WW CXLIV: Monty Python and the Holy Werewolf: GAME OVER (Result in Post 414)

[Danny]

Well, that doesn't hurt too much I guess, but disappointing still.

[Danny]

For what it's worth though, I think this makes it more likely Autumn is lying. His and Jackal's role seem like the two most likely not in the game.

[Autumn]

Here's what I'm hoping: that Chief is not a bad guy, as they would be laughing their asses off at us right now; that there is a seer; and that they scan Chief as it would be counterproductive to go after him again I think. If it turns out in the end that Danny and Chief are wolves, that would be pretty impressive on their part.

[Danny]

Only three unconfirmed villager roles now. Sir Galadad, seer and Autumn's claimed role. Since I still feel certain there is a seer, there is probably at best a 50% chance Autumn's role is in the game (as both may not be). I am liking an Autumn vote now if he wasnt scanned.

[Autumn]

I don't think there's really any reason for me to pretend to be Herbert. It's not any better an assertion than being a vanilla villager, has no use to the village, cannot be proven. I wasn't even in the lead - I actually thought it was just better for people to know that they weren't going to catch an important role by accident.

[JAG]

You hearts heavy with the death of a comrade (well, to some of you), you set up camp outside of a castle. In the middle of the night, you hear the sound of an enormous wooden rabbit being flung through the air and landing on the ground with a crash. The next morning, you find the rabbit crushed Danny as he slept. At least he died in his sleep peacefully. Above you, the clouds rip open and you see an enormous face looking down on you with displeasure.

Danny was part of an autonomous collective.

Day 3 now begins.

[bhlloy]

Well, there we go. We are not doing very well here are we

[Danny]

Good luck village

[Autumn]

Well, it just backs up why from the beginning I've suspected that either the Galahad trio or the seer is not in the game.

[Autumn]

Here's hoping the seer is! We need some help.

[Coffee Warlord]

Hmm. Danny, huh. Not a bad choice, but I woulda gone with Chief Rum, if he isn't a wolf.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Danny

Good luck village

[Autumn]

That at least makes me feel good that Danny wasn't a wolf trying to save a wolf Chief. Now, could be that some of us who moved were wolves, taking advantage, but seems less likely.

[Coffee Warlord]

Without looking at the votes yet, I'm suspecting we saved one villager and offed another. That last second rapid action vote change doesn't feel all that wolf driven.

[Autumn]

Day Two

jackal votes ntn
1
danny votes jackal
1-1
autumn votes chief
1-1-1
darth votes chief
2-1-1
coffee votes danny
2-1-1-1
zinto votes autumn
2-1-1-1-1
mauboy votes autumn
2-2-1-1-1
henry votes chief
3-2-1-1-1
ntn votes chief
4-2-1-1-1
chief votes autumn
4-3-1-1-1
bhlloy votes chief
5-3-1-1-1
zinto unvotes autumn
5-2-1-1-1
zinto votes jackal
5-2-2-1-1
danny unvotes jackal
5-2-1-1-1
danny votes autumn
5-3-1-1-1
autumn unvotes chief
4-3-1-1-1
autumn votes jackal
4-3-2-1-1
danny unvotes autumn
4-2-2-1-1
danny votes jackal
4-3-2-1-1
bhlloy unvotes chief
3-3-2-1-1
bllloy votes jackal
4-3-2-1-1
coffee unvotes danny
4-3-2-1
coffee votes jackal
5-3-2-1
henry unvotes chief
5-2-2-1
henry votes jackal
6-2-2-1

[Coffee Warlord]

Day 1, with known villager votes removed.

6 mckerney: ntndeacon (77), henry296 (97), Zinto (106), mauboy1 (114), Coffee Warlord (117)
4 Chief Rum: Darth Vilus (82) Autumn (99)
2 CrimsonFox: bhlloy (70) Chief Rum (88)
1 ntndeacon:

That puts 5 unaccounted for on McKerney, a known, and 2 on Chief Rum, an unknown.

[Coffee Warlord]

IF, for a moment, we take Autumn at face value, that leaves DV on an island on Chief Rum.

