Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[Mr. Wednesday]

What's the plan on services for today?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

That's certainly reasonable from the meta-gaming point of view, although I can see some meta-issues.

I suppose it is possible that a Tarq can pick how he wants to kill someone. Although I think it is more likely the Tarqs kill is by poison. And on that theory, possibly each Tarq has a specific way to kill, but probably not by sword. So as not to mix with the assassins.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I went from page 90, which gives me the end of yesterday plus all of today. It's going to have to do...

Actually not a bad start. I'm not sure what you mean by page 90 as we only have 61 pages.

[Mr. Wednesday]

You must be on 45 posts per page — I'm on 30.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

What's the plan on services for today?

We haven't really compiled a plan so far, and I'm trying to figure out what the best move is for me. Anxietus has said he is going to bid for the sword killer, but I don't know that anyone else has stated an intention.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Is the function of the priest established?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

You must be on 45 posts per page — I'm on 30.

Makes sense, I'm on 50 per page.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

In light of events I'd like Barkeep and Path to explain their votes yesterday a bit more closely than they have done.

I'd also like to hear who has got my services today and what they intend to do with them. Not who you plan to scan but whether you intend to defend someone with them.

And I'd be very interested in hearing who's got the swordsman.

I stated at the time my reasons:
Anxiety has trusted me. I didn't have a strong read on either and so that was good enough.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Is the function of the priest established?

I believe it allows the player to compel someone to change their vote or direct their vote where you want it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

OBTW... I don't think I have anything to lose by doing this...
Misterus Wednesdaius sues everyone.

It's not like I have a lot of money to begin with... or like there should be any evidence of treason to be uncovered...

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Anxiety, how do you know AE is cleared? Are you relying on the lawyer investigation of no evidence of wrong doing?

Right, which is why I said in a previous post, cleared of previous wrongdoing, not certified as a republican

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by path12

You can't bid if you're arrested, right? I know I can't today.

My bid today, path, is free.

[Tyrith]

Tyrith sues path12

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Autumn

1. I don't see how this avoids lawyer tricks. If you were successfully defended you might get off again.

2. If both you and AE were bad, or if there are some other bad guy bidding tricks up your sleeve AE or someone else could get the sword killer anyway.

If everybody in the Senate is agreed that they're going to execute you tomorrow, then perhaps this makes sense. But seems rather a large gamble to take to only arrest one person. We made that mistake many times in the beginning of this game. We could learn something between now and tomorrow night that either clears you or condemns AE. If so, our hands would be tied and our time wasted.

It's a noble offer, but it seems to have a lot of loopholes to it, and the only advantage I see being that Ardentus is free to bid tomorrow. What do others think? I don't think we've heard who Passus Calligus is planning on arresting anyway.

Look, here are the two main proposals:

1), Arrest me an AE. Your argument that someotnhing could happen to clear me stands, but if I am cealerd, say bvy today's seer, AND arrested, then that clears AE by extension. So you;d be stuck voting someone off that is cleared. That is why you shouldn;t have either AE and me to choose from. Its a bad strategy.

2). Arrest just me. If somethings does happen to clear me, then at least no republicans can die. I will bid on the sword killer today. If I end up with a lawyer, then you know I'm lying. When I had the option to send a lawyer to the Senate earