Official 2020 College Football Thread

[tarcone]

Or baseball where a Coastal Carolina can win it all

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Mota

The thing I like most about college football is how every game is vitally important to the teams. If we expand to an 8 team playoff, that extra loss isn't a big deal, don't worry, the big name teams with 2 losses will still get tossed into the playoffs.

Another great benefit to expanding the playoff would be ending the ridiculous "rivalry week" on the last week of the season. Frequently, these games would be meaningless, so Ohio State could rest their starters against Michigan looking ahead to the playoffs. Alabama could do the same against Auburn.

Bring it on!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Another great benefit to expanding the playoff would be ending the ridiculous "rivalry week" on the last week of the season.

Those games are the best reason to play the season.

Stick with the worthless wasteland of the NFL and leave college football alone.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Another great benefit to expanding the playoff would be ending the ridiculous "rivalry week" on the last week of the season. Frequently, these games would be meaningless, so Ohio State could rest their starters against Michigan looking ahead to the playoffs. Alabama could do the same against Auburn.

Bring it on!

This post almost reads as sarcasm, but I don't think it was. Rivalry week is one of the great things about college football.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Mota

The thing I like most about college football is how every game is vitally important to the teams. If we expand to an 8 team playoff, that extra loss isn't a big deal, don't worry, the big name teams with 2 losses will still get tossed into the playoffs.

That isn't true. SEC teams can absorb a loss because the conference is so pumped up because of the pre season rankings.

Want to make things better, get rid of the preseason rankings and start ranking after week 5 or so.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Another great benefit to expanding the playoff would be ending the ridiculous "rivalry week" on the last week of the season. Frequently, these games would be meaningless, so Ohio State could rest their starters against Michigan looking ahead to the playoffs. Alabama could do the same against Auburn.

Bring it on!

I think if you polled Ohio state fans which was more important, winning a national title or beating Michigan a not insignificant number would say beating Michigan, especially when both teams are top tier programs.

[albionmoonlight]

One small tweak I'd make: No warmup games against FCS doormats. If you are an FBS school and you want to be eligible for the playoff, you can play only other FBS schools. There are too few games to help us determine the best teams as it is. It's weird that we let teams throw away some of those games by turning them into preseason games.

[Ksyrup]

They can certainly find lower level FBS teams to serve the same purpose, but I don't mind FCS games but only if you limit them to the 1st week of a team's season. I find it a bit strange that there's no preseason at all and hate seeing really bad/sloppy FB for no reason, so I don't mind an early warm-up. However, the pre-Thanksgiving rivalry speed-bump game against FCS is ridiculous.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I find it a bit strange that there's no preseason at all and hate seeing really bad/sloppy FB for no reason, so I don't mind an early warm-up.

Pre-season needs to be overhauled. They have made significant strides with free agency via the transfer portal. Next challenge will be hammering out trade agreements and implementing a salary cap.

[tarcone]

I read an article which said 12 is the number.

[sovereignstar v2]

Say it ain't so, Bo.

[albionmoonlight]

Horrific allegations coming out about Bo Schembechler this morning.

[Kodos]

Wow. That's now 3 different Big Ten schools that knowingly allowed sexual predators to run free in the name of winning. Shameful.

[BYU 14]

Sports seems to draw a disproportionate amount of these sexual predators, or at least sports protects them more, allowing their victim lists to grow much larger than may be seen in other sectors.

The guy below was a legend in Utah Baseball circles and also a predator, which I know because he attempted to "proposition" me as a 15 year old kid in 1978. He used to eat at the restaurant I worked at and convinced me to stop by Derks field on my way home from work, ostensibly to interview for a job on the grounds keeping crew. I won't go into details, but I was fortunate to get out of the situation unharmed and untouched.

Angelo “Snake� Cerroni (1928-2018) - Find A Grave Memorial

Obviously though I never forgot the incident, but I never told anyone either, whether out of shame, fear, or the fact that I was a kid and didn't know if they would believe me, who knows. But, one thing that bothers me to this day. What if I had said something? Maybe I save someone else from being preyed upon? As you can see he was involved in Baseball as a coach and other capacities for most of his adult life and I am positive I was not an isolated case.

Partly because he practically admitted as much when he tried to prey on me. The fucker is gone now, but you can see form his obit how much he was adored in his local community, all the while hiding a demented dark side. I would see his name in the paper from time to time as an adult before I moved away form Utah and it would always conjure up a lot of rage, year after the fact.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Wow. That's now 3 different Big Ten schools that knowingly allowed sexual predators to run free in the name of winning. Shameful.

