Mixed Martial Arts Thread (UFC and others) - Page 69

BishopMVP · 12-13-2015, 12:46 AM

(Until they take it down) https://embed.gyazo.com/5f4017ccd155...3666c263ce.gif

I feel like an 18 year old virgin in Las Vegas... just spent $60 for 13 seconds and it was totally worth it!

BishopMVP · 12-13-2015, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Thought that was going to be stopped.

Yeah. Herb Dean was on point with his positioning, and I liked that he let it go, but Weidman's camp could not have complained if that was stopped late 3rd. Impressive as hell Weidman even made it that far into the 4th. And fwiw, he doesn't have the swagger McGregor does, but Rockhold was just as much a dick in his interview.

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Live I didn't see the hit on Aldo, saw McGregor's head snap back and saw Aldo go down... thought wtf???

Yeah, I half thought it was a slip until seeing Aldo not getting up... Even in that replay, Aldo looks like he ROCKS McGregor and he was already out on his feet. Just pure gravity and momentum.

PilotMan · 12-23-2015, 06:30 PM

RIP Emanuel Yarbrough

PilotMan · 01-02-2016, 11:28 PM

Bullshit finish. Just a fucking bullshit finish. Close match but in no way did Lawler win 3 rounds.

Calis · 01-03-2016, 10:20 AM

I was pretty surprised by decision but I don't think it was as bad as some folks do. I'd love to see some changes from the current style of scoring.

Lawyer clearly won the 2nd and 5th and Condit clearly won the 1st and 4th so it all comes down to the 3rd where it was a quantity vs quality debate.

Great fight though, really like both of those guys but seems like judges might be overcompensating now for the times Jackson fighters were winning by just working the points.

thesloppy · 01-03-2016, 11:10 AM

I think Condit wins that fight if the belt's not in the building, but it's somewhat accepted traditionally that the belt gets you a round in pocket and you have to beat someone definitively to get the judges to take the belt off a champion. I don't disagree with that line of thinking enough to consider it a real robbery, even though I personally scored it for Condit.

I also think that the fans/crowd can get swayed by subtle biases in the broadcast and unofficial scores/stats that might not be as obvious or meaningful to the judges (for better or worse, depending on the fight/context/). As active as Condit was, Lawler was the man moving forward for most of the fight, which is something that judges often weigh heavier than fans or commentators, and could be argued as a hidden factor in why this fight was scored closer than it may have appeared.

PilotMan · 01-03-2016, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy

I think Condit wins that fight if the belt's not in the building, but it's somewhat accepted traditionally that the belt gets you a round in pocket and you have to beat someone definitively to get the judges to take the belt off a champion. I don't disagree with that line of thinking enough to consider it a real robbery, even though I personally scored it for Condit.

I also think that the fans/crowd can get swayed by subtle biases in the broadcast and unofficial scores/stats that might not be as obvious or meaningful to the judges (for better or worse, depending on the fight/context/). As active as Condit was, Lawler was the man moving forward for most of the fight, which is something that judges often weigh heavier than fans or commentators, and could be argued as a hidden factor in why this fight was scored closer than it may have appeared.

I disagree that it should be accepted the the belt gets you the round in case of ties. I shouldn't be like that. The crowd may have been a factor, and while Lawler may have been moving forward at the beginning of the rounds, it was Condit who was pressing the action, keeping the distance, controlling the range of the fight, keeping Lawler off balance. If a couple of wild haymakers can win the round over a round where the majority of it was being spent on the backfoot and waiting for the counter I agree, scoring is in need of some change.

Lawler is being rewarded for being a counter puncher here. He wasn't bringing the fight for sure. Condit controlled the flow. I did have it 48-47 Condit, as did the majority of fans. He knew he needed to take Condit out in the 5th in order to win. He didn't, and yet somehow, he won.

