College Football Week 5 - UNC might be roasted

[DeToxRox]

Money trail ties agent, ex-UNC coach - College Football - Rivals.com

"Asst coach taking money from agent to steer players would be most devastating NCAA case in years. UNC football may be in huge trouble"- Dan Wetzel

"North Carolina is about to really become a basketball school -- because it may not have a football program after this." - Sports Illustrated's Andy Staples

"Yahoo story pounds some very detailed nails into North Carolina's football coffin." - ESPN's Pat Forde

"Asst coach taking money from agent to steer players would be most devastating NCAA case in years. UNC football may be in huge trouble"- Dan Wetzel

"Where is this UNC case headed? I will quote the venerable Gene Smith:"It always falls back on the institution.' Reggie Bush wasn't a USC employee. John Blake was asst. head coach on payroll -- and allegedly on the take. Risking jrs and seniors at UNC need to start looking at transfer ops. major sanctions mean no sitting out."- Dennis Dodd, CBS

"It's not unheard of for coaches to serve as runners. It is unheard of for them to get caught. If thats UNC, then it makes case significant." - Andy Staples

"The fact that Blake is acknowledging & talking aboutt getting $ from an agent w SoS is devastating for UNC's athletic admins. On. The. Record."- Synergy Sports Representation

The following receipt was for a nine-day stay by University of North Carolina defensive tackle Marvin Austin in July of 2009. The stay was prior to the start of his junior season, and the receipt was authenticated for Yahoo! Sports by a hotel employee. It was paid on an American Express. Austin’s name is listed above the name of Pro Tect Management, the agency owned by prominent NFL agent Gary Wichard. The bill also lists a Los Angeles address and Marriott Rewards linked to Fadde Mikhail, a marketing agent who also represents two Pro Tect clients – cornerback Antonio Cromartie and running back C.J. Spiller..



This is going to end up worse then USC imo.

[k0ruptr]

Something doesn't look right about that receipt. I don't know what it is and can't place it, but it just seems so...fake. It's probably not, but who knows. Says it was authenticated though. hmm

[BishopMVP]

Should be a fun game tonight. I don't know if either A&M or Okie State are for real, but they can both score points.

ps- ESPN needs to upgrade their infrastucture. ABC is showing BC/ND up here - which I understand - but it means Stanford/Oregon is relegated to SD only on ESPN2. Anyone know if bars can get both in HD, or are they stuck with the reverse mirror issue as well?

[stevew]

Originally Posted by k0ruptr

Something doesn't look right about that receipt. I don't know what it is and can't place it

The fact that he paid 14.99 for porno was pretty lame ass. Who pays for that shit?

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by stevew

The fact that he paid 14.99 for porno was pretty lame ass. Who pays for that shit?

When someone else is paying...

[Noop]

I guess Clemson, NC State and perhaps Virgina Tech benefit the most from this since North Carolina will be open season for prospects.

[Logan]

I already consider Rutgers to be 3-0.

[Karlifornia]

Please, please beat the Ducks.

[SirFozzie]

UNC is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccked. This could be SMU level death penalty stuff.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

UNC is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccked. This could be SMU level death penalty stuff.

Agreed. UNC is the perfect candidate - a BCS conference school, successful but not too successful, can be used as the new ultimate warning shot across the bow for the rest of college football.

[molson]

At least now that the NCAA is on the Reggie Bush timing schedule, North Carolina doesn't have to concern itself with consequences until around 2015.

And I haven't followed the N.C. stuff very closely, but they're going to need to show a lot more than a crooked assistant coach to get the death penalty, let alone any super-serious penalty. I think there would have be institutional issues thaat can't possibly be solved without drastic measures. The SMU stuff was really ridiculous - the athletic department paying kids to come there when school was already on serious probation for starters.

[molson]

Dola-

It is kind of cute though that the NCAA is trying to stay relevant. The solution to all of this has been obivious to me for years - 1A football needs to be de-regulated. Pay the playerss, let the agents to their thing, all out in the open. These are not scholar-athletes and to continue to pretend they are is just silly.

