OT--Why not Bill Clinton in 2004?

[Taur]

First I am a die-hard republican and vote mostly down party lines. I also would rank Clinton as one of the top 5 worst presidents of all time.(Carter=#1)

After looking at the Dem. aplicants I started wondering why not Billy boy again. I hear he is auditioning for a talk shows, looking at a teaching job, or writing some book. So why not have another run at the Office.

A Dem. President is going to be a tuff sell(War/Tax Cut), so why not dust off an established winner. I don't think his reputation has suffered any more since he left the White House and with the recent JFK intern scandall may have actually improved.

Can you run for a third term if it is not in a row?

[dacman]

Originally posted by Taur
Can you run for a third term if it is not in a row?

Fortunately (or unfortunately) you cannot be elected to 3 different terms -- in a row or otherwise -- IIRC.

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by dacman
Fortunately (or unfortunately) you cannot be elected to 3 different terms -- in a row or otherwise -- IIRC.

So, somehow we can not allow Hilary to run too, right?! We all know who really ran that first Presidency!

[Taur]

Thanks for the info....I always thought it was 3 consecutive terms.

[detroit_fan]

Yes, he could run again. As sad as it is, he might be their best option.

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by dacman
Fortunately (or unfortunately) you cannot be elected to 3 different terms -- in a row or otherwise -- IIRC.

I believe there is a limit of 10 years max for the presidency, with a limit of being twice elected.

[Butter]

Besides, he's a rapist....

[Subby]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
Besides, he's a rapist....

If loving rap is wrong, I DONT WANT TO BE RIGHT!!!!

[FBPro]

He's an azz, the worst "excuse" for a person, much less someone to represent our country as I have ever seen. Needs to be behind bars, not that kind he's used to when drinking either.

[The Afoci]

I am not the biggest fan of him either, but you guys who bash him have to ask yourself one thing. If you were married to Hillary, wouldn't you be going after any warm body you could find too?

[MizzouRah]

Originally posted by The Afoci
I am not the biggest fan of him either, but you guys who bash him have to ask yourself one thing. If you were married to Hillary, wouldn't you be going after any warm body you could find too?

After a divorce.


Todd

[CamEdwards]

Funny you should mention this.. because it sounds like Billy would sure like to be your candidate in 2004.

From the Washington Post:

Clinton Wants Change in Presidential Term Limits



Reuters
Wednesday, May 28, 2003; 8:03 PM



BOSTON (Reuters) - Former President Bill Clinton said on Wednesday Congress should change the rule that barred him from seeking a third term in the White House, but stopped short of saying he wants to return as commander-in-chief.

Speaking at the John F. Kennedy Library and Museum here, Clinton questioned certain aspects of the 22nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which prevents a person from being elected president more than twice.

Clinton said the amendment, passed after Franklin D. Roosevelt was elected to a record fourth term, should be changed simply to keep a person from being elected to more than two consecutive terms as president.

"I think since people are living much longer ... the 22nd Amendment should probably be modified to say two consecutive terms instead of two terms for a lifetime," Clinton said.

The former president said such a change probably wouldn't apply to him but would benefit future generations.

"There may come a time when we elect a president at age 45 or 50, and then 20 years later the country comes up against the same kind of problems the president faced before," he said. "People would like to bring that man or woman back but they would have no way to do so."

Clinton, who left office in 2001, said he had "loved" his time as president but was also enjoying life outside the White House.

"I was surprised at how happy I was to have my life back," he said during a question-and-answer session with presidential historian Michael Beschloss.

Clinton said he was writing his memoirs, which were due to be published in the autumn of 2004, although he said they may be out before then.

[Samdari]

I KNOW you guys have the internet. Why do you argue about such things.

US Constitution, Amendment 22, Article 1.
"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term."

[Ben E Lou]

Gee Cam, I'm shocked. I can't imagine that Bill Clinton would have so little regard for the law that he would want to change, stretch, bend or break it for his own personal benefit. I mean, that whole impeachment thing was just about sex, not about the fact that he lied under oath and obstructed justice, right?

[Anrhydeddu]

so little regard for the law that he (I) would want to change, stretch, bend or break it for his (my) own personal benefit.

And that is the most perfect sub-title for his "autobiography" and the summation of his presidency.

[FBPro]

I might trust him to watch my dog while I'm on vacation, but then again that probably would not be safe for the dog.

[mckerney]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
Besides, he's a rapist....

Don't forget that he's a murderer as well.

[clintl]

About 15 years ago, some Republicans were advocating changing the 22nd Amendment so Reagan could run for a third term. The Republicans on the board might be well-served to remember that before they work themselves into a frenzy over Clinton's remarks.

[Samdari]

I'll settle this

To Democrats: You need to admit that Bill Clinton committed perjury and obstruction while a sitting president.

To Republicans: You need to get over it and move on with your lives.

[Anrhydeddu]

Samdari, I agree except that we have to remember the past so that we don't repeat it (like electing a Democrat in 2004 or 2008 or 2012, or Hillary Clinton for that matter).

Lifelong registered Independent

[JPhillips]

I love waatching the same Repubs who scream "Get over the 2000 election!" get into a froth about Clinton's penis.

And show me where he has been proven to be a rapist and a murderer.

[Butter]

Originally posted by Samdari
I'll settle this

To Democrats: You need to admit that Bill Clinton committed perjury and obstruction while a sitting president.

Already admitted it. Lawyers are amazing though, aren't they?

Bush also committed perjury and obstruction while a sitting VP... but we all kinda like to forget about Iran-Contra.

[mrskippy]

I say change the law and let Clinton run. I think it'd be funny if he and Hillary faced off in 2008.