PilotMan · 01-03-2016, 12:01 PM

In other news, One FC just banned weight cutting by dehydration and moved all their champions up one weight class. You have to wonder if that is something that might be coming at some point.

thesloppy · 01-03-2016, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

I disagree that it should be accepted the the belt gets you the round in case of ties. I shouldn't be like that. The crowd may have been a factor, and while Lawler may have been moving forward at the beginning of the rounds, it was Condit who was pressing the action, keeping the distance, controlling the range of the fight, keeping Lawler off balance. If a couple of wild haymakers can win the round over a round where the majority of it was being spent on the backfoot and waiting for the counter I agree, scoring is in need of some change.

Lawler is being rewarded for being a counter puncher here. He wasn't bringing the fight for sure. Condit controlled the flow. I did have it 48-47 Condit, as did the majority of fans. He knew he needed to take Condit out in the 5th in order to win. He didn't, and yet somehow, he won.

Yeah, like I said I scored it for Condit so I don't really disagree with you, other than to say I don't feel like Condit was robbed, but that doesn't mean I agree with the decision. And as much as I say I like judges to tend towards the belt, I'm only thinking in terms of the crappy judging as it exists today....I'd rather crappy decisions generally tend toward the champ than toward repeated upsets, but I'd definitely prefer to just have better judging.

I do like the idea of stopping people from cutting weight, which just seems like a ridiculous counter-productive process that completely drains your body right before a fight, but I've got no experience in the wrestling/boxing/fighting culture.

PilotMan · 01-10-2016, 08:09 AM

Finally getting caught up on some Bellator from December. Check out this finish from one of the undercard fights. It's quite graphic and one of the more vividly gruesome finishes that I can remember.

PilotMan · 01-17-2016, 09:01 PM

Incredibly stacked free card tonight on FS1.

EagleFan · 01-17-2016, 10:31 PM

So far this Pettis/Alvarez fight is not what I was expecting.

PilotMan · 01-17-2016, 10:51 PM

That was a good win for Alvarez. Executed a good plan and was able to keep Pettis from dominating at range with big kicks.

PilotMan · 01-17-2016, 11:25 PM

This fight brings new meaning to the phrase "If you want to be the man, you gotta beat the man." In this case you've got a champ who has never lost his title against a guy who has twice knocked out the guy who was #1 in his absence. Between the two, Cruz is the man you have to beat, even though he isn't the champ right now.

PilotMan · 01-17-2016, 11:37 PM

Feels like Dillashaw did just enough, but he clearly lost 2 and 3. It all comes down to rd 1. I had Dillashaw winning 4 and 5.

PilotMan · 01-17-2016, 11:41 PM

Good ending. Still gotta beat the man.

PilotMan · 01-25-2016, 08:48 PM

Another heavyweight title fight down the drain. I was actually looking forward to Miocic and Werdum after Cain went down, but now? Now, the historically good card is down to Hendricks vs. Wonderboy and nobody else. Check please!

bhlloy · 01-25-2016, 09:39 PM

Yeah, big yawn now. I don't know what the UFC can do to prevent these kinds of scenarios, but it's killing their brand. Another card I was excited to get and now won't bother

Flasch186 · 01-27-2016, 04:09 AM

It's going to be free on fs1, I'll get that.

molson · 02-19-2016, 07:14 PM

Weird Bellator show tonight. The Shamrock/Gracie UFC 1 rematch, and Kimbo Slice v. "DADA 3000" (?). Kurt Angle is there again and I'm terrified he's going to challenge the winner of one of these fights in some scripted in-cage segment. There's a lot of speculation that the Kimbo fight could be fixed because there was a ton of late betting money going on DADA 3000, pushing the fight to a pick 'em before it was taken off most of the Vegas books. And of course, there's lots of people who believe that every Shamrock fight is fixed. So this could end up being closer to pro wrestling. And yet, (or probably because of that), I'm intrigued.

PilotMan · 02-19-2016, 08:11 PM

It's the perfect card to DVR. Nothing about it matters, but you still feel compelled to see it.

IlliniCub · 02-19-2016, 10:34 PM

What an entertaining show so far. We've had drunk Tyson on commentary. Followed up by what might be the worst yet most entertainingly funny fight of all time. Kimbo and Dada....just wow

Suicane75 · 02-19-2016, 10:49 PM

I can't decide whether the Sunny porn or that fight was the funniest, sad thing I've ever seen.

cartman · 02-19-2016, 10:52 PM

I knew I should have driven over to H-Town to see this.

