NCAA 09 East Coast League: Pick teams now, or wait?

[Mike1409]

Originally Posted by wade moore

If we means a limited number of people, then sure - I agree.

I know I'm being a pain in the ass and pissing people off here, but I just have serious problems if this is how we are starting - by the majority voting for something and then a small minority discussing it and deciding to change it.

Not a good sign for the future.

I disagree, this is THE time to discuss and evolve while we are waiting for the game to drop. The first weeks of a league are the most important to work out the features and rules that can be adressed before release. It is when you have the most captive audience and can implement changes without harming any individual player. It is also the time when you can weed out people that don't want to participate by them not involving in these decisions.

[wade moore]

I get your implication. Show me where these decisions were that I was uninvolved in.

I've been reading the East Coast threads.

I went back and re-read them.

There's a vote and then magically the thread takes a 180 after the vote.

[Mike1409]

Originally Posted by wade moore

I get your implication. Show me where these decisions were that I was uninvolved in.

I've been reading the East Coast threads.

I went back and re-read them.

There's a vote and then magically the thread takes a 180 after the vote.

See this thread.

http://operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=65908

[wade moore]

Just re-read this thread again.

I see where it turned. In less than 24 hours a few guys (some of which had already said they wanted to draft now) agreed with Detox when he threw out the prelim draft idea.

By no means was it a majority.

Things like this that have a major impact on the league should be up for a vote. Not a vote, people think one thing, and then a secondary idea is posted in the thread - a few guys agree and boom, the vote doesn't matter.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Mike1409

See this thread.

http://operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=65908

Proves my point.

On 6/19 we decided 3 conferences.

Magically on 6/22 there is a post saying "we're at 4 conferences now!".

[Mike1409]

and in following this thread, you see that several people agreed that picking just 3 conferences made it difficult to choose teams on the criteria that we set, so people changed their opinion which changed the balance of the votes.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Mike1409

and in following this thread, you see that several people agreed that picking just 3 conferences made it difficult to choose teams on the criteria that we set, so people changed their opinion which changed the balance of the votes.

I count 4 people that said they were cool with switching to 4 conferences.

One who voted for 4 initially.

Initially 2 people (me and KWhit) voted for 4 conferences.

So that would make 5 votes for switching conferences if you count the posts in this thread.

Again - this was a small, vocal minority pushing something through that went against what the majority voted for.

Puts a very sour taste in my mouth right now about this league.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by wade moore

Just re-read this thread again.

I see where it turned. In less than 24 hours a few guys (some of which had already said they wanted to draft now) agreed with Detox when he threw out the prelim draft idea.

What the hell are you talking about? Two people voted to draft now and three people voted to draft now, with the ability to change teams later. That makes 5. Seven people voted to wait.

I, along with Mike, said we would rather draft now, instead of waiting as we originally voted. Removing two from "wait", and adding two to "now" makes it 7 to 5 in favor of "now." Unless you think both of us are lying, and we did not make up two of the seven "wait" votes, how does your statement make any sense at all?

[RedKingGold]

God, everyone needs to chill out.

[KWhit]

yy

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Logan

What the hell are you talking about? Two people voted to draft now and three people voted to draft now, with the ability to change teams later. That makes 5. Seven people voted to wait.

I, along with Mike, said we would rather draft now, instead of waiting as we originally voted. Removing two from "wait", and adding two to "now" makes it 7 to 5 in favor of "now." Unless you think both of us are lying, and we did not make up two of the seven "wait" votes, how does your statement make any sense at all?

How do you know the two "now" votes are ok with team switching later?

I know that may sound silly - but either way the vote just changed out of nowhere.

whatever.

Like I said, this is just a bad sign if this is how this league is going to be run imo. Is this what we're going to do with slider rules too? Timelines for getting games completed? etc, etc, etc?

If we vote, we should go with that vote. If we think there should be a re-vote because of more information, there should be a re-vote.

[DeToxRox]

Honestly Wade, I have no problem with you, and sure things so far have could've gone better, but you're taking this way too serious. If you don't like it, leave. I am not saying you have to at all, and I'd love to have you come kickoff time, but if you're just going to be negative over an Xbox 360 league, then don't bother.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Honestly Wade, I have no problem with you, and sure things so far have could've gone better, but you're taking this way too serious. If you don't like it, leave. I am not saying you have to at all, and I'd love to have you come kickoff time, but if you're just going to be negative over an Xbox 360 league, then don't bother.