At least 4 that I can think of, Penn St., MSU, UM, and OSU.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

or at least sports protects them more

I would imagine that that's it. When the culture is Just Win Baby and If You Aren't Cheating, You Aren't Trying, then I think that it is easier to cover all wrongdoing up. This is just a really really fucked up part of that.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Sports seems to draw a disproportionate amount of these sexual predators, or at least sports protects them more, allowing their victim lists to grow much larger than may be seen in other sectors.

The guy below was a legend in Utah Baseball circles and also a predator, which I know because he attempted to "proposition" me as a 15 year old kid in 1978. He used to eat at the restaurant I worked at and convinced me to stop by Derks field on my way home from work, ostensibly to interview for a job on the grounds keeping crew. I won't go into details, but I was fortunate to get out of the situation unharmed and untouched.

Angelo “Snake� Cerroni (1928-2018) - Find A Grave Memorial

Obviously though I never forgot the incident, but I never told anyone either, whether out of shame, fear, or the fact that I was a kid and didn't know if they would believe me, who knows. But, one thing that bothers me to this day. What if I had said something? Maybe I save someone else from being preyed upon? As you can see he was involved in Baseball as a coach and other capacities for most of his adult life and I am positive I was not an isolated case.

Partly because he practically admitted as much when he tried to prey on me. The fucker is gone now, but you can see form his obit how much he was adored in his local community, all the while hiding a demented dark side. I would see his name in the paper from time to time as an adult before I moved away form Utah and it would always conjure up a lot of rage, year after the fact.

I'm really sorry you experienced that, man.

[sovereignstar v2]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

At least 4 that I can think of, Penn St., MSU, UM, and OSU.

Minnesota: Hold my beer.

Lawsuit: University concealed recruit's sexual abuse by 1980s Gophers hockey assistant - StarTribune.com

[Ksyrup]

This opens the door in a one-in-a-million year for multiple non-P5 teams to get an automatic bid. A couple of undefeated G6 teams and, say, a 9-4 Pac-12 champ and you could get 2 G6ers in. Interesting.

The recommendation from the CFP's working group will be a 12-team model, sources tell @TheAthletic. Six highest-ranked conference champions + six at-large spots.

— Nicole Auerbach (@NicoleAuerbach) June 10, 2021

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

This opens the door in a one-in-a-million year for multiple non-P5 teams to get an automatic bid. A couple of undefeated G6 teams and, say, a 9-4 Pac-12 champ and you could get 2 G6ers in. Interesting.

Actually, if that proposed system had been in effect last year, #25 Oregon would not have gotten a bid, as seven other conference champions finished higher ranked than them. If they want to appease the Pac 12, they better include all ten conference champions to ensure they get a berth.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I'm really sorry you experienced that, man.

Thanks, but to affirm, I really consider myself fortunate. It could have gone south, and I was able to avoid that. Definitely no lingering harm to myself personally, but that regret that I didn't say something to maybe help others avoid it.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

This opens the door in a one-in-a-million year for multiple non-P5 teams to get an automatic bid. A couple of undefeated G6 teams and, say, a 9-4 Pac-12 champ and you could get 2 G6ers in. Interesting.

The recommendation from the CFP's working group will be a 12-team model, sources tell @TheAthletic. Six highest-ranked conference champions + six at-large spots.

— Nicole Auerbach (@NicoleAuerbach) June 10, 2021

I actually like this a lot, but know you wonder about shenanigan's with the CFP committee maybe "over seeding" P5 teams, but honestly if you are ranked outside of the top 15 should you really get a shot anyway?

[molson]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

I actually like this a lot, but know you wonder about shenanigan's with the CFP committee maybe "over seeding" P5 teams, but honestly if you are ranked outside of the top 15 should you really get a shot anyway?

Probably not, but teams outside the top 40 bitch about not getting an at-large NCAA basketball tournament spot.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

This opens the door in a one-in-a-million year for multiple non-P5 teams to get an automatic bid. A couple of undefeated G6 teams and, say, a 9-4 Pac-12 champ and you could get 2 G6ers in. Interesting.

The recommendation from the CFP's working group will be a 12-team model, sources tell @TheAthletic. Six highest-ranked conference champions + six at-large spots.

— Nicole Auerbach (@NicoleAuerbach) June 10, 2021

*Waits for University Presidents to smack idea down for another decade*

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by bronconick

*Waits for University Presidents to smack idea down for another decade*

We can only hope.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

One small tweak I'd make: No warmup games against FCS doormats. If you are an FBS school and you want to be eligible for the playoff, you can play only other FBS schools. There are too few games to help us determine the best teams as it is. It's weird that we let teams throw away some of those games by turning them into preseason games.

The problem with this is these FCS schools literally fund their program for the season with the payoff from those games. That rule would probably decimate a lot of teams.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The problem with this is these FCS schools literally fund their program for the season with the payoff from those games. That rule would probably decimate a lot of teams.