Which, if we're assuming Chief is also kosher, makes things interesting. Actually, regardless, I find it hard to believe there wouldn't be at least one wolf on the second place vote getter.

And to edit again, because it's fun to do it in a WW game, I'm forgetting there are most likely only 2 wolves. But the point is still mostly valid.

[Autumn]

Day One

jackal votes mckerney
1
zinto votes jackal
1-1
CW votes CF
1-1-1
CF votes chief
1-1-1-1
autumn votes bhlloy
1-1-1-1-1
bhlloy votes cf
2-1-1-1-1
ntn votes mckerney
2-2-1-1-1
mckerney votes ntn
2-2-1-1-1-1
darth votes chief rum
2-2-2-1-1-1
chief votes cF
3-2-2-1-1-1
danny votes jackal
3-2-2-2-1-1
henry votes mckerney
3-3-2-2-1-1
autumn unvotes bhlloy
3-3-2-2-1
autumn votes chief
3-3-3-2-1
zinto unvotes jackal
3-3-3-1-1
zinto votes mckerney
4-3-3-1-1
danny unvotes jackal
4-3-3-1
danny votes chief
4-4-3-1
mauboy votes mckerney
5-4-3-1
coffee unvotes cf
5-4-2-1
coffee votes mckerney
6-4-2-1

[henry296]

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about the seer now since I'm fairly confident Galahad is in the game. Which probably means either Autmn fake revelaed or no seer.

[JAG]

Also, let me know what you'd like to do about weekend play. I know it's usually dead here then, but I will be probably be around if you want me to run something for Saturday or Sunday at 10pm EST.

[Autumn]

I think I will be pretty much absent this weekend. Well, it depends on some work things, but probably absent until Monday.

[Chief Rum]

I see you all realized that with how much I stink in life, I can only smell worse in death.

That said, I really wish we would have had a wolf killed somewhere in there.

[Darth Vilus]

AT least Robin didn't count towards villagers for a win condition. That was the best non wolf vote out there i guess

And we only lost a peasant in Danny, coulda been a worse day

[Darth Vilus]

Though it could have been a hell of a lot better one too

[Darth Vilus]

I've got a couple people I'd like to see up tomorrow, just gonna go back and look through some stuff. I'll still probably vote Rum though

[CrimsonFox]

I bet you're gay!

[CrimsonFox]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JACKAL! This must be why they lynched you!

[Coffee Warlord]

As far as weekends go, it's a crapshoot for me. I'd prefer going on hold.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Day One

jackal votes mckerney
1
zinto votes jackal
1-1
CW votes CF
1-1-1
CF votes chief
1-1-1-1
autumn votes bhlloy
1-1-1-1-1
bhlloy votes cf
2-1-1-1-1
ntn votes mckerney
2-2-1-1-1
mckerney votes ntn
2-2-1-1-1-1
darth votes chief rum
2-2-2-1-1-1
chief votes cF
3-2-2-1-1-1
danny votes jackal
3-2-2-2-1-1
henry votes mckerney
3-3-2-2-1-1
autumn unvotes bhlloy
3-3-2-2-1
autumn votes chief
3-3-3-2-1
zinto unvotes jackal
3-3-3-1-1
zinto votes mckerney
4-3-3-1-1
danny unvotes jackal
4-3-3-1
danny votes chief
4-4-3-1
mauboy votes mckerney
5-4-3-1
coffee unvotes cf
5-4-2-1
coffee votes mckerney
6-4-2-1

Day One voting analysis:

Going through the voting from early to late ... Zinto and CW's early votes are neutral. I think this is actaully a point in my favor, as when I voted there were 3-4 villagers available to piggyback on but I added another candidate. Bhlloy and NTN make the first second votes, on villagers. This could be of interest if Chief proved to be bad. Bhlloy might just be making a self defense vote though.

Darth hast he second vote on Chief, agian wiht lots of candidates, so important to know if Chief is bad. Henry's vote on mckerney makes sense to me, too early to put CF ahead, but still helping consolidate. He chose Mckerney over Chief though, another key point. I put Chief into a tie with the two others, rather than put CF or Mckerney ahead, I think another point in my favor given those were two villagers. Zinto, Mauboy and CW all move to Mckerney rather than Chief, Danny votes Chief.