[Easy Mac]

I'd rather have a president lie about getting a blowjob than one who lies about info to get us in a war that kills a couple hundered Americans.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Samdari
To Democrats: You need to admit that Bill Clinton committed perjury and obstruction while a sitting president.

To Republicans: You need to get over it and move on with your lives.

Good, since I am neither, I can still complain.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by JPhillips
And show me where he has been proven to be a rapist and a murderer.

And exactly since when does it have to "proven" for me to say that I believe that he is a rapist?

[Easy Mac]

Technically sine it is in print he can sue for libel

[Butter]

There's a big difference, SkyDog, between saying "I believe he is a rapist", and "he is a rapist", which I've seen you and many others say before.

[Fritz]

Originally posted by JPhillips
I love waatching the same Repubs who scream "Get over the 2000 election!" get into a froth about Clinton's penis.

And show me where he has been proven to be a rapist and a murderer.

dude:

http://www.ClintonIsaRapistAndaMurderer.com

use the power of the internet!

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
There's a big difference, SkyDog, between saying "I believe he is a rapist", and "he is a rapist", which I've seen you and many others say before.

Is O.J. a murderer?

[Butter]

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. I have no idea. My opinion is that he did it.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. I have no idea. My opinion is that he did it.

If he did it, despite being found not guilty, would it still not be accurate to call him a murderer?

[Fritz]

Originally posted by SkyDog
If he did it, despite being found not guilty, would it still not be accurate to call him a murderer?

no, just a killer

[Butter]

Originally posted by SkyDog
If he did it, despite being found not guilty, would it still not be accurate to call him a murderer?

You seem to find the whole first part of your sentence inconsequential, and I would argue that it is not.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Fritz
no, just a killer

Hmmmm...interesting perspective there. I see what you're getting at there. This is going to get into semantics here, but I would still submit to you that the killings fit the definition of "the unlawful killing of one human being by another." I'd say they were unlawful, despite the legal system failing to get it right, but I could certainly understand the argument that the fact that the "law" found him Not Guilty means that he did not commit "unlawful" killings. On the flip side, I'd say that by the greater Law, he is guilty of murder. Don't want to split hairs though.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
You seem to find the whole first part of your sentence inconsequential, and I would argue that it is not.

I hear what you're saying, but it is my opinion that if he did it, then the court system failed us, by letting a murderer go free.

[Anrhydeddu]

The court of law cannot prove that you committed a crime or not, it can only convict or acquit you of the charges against you. Just like someone can convicted of a crime that he/she did not commit, someone can be acquitted of a crime that he/she did commit. Most of the time they appear to get it right but man's laws (with its technical and amoral obligations) can only go so far or do so much.

[Kodos]

Anyone who pisses Republicans off as badly as Bill Clinton did can't be all bad.


As for SkyDog not being Republican - maybe you aren't officially a Republican, but you certainly have very strong Republican leanings. Nobody is going to mistake you for a Democrat.

[Samdari]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
I'd rather have a president lie about getting a blowjob than one who lies about info to get us in a war that kills a couple hundered Americans.

While lying in press conferences and public speeches may make one untrustworthy, and unreelectable, they do not constitute perjury and obstruction of justice.

[Butter]

Originally posted by SkyDog
Don't want to split hairs though.

I don't mind.

[Kodos]

P.S. I would vote for Clinton again in a heartbeat. I like having a President who is the smartest guy in the room, even if his morals are admittedly not the greatest.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Kodos
As for SkyDog not being Republican - maybe you aren't officially a Republican, but you certainly have very strong Republican leanings. Nobody is going to mistake you for a Democrat.

True, I'll never be mistaken for a Democrat, but I sure think that 99% of Republican politicians are gutless political hacks who, just like the Democrats, are just trying to do whatever it takes to stay in power.

I could never go into politics. I have this bad habit of saying exactly what I think, and acting on it.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
I don't mind.

LOL!

[Butter]

I would not vote for Clinton again, nor for his wife, even being a lifelong registered Democrat. I did vote for Gore, but good God he has as little charisma in his whole body as I have in a hair. Sadly, that's politics today.

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by Kodos
P.S. I would vote for Clinton again in a heartbeat. I like having a President who is the smartest guy in the room, even if his morals are admittedly not the greatest.

I'd rather have a guy who's not using his smarts primarily for his own gain while in office.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Kodos
P.S. I would vote for Clinton again in a heartbeat. I like having a President who is the smartest guy in the room, even if his morals are admittedly not the greatest.

I wonder if you'd feel this way if your mother, sister or daughter was sexually harrassed by him, then denied her day in court because the Chief Executive of our country decided to lie under oath and obstruct justice to save his own butt.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
I did vote for Gore, but good God he has as little charisma in his whole body as I have in a hair.

..and Butter makes ol' SkyDog laugh once again!

[Kodos]

Originally posted by cuervo72
I'd rather have a guy who's not using his smarts primarily for his own gain while in office.

And Bush's tax cuts don't mostly benefit his fellow wealthy men?

[Anrhydeddu]

Originally posted by Kodos
P.S. I would vote for Clinton again in a heartbeat. I like having a President who is the smartest guy in the room, even if his morals are admittedly not the greatest.

Albright as SoS? Stephanopolous as lapdog? Gore as VP? Babbitt as SoI? Reno as AG? Cuomo at HUD? Herman as SoL? Policies as photo-ops? Yeah, real smart that guy was.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
Albright as SoS? Stephanopolous as lapdog? Gore as VP? Babbitt as SoI? Reno as AG? Cuomo at HUD? Herman as SoL? Policies as photo-ops? Yeah, real smart that guy was.

He was BRILLIANT, Buc! Surround yourself with people like that, and you look even better.