This could happen if the inevitable BCS super-mega-conference splits from the NCAA. Everyone else can join the 1-AA. Everybody wins.

[SirFozzie]

molson:

Improper benefits from an agent's representative.

Tutor writing papers for players (a tutor who also worked as the coach's nanny)

(13 players were suspended or held out due to the above issues)

And now, an assistant coach on an agent's payroll (so much so that the agent's company issued a credit card for the coach)?

the only thing that's missing from this situation is a Mike Leach or Rich Rodriguez type thing.. right now, I'd say it's a complete lack of institutional control.

[MJ4H]

Anyone watching this game? Pretty entertaining.

[fpres]

Yeah. I'm actually surprised A&M is in this one. I guess it was hard to really size them up given the quality of their opposition in Weeks 1-3.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by molson

At least now that the NCAA is on the Reggie Bush timing schedule, North Carolina doesn't have to concern itself with consequences until around 2015.

And I haven't followed the N.C. stuff very closely, but they're going to need to show a lot more than a crooked assistant coach to get the death penalty, let alone any super-serious penalty. I think there would have be institutional issues thaat can't possibly be solved without drastic measures. The SMU stuff was really ridiculous - the athletic department paying kids to come there when school was already on serious probation for starters.

If the stuff that's come out so far is true they'll get hit harder than USC. An assistant coach on an agent's payroll is far worse than anything USC got nailed for. Add to that the tutor doing papers for players in exchange for sex and that tutor was also a tutor for Davis' son and things get interesting.

I seriously doubt the death penalty is a realistic option right now, but it's still really early in the investigation so you never know what could turn up. Lack of institutional control is a given though.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by molson

Dola-

It is kind of cute though that the NCAA is trying to stay relevant. The solution to all of this has been obivious to me for years - 1A football needs to be de-regulated. Pay the playerss, let the agents to their thing, all out in the open. These are not scholar-athletes and to continue to pretend they are is just silly.

This could happen if the inevitable BCS super-mega-conference splits from the NCAA. Everyone else can join the 1-AA. Everybody wins.

Where will the money come from? Most D1 schools, even a lot of the big boys support the athletic department through general fund subsidies. How will D1 schools balance the athletic budget if you're suddenly paying 80+ football players?

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Where will the money come from? Most D1 schools, even a lot of the big boys support the athletic department through general fund subsidies. How will D1 schools balance the athletic budget if you're suddenly paying 80+ football players?

Most can't. Football revenues (and to a lesser extent basketball revenues) pay for all the other sports. Pay football players, and what you effectively do is kill scholarship sports for everything that isn't football and basketball (and you know damn well that baskeball players will insist on getting paid too).

This argument is a non-starter.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Atocep

If the stuff that's come out so far is true they'll get hit harder than USC. An assistant coach on an agent's payroll is far worse than anything USC got nailed for. Add to that the tutor doing papers for players in exchange for sex and that tutor was also a tutor for Davis' son and things get interesting.

I seriously doubt the death penalty is a realistic option right now, but it's still really early in the investigation so you never know what could turn up. Lack of institutional control is a given though.

How much more room is there for penalties beyond what USC got that isn't effectively a death penalty?

[molson]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Where will the money come from? Most D1 schools, even a lot of the big boys support the athletic department through general fund subsidies. How will D1 schools balance the athletic budget if you're suddenly paying 80+ football players?

You don't have to pay everyone, you pay the guys that you feel are worth it, the guys you feel the need to outbid others for, the guys that they're paying now already. Most of all, you don't hinder any player's professional relationships, any more you than you wouldn't tell a computer nerd he couldn't talk to Silicon Valley.

But it's true, in an open market like that they will have to pay more and other sports will "suffer". I'm not sure why it's fair though, to ask Reggie Bush to earn millions for USC to spend on women's gymnastics anyway, so I don't think that's a big problem.

The ins and outs of Title IX are an interesting problem, but if the big-time football players are moved from the fraudulent "scholar-athlete" designation and really just become entertainment-themed professional employees of the school, there could be some interesting legal battles.

