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Lathum · 08-08-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I used to always think, as a villager, that somebody gunning for me must be a wolf. But I think that's almost never true, so I look for other evidence first.

yeah, but the fact that he doesn't even make you nervous?

Passacaglia · 08-08-2007, 11:19 AM

Anyway, I don't see much to really make me want to put a vote in for the leading contenders. Looking at post-counts, the single digit club includes Gonzo and JE, and when you count the posts they've made after the game has started, it's 2 each. And while it's only Day 2, the game started Sunday night.

VOTE JONATHAN EZARIK

I'll give Gonzo a little benefit of the doubt since he's new.

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I don't think his stepping up gives us evidence that there is a movie tie in but if one of the scrubs steps it up more that gives us conclusive evidence that it's not. The whole it's easier to prove the negative than the positive.

Agreed - it isn't a lock that it is tied to the movies. I could have gotten lucky on random.org. I'm just as willing to see this theory disproven as proven.

However, Chief could easily have answered "random.org" when the question was posed. He didn't, which makes me think that there is a logic behind the talent. Maybe he just enjoyed watching us guess, but tonight will help move closer to a conclusion one way or another. Assuming, of course, that we are heading in this direction for the "step ups".

st.cronin · 08-08-2007, 11:21 AM

Honestly, I feel completely neutral about DT. If he were hinting at a seer role or something, while gunning for me, that would be completely different. But he's just going by feel/instinct, which is fine.

MikeVic · 08-08-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Honestly, I feel completely neutral about DT. If he were hinting at a seer role or something, while gunning for me, that would be completely different. But he's just going by feel/instinct, which is fine.

I was going by feel/instinct/fact with NTN, and you voted for me at the very beginning of D2! What's up with that? I just don't see how someone who so quickly gave a good strategy could be voted on for D1. Yeah, I'm new to the game and all, but voting for a helper on D1 seems kind of out there.

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 11:33 AM

VOTE ST.CRONIN

I have a hard time believing that he wouldn't even be curious about DT. I think it is to convienient DT was left off his list.

DaddyTorgo · 08-08-2007, 11:41 AM

i stepped up yesterday too don't forget. but i'd be happy to do so again.

st.cronin · 08-08-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I was going by feel/instinct/fact with NTN, and you voted for me at the very beginning of D2! What's up with that? I just don't see how someone who so quickly gave a good strategy could be voted on for D1. Yeah, I'm new to the game and all, but voting for a helper on D1 seems kind of out there.

That's not the way you phrased it yesterday - you said you were "sure" that ntn wasn't a wolf, or at least that's how I remember the substance of it.

Anyway, I'm now more than a little nervous about Lathum.

st.cronin · 08-08-2007, 11:52 AM

I'm probably out for the remainder of the day in a little bit. So I won't be able to move my vote to save myself or change my "step-it-up" policy.

I'll be around probably another 15 minutes or so.

path12 · 08-08-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What does Jack Parkman think about people who can't be around at deadline?

Jack Parkman acknowledges that might be an issue.

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i stepped up yesterday too don't forget. but i'd be happy to do so again.

Thanks for the reminder - even had it in my notes. With that in mind, how about swapping in Lathum (Isuro Tanaka) as the last person?

Barkeep49 · 08-08-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

That's not the way you phrased it yesterday - you said you were "sure" that ntn wasn't a wolf, or at least that's how I remember the substance of it.

Anyway, I'm now more than a little nervous about Lathum.

I have been nervous about Lathum as well.

st.cronin · 08-08-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I have been nervous about Lathum as well.

Care to say more?

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 12:06 PM

really.

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 12:10 PM

Interesting.

DT guns for Cronin for 2 days, yet Cronin leaves him off his "nervous" list.

I call out Cronin on it and vote for him.

Cronin becomes "more nervous" about me, I am assuming it is because I voted for him. Yet DT, who voted for him 2 days in a row doesn't bother him at all.

Very odd.

MikeVic · 08-08-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

That's not the way you phrased it yesterday - you said you were "sure" that ntn wasn't a wolf, or at least that's how I remember the substance of it.

Anyway, I'm now more than a little nervous about Lathum.

I don't think I've ever said that I'm "sure" NTN was a villager. I was just using his offering of strategy at a very early time as an indication that he's good.

I went back and looked at my posts involving my decision to vote... Possts 302, 306, 316, and 327 all mention either Barkeep, NTN, or hoops... and in none of them do I say I'm sure NTN is a villager. I just think he is.

Post 370 was just bragging that I was right NTN was a villager.