Yeah, these games are a lifeline for FCS schools, so at best you limit it to 1 and dictate it must be played in the first 2 weeks of the season, to get rid of the Alabama vs Joe Dirt State Tech the week before they play Auburn, or whoever.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The problem with this is these FCS schools literally fund their program for the season with the payoff from those games. That rule would probably decimate a lot of teams.

Not to mention there are schools that have tried that and it just doesn't work. WVU (and others) tried to cut FCS programs out of their schedule at one point and with football budgets being set based on a certain number of home games it can become impossible to find the right match for a game.

I don't have a problem with the FCS games, but agree they should be limited to 1 per season and fall within the first 2-3 weeks of the start of the season.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Yeah, these games are a lifeline for FCS schools, so at best you limit it to 1 and dictate it must be played in the first 2 weeks of the season, to get rid of the Alabama vs Joe Dirt State Tech the week before they play Auburn, or whoever.

So they just shuffle their open date around instead.

You'll no doubt be relieved to know that 2021 finds only Georgia, Kentucky, and Texas A&M with FCS opponents the week before their season ending rivalry game. In the ACC, only UNC has one.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

This opens the door in a one-in-a-million year for multiple non-P5 teams to get an automatic bid. A couple of undefeated G6 teams and, say, a 9-4 Pac-12 champ and you could get 2 G6ers in. Interesting.

The recommendation from the CFP's working group will be a 12-team model, sources tell @TheAthletic. Six highest-ranked conference champions + six at-large spots.
— Nicole Auerbach (@NicoleAuerbach) June 10, 2021

I'm sure pollsters will just adjust by bumping up mediocre P5 schools. The token top 15 ranking stuff was just that - most of the time, it was to make them look like they got credit when, really, they never did since there's nothing on the line for ranking a 0-loss small school over a 4-loss SEC team. Instead of G6 teams falling just outside of the top 10 or whatever, now they'll fall just outside the top 12: "so close, if only they had scheduled better" (or whatever platitude).

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Sports seems to draw a disproportionate amount of these sexual predators, or at least sports protects them more, allowing their victim lists to grow much larger than may be seen in other sectors.

The guy below was a legend in Utah Baseball circles and also a predator, which I know because he attempted to "proposition" me as a 15 year old kid in 1978. He used to eat at the restaurant I worked at and convinced me to stop by Derks field on my way home from work, ostensibly to interview for a job on the grounds keeping crew. I won't go into details, but I was fortunate to get out of the situation unharmed and untouched.

Angelo “Snake� Cerroni (1928-2018) - Find A Grave Memorial

Obviously though I never forgot the incident, but I never told anyone either, whether out of shame, fear, or the fact that I was a kid and didn't know if they would believe me, who knows. But, one thing that bothers me to this day. What if I had said something? Maybe I save someone else from being preyed upon? As you can see he was involved in Baseball as a coach and other capacities for most of his adult life and I am positive I was not an isolated case.

Partly because he practically admitted as much when he tried to prey on me. The fucker is gone now, but you can see form his obit how much he was adored in his local community, all the while hiding a demented dark side. I would see his name in the paper from time to time as an adult before I moved away form Utah and it would always conjure up a lot of rage, year after the fact.

Not on the same scale but my wife had a miniature version of this. In her small town, the local high school football coach and also taught 3rd grade. He was the type of "man" whose wife had his balls in a jar at home so he took it out on little kids in his day job and on high school kids on the football field. He bullied the kids, picking on them and calling them names, and also pitted them against each other so they wouldn't gang up on him or get him in trouble. My wife wrote some things on the chalkboard about him (drew him as a pig or something like that) and kindof got in trouble but not really as I think a number of the other teachers and school administrators knew what was up and, from that point on, he mostly stopped picking on her (though he did still like to go after her friends).

She went back to a high school reunion a few years ago and his name came up as they were talking about some of the teachers they had, at all levels in school (again, small town). The teacher had died and his name was on the local football field and someone mentioned how he was a jerk. Universally, around the room, there was agreement - everyone knew he was a jerk but no one could do or did anything about it. Like 30 years later, everyone remembered him and the trauma he caused but, even after the guy had died, no one had anything good to say about him. And he was in a position of power for decades.

And this was just a small town football coach. I can only imagine how much more power major college program coaches or politicians or CEOs wield and how much awful stuff they get away with.

SI

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I'm sure pollsters will just adjust by bumping up mediocre P5 schools. The token top 15 ranking stuff was just that - most of the time, it was to make them look like they got credit when, really, they never did since there's nothing on the line for ranking a 0-loss small school over a 4-loss SEC team. Instead of G6 teams falling just outside of the top 10 or whatever, now they'll fall just outside the top 12: "so close, if only they had scheduled better" (or whatever platitude).
SI

The pollsters can do whatever they want to, as the polls are basically meaningless since the inception of the playoff and playoff committee. The committee so far hasn't done anything indicative of manipulating the ratings, and I doubt that will be the case moving forward.