Basically not much to gather there without knowing about Chief. Next I'll take a look at Day 2

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Day Two

jackal votes ntn
1
danny votes jackal
1-1
autumn votes chief
1-1-1
darth votes chief
2-1-1
coffee votes danny
2-1-1-1
zinto votes autumn
2-1-1-1-1
mauboy votes autumn
2-2-1-1-1
henry votes chief
3-2-1-1-1
ntn votes chief
4-2-1-1-1
chief votes autumn
4-3-1-1-1
bhlloy votes chief
5-3-1-1-1
zinto unvotes autumn
5-2-1-1-1
zinto votes jackal
5-2-2-1-1
danny unvotes jackal
5-2-1-1-1
danny votes autumn
5-3-1-1-1
autumn unvotes chief
4-3-1-1-1
autumn votes jackal
4-3-2-1-1
danny unvotes autumn
4-2-2-1-1
danny votes jackal
4-3-2-1-1
bhlloy unvotes chief
3-3-2-1-1
bllloy votes jackal
4-3-2-1-1
coffee unvotes danny
4-3-2-1
coffee votes jackal
5-3-2-1
henry unvotes chief
5-2-2-1
henry votes jackal
6-2-2-1

Day 2 analysis.

Kind of a mess early on. When Zinto votes me, we have 5 candidates, two are known villagers. Chief gets up to 5 votes, and I get up to 3 with Chief's self-defense vote, before anyone votes another known villager. I can see more now Danny's point about Jackal, as he seemed a safe target for wolves this whole time. This makes me actually feel good about Chief, as it has the look of a villager runoff.

If Chief was bad, then my early vote, followed by Darth's and Henry's votes look good, piled on later by NTN and Bhlloy. Coffee, Zinto and Mauboy go elsewhere with votes when Chief takes an early lead. Zinto then begins the late move to Jackal. If Chief is bad, those who seemed reluctant to move to him late include Zinto, Danny of course, and Coffee.

If Chief is good then we're just not going to learn much from these two days. I know I'm good, and in addition think the voting record looks pretty good for me. I think we're going to have to either go after Chief, or look at posts.

[Coffee Warlord]

Just got out of a meeting, but I'm thinking the best move is to look between DV, CR, and Autumn.

As noted in my post last night, those are the 3 unaccounted for specimens from the 2nd place day 1 voting block.

If Chief is good, I would say there's a high chance either DV or Autumn is a wolf.

If Chief is a wolf, that opens up a bigger can of worms than I have time to get into right this second, BUT I think that would actually greatly clear DV and Autumn. With, as I'm assuming, only two wolves to begin the game, I would find it unlikely that 1 wolf is voting for another.

[bhlloy]

I think I like Autumn the best out of the three. I'm pretty solid on CR being villager after Danny showed up good, and I haven't seen too many Wolfe signs out of DV

Henry and mauboy are playing interesting games to me. I could see there being a wolf in there somewhere as well. Henry's last minute pointless vote yesterday pings the hell out of me, a wolf doing what he's told and getting the timing all wrong or just a villager trying to make his vote meaningful

[bhlloy]

I'm actually going to start here. He's skated so far without a vote I believe and want to hear more about his game so far

Vote henry

[Autumn]

My biggest question mark about Chief, is Danny dying last night. With that last minute movement, Danny and Chief would have been suspect today. Did Danny get killed to make Chief look better? That's one paranoid theory. I've tried reading back through people's posts and nothing is jumping out at me yet.

I've got to go for a bit, I've got family showing up. I"ll try to dig again later this afternoon or see if anyone else dug anythingup.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Autumn

My biggest question mark about Chief, is Danny dying last night. With that last minute movement, Danny and Chief would have been suspect today. Did Danny get killed to make Chief look better? That's one paranoid theory. I've tried reading back through people's posts and nothing is jumping out at me yet.

I've got to go for a bit, I've got family showing up. I"ll try to dig again later this afternoon or see if anyone else dug anythingup.

