WW CXLIV: Monty Python and the Holy Werewolf: GAME OVER (Result in Post 414) - Page 9

mauchow · 02-24-2012, 09:46 PM

There are three of us - and counting CW is dingo, that's four votes, and my switch vote, we basically have five votes against two at this point.

bhlloy · 02-24-2012, 09:47 PM

my reasons for wanting to scan CW, if anyone is interested is that somebody said that he'd been way more vocal after a couple people said he was on their trust list. And I went back and looked at it and that did seem to be the case. So I thought I'd follow that line of thinking. But then I got a bigger ping from you.

Coffee Warlord · 02-24-2012, 09:47 PM

Yes, because by some amazing coincidence, you scanned DV day 1, a guy that was lynched Day 2, and someone who hasn't had a shred of interest on him day 3 (which, oh, was supposed to be me at first).

I think not.

bhlloy · 02-24-2012, 09:48 PM

oh, well if that's true then that really fricking sucks

so if game over JAG can call it and put us out of our misery?

Coffee Warlord · 02-24-2012, 09:48 PM

Oh. So there really are three wolves, mau?

Coffee Warlord · 02-24-2012, 09:48 PM

If so, yeah, you're all fucked.

bhlloy · 02-24-2012, 09:48 PM

lol. typical I make my only great read ever in WW and still lose

bhlloy · 02-24-2012, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Yes, because by some amazing coincidence, you scanned DV day 1, a guy that was lynched Day 2, and someone who hasn't had a shred of interest on him day 3 (which, oh, was supposed to be me at first).

I think not.

yeah, doesn't sound like it matters though

mauchow · 02-24-2012, 09:49 PM

Yeah, there are three wolves now after you hit on your first night.

Coffee Warlord · 02-24-2012, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

yeah, doesn't sound like it matters though

I wasn't sure till after I posted and saw mau confirm the 2nd wolf I didn't know about.

Yeah, I'm Dingo, and got amazingly lucky day 1. Converted on the first hit.

mauchow · 02-24-2012, 09:51 PM

Great job thought CW coming out like that. We had an order to NK you tonight but switched later on. Still probbaly would have come out on top but it certainly made things easier today.

Coffee Warlord · 02-24-2012, 09:52 PM

Heh. I ALMOST fake revealed yesterday to draw out the seer, but I figured I could stand waiting one more day.

JAG · 02-24-2012, 09:52 PM

Alrighty, no reason to drag this out...

JAG · 02-24-2012, 09:53 PM

Mass confusion fills the group. Two people stand up and claim to be Sir Bedevere amidst much shouting. Eventually the one named Coffee Warlord appears to have the most support and bhlloy is showered with rocks until he lays lifeless on the ground. Unfortunately (for the two left on the side of good), you realize now this was the true Sir Bedevere you have killed.

Then Autumn, who you only now realize is Sir Galahad, steps up to henry296 and says, "Nice try, but your sister was quicker." With a single blow, he puts his sword through Zoot's heart. mauboy1 laughs with a ridiculous French accent and ntndeacon runs over to Darth Vilus yelling, "Ni! Ni!" until he can take no more.

The forces of Evil have triumphed! Game over!

bhlloy · 02-24-2012, 09:54 PM

I am so pissed right now. At least this didn't get dragged out all weekend

Coffee Warlord · 02-24-2012, 09:55 PM

NTN, huh. I was close. I had it between him and henry, actually, but I was leaning towards henry.

In case you didn't know, mauboy, you were the wolf I knew about from the start.

bhlloy · 02-24-2012, 09:55 PM

great game wolves

mauchow · 02-24-2012, 09:56 PM

Not sure how well we do if it's just me and ntn for a few nights before a convert.

Coffee Warlord · 02-24-2012, 09:56 PM

We got horribly, horribly lucky.

And it was unfortunate Autumn, a common early target for, well, everything, was Galahad. After that, it was basically a cakewalk.

mauchow · 02-24-2012, 09:59 PM

Yep, I was semi surprised Zinto didn't put an order in to change up the lynch but... that's the toughest job to have, especially at this point

Coffee Warlord · 02-24-2012, 10:01 PM

However, I find I must say this.

SPANK ME, AUTUMN. SPANK ME LONG AND HARD.

bhlloy · 02-24-2012, 10:01 PM

If he didn't have a read on anyone (and I don't see why he would at that point) it's a pointless exercise.