IlliniCub · 02-19-2016, 11:01 PM

Well just when you think it can't get worse the night mercifully ends with one 50 year old man giving another a groin shot.

murrayyyyy · 02-19-2016, 11:12 PM

I feel no shame in my kimbo/Gracie parlay excluding the fact that I watched both the fights.

thesloppy · 02-20-2016, 03:05 AM

GOTdamn that card was HOTT. I still feel like it could be argued that somehow went better than I expected. Shamrock asking the ref "..AND WHERE WERE YOU?!?" as the dude was raising Gracie's arm in triumph was high comedy.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-20-2016, 03:45 PM

Dada 5000 in stable condition after loss to Kimbo Slice

Honestly, this is the kind of card that makes me seriously wonder why Bellator is even still in business ... or whether they even should be.

thesloppy · 02-20-2016, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Dada 5000 in stable condition after loss to Kimbo Slice

Honestly, this is the kind of card that makes me seriously wonder why Bellator is even still in business ... or whether they even should be.

Yeah, I dunno who foots the bills for Bellator, but the days of Bjorn Rebney's Eastern European Circus are looking positively stellar upon reflection & comparison. Scott Coker seems like a good enough dude, and he's put some good stuff on paper, but even his good ideas somehow go ridiculously sour, and his bad ideas end up even worse.

BYU 14 · 02-20-2016, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Dada 5000 in stable condition after loss to Kimbo Slice

Honestly, this is the kind of card that makes me seriously wonder why Bellator is even still in business ... or whether they even should be.

You know the real shame is they have some legitimately talented fighters on the roster that they need to start focusing on instead of these bullshit carnival attractions and senior tour bouts.

It really does boggle the mind that they don't understand that people will only tune in for this shit for so long before the novelty wears off. Sanchez V Pineda was a helluva fight that saved this card and was main event worthy, along with the brutal stoppage of Guillard by Campos.

Shamrock and Gracie are the Godfathers of modern MMA, now bow out gracefully, you have both earned it. They need to throw Slice in with a legit MMA heavyweight, let him get his ass handed to him and quit trying to milk him for every fucking penny they can get from his name.

murrayyyyy · 02-20-2016, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Dada 5000 in stable condition after loss to Kimbo Slice

Honestly, this is the kind of card that makes me seriously wonder why Bellator is even still in business ... or whether they even should be.

Supposedly he had been sick the entire week so I think that didn't help things while trying to cut weight. The other half is knowing it would be his only chance to get paid as if he pulled out they wouldn't have set this fight up again.

BYU 14 · 02-20-2016, 06:38 PM

So just read Dada's heart actually stopped after the fight, severely high potassium levels due to weight cut, which led to renal failure.

Weight cutting is such a dangerous undertaking, though he was obviously way out of shape to begin with, which just made it worse.

I have mentioned it before, but there should be mandatory limits on how much you can cut for each weight class and if he was 40 pounds overweight so close to the fight, the fight should have never happened.

Carman Bulldog · 02-20-2016, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14

So just read Dada's heart actually stopped after the fight, severely high potassium levels due to weight cut, which led to renal failure.

Weight cutting is such a dangerous undertaking, though he was obviously way out of shape to begin with, which just made it worse.

I have mentioned it before, but there should be mandatory limits on how much you can cut for each weight class and if he was 40 pounds overweight so close to the fight, the fight should have never happened.

They should just scrap weight cutting all together. Have a few periodic weigh-ins during fight week including a final weigh in a few hours before the fight, your walking around weight is your fighting weight.

I'm honestly not sure why they do it. I think it's an old wrestling /boxing ritual but I don't think it adds anything to MMA and only serves to endanger the athletes.

PilotMan · 02-22-2016, 09:52 AM

Finally got home so I could watch it and comment.

So...

