Werewolf Small Game XI -- Divination Nation! (GAME OVER WOLVES WIN!! )

[path12]

Far away from here there are wizards, some of whom live in Fortune. They specialize in training diviners here, seers that then cover the globe in search of wolves, their mortal enemy.

That made it all the more embarrassing when Felix's Divination Nation! (motto: 'If you buy, we'll scry!'), one of the leading diviner schools, had an infestation of wolves. Wolves, student diviners (who are not fully trained yet!) -- Felix's reputation must be saved!

This is a 9 player game. The basics are very simple. There are 6 seers (students) and 3 wolves. A role for everybody!

The students have a 75% chance of correctly identifying the faction of another player. Each student can scan another player every night.

There will be a night zero where everyone gets a scan to start the game.

Each day the players will vote on a player to be lynched. The player with the most votes will be killed. Ties will be broken by coin flip. The faction of the player lynched will be revealed upon death.

The wolves do not know each other. They have a 80% chance of correctly identifying the faction another player. Each wolf can scan another player every night. The wolves will each vote on a kill attempt each evening. The player with the most votes will be killed. If there is a tie it will be settled by the first kill vote received. Note that it is possible for the wolves to kill one of their own.

The wolves must eliminate ALL the students. The students must eliminate ALL the wolves.

Rules may be modified at the whim of the GM until the game starts. Let's have fun! Day deadlines 9PM Eastern, results around there somewhere. Night deadline 9AM Eastern, results closer to 9 Pacific. We'll figure out start date when we fill.

Signups:

1. st.cronin -- wolf, lynched day 3
2. Alan T -- student, killed night 2
3. Chief Rum
4. ImTheCrew -- wolf, lynched day 2
5. ntndeacon -- student, killed night 4
6. RendeR -- student, killed night 1
7. DaddyTorgo -- student, lynched day 4
8. Lathum -- student, lynched day 1
9. hoopsguy -- student, killed night 3

[st.cronin]

I'll play...

[Barkeep49]

I love your sense of humor path, but I'm going to sit this one out.

[Tyrith]

Oh gosh, this game should be crazy. I won't be signing up (at least right now), but I'll follow with interest.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Oh gosh, this game should be crazy. I won't be signing up (at least right now), but I'll follow with interest.

I'm imagining it as a wild, fun free-for-all. A game to just have a good time with.

[Alan T]

I'll play. I need something fun to do for 3 days!

[Chief Rum]

Ditto. Im in.

[ImTheCrew]

In

[ntndeacon]

In

[RendeR]

sign me up.

[path12]

Well, I guess either people are waiting for the big game to start, need a break or this idea isn't really going over well right now. We'll give it another day or two and see what happens.......

[DaddyTorgo]

this sounds classic. I'm in

dunno how I missed the signup thread

[Lathum]

in

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by path12

Well, I guess either people are waiting for the big game to start, need a break or this idea isn't really going over well right now. We'll give it another day or two and see what happens.......

Any problem running this game with 8 path? Seems like a decent number for a small person game!

[path12]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Any problem running this game with 8 path? Seems like a decent number for a small person game!

I'd like to get at least one more. I think we could do it with 9. If we don't have any more takers by end of today we'll go with what we have.

[path12]

Update.

I do have one player who has offered to play if we can't find anyone else, but I know his schedule is full right now and I'm hoping we can get one more volunteer.

If we don't have one by 9PM Pacific, we'll roll with nine. I'll update rules, send out PM's and ask for night 0 view choices at that time.

[path12]

OK. Hoopsguy has graciously volunteered to fill out the game.....thanks!

I have made some rule adjustments noted on the first post. I will start sending out PM's giving you your role, list of players, and asking you for your night 0 view target.

All PM's will be exactly the same, except for the voting requirements and the faction, so comparisons will be rather useless.

Let me know if you have any questions, otherwise, go out and rescue the school's reputation! (or sully it more, as the case may be).

[path12]

Alright, game on! All role PM's have been sent. I'd like to wrap up night 0 by noon Eastern tomorrow, then we can either go to the regular 9PM Eastern deadline or if you feel we need longer for day 1 we can.

If you did not receive a PM from me, let me know ASAP.

[Chief Rum]

Woot! First to post.

I'm a villager, but then, what's the point? I figure by the end of Day Two, we'll all have pretty strong suspicions about who is who.

I recommend we don't ALL scan AlanT on the first night.

Actually, seriously, if we had more time, I would recommend coming up with a "scan plan" so we can get roundabout reveals going. But I don't know if that gets any support.

I will be around a little early on in the morning, but then I'll probably be out the rest of the day. Thursday is also pretty shot working both jobs. Expect some late night posting and/or early Thursday posting tomorrow.

If I am still alive on Friday, I should be around a lot more.

Good luck, everyone!

[hoopsguy]

OK, first question - what happens on the 25% of scans that fail? Do we get incorrect faction info or no result?

I did not put in my scan order for AlanT, fwiw.

And I'm expecting that I won't be around a ton this week, so please don't come stalking me just because I'm more quiet than usual (see post #16).

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, first question - what happens on the 25% of scans that fail? Do we get incorrect faction info or no result?

I did not put in my scan order for AlanT, fwiw.

And I'm expecting that I won't be around a ton this week, so please don't come stalking me just because I'm more quiet than usual (see post #16).

My guess is that that 25% wll just see the wrong thing. (Or 20% in the case of the wolves) I hope I am wrong as wrong info could be costly.

[Alan T]

Got my pm, and sent my scan order in already!

The way I read the rules it made me think there is just a chance of failing the scan, not that you would get the wrong info from. Clarification would be good I suppose!

