it might have been a good thing. Don't want to say anymore since I'm just a ghost. Good luck villagers!

Do you mean 3 games as a villager? Cause that one time you were a wolf, you did not die D1.

RendeR · 07-17-2007, 09:29 PM

OK, first off, wtf did I do to Cronin to piss him off? *tosses a have spent cigar on the ground*

Secondly, I'm not the only person who voted/changed their vote to force a tie. We didn't know how a tie would affect things and finding that out is worthy enough reason for votes on people on DAY 1.

And one final note Cronin, the simplest way for Deckard to not waste his scan on night 1 is to scan someone who might actually BE a replicant. All kidding aside, I was PM-ed human and a boring generic useless no ROLE human at that.

Damn, how did I get so popular all the sudden? I couldn't have done THAT well last game, I DIED.

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

OK, first off, wtf did I do to Cronin to piss him off? *tosses a have spent cigar on the ground*

Secondly, I'm not the only person who voted/changed their vote to force a tie. We didn't know how a tie would affect things and finding that out is worthy enough reason for votes on people on DAY 1.

And one final note Cronin, the simplest way for Deckard to not waste his scan on night 1 is to scan someone who might actually BE a replicant. All kidding aside, I was PM-ed human and a boring generic useless no ROLE human at that.

Damn, how did I get so popular all the sudden? I couldn't have done THAT well last game, I DIED.

I'm just assuming that after your vote switch that you'll get some attention tomorrow. I have no particular feelings about your humanity.

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-17-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

OK, first off, wtf did I do to Cronin to piss him off? *tosses a have spent cigar on the ground*

Secondly, I'm not the only person who voted/changed their vote to force a tie. We didn't know how a tie would affect things and finding that out is worthy enough reason for votes on people on DAY 1.

And one final note Cronin, the simplest way for Deckard to not waste his scan on night 1 is to scan someone who might actually BE a replicant. All kidding aside, I was PM-ed human and a boring generic useless no ROLE human at that.

Damn, how did I get so popular all the sudden? I couldn't have done THAT well last game, I DIED.

Well, that's certainly an interesting response...

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 09:38 PM

Render do you get the logic yet behind the Conventional Wisdom that a villager should try to save himself?

RendeR · 07-17-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Render do you get the logic yet behind the Conventional Wisdom that a villager should try to save himself?

Of course I get the logic, its just these damn morals of mine that TELLE has nurtured for a decade that keep getting in my way!

RendeR · 07-17-2007, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm just assuming that after your vote switch that you'll get some attention tomorrow. I have no particular feelings about your humanity.

You may want to re-read your posts then, because it sure reads like a holy crusade to rid humanity of my person =)

LoneStarGirl · 07-17-2007, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Of course I get the logic, its just these damn morals of mine that TELLE has nurtured for a decade that keep getting in my way!

sure sure, blame it on the woman!

Poli · 07-17-2007, 09:45 PM

Crap, I'm guessing I missed a deadline? Evil NCAA GAME!

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 09:46 PM

Alan T has joined the FOFC-BBCF! woot!

Poli · 07-17-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

DT and ardent were both pretty much MIA all day.

Blame the game, dude. The game. Well, that and work. Got work tomorrow. Believe it or not, in a "secret" animal testing facility in St. Louis. It breaks my heart to hear the dogs in that place. I hate going there. I think I'll be home all day Thursday and Friday, though.

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

Day 1 Final Vote Tally

bulletsponge - 5 Barkeep49, st.cronin, Telle, Chief Rum, RendeR
DaddyTorgo - 5 Jonathan Ezarik, Swaggs, path12, AlanT, bulletsponge
ardent enthusiast - 2 KWhit, Passacaglia
ntndeacon - 1 Lathum
Lathum - 1 ntndeacon
KWhit - 1 twothree
RendeR - 1 LoneStarGirl

Did not vote: DaddyTorgo, ardent enthusiast

Dang, one post and two votes. I am good.

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Agree, and note that ardent and Swaggs were among the first to come out with pm info (still not sure if ardent was talking about a dream or not). My instincts tell me they're both villager.

I think mine was a dream, but I'll admit I barely read it. Tennis this and that. Heck, I had to double check to make sure the humans weren't the bad guys before I posted.

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

This should be interesting. WW doesn't hold a candle to the time I'm goign to spend on NCAA '08. This is going to be a hard game to follow.

Took me forever to figure out when I posted this.

Poli · 07-17-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Alan T has joined the FOFC-BBCF! woot!

Don't hold your breath for me.

Poli · 07-17-2007, 09:59 PM

Just checked, the tennis thing was a dream of mine when I was six or something. Skinned my knee...became a star. Something.

About to hit the hay...later gang.

twothree · 07-17-2007, 10:03 PM

Got back from work. That was an interesting day one.

path12 · 07-17-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Alan T has joined the FOFC-BBCF! woot!

I might once I learn the game a bit more. Which reminds me.......

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Of course I get the logic, its just these damn morals of mine that TELLE has nurtured for a decade that keep getting in my way!

So it's more moral to save the life of a wolf than yourself?

RendeR · 07-17-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

So it's more moral to save the life of a wolf than yourself?