Like I've said before, that fucking garden gnome isn't worth shit as an MMA head. I still was interested to see how all this went down, but Bellator and Dream II isn't a thing. It's more like Elite XC II.

He's done some things right by beating out WSOF for the UFC cast offs, and creating some good storylines. He's got a legit top 5 guys at 205 in McGreary. Old Bellator had some good talent too, but he's still going to fuck it up.

The Slice fight was like Jimmy said, he's the last one standing and I'm not sure that's a good thing. It was funny though, and I think it cost both guys all amounts of credibility.

Guillard and Newton should probably call it a career.

Very disappointing ending to the ME. I've constantly railed against refs. IMO, there are only about 3-4 refs worth anything and they are Big John, Herb, and Mario. The rest are horribly inconsistent. I mean, they can call the easy fights just fine, but then horribly blow many others. Yves Lavinge might be the worst. The guys they had tonight were sub-par at best, and it cost them in the ME.

Weight cutting is a serious business. There's clearly a right way and a wrong way to do it. I brought it up earlier when One FC declared it illegal and moved all their champions up a weight class. You have to know that it still might make it's way here. Or, there's going to need to be strong oversight over the entire process for each fighter.

molson · 02-23-2016, 12:09 AM

2 million viewers for Bellator. That's the 3rd-highest MMA cable audience in the last 5 years, trailing only McGregor/Siver and Cruz/Dillashaw on Fox Sports 1. The last UFC Fight Night show on Fox Sports 1 (not including Sunday, whose rating isn't out yet), got 1.37 million viewers, and that was considered a really good number, since it was the 5th highest they ever got for a Fight Night show on that network.

So, we're going to see more of these. What the hell do you do with Kimbo Slice? He's legitimately one of the best MMA cable TV draws of all-time, going back to EliteXC and his UFC stint. He just happens to be a terrible MMA fighter. I guess he's kind of what Bob Sapp is in Japan. I bet Kurt Angle could beat him. Bobby Lashley would destroy him. Maybe they bring in Akebono.

thesloppy · 02-23-2016, 02:47 AM

It's not my imagination that Kimbo can barely fucking walk, right? It takes him like 10 minutes to limp up to the cage during the walk in.

Suicane75 · 02-23-2016, 07:16 AM

While I agree that weight cutting is an issue that should be looked at, 99% of these guys have a history and a knowledge of weight cutting. I think the bigger issue in this case is that Dadda is not an athlete and he's not a trained fighter, and whatever oversight committee or commission that allowed him to cut 40 fucking pounds in however many weeks it was, should be ashamed of themselves. This was a glorified tough man contest, only worse because they had to make weight.

All that being said, as long as they keep putting freak shows out there, I'll watch, cause I aint their daddy.

murrayyyyy · 02-23-2016, 08:44 AM

Dos anjos just pulled out of the McGregor fight. Not a good couple of weeks for mma

molson · 02-23-2016, 08:50 AM

McGregor-Diaz and McGregor-Cerrone apparently being discussed.

As is McGregor demanding that this be for an interim title

murrayyyyy · 02-23-2016, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

McGregor-Diaz and McGregor-Cerrone apparently being discussed.

As is McGregor demanding that this be for an interim title

If cerrone is still close to weight I guess it's a good sub but they should say screw it and go full WWE and give Diaz the fight. Slow time in sports right now so they could get plenty of tv time for both to shoot their mouth off.

molson · 02-23-2016, 11:42 AM

Cerrone is actively campaigning for the spot, even though he just fought at Welterweight on Sunday and would have a big weight cut. But that's what he does.

Ariel Helwani reported that the UFC offered the spot to Aldo but he turned it down.

PilotMan · 02-24-2016, 06:48 AM

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If cerrone is still close to weight I guess it's a good sub but they should say screw it and go full WWE and give Diaz the fight. Slow time in sports right now so they could get plenty of tv time for both to shoot their mouth off.

WINNER!

Diaz/McGregor at 170lbs.