Even if they did, last year there would have been two Group of Five automatic qualifiers (Cincinnati and Coastal Carolina), both conference champions who finished ranked way ahead of Pac Twelve champion Oregon.

[sterlingice]

All I'm saying is that the committee will find any excuse they can to keep out the G5 teams and we'll see a lot of them finishing 13-16 now that there's something on the line and they'll be falling over themselves to explain how a 4-loss SEC team and a 3-loss Big 10 team are more deserving.

SI

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

All I'm saying is that the committee will find any excuse they can to keep out the G5 teams and we'll see a lot of them finishing 13-16 now that there's something on the line and they'll be falling over themselves to explain how a 4-loss SEC team and a 3-loss Big 10 team are more deserving.
SI

I guess we can agree to disagree on this, but there has been nothing to indicate this will happen. Four of the playoff committee members are from non-Power Five schools, and the ones that are from Power Five schools recuse themselves whenever their particular school is being discussed. The integrity has been impeccable so far.

[Vegas Vic]

I was just watching ESPN for a few minutes, and their "college football expert" Heather Dinish (sp?) predicted that the Big 12 would have two teams in the college football playoff this year, Iowa State and Oklahoma.

Without arguing the merit of that prediction, can someone tell me what this woman's credentials are, and how she rose to prominence to become a "college football expert"?

[sovereignstar v2]

LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

Thanks for offering to do that, as I'm really pressed for time today and don't have the time to look into it. I'm looking forward to seeing what you're able to find out.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Thanks for offering to do that, as I'm really pressed for time today and don't have the time to look into it. I'm looking forward to seeing what you're able to find out.

Bullshit. You could've found the answer (as I did) in less time than it took you to type either of your posts about her, but that would've prevented you from insinuating that a woman shouldn't be involved in sports journalism.

[sovereignstar v2]

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Bullshit. You could've found the answer (as I did) in less time than it took you to type either of your posts about her, but that would've prevented you from insinuating that a woman shouldn't be involved in sports journalism.

Your assertion is unfounded. My question was about this specific woman. Some of the most talented analysts in the business are women; I see Suzy Kolber, Doris Burke and Rachel Nichols several times per week on ESPN. They're all outstanding. There are also plenty of male analysts that have no business being on television. How the hell did Skip Bayless ever get a prominent position as a sports analyst?

And yes, I know how to use "Google". My comment about being pressed for time was tongue in cheek. I read Dinich's bio and some other stuff. Apparently, she likes the ACC and thinks the SEC is vastly overrated. If anyone knows how she got appointed as ESPN's college football expert, I'd be interested to hear about it.

[Ksyrup]

She used to cover the ACC before getting promoted to all of CFB, I guess? I don't watch much ESPN coverage anymore and haven't been to ESPN.com in years, but I remember her covering FSU stuff as part of ACC coverage.

[tarcone]

I predict the end of the world if Iowa and Iowa State both make the playoff. (It could happen this year).

[ISiddiqui]

https://twitter.com/SportsLawLust/st...894581257?s=19

"🚨BREAKING:

Per @TheAthletic, the D1 Board of Directors has voted to approve the NCAA’s proposed NIL policy.

Now, college athletes in each of the 50 states will be able to monetize their names, images and likenesses starting tomorrow on July 1st.

It is the dawn of the NIL era! https://t.co/a2ApMd3bcV"

Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Per @TheAthletic, the D1 Board of Directors has voted to approve the NCAA’s proposed NIL policy.

The NCAA needed some positive press. It hadn't been a good week for them, getting smacked down by the Supreme Court 9-0, then screwing NC State's baseball team out of the College World Series via a cowardly tweet made at 2:00 AM when everyone was asleep.

[tarcone]

NCAA Football 2022 here we come!

[NobodyHere]

So what's locker room chemistry going to be like when you have players with big money endorsements playing with guys that get zilch?

I've always been a fan of players getting private dollars but this is going to be a headache for some coaches.

[tarcone]

And the inflated egos. Ooof

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

So what's locker room chemistry going to be like when you have players with big money endorsements playing with guys get zilch?

I've always been a fan of players getting private dollars but this is going to be a headache for some coaches.

How is it in any professional locker room?

[Ksyrup]

Can't wait for the first rash of college athlete endorsements that get canceled due to DUIs, rapes, thefts, etc. Should be interesting to watch this all play out.

[albionmoonlight]

I am fascinated by this.

The "shut up and play; you kids are lucky to be here; if you say or do anything deemed wrong, they should take away your scholarship and kill your mother" mindset is very strong among a lot of CFB fans.

How will those people react when that 19 year old kid is making more money than they are?

Totally totally fascinated.