DaddyTorgo · 08-08-2007, 12:12 PM

i am less nervous about lathum than others at this point

DaddyTorgo · 08-08-2007, 12:14 PM

well i'm innocent lathum. simple villager. hoping this isn't some beautiful wolf-play by you. operating on the assumption for now that it's not. would love to see cronin lynched and a wolf to prove me right though.

st.cronin · 08-08-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

You make a good point hoops, and I was voting for Barkeep to make sure you don't go. I don't think either you, Barkeep, or NTN are wolves at this point. I have early suspicions about a couple others, but nothing concrete yet.

I might do an unvote and vote for someone else before the current hour is up.

This is the post I'm talking about MikeVic. On day 1, I would not have been willing to say that about ANYBODY.

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

well i'm innocent lathum. simple villager. hoping this isn't some beautiful wolf-play by you. operating on the assumption for now that it's not. would love to see cronin lynched and a wolf to prove me right though.

IMO if Cronin is a wolf then you are likely one as well.

The bolded statement stinks to me. It seems to me you are covering your ass in case cronin is lynched you can come out and say "see!!!, I TOLD you all"

st.cronin · 08-08-2007, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Interesting.

DT guns for Cronin for 2 days, yet Cronin leaves him off his "nervous" list.

I call out Cronin on it and vote for him.

Cronin becomes "more nervous" about me, I am assuming it is because I voted for him. Yet DT, who voted for him 2 days in a row doesn't bother him at all.

Very odd.

Its not odd at all. DT hasn't done anything BUT gun for me, which is useless but doesn't tell me anything about his allegiance. I was nervous about you to start the day, and you dropped the second vote on me ... making me more nervous about you.

Seems perfectly rational from my point of view.

MikeVic · 08-08-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

This is the post I'm talking about MikeVic. On day 1, I would not have been willing to say that about ANYBODY.

I'm saying that at that point, I don't think they are. And that's just based on the helping thing. I still kept my vote on Barkeep because I was more confident that hoops and NTN weren't wolves at that point, and that's because it seemed to me like they were trying to help more.

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Its not odd at all. DT hasn't done anything BUT gun for me, which is useless but doesn't tell me anything about his allegiance. I was nervous about you to start the day, and you dropped the second vote on me ... making me more nervous about you.

Seems perfectly rational from my point of view.

Well you and I play very differently then.

When someone guns for me and I KNOW I am good I assume they aren't and it conserns me at least a little bit.

st.cronin · 08-08-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Well you and I play very differently then.

When someone guns for me and I KNOW I am good I assume they aren't and it conserns me at least a little bit.

......

slightly more nervous

DaddyTorgo · 08-08-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

IMO if Cronin is a wolf then you are likely one as well.

The bolded statement stinks to me. It seems to me you are covering your ass in case cronin is lynched you can come out and say "see!!!, I TOLD you all"

stinks? it might stink late in a game, but on d2 i would have nothing to gain by sacrificing another wolf. particularly one who i've been onto since d1 lathum.

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

stinks? it might stink late in a game, but on d2 i would have nothing to gain by sacrificing another wolf. particularly one who i've been onto since d1 lathum.

not buying it. Wolf vs wolf is much more effective early on in a game since there are more players and less information out there.

IF you got your hand caught in the cookie jar you would have to make a stetement like that. Considering there is really no way you could be "onto" him since day 1 my assesment seems more likely.

Barkeep49 · 08-08-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Care to say more?

His quick second vote on hoops. His stating that people who suspect him are more likely to be wolves when he is good, just to give a couple. He's made me uneasy. But, I should point out, that path made me very uneasy a few games ago and he turned out to be good, so I'm not sure how much value I add here.

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 01:32 PM

My vote on Hoops had been coming since AlanT's game ( hoops hasn't played in a game since) and I changed it when I had to.

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

His stating that people who suspect him are more likely to be wolves when he is good, just to give a couple.

I don't see whats odd about that?

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

My vote on Hoops had been coming since AlanT's game ( hoops hasn't played in a game since) and I changed it when I had to.

Yep, I get that you owe me a lynching for that game which I why I didn't protest your vote yesterday.

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Yep, I get that you owe me a lynching for that game which I why I didn't protest your vote yesterday.

It was more symbolic, I didn't think you would get lynched.

KWhit · 08-08-2007, 02:40 PM

Anybody have a vote count?

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 02:52 PM

man it got quiet.

KWhit, what do you think about the possibility DT and Cronin are wolves playing off each other?