Well for my part, everyone appears to be human; human for human is not a trade I'd make merely for survival's sake, perhaps you know otherwise?

ntndeacon · 07-17-2007, 10:53 PM

I agree with BK. you gotta try to save yourself...especially early on. Now as a consoling factor you can say well at least I was only a normal peon human instead of someone important, but as a strategy that is just awful

Chief Rum · 07-18-2007, 01:42 AM

Not sure yet what to make of things. I will need to see how the night passes and if we find out anything new. Of course, I leave for work before the night deadline, but I only work one job tomorrow. I will be around tomorrow late, probably for the last two hours up to the deadline or so.

I'm still leaning toward bulletsponge, but I am alsotrying to digest the intricacies of yesterday's vote, and particular the moves made by Alan and Render. It might also be a good idea to look at the ones who broke the ties. I think I was even one of those, actually.

07-17-2007, 08:14 PM	#303
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	DT and ardent were both pretty much MIA all day. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-17-2007, 08:16 PM	#305
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	No, I say our seers scan somebody else, and tomorrow we just lynch Render regardless. If Render is bad, good for us. If he's good, why force the seers to out themselves on day 2? __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-17-2007, 08:57 PM	#328
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Didn't DT get to five votes first? Maybe that's the tiebreaker. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-17-2007, 09:29 PM	#333
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	OK, first off, wtf did I do to Cronin to piss him off? tosses a have spent cigar on the ground Secondly, I'm not the only person who voted/changed their vote to force a tie. We didn't know how a tie would affect things and finding that out is worthy enough reason for votes on people on DAY 1. And one final note Cronin, the simplest way for Deckard to not waste his scan on night 1 is to scan someone who might actually BE a replicant. All kidding aside, I was PM-ed human and a boring generic useless no ROLE human at that. Damn, how did I get so popular all the sudden? I couldn't have done THAT well last game, I DIED. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-17-2007, 09:45 PM	#340
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Crap, I'm guessing I missed a deadline? Evil NCAA GAME! __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-17-2007, 08:13 PM	#302
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	So now that we learned absolutely nothing about the vote... What can we tell about it... A) DT was good, Render moved for some weird reason that is unexplainable B) DT was bad, Render moved to save him C) DT was bad, Render moved for some weird reason that is unexplainable I know alot of people suggested to scan Swaggs or ardent tonight, but I'm not so sure that Render wouldn't be a bad scan choice. I have felt his play today was odd all day, but don't necessarily think odd play = wolf all the time though.

07-17-2007, 08:15 PM	#304
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Oh, and if anyone wants to know, in my dream the sun crashed into my apartment and destroyed all my nice new furniture.

07-17-2007, 08:20 PM	#310
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	crap. I'm not used to being on the west coast. I missed deadline hmm? ah well...today was the one day i'll likely be out of touch. The rest of the game should happen during my vacation-vacation

07-17-2007, 08:24 PM	#311
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	Wow, two games in a row for DaddyTorgo... I guess he learned his lesson about gloating

07-17-2007, 08:25 PM	#312
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I'm wondering how the replicants attack/gain knowledge. I gather that Roy Batty can kill whomever he pleases and that Priss learns a person's role, but does Leon have any other ability other than taking out the person who attacks him? What I'm concerned about is that he (and maybe Roy if he chooses not to kill) has the ability to "spy" on someone. If we send our two Blade Runners to test AE and Swaggs, are we sending our two most important players into a trap?

07-17-2007, 08:51 PM	#325
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	ok quick question. DT and i were tied, how was it he was choosen to die then? was it a random roll or does someone have a deciding factor?

07-17-2007, 08:54 PM	#326
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	fyi that's 3 games in a row i'm dead D1. Although in this case I think it might have been a good thing. Don't want to say anymore since I'm just a ghost. Good luck villagers!

07-17-2007, 09:14 PM	#329
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I'm curious to see what happens tonight. I don't know what it means that the replicants have to "find" Tyrell and Sebastian as one of the paths to victory. Does Priss have the only ability to find them? And what happens if either Tyrell or Sebastian is killed? What if both are killed? Is that a risk the replicants are willing to take just to kill someone? Conversely, do the Blade Runners kill tonight instead of testing people? If they kill, we learn if the victims are human or not. If they test, only they know the result and that knowledge could die without the rest of us knowing.

07-17-2007, 09:38 PM	#336
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Render do you get the logic yet behind the Conventional Wisdom that a villager should try to save himself?

07-17-2007, 09:46 PM	#341
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Alan T has joined the FOFC-BBCF! woot! __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-17-2007, 09:59 PM	#344
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Just checked, the tennis thing was a dream of mine when I was six or something. Skinned my knee...became a star. Something. About to hit the hay...later gang. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-17-2007, 10:03 PM	#345
twothree College Prospect Join Date: May 2005	Got back from work. That was an interesting day one.

07-17-2007, 10:53 PM	#349
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I agree with BK. you gotta try to save yourself...especially early on. Now as a consoling factor you can say well at least I was only a normal peon human instead of someone important, but as a strategy that is just awful

07-18-2007, 01:42 AM	#350
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Not sure yet what to make of things. I will need to see how the night passes and if we find out anything new. Of course, I leave for work before the night deadline, but I only work one job tomorrow. I will be around tomorrow late, probably for the last two hours up to the deadline or so. I'm still leaning toward bulletsponge, but I am alsotrying to digest the intricacies of yesterday's vote, and particular the moves made by Alan and Render. It might also be a good idea to look at the ones who broke the ties. I think I was even one of those, actually.

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