[ntndeacon]

well i guess if everyone gets a reading on night 0 then we can suspect that we get bad info. even if we all get good info on night 0 after night 1 we will be sure.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Woot! First to post.

I'm a villager, but then, what's the point? I figure by the end of Day Two, we'll all have pretty strong suspicions about who is who.

Ok I may be real new to this whole werewolf genre, but this, based on the rules of this particular game seems utterly idiotic?

No matter your role you don't want to divulge that information because there is no one out there to protect you. Anyone announcing their role, truly or falsely will not survive any given night.

One faction or the other will kill you just because you've given them the opportunity.

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, first question - what happens on the 25% of scans that fail? Do we get incorrect faction info or no result?

Scans that fail will give incorrect faction info.

[Lathum]

Checking in. I also didn't scan alanT. I won't be around for a few of the nights and is we go into the weekend I will barely be around.

To answer Renders question it is common for the "seer" to give themselves up in a 1-1 trade in these games. I have yet to see a seer make it to the end of a game. In this game some people will need to give themselves up.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Ok I may be real new to this whole werewolf genre, but this, based on the rules of this particular game seems utterly idiotic?

No matter your role you don't want to divulge that information because there is no one out there to protect you. Anyone announcing their role, truly or falsely will not survive any given night.

One faction or the other will kill you just because you've given them the opportunity.

RendeR, everyone is going to claim to be a seer. The other game you played there was only one seer. So protecting that person, as is usually the case in WW, was a high priority for the villagers.

However, with multiple seers how is one seer more valuable than another seer from the wolf perspective?

That is why I think that everyone is going to divulge their role (or fake reveal as a seer) and only one person is going to die (if I read the rules correctly). It won't be because they are the seer, as the importance of that role is marginalized by the abundance of people in that role.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I have yet to see a seer make it to the end of a game.

I did, in the Jack the Ripper game.

I like the idea of a plan for scans ... I'm scanning DaddyTorgo.

[hoopsguy]

I'm certainly willing to talk about a plan for scans, but I would prefer to start tomorrow when we have time to coordinate it.

I haven't really gone through the pros/cons of doing so quite yet but I think we would have to decide on a subset of people to run the scans against given the 25% chance of failure. So if we pair up in groups of two at the end of Day 1 (can debate what to do with odd man, if needed) and also agree upon the order that info is released between that pair. I think that would be the way to go, while trying to preserve teams of two who report identical information.

I would have liked to have a game the size Path initially intended for this plan because I think it would be harder to lose in that scenario. Here, with fewer days to implement the plan there is a little higher likelihood of failure.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I did, in the Jack the Ripper game.

I like the idea of a plan for scans ... I'm scanning DaddyTorgo.

well aren't you cool

dodn't you mean you scanned daddytorgo last night?

[st.cronin]

We should at least TRY to get some coordination for night 0, hoops, even if its not total. If everybody scans Lathum, for example, that's a bit of a waste, isn't it?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

well aren't you cool

dodn't you mean you scanned daddytorgo last night?

Considering I haven't gotten a result, I think the scan is still underway. Meaning I assume I can change it up until deadline, should circumstances dictate.

[Lathum]

I encourage multiple people to scan me( but not to many).

I scanned ITC last night

[path12]

Results coming out soon. Those who did not specify a scan will receive one at random.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

We should at least TRY to get some coordination for night 0, hoops, even if its not total. If everybody scans Lathum, for example, that's a bit of a waste, isn't it?

I was operating under the assumption of a 9:00AM deadline.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, I would have been all for trying to coordinate if we had more than ten minutes or if we had a room full of people in here chattering when I posted.

FWIW, I did scan Lathum. I wanted to pick someone that someone else would likely scan so we could have something resembling validation. And because I thought it was important to remove the world's greatest wolf early if it came to that

[st.cronin]

I thought deadline was noon. Anyway, DaddyTorgo is a student.

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I thought deadline was noon. Anyway, DaddyTorgo is a student.

Noon eastern.

[st.cronin]

Ah. I thought path was using pacific time.

[path12]

Day 1 is now underway. Deadline is 9PM Eastern time.

Results of the tiebreaker votes:

For lynch votes: Ties will be broken by coin flip.
For night kills: Ties will be broken by first kill vote received.

[Lathum]

VOTE IMTHECREW

[Lathum]

wanted to get that out there.


He is a wolf

[st.cronin]

VOTE IMTHECREW

[ImTheCrew]

wow im shocked lathum that you would come out this early with false accusations i am villiger, did anyone scan lathum to see if he was a wolf??
25% chance you got the wrong info 75% your'e a wolf so right now ill go with the % and

VOTE LATHUM

ps i scanned Render and he was clean

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by path12

Scans that fail will give incorrect faction info.

hopefully my scan was accurate

[hoopsguy]

I scanned Lathum and he came up wolf. Given the 25% chance of failure, I'm not looking to go bananas with this, but I'm certainly not jumping on his vote for ITC right away either.

[hoopsguy]

So, we've got two wolf scans out there right now:

Lathum says ImTheCrew is a wolf
Hoopsguy says Lathum is a wolf

And one villager scan:

Cronin says DaddyTorgo is a student

ITC, who did you scan and what was the result?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I scanned Lathum and he came up wolf. Given the 25% chance of failure, I'm not looking to go bananas with this, but I'm certainly not jumping on his vote for ITC right away either.

then you got an incorrect scan.


If I was a wolf the last thing I would do is come out guns blazing on the first day.

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, it is certainly possible. That is why I'm not voting right away here and hoping that someone else scanned you to verify/dispute the result.

[Lathum]

ordinararaly I wouldn't come out swinging but since longest help vote could be a tie breaker I wanted to get it out there early.