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 02:59 PM

This is what I have for the vote count, as of Post #483:
Cronin - Torgo (401), Lathum (456)
MikeVic - Cronin (377)
Torgo - Path (426)
JE - Pass (452)

KWhit · 08-08-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

man it got quiet.

KWhit, what do you think about the possibility DT and Cronin are wolves playing off each other?

I wouldn't put it past them, but I don't know.

I also am leery of the early vote and then a quote of "if they're a wolf, then you'll see" kind of comments. It's those things that 3-4 days later a wolf can point to to say "see, I told you so" to try to get into a COT.

However, I hesitate to put too much stock in things like that this early. There's usually nothing else to go on, but if you look too closely at every post that could be wolfish, EVERYBODY starts looking like a wolf!

MikeVic · 08-08-2007, 03:09 PM

I still have no idea. KWhit hasn't said or done anything that would make me think he's a wolf right now. And neither has path. I'm not sure it makes sense to me for both DT and cronin to be wolves. I guess I just don't know what to look for.

KWhit · 08-08-2007, 03:10 PM

Did we ever agree on hoops' idea for step it ups tonight? He mentioned that he would step it up along with all of the no-name players.

I'm one of those, and I'm fine with stepping it up tonight. Does everyone else agree? I want to go ahead and send it in before I leave to go home (in about an hour) in case I can't make it back between then and lynch.

Gonzo · 08-08-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I have been nervous about Lathum as well.

Personally, I can't see why anyone would be nervous about Lathum. Doesn't seem particularly suspicious to me. Cronin...however...I'll hold off my vote for now.

path12 · 08-08-2007, 03:14 PM

If DaddyTorgo ends up being a wolf, Jack Parkman will be much more suspicious of Cronin. But Jack Parkman usually finds Cronin hard to read, which should never be taken as a weakness of Jack Parkman but is more convoluted thinking on the part of Cronin.

MikeVic · 08-08-2007, 03:14 PM

I mean KWhit and path haven't said or done anything today to further my suspicions from yesterday.

And I think if no one else has a better plan for step-it-ups today, we should go with hoops' plan.

path12 · 08-08-2007, 03:14 PM

And Jack Parkman is letting some of you scrubs try and step up into the limelight tonight.

Barkeep49 · 08-08-2007, 03:18 PM

Ok I'm going to assume we're going with the hoops plan and am sending in my PM to that effect now.

CR: Can you update the thread title as I know we're having differing lynch times and want to be lazy rather than checking back on the first page

KWhit · 08-08-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Ok I'm going to assume we're going with the hoops plan and am sending in my PM to that effect now.

Me too.

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 03:28 PM

am I supposed to be stepping it up?

DaddyTorgo · 08-08-2007, 03:29 PM

how about the possibility lathum is a wolf trying to hide behind the dust-cloud that i am stirring up?

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

how about the possibility lathum is a wolf trying to hide behind the dust-cloud that i am stirring up?

that makes no sense.

If I was "hiding" I wouldn't say a word, just let you do your thing.

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 03:49 PM

Well, based on the discussion today it is pretty clear that our Seer struck out on Night 1. So time to start working on a voting strategy.

I've also sent in my "step it up" order.

MikeVic · 08-08-2007, 03:53 PM

If a seer found a werewolf, how would the discussion change? Would the seer come forward and claim to be the seer, and say who they found? Is that how it normally works?

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 03:59 PM

Mike, that usually is the drill. They would out the wolf, the wolf would provide some kind of rebuttal, people would try to determine who is telling the truth.

From there, we would likely lynch one of the two involved parties and if we got it wrong the first time would come back around the next day.

If the seer isn't lynched (it happens from time to time) then he would rely on the bodyguard to protect him that night so he can get one more view in the books. We would applaud his effort in catching a wolf and wave good-bye as the wolves would undoubtedly get him the following night - barring unusual bodyguard rules in the game.

DaddyTorgo · 08-08-2007, 04:00 PM

i find your play intresting lathum. you're voting with me, yet arguing against me.

08-08-2007, 11:21 AM	#454
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Honestly, I feel completely neutral about DT. If he were hinting at a seer role or something, while gunning for me, that would be completely different. But he's just going by feel/instinct, which is fine. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

08-08-2007, 11:52 AM	#459
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I'm probably out for the remainder of the day in a little bit. So I won't be able to move my vote to save myself or change my "step-it-up" policy. I'll be around probably another 15 minutes or so. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

08-08-2007, 03:14 PM	#489
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	If DaddyTorgo ends up being a wolf, Jack Parkman will be much more suspicious of Cronin. But Jack Parkman usually finds Cronin hard to read, which should never be taken as a weakness of Jack Parkman but is more convoluted thinking on the part of Cronin. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-08-2007, 03:14 PM	#491
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	And Jack Parkman is letting some of you scrubs try and step up into the limelight tonight. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-08-2007, 11:19 AM	#452
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Anyway, I don't see much to really make me want to put a vote in for the leading contenders. Looking at post-counts, the single digit club includes Gonzo and JE, and when you count the posts they've made after the game has started, it's 2 each. And while it's only Day 2, the game started Sunday night. VOTE JONATHAN EZARIK I'll give Gonzo a little benefit of the doubt since he's new.