[molson]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Most can't. Football revenues (and to a lesser extent basketball revenues) pay for all the other sports. Pay football players, and what you effectively do is kill scholarship sports for everything that isn't football and basketball (and you know damn well that baskeball players will insist on getting paid too).

Scholarships, probably, but plenty of good schools have athletic programs without the dirty money of the professional football teams these big universities own. If we have to go to the bad ole days of scholar-athletes in many of those other sports, I don't think that's a terrible thing.

[SirFozzie]

it's not going to be scholar-athletes, it's going to be NO athletes. As things stand right now, schools are cutting programs willy nilly, Cal is cutting baseball out, for example.

[JPhillips]

Wouldn't a better solution be a minor league for professional football that could draft anyone over 18? Neither of our ideas will ever happen, but doesn't this support players and also largely get agents out of colleges.

I know there are a lot of details to work out, but I'd also support agents paying players so long as any payment meant a forfeiture of all scholarship funds. If an agent wants to pay an 18 year old kid 100,000, so be it, but the school, especially public funded schools, shouldn't also have to pay for the kid.

[molson]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Wouldn't a better solution be a minor league for professional football that could draft anyone over 18? Neither of our ideas will ever happen, but doesn't this support players and also largely get agents out of colleges.

I know there are a lot of details to work out, but I'd also support agents paying players so long as any payment meant a forfeiture of all scholarship funds. If an agent wants to pay an 18 year old kid 100,000, so be it, but the school, especially public funded schools, shouldn't also have to pay for the kid.

That's a good solution too, but there's just so much money in the brands that that the big colleges in the U.S. have created. I forget which FOFC Euro poster once posted how strange it all seemed to him, it was very insightful whoever it was. Big-time college sports is a really unique U.S. thing. Texas Longhorns football is an incredibly stronger financial brand than the "Austin Bullfrogs" or whatever minor league team could replace it - even if the talent on the Bullfrogs was actually far superior. We have a HUGE connection to these colleges and there's just tons of dollars to be made from that.

And ya, if we let agents throw money at kids, absolutely the public schools can't be footing the bill for the education. They shouldn't be footing it now, honestly, for these "students" that have no interest in learning anything.

[cartman]

That was a great college football game.

[fpres]

Originally Posted by cartman

That was a great college football game.

8 interceptions in the past 2 games for Jerrod Johnson. He needs to figure things out or else the Aggies are going to have a rough Big 12 campaign.

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by fpres

8 interceptions in the past 2 games for Jerrod Johnson. He needs to figure things out or else the Aggies are going to have a rough Big 12 campaign.

Jerrod Johnson plays like I do in NCAA 11. It's either long completions or picks.

[MacroGuru]

BYU is playing like shit and deserves to lose this game....

I am going to hang my head in shame...

[Buccaneer]

Just being a BYU fan should be shame enough.

[Ksyrup]

Between this and last week, FSU's win at home is looking less and less impressive. 10 points allowed at home might be 10 too many, the way BYU are playing.

[MacroGuru]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Between this and last week, FSU's win at home is looking less and less impressive. 10 points allowed at home might be 10 too many, the way BYU are playing.

I will say this miss...Nevada is better than people give them credit for...

FSU we screwed up big time...

Tonight....We are being beat up...its looking like a MASH unit on our defense...

[dawgfan]

Washington losing to BYU is looking worse and worse each week...

I'd love to think that the Huskies could pull off the upset again against the Trojans, but that's probably too much to expect. We haven't won on the road since...(checks College Football Database)...November of 2007.

[stevew]

When tutors write papers it has to stick out like a sore thumb. A ton of these guys function on probably a 6th grade level. Do the tutors intentionally dumb down the work?

[tarcone]

Homecoming! Beat State!

[tarcone]

Look for Iowa RB Marcus Coker to shine.

[Young Drachma]

At least BYU is getting this season out of their system before they go independent. Man.

[Matthean]

Kind of interesting to think there are four games worth watching more then the Red River Shootout. At least for me there is.

MSU vs. Wisconsin
PSU vs. Iowa
Stanford vs. Oregon
'Bama vs. Florida

EDIT: Had one game wrong.