JAG · 02-24-2012, 10:02 PM

Thanks to everyone for playing. Not the best effort from the village in my opinion, but so it goes. Some notes:

1. Autumn must've had a good tip-off post that he was Galahad, as both henry and CW scanned him night 1. CW was quicker by 15 minutes, so they got the conversion instead of both being taken out of the game.

2. Even though it was indicated to Autumn in the conversion PM that CW was Dingo, he must have missed or forgotten that information. The other wolves didn't know who CW was and he ended up being their second choice for a kill night 2 and the primary choice for a kill night three before mau switched things up and suggested Zinto instead, believing he might be the seer (instead, he just had some good reads).

3. Autumn was correct that I threw that tidbit he highlighted in the rules because I was contemplating a seerless game when the total people that had signed up was 11 (9v, 2w or maybe 8v 1n 2w). After a couple more joined, I went with almost the exact configuration Danny put out day 1. I thought it was pretty well-balanced, but the wolves got off to a fantastic start with the killing of the BG and getting their conversion N1 and basically never looked back.

Coffee Warlord · 02-24-2012, 10:05 PM

Jesus, you guys never knew who I was? I had actually asked JAG, once I successfully converted, if Autumn knew. He told me so, so I'd been playing under the assumption the wolves were in on the fun at that point.

Hell, THAT puts a whole new spin on things. I seriously was reading into Autumn's posts for subtle hints on who is okay to vote for (since I only knew one of the two original wolves), and I actually thought he was subtly urging me to reveal as seer. Which, I had planned to do anyway.

mauchow · 02-24-2012, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

I thought it was pretty well-balanced, but the wolves got off to a fantastic start with the killing of the BG and getting their conversion N1 and basically never looked back.

And now you must die, too! Sorry.

Jag Dead

mauchow · 02-24-2012, 10:09 PM

Wow, yeah, that's a big miss on Autumn's part. He even said at one point he wasn't completely with it for a bit. HEheh.

bhlloy · 02-24-2012, 10:36 PM

I thought the village played very poorly. We fell into the trap we always do of getting a couple of candidates for no good reason and voting them over and over again. I'm definitely guilty of that, I voted CR all 3 days at one point I think (although day 3 was to try and protect DV who I knew was good)

Wolves got lucky with the day 1 conversion but still, there was no heat on them at all. I don't think we even had a single vote on one of them the whole game. Very poor.

mauchow · 02-24-2012, 10:49 PM

Zinto was into us. I was voting wolves too.

CrimsonFox · 02-24-2012, 10:51 PM

man what a horrible game for us. I don't think many people here know your playing style, Coffee. Good game. Mauboy was SOOOO pinging me. He's never that quiet.

CrimsonFox · 02-24-2012, 10:52 PM

And now you know why I always go after Autumn, because I'm usually right about him.

henry296 · 02-24-2012, 10:57 PM

Dang. The conversation with Autumn about which neutral roles were in the game was the reason I scanned him on night one. Should've put that order in right away and then changed it later if necessary.

Autumn · 02-24-2012, 11:27 PM

Wow, I missed a lot!

I can't believe I somehow missed being told CW was Dingo. WTF.

Autumn · 02-24-2012, 11:29 PM

Ah, I see. Yes, I think I was confused early on because I just had it in my head that a wolf had converted me. It wasn't until last night or today that it clicked that the converter was the sorceror, not the wolf. So I had ignored the name in teh original PM, thinking it was one of the wolves, and then when it clicked today I thought I didn't know who the sorceror was.

That would have made things easier. So the gold medal goes to Mauboy who suggested Zinto as the night kill over CW. I actually thought Chief might be Dingo, and that was why he wasn't fighting being the lynch target repeatedly.

Autumn · 02-24-2012, 11:33 PM

I really thought there might not be a seer in the game. I don't think I mentioned it as heavily as a villager, because I thought it better if the wolves didn't think strongly about that. But as a new wolf it aligned well with a desire to just keep Chief on the chopping block.

JAG, where was I wrong with my numbers? I thought we were done "last" night.

I had Henry pegged as Zoot at least, which was a real bonus for the wolves, because we knew we just had to avoid him dying, as a neutral.

CW, that was a fantastic play to reveal, perfect play at that point. A lot of times I find sorcerors don't do enough to help the wolves, but that was good.