08-08-2007, 11:33 AM	#456
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	VOTE ST.CRONIN I have a hard time believing that he wouldn't even be curious about DT. I think it is to convienient DT was left off his list.

08-08-2007, 11:41 AM	#457
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i stepped up yesterday too don't forget. but i'd be happy to do so again.

08-08-2007, 12:06 PM	#464
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	really.

08-08-2007, 12:10 PM	#465
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Interesting. DT guns for Cronin for 2 days, yet Cronin leaves him off his "nervous" list. I call out Cronin on it and vote for him. Cronin becomes "more nervous" about me, I am assuming it is because I voted for him. Yet DT, who voted for him 2 days in a row doesn't bother him at all. Very odd.

08-08-2007, 12:12 PM	#467
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i am less nervous about lathum than others at this point

08-08-2007, 12:14 PM	#468
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	well i'm innocent lathum. simple villager. hoping this isn't some beautiful wolf-play by you. operating on the assumption for now that it's not. would love to see cronin lynched and a wolf to prove me right though.

08-08-2007, 01:32 PM	#478
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	My vote on Hoops had been coming since AlanT's game ( hoops hasn't played in a game since) and I changed it when I had to.

08-08-2007, 02:40 PM	#482
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Anybody have a vote count?

08-08-2007, 02:52 PM	#483
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	man it got quiet. KWhit, what do you think about the possibility DT and Cronin are wolves playing off each other?

08-08-2007, 02:59 PM	#484
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	This is what I have for the vote count, as of Post #483: Cronin - Torgo (401), Lathum (456) MikeVic - Cronin (377) Torgo - Path (426) JE - Pass (452)

08-08-2007, 03:09 PM	#486
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I still have no idea. KWhit hasn't said or done anything that would make me think he's a wolf right now. And neither has path. I'm not sure it makes sense to me for both DT and cronin to be wolves. I guess I just don't know what to look for.

08-08-2007, 03:10 PM	#487
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Did we ever agree on hoops' idea for step it ups tonight? He mentioned that he would step it up along with all of the no-name players. I'm one of those, and I'm fine with stepping it up tonight. Does everyone else agree? I want to go ahead and send it in before I leave to go home (in about an hour) in case I can't make it back between then and lynch.

08-08-2007, 03:14 PM	#490
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I mean KWhit and path haven't said or done anything today to further my suspicions from yesterday. And I think if no one else has a better plan for step-it-ups today, we should go with hoops' plan.

08-08-2007, 03:18 PM	#492
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Ok I'm going to assume we're going with the hoops plan and am sending in my PM to that effect now. CR: Can you update the thread title as I know we're having differing lynch times and want to be lazy rather than checking back on the first page

08-08-2007, 03:28 PM	#494
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	am I supposed to be stepping it up?

08-08-2007, 03:29 PM	#495
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	how about the possibility lathum is a wolf trying to hide behind the dust-cloud that i am stirring up?

08-08-2007, 03:49 PM	#497
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Well, based on the discussion today it is pretty clear that our Seer struck out on Night 1. So time to start working on a voting strategy. I've also sent in my "step it up" order.

08-08-2007, 03:53 PM	#498
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	If a seer found a werewolf, how would the discussion change? Would the seer come forward and claim to be the seer, and say who they found? Is that how it normally works?

08-08-2007, 03:59 PM	#499
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Mike, that usually is the drill. They would out the wolf, the wolf would provide some kind of rebuttal, people would try to determine who is telling the truth. From there, we would likely lynch one of the two involved parties and if we got it wrong the first time would come back around the next day. If the seer isn't lynched (it happens from time to time) then he would rely on the bodyguard to protect him that night so he can get one more view in the books. We would applaud his effort in catching a wolf and wave good-bye as the wolves would undoubtedly get him the following night - barring unusual bodyguard rules in the game.

08-08-2007, 04:00 PM	#500
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i find your play intresting lathum. you're voting with me, yet arguing against me.

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