Way to defuse the situation there, chief.

[DeToxRox]

We're all here to have fun. I think everyone signed up for this league are good people, I just don't want to see the league turn into a bitch fest. And no I am not saying Wade is bitching, he has legit gripes, but it's the way things broke. I'd rather just fix this now before it gets out of control and we get too deep into this.

[Mike1409]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Honestly Wade, I have no problem with you, and sure things so far have could've gone better, but you're taking this way too serious. If you don't like it, leave. I am not saying you have to at all, and I'd love to have you come kickoff time, but if you're just going to be negative over an Xbox 360 league, then don't bother.

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Way to defuse the situation there, chief.

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

We're all here to have fun. I think everyone signed up for this league are good people, I just don't want to see the league turn into a bitch fest. And no I am not saying Wade is bitching, he has legit gripes, but it's the way things broke. I'd rather just fix this now before it gets out of control and we get too deep into this.

Isn't this what the commish does? I agree it is better to get all the issues out up front then have things fester?

[Grammaticus]

Uh, Wade is cool and all, but if he quits, can I have Virginia?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Way to defuse the situation there, chief.

actually, he said it nicer than i would have.

i've been following the drama in this league (well, the drama that has basically come from wade) because, fortunately, my league has been finished with picking teams a while ago.

wade should find another league to play in. he wants to bring his IHOF way of doing things, the "this decision is the most important decision and requires a completely unnecessary amount of conversation and debate to make sure what we decide on is the proper course of action" type of uber seriousness that has no place in a silly make believe league.

personally, i don't know why a draft was even held if people can take another team once the game comes out. i think that's the way it is in the NOFL also. we all started these leagues a bit too premature, but once we started talking about FOFC leagues we got a little too ahead of ourselves and over-excited and jumped the gun. in a way it's good that all this chitter chatter happened now so that there's little downtime and delay once the game is out, but the drama by wade about votes concerning a game that hasn't even come out yet is silly. why do things have to be voted, re-voted, discussed a lot. its just a silly league for a video game. i hope wade didn't act this way when it came time for cowboys and indians way back when. when did the business of setting up what should be a fun league become a business? i see what wade is saying, how such acts make having votes moot, but in the end it's just for fun. you're not gonna win any money for winning in your league, just play and have fun. no one has an agenda, if votes are overturned by the vocal few it's to make the league better, no one is trying to screw other people out. no one else seems to be causing such a big hoopla.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

actually, he said it nicer than i would have.

i've been following the drama in this league (well, the drama that has basically come from wade) because, fortunately, my league has been finished with picking teams a while ago.

wade should find another league to play in. he wants to bring his IHOF way of doing things, the "this decision is the most important decision and requires a completely unnecessary amount of conversation and debate to make sure what we decide on is the proper course of action" type of uber seriousness that has no place in a silly make believe league.

personally, i don't know why a draft was even held if people can take another team once the game comes out. i think that's the way it is in the NOFL also. we all started these leagues a bit too premature, but once we started talking about FOFC leagues we got a little too ahead of ourselves and over-excited and jumped the gun. in a way it's good that all this chitter chatter happened now so that there's little downtime and delay once the game is out, but the drama by wade about votes concerning a game that hasn't even come out yet is silly. why do things have to be voted, re-voted, discussed a lot. its just a silly league for a video game. i hope wade didn't act this way when it came time for cowboys and indians way back when. when did the business of setting up what should be a fun league become a business? i see what wade is saying, how such acts make having votes moot, but in the end it's just for fun. you're not gonna win any money for winning in your league, just play and have fun. no one has an agenda, if votes are overturned by the vocal few it's to make the league better, no one is trying to screw other people out. no one else seems to be causing such a big hoopla.

I think we "locked" into the NOFL our teams.

[Anthony]

cool, whatever. i like the Duke mascot.

[Sun Tzu]

2.3 YPC

[Eaglesfan27]

Not that this discussion even belongs in this thread, but we clearly voted to lock into our teams in the NOFL and all choices were/are binding.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Not that this discussion even belongs in this thread, but we clearly voted to lock into our teams in the NOFL and all choices were/are binding.

Hey JV get off the Varsity's field.

[Sun Tzu]

[DeToxRox]

You ought to be banned