Autumn · 02-24-2012, 11:34 PM

What made you guys scan me as Galahad? I wasn't trying to tip anyone off.

CrimsonFox · 02-24-2012, 11:39 PM

*sigh* I have no idea why Autumn went scot free after his day 2 "reveal". He was just frothing over Chief's fake reveal in the previous game so it seemed obvious that's what he was doing. Zinto you picked up on that but really Autumn seemed to be invisible day 3.

Autumn · 02-24-2012, 11:54 PM

Well, Danny was leading the charge and we killed him. I think a lot of people didn't quite buy the reveal, but it wasn't flagrant enough to garner a vote. I think it helped that I didn't reveal under great pressure.

Luckily I was a wolf at that point. It would have sucked to have been a pure Galahad and not be able to reveal because I'd just get screwed that night.

bhlloy · 02-25-2012, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

CW, that was a fantastic play to reveal, perfect play at that point. A lot of times I find sorcerors don't do enough to help the wolves, but that was good.

Not to dump on his play or anything, and there may be something I missed but a) it didn't matter in the scheme of the game and b) if there were only 2 wolves as he thought, it actually could/would have lost the game for the wolves

EDIT - nm, nothing to see here. I forgot CW wasn't the second wolf and there would have been another one out there. So yeah, not a bad play in the grand scheme of things

bhlloy · 02-25-2012, 12:31 AM

I also missed in my calculations earlier the fact there was a brutal. With 3 wolves and 4 villagers the game was basically over before today even started, no?

Darth Vilus · 02-25-2012, 01:32 AM

We got raped. No doubt about that

Zinto · 02-25-2012, 02:28 AM

Rough game for the village. Why CF night one?

JAG · 02-25-2012, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

JAG, where was I wrong with my numbers? I thought we were done "last" night.

You missed that both Dingo and Zoot counted as villagers for purposes of win ratio.

JAG · 02-25-2012, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I also missed in my calculations earlier the fact there was a brutal. With 3 wolves and 4 villagers the game was basically over before today even started, no?

Technically the game wasn't over from a ratio standpoint (let's say ideally you could've voted off both non-brutal wolves before ntn last). With the sorceror and mau's vote switch, the wolves had numbers on their side to force a win, but they weren't aware that CW was Dingo so I didn't want to call it immediately. After CW made his last play (which I thought was perfectly timed...give the wolves the means to get rid of the seer, worst case a wolf doesn't get voted off more than likely, if there were only two wolves left), the wolves knew he was Dingo at that point because he listed ntn as good. Then Mau laid out their path to a win in-thread and I felt there was no point in keeping the game going.

JAG · 02-25-2012, 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinto

Rough game for the village. Why CF night one?

This sounds comical after seeing CR get heavily voted D2 + D3 but it was in part because they thought someone on the block D1 wouldn't be up there on future days (and partially they suspected he might have a role).

JAG · 02-25-2012, 03:19 AM

So lets say the wolves kill CW instead of Zinto N3. There would be four actual villagers left, so they would have the numbers, but the wolves would have a vote switch in hand. bhlloy comes out and pegs Mau as a wolf. If Zinto realizes he has to duke it to Mau, the wolves kill bhlloy that night. So then it's 3-2 and probably Autumn gets lynched seeing as Zinto had been after him. Then DV probably has to choose between ntn and Henry to get the win.

Not a guaranteed win for the village in that scenario, but there was a somewhat reasonable chance had the NK not been changed in the last hour.

CrimsonFox · 02-25-2012, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

We got raped. No doubt about that

eh it's more like the village raped itself :P

I mean Jackal? REALLY? What the hell!

mauchow · 02-25-2012, 06:27 AM

I was very quiet because the village was doing a great job by themselves.

CrimsonFox · 02-25-2012, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauboy1

I was very quiet because the village was doing a great job by themselves.

LOL uh huh

But even when that happens you are always going off on your own tangents.

Ya know, you are becoming the new Jackal with how many times you are a wolf, mau.

Coffee Warlord · 02-25-2012, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

What made you guys scan me as Galahad? I wasn't trying to tip anyone off.

Nothing you did. I just picked someone I don't like playing against.

Autumn · 02-25-2012, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

You missed that both Dingo and Zoot counted as villagers for purposes of win ratio.