[MJ4H]

I like the sign at GameDay that says

Mom I'm all ducked up on quack

[Buccaneer]

Go Stanford. My son has been looking forward to College Football Gameday all week and got up early this morning to get ready. I told him about one of my favorite teams, the 1970 Stanford Indians with Jim Plunkett.

[larrymcg421]

Seantrel Henderson looking really good for the Canes today.

Miami up 7-0 after pushing Clemson DL all over the field and then scoring on a hurry up play that caught Clemson off guard and left Hankerson wide open.

[larrymcg421]

And after looking so great on that TD drive, Miami has just looked awful.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

And after looking so great on that TD drive, Miami has just looked awful.

I swear Miami looks like a legitimate top 5 team for a game here, a quarter there, a drive every now and then. I don't know if the lack of consistency is the coaching or just having boom or bust players - can't really use the youth excuse anymore.

EDIT - And there goes Jacory Harris lobbying for it being the players.

btw - Illinois giving Ohio State a game. Up 10-7 and outgaining OSU near halftime.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

I swear Miami looks like a legitimate top 5 team for a game here, a quarter there, a drive every now and then. I don't know if the lack of consistency is the coaching or just having boom or bust players - can't really use the youth excuse anymore.

EDIT - And there goes Jacory Harris lobbying for it being the players.

btw - Illinois giving Ohio State a game. Up 10-7 and outgaining OSU near halftime.

I think part of it is coaching. I'm still not convinced that Randy Shannon is a very good gameday coach, despite how much I like him as a person and for what he's done with the program overall. The other problem is Jacory. Dude has a ton of talent, but I keep waiting for him to break this impatient INT habit. I'm not sure it's ever going to happen at this point.

[larrymcg421]

Fuck fuck fuck.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

The other problem is Jacory. Dude has a ton of talent, but I keep waiting for him to break this impatient INT habit. I'm not sure it's ever going to happen at this point.

I posted this in the other thread, but I'm wondering your take as a Miami fan. I love Whipple and his pro sets but I feel like he has too many vertical routes (especially off play-action). I feel like they should be getting Jacory into space on rollouts and have multiple crossing/drag routes on different levels. But it might just be that those are there in the play call and Jacory always chooses to throw deep into double coverage.

Also, what do you think of Leonard Hankerson's pro prospects? I never see him mentioned on these draft reports as a top WR prospect, but he's clearly got size and appears to have the speed to get deep.

[Lathum]

Terrel Pryor goes down and is in the locker room and OSU's offense proceeds to set football back 50 years.

[Lathum]

Reading this thread you would think Miami is down 2 scores instead of up 2 scores.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

I posted this in the other thread, but I'm wondering your take as a Miami fan. I love Whipple and his pro sets but I feel like he has too many vertical routes (especially off play-action). I feel like they should be getting Jacory into space on rollouts and have multiple crossing/drag routes on different levels. But it might just be that those are there in the play call and Jacory always chooses to throw deep into double coverage.

Maybe, but Jacory throws his share of INT's on short routes as well. Examples being the one in the end zone today and that awful one when they were coming back against Ohio State. I'm worried about his ability to read defenses. Jacory doesn't like to run and that is pretty clear by now, although he is not quite a statue and could get alot of value out of his mobility.

Also, what do you think of Leonard Hankerson's pro prospects? I never see him mentioned on these draft reports as a top WR prospect, but he's clearly got size and appears to have the speed to get deep.

I think the Canes have multiple pro prospects at WR (which is probably why Whipple is calling so many vertical routes), but yeah Hankerson is the best. With his size and hands, I don't see why he won't go in the 1st unless his 40 time is super slow.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Reading this thread you would think Miami is down 2 scores instead of up 2 scores.

Well when I posted "Miami looks awful", they were down 14-7 and "Fuck fuck fuck" was when they had a 20-14 lead and Jacory was intercepted in the end zone. Clemson had a major mistake right before the half and the Canes scored with 30 seconds left to go up by two scores.

[Lathum]

ahh, makes more sense