Here's how this is going to go down. Striking battle. Insane amounts of smack. A lot of standing and jawing, both guys are counter strikers and like to sit back and wait. I see it coming down to whether or not Connor can handle the power of Diaz. He's going to need to play like Little Mac and use his speed to win here.

Connor is the better PFP fighter, but how will that translate at 170 lbs? We don't often get the chance to see these guys so far out of their weight class so that alone makes this interesting. Diaz isn't a world class fighter. McGregor probably is. Diaz is used to having the speed advantage, but he won't here. He's also gotten frustrated in fights where he isn't the faster guy in the cage.

Look for McGregor to take this one on points and make Diaz look awful the entire way.

Galaril · 03-04-2016, 04:06 PM

McGregor already getting in Diaz's head man I am looking forward to this card.
http://youtu.be/nPdvwJqY4Wk

EagleFan · 03-04-2016, 08:51 PM

Will be the first time that I want to see McGregor win and win big.

EagleFan · 03-05-2016, 08:35 PM

Looking forward to this card.

EagleFan · 03-05-2016, 09:21 PM

Shevchenko did nothing in round one. Nunes was peppering that lead leg with kicks but too wild on the head kick attempts and everyone in the arena saw them coming.

EagleFan · 03-05-2016, 09:27 PM

Second round could have easily been 10-8. Shevchenko's only chance is for a finish.

EagleFan · 03-05-2016, 09:33 PM

Shevchenko won that third round but she really needed to pressure more. It seems she slowed down just looking for an opening during the last 2 minutes when she needed to go after it.

EagleFan · 03-05-2016, 09:36 PM

Good to see the decision was about as expected, two judges giving Nunes a 10-8 second round for the 29-27 decision (one 29-28).

EagleFan · 03-05-2016, 10:03 PM

First round to Lawlor. Second round could go either way.

12-23-2015, 06:30 PM	#3403
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01-02-2016, 11:28 PM	#3404
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Bullshit finish. Just a fucking bullshit finish. Close match but in no way did Lawler win 3 rounds. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

01-03-2016, 11:10 AM	#3406
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	I think Condit wins that fight if the belt's not in the building, but it's somewhat accepted traditionally that the belt gets you a round in pocket and you have to beat someone definitively to get the judges to take the belt off a champion. I don't disagree with that line of thinking enough to consider it a real robbery, even though I personally scored it for Condit. I also think that the fans/crowd can get swayed by subtle biases in the broadcast and unofficial scores/stats that might not be as obvious or meaningful to the judges (for better or worse, depending on the fight/context/). As active as Condit was, Lawler was the man moving forward for most of the fight, which is something that judges often weigh heavier than fans or commentators, and could be argued as a hidden factor in why this fight was scored closer than it may have appeared. __________________ Last edited by thesloppy : Today at 05:35 PM.

01-03-2016, 12:01 PM	#3408
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	In other news, One FC just banned weight cutting by dehydration and moved all their champions up one weight class. You have to wonder if that is something that might be coming at some point. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

01-10-2016, 08:09 AM	#3410
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Finally getting caught up on some Bellator from December. Check out this finish from one of the undercard fights. It's quite graphic and one of the more vividly gruesome finishes that I can remember. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

12-13-2015, 12:46 AM	#3401
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	(Until they take it down) https://embed.gyazo.com/5f4017ccd155...3666c263ce.gif I feel like an 18 year old virgin in Las Vegas... just spent $60 for 13 seconds and it was totally worth it!

01-03-2016, 10:20 AM	#3405
Calis College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas	I was pretty surprised by decision but I don't think it was as bad as some folks do. I'd love to see some changes from the current style of scoring. Lawyer clearly won the 2nd and 5th and Condit clearly won the 1st and 4th so it all comes down to the 3rd where it was a quantity vs quality debate. Great fight though, really like both of those guys but seems like judges might be overcompensating now for the times Jackson fighters were winning by just working the points.