Reading fail #2, I could have sworn it said dingo did *not* count as a villager. Damn. Galahad was really a net loss for the village no matter what.

02-24-2012, 09:46 PM	#401
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	There are three of us - and counting CW is dingo, that's four votes, and my switch vote, we basically have five votes against two at this point. Last edited by mauchow : 02-24-2012 at 09:46 PM.

02-24-2012, 10:02 PM	#423
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Thanks to everyone for playing. Not the best effort from the village in my opinion, but so it goes. Some notes: 1. Autumn must've had a good tip-off post that he was Galahad, as both henry and CW scanned him night 1. CW was quicker by 15 minutes, so they got the conversion instead of both being taken out of the game. 2. Even though it was indicated to Autumn in the conversion PM that CW was Dingo, he must have missed or forgotten that information. The other wolves didn't know who CW was and he ended up being their second choice for a kill night 2 and the primary choice for a kill night three before mau switched things up and suggested Zinto instead, believing he might be the seer (instead, he just had some good reads). 3. Autumn was correct that I threw that tidbit he highlighted in the rules because I was contemplating a seerless game when the total people that had signed up was 11 (9v, 2w or maybe 8v 1n 2w). After a couple more joined, I went with almost the exact configuration Danny put out day 1. I thought it was pretty well-balanced, but the wolves got off to a fantastic start with the killing of the BG and getting their conversion N1 and basically never looked back. Last edited by JAG : 02-24-2012 at 10:03 PM.

02-24-2012, 10:05 PM	#424
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Jesus, you guys never knew who I was? I had actually asked JAG, once I successfully converted, if Autumn knew. He told me so, so I'd been playing under the assumption the wolves were in on the fun at that point. Hell, THAT puts a whole new spin on things. I seriously was reading into Autumn's posts for subtle hints on who is okay to vote for (since I only knew one of the two original wolves), and I actually thought he was subtly urging me to reveal as seer. Which, I had planned to do anyway. Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 02-24-2012 at 10:08 PM.

02-24-2012, 10:57 PM	#431
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Dang. The conversation with Autumn about which neutral roles were in the game was the reason I scanned him on night one. Should've put that order in right away and then changed it later if necessary. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

02-25-2012, 01:32 AM	#440
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	We got raped. No doubt about that __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

02-24-2012, 09:47 PM	#402
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	my reasons for wanting to scan CW, if anyone is interested is that somebody said that he'd been way more vocal after a couple people said he was on their trust list. And I went back and looked at it and that did seem to be the case. So I thought I'd follow that line of thinking. But then I got a bigger ping from you.

02-24-2012, 09:47 PM	#403
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Yes, because by some amazing coincidence, you scanned DV day 1, a guy that was lynched Day 2, and someone who hasn't had a shred of interest on him day 3 (which, oh, was supposed to be me at first). I think not.

02-24-2012, 09:48 PM	#404
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	oh, well if that's true then that really fricking sucks so if game over JAG can call it and put us out of our misery?

02-24-2012, 09:48 PM	#405
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Oh. So there really are three wolves, mau?

02-24-2012, 09:48 PM	#406
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	If so, yeah, you're all fucked.

02-24-2012, 09:48 PM	#407
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	lol. typical I make my only great read ever in WW and still lose

02-24-2012, 09:49 PM	#409
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Yeah, there are three wolves now after you hit on your first night.

02-24-2012, 09:51 PM	#411
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Great job thought CW coming out like that. We had an order to NK you tonight but switched later on. Still probbaly would have come out on top but it certainly made things easier today.

02-24-2012, 09:52 PM	#412
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Heh. I ALMOST fake revealed yesterday to draw out the seer, but I figured I could stand waiting one more day.

02-24-2012, 09:52 PM	#413
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Alrighty, no reason to drag this out...

02-24-2012, 09:53 PM	#414
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Mass confusion fills the group. Two people stand up and claim to be Sir Bedevere amidst much shouting. Eventually the one named Coffee Warlord appears to have the most support and bhlloy is showered with rocks until he lays lifeless on the ground. Unfortunately (for the two left on the side of good), you realize now this was the true Sir Bedevere you have killed. Then Autumn, who you only now realize is Sir Galahad, steps up to henry296 and says, "Nice try, but your sister was quicker." With a single blow, he puts his sword through Zoot's heart. mauboy1 laughs with a ridiculous French accent and ntndeacon runs over to Darth Vilus yelling, "Ni! Ni!" until he can take no more. The forces of Evil have triumphed! Game over!