That s a definite possibility, although I do wonder whether it would have been possible for the wolves to talk that over and get the order out in those last 5-10 mins of chaos. I think it's more likely that CR is villager and Danny was killed for being Danny

[JAG]

Day 3 voting as of post 335:


Wait for it....


1 henry296 - bhlloy (333)

[bhlloy]

Cool, I win the game

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Cool, I win the game

[Autumn]

Well, I'm not having as much time as I thought I would have, with our visitors. For the moment I'm going to put a vote out on the only guy I've got, just in case I can't get back here. I hope to though.

vote chief rum

[Coffee Warlord]

Seeing as I'd like to go drinking tonight, it's time for me to put down a vote.

I'm gonna stick with my theory of CR being good. Which leads me to my earlier assumption that DV or Autumn is not. I can argue either way with Autumn, but I'm remembering that Danny was sort of bagging on Autumn yesterday. And guess who dies? Danny. Sounds like an easy way for the wolves to try and drum up suspicion on an innocent.

Leaving me with this shot in the almost but not quite fully dark:

Vote Darth Vilus

[Chief Rum]

I don't know if I will be available later, so I will put in a vote now.

Now that CW has put in a vote on DV, it seems like a wise spot for me to put mine, since he has been pinging me with his leaps to my guilt. He has been either among the first voters on me or the first to say he suspects me each day, and since I am a villager, I find this tunnel vision rather suspicious.

VOTE DARTH VILUS

[Darth Vilus]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I don't know if I will be available later, so I will put in a vote now.

Now that CW has put in a vote on DV, it seems like a wise spot for me to put mine, since he has been pinging me with his leaps to my guilt. He has been either among the first voters on me or the first to say he suspects me each day, and since I am a villager, I find this tunnel vision rather suspicious.

VOTE DARTH VILUS

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Seeing as I'd like to go drinking tonight, it's time for me to put down a vote.

I'm gonna stick with my theory of CR being good. Which leads me to my earlier assumption that DV or Autumn is not. I can argue either way with Autumn, but I'm remembering that Danny was sort of bagging on Autumn yesterday. And guess who dies? Danny. Sounds like an easy way for the wolves to try and drum up suspicion on an innocent.

Leaving me with this shot in the almost but not quite fully dark:

Vote Darth Vilus

Haha this is too funny, I was actually gonna bring up Coffee as a candidate today, and I've been after Chief for 2 days already. I honestly have no clue on Autumn, havent got the read of him yet. I forgot the differences between his villager play and his wolf play

[Darth Vilus]

Vote Chief Rum

If people are thinking about me and Chief then this is the best way to go. Lemme explain

[Darth Vilus]

If Chief comes up a wolf then you can pretty much see that I'm a peasant, what wolf would vote for one of his brothers 3 days in a row?

If he comes up good then admittedly it looks pretty bad for me, but then at least alot of the confusion will be gone

[Darth Vilus]

Oh and for my case, wold a wolf really harp on one player so much? Or would they try to bury their votes in with the masses and try to go undetected?

I just think that eliminating Chief will clear up alot of this confusion we all have.

[Darth Vilus]

My browser will be open but I'll only check back from time to time because i am a little busy today. If anyoe wants to discuss options i'll be here. And I should be around near deadline as well

[Zinto]

Well I still want to vote for Autumn but I am afraid to get blinders on. I'm willing to talk about other candidates I just need to go back and reread everything.

[JAG]

Day 3 voting as of post 347:
2 Chief Rum - Autumn (339), Darth Vilus (343)
2 Darth Vilus - Coffee Warlord (340), Chief Rum (341)
1 henry296 - bhlloy (333)

[Zinto]

Before I do so I have to wonder if Autumn is not a wolf why haven't any jump on him since he probably is an easy vote if he is a villager at this point. That alone makes me want to vote for him.

[Autumn]

I think the answer there is that I'm not an easy vote. If no one's voted me, why would a wolf? There are three candidates, and I don't presume we're lucky enough to have two wolves in there. I actually think my record is pretty good, so I don't think I'm a great candidate for villagers or wolves.