01-17-2016, 09:01 PM	#3411
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Incredibly stacked free card tonight on FS1. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

01-17-2016, 10:31 PM	#3412
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01-17-2016, 10:51 PM	#3413
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	That was a good win for Alvarez. Executed a good plan and was able to keep Pettis from dominating at range with big kicks. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

01-17-2016, 11:25 PM	#3414
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	This fight brings new meaning to the phrase "If you want to be the man, you gotta beat the man." In this case you've got a champ who has never lost his title against a guy who has twice knocked out the guy who was #1 in his absence. Between the two, Cruz is the man you have to beat, even though he isn't the champ right now. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

01-17-2016, 11:37 PM	#3415
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Feels like Dillashaw did just enough, but he clearly lost 2 and 3. It all comes down to rd 1. I had Dillashaw winning 4 and 5. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

01-17-2016, 11:41 PM	#3416
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Good ending. Still gotta beat the man. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

01-25-2016, 08:48 PM	#3417
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Another heavyweight title fight down the drain. I was actually looking forward to Miocic and Werdum after Cain went down, but now? Now, the historically good card is down to Hendricks vs. Wonderboy and nobody else. Check please! __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

01-25-2016, 09:39 PM	#3418
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Yeah, big yawn now. I don't know what the UFC can do to prevent these kinds of scenarios, but it's killing their brand. Another card I was excited to get and now won't bother

01-27-2016, 04:09 AM	#3419
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02-19-2016, 07:14 PM	#3420
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Weird Bellator show tonight. The Shamrock/Gracie UFC 1 rematch, and Kimbo Slice v. "DADA 3000" (?). Kurt Angle is there again and I'm terrified he's going to challenge the winner of one of these fights in some scripted in-cage segment. There's a lot of speculation that the Kimbo fight could be fixed because there was a ton of late betting money going on DADA 3000, pushing the fight to a pick 'em before it was taken off most of the Vegas books. And of course, there's lots of people who believe that every Shamrock fight is fixed. So this could end up being closer to pro wrestling. And yet, (or probably because of that), I'm intrigued. Last edited by molson : 02-19-2016 at 07:21 PM.

02-19-2016, 08:11 PM	#3421
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	It's the perfect card to DVR. Nothing about it matters, but you still feel compelled to see it. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

02-19-2016, 10:34 PM	#3422
IlliniCub High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2012	What an entertaining show so far. We've had drunk Tyson on commentary. Followed up by what might be the worst yet most entertainingly funny fight of all time. Kimbo and Dada....just wow

02-19-2016, 10:49 PM	#3423
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	I can't decide whether the Sunny porn or that fight was the funniest, sad thing I've ever seen.

02-19-2016, 10:52 PM	#3424
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	I knew I should have driven over to H-Town to see this. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

02-19-2016, 11:01 PM	#3425
IlliniCub High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2012	Well just when you think it can't get worse the night mercifully ends with one 50 year old man giving another a groin shot.

02-19-2016, 11:12 PM	#3426
murrayyyyy College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Las Vegas	I feel no shame in my kimbo/Gracie parlay excluding the fact that I watched both the fights.

02-20-2016, 03:05 AM	#3427
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	GOTdamn that card was HOTT. I still feel like it could be argued that somehow went better than I expected. Shamrock asking the ref "..AND WHERE WERE YOU?!?" as the dude was raising Gracie's arm in triumph was high comedy. __________________ Last edited by thesloppy : Today at 05:35 PM.

02-20-2016, 03:45 PM	#3428
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Dada 5000 in stable condition after loss to Kimbo Slice Honestly, this is the kind of card that makes me seriously wonder why Bellator is even still in business ... or whether they even should be. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

02-20-2016, 06:38 PM	#3432
BYU 14 Coordinator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The scorched Desert	So just read Dada's heart actually stopped after the fight, severely high potassium levels due to weight cut, which led to renal failure. Weight cutting is such a dangerous undertaking, though he was obviously way out of shape to begin with, which just made it worse. I have mentioned it before, but there should be mandatory limits on how much you can cut for each weight class and if he was 40 pounds overweight so close to the fight, the fight should have never happened.