02-24-2012, 09:54 PM	#415
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I am so pissed right now. At least this didn't get dragged out all weekend

02-24-2012, 09:55 PM	#416
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	NTN, huh. I was close. I had it between him and henry, actually, but I was leaning towards henry. In case you didn't know, mauboy, you were the wolf I knew about from the start.

02-24-2012, 09:55 PM	#417
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	great game wolves

02-24-2012, 09:56 PM	#418
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Not sure how well we do if it's just me and ntn for a few nights before a convert.

02-24-2012, 09:56 PM	#419
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	We got horribly, horribly lucky. And it was unfortunate Autumn, a common early target for, well, everything, was Galahad. After that, it was basically a cakewalk.

02-24-2012, 09:59 PM	#420
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Yep, I was semi surprised Zinto didn't put an order in to change up the lynch but... that's the toughest job to have, especially at this point

02-24-2012, 10:01 PM	#421
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	However, I find I must say this. SPANK ME, AUTUMN. SPANK ME LONG AND HARD.

02-24-2012, 10:01 PM	#422
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	If he didn't have a read on anyone (and I don't see why he would at that point) it's a pointless exercise.

02-24-2012, 10:09 PM	#426
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Wow, yeah, that's a big miss on Autumn's part. He even said at one point he wasn't completely with it for a bit. HEheh.

02-24-2012, 10:36 PM	#427
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I thought the village played very poorly. We fell into the trap we always do of getting a couple of candidates for no good reason and voting them over and over again. I'm definitely guilty of that, I voted CR all 3 days at one point I think (although day 3 was to try and protect DV who I knew was good) Wolves got lucky with the day 1 conversion but still, there was no heat on them at all. I don't think we even had a single vote on one of them the whole game. Very poor.

02-24-2012, 10:49 PM	#428
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Zinto was into us. I was voting wolves too.

02-24-2012, 10:51 PM	#429
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	man what a horrible game for us. I don't think many people here know your playing style, Coffee. Good game. Mauboy was SOOOO pinging me. He's never that quiet.

02-24-2012, 10:52 PM	#430
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	And now you know why I always go after Autumn, because I'm usually right about him.

02-24-2012, 11:27 PM	#432
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Wow, I missed a lot! I can't believe I somehow missed being told CW was Dingo. WTF.

02-24-2012, 11:29 PM	#433
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Ah, I see. Yes, I think I was confused early on because I just had it in my head that a wolf had converted me. It wasn't until last night or today that it clicked that the converter was the sorceror, not the wolf. So I had ignored the name in teh original PM, thinking it was one of the wolves, and then when it clicked today I thought I didn't know who the sorceror was. That would have made things easier. So the gold medal goes to Mauboy who suggested Zinto as the night kill over CW. I actually thought Chief might be Dingo, and that was why he wasn't fighting being the lynch target repeatedly.

02-24-2012, 11:33 PM	#434
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I really thought there might not be a seer in the game. I don't think I mentioned it as heavily as a villager, because I thought it better if the wolves didn't think strongly about that. But as a new wolf it aligned well with a desire to just keep Chief on the chopping block. JAG, where was I wrong with my numbers? I thought we were done "last" night. I had Henry pegged as Zoot at least, which was a real bonus for the wolves, because we knew we just had to avoid him dying, as a neutral. CW, that was a fantastic play to reveal, perfect play at that point. A lot of times I find sorcerors don't do enough to help the wolves, but that was good.

02-24-2012, 11:34 PM	#435
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	What made you guys scan me as Galahad? I wasn't trying to tip anyone off.

02-24-2012, 11:39 PM	#436
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	sigh I have no idea why Autumn went scot free after his day 2 "reveal". He was just frothing over Chief's fake reveal in the previous game so it seemed obvious that's what he was doing. Zinto you picked up on that but really Autumn seemed to be invisible day 3.

02-24-2012, 11:54 PM	#437
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Well, Danny was leading the charge and we killed him. I think a lot of people didn't quite buy the reveal, but it wasn't flagrant enough to garner a vote. I think it helped that I didn't reveal under great pressure. Luckily I was a wolf at that point. It would have sucked to have been a pure Galahad and not be able to reveal because I'd just get screwed that night.