02-22-2016, 09:52 AM	#3434
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Finally got home so I could watch it and comment. So... Like I've said before, that fucking garden gnome isn't worth shit as an MMA head. I still was interested to see how all this went down, but Bellator and Dream II isn't a thing. It's more like Elite XC II. He's done some things right by beating out WSOF for the UFC cast offs, and creating some good storylines. He's got a legit top 5 guys at 205 in McGreary. Old Bellator had some good talent too, but he's still going to fuck it up. The Slice fight was like Jimmy said, he's the last one standing and I'm not sure that's a good thing. It was funny though, and I think it cost both guys all amounts of credibility. Guillard and Newton should probably call it a career. Very disappointing ending to the ME. I've constantly railed against refs. IMO, there are only about 3-4 refs worth anything and they are Big John, Herb, and Mario. The rest are horribly inconsistent. I mean, they can call the easy fights just fine, but then horribly blow many others. Yves Lavinge might be the worst. The guys they had tonight were sub-par at best, and it cost them in the ME. Weight cutting is a serious business. There's clearly a right way and a wrong way to do it. I brought it up earlier when One FC declared it illegal and moved all their champions up a weight class. You have to know that it still might make it's way here. Or, there's going to need to be strong oversight over the entire process for each fighter. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

02-23-2016, 12:09 AM	#3435
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	2 million viewers for Bellator. That's the 3rd-highest MMA cable audience in the last 5 years, trailing only McGregor/Siver and Cruz/Dillashaw on Fox Sports 1. The last UFC Fight Night show on Fox Sports 1 (not including Sunday, whose rating isn't out yet), got 1.37 million viewers, and that was considered a really good number, since it was the 5th highest they ever got for a Fight Night show on that network. So, we're going to see more of these. What the hell do you do with Kimbo Slice? He's legitimately one of the best MMA cable TV draws of all-time, going back to EliteXC and his UFC stint. He just happens to be a terrible MMA fighter. I guess he's kind of what Bob Sapp is in Japan. I bet Kurt Angle could beat him. Bobby Lashley would destroy him. Maybe they bring in Akebono. Last edited by molson : 02-23-2016 at 12:10 AM.

02-23-2016, 02:47 AM	#3436
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	It's not my imagination that Kimbo can barely fucking walk, right? It takes him like 10 minutes to limp up to the cage during the walk in. __________________ Last edited by thesloppy : Today at 05:35 PM.

02-23-2016, 07:16 AM	#3437
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	While I agree that weight cutting is an issue that should be looked at, 99% of these guys have a history and a knowledge of weight cutting. I think the bigger issue in this case is that Dadda is not an athlete and he's not a trained fighter, and whatever oversight committee or commission that allowed him to cut 40 fucking pounds in however many weeks it was, should be ashamed of themselves. This was a glorified tough man contest, only worse because they had to make weight. All that being said, as long as they keep putting freak shows out there, I'll watch, cause I aint their daddy.

02-23-2016, 08:44 AM	#3438
murrayyyyy College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Las Vegas	Dos anjos just pulled out of the McGregor fight. Not a good couple of weeks for mma

02-23-2016, 08:50 AM	#3439
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	McGregor-Diaz and McGregor-Cerrone apparently being discussed. As is McGregor demanding that this be for an interim title

02-23-2016, 11:42 AM	#3441
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Cerrone is actively campaigning for the spot, even though he just fought at Welterweight on Sunday and would have a big weight cut. But that's what he does. Ariel Helwani reported that the UFC offered the spot to Aldo but he turned it down. Last edited by molson : 02-23-2016 at 11:44 AM.

03-04-2016, 04:06 PM	#3443
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	McGregor already getting in Diaz's head man I am looking forward to this card. http://youtu.be/nPdvwJqY4Wk Last edited by Galaril : 03-04-2016 at 04:07 PM.

03-04-2016, 08:51 PM	#3444
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Will be the first time that I want to see McGregor win and win big. __________________ The EagleFan YouTube Channel - Reactions Soarin' & Scratchin' YouTube Channel - We react to music, videos, TV, we talk, we are planning some field trips Soarin' & Soothin' - Meditation, Relaxation, and Sleep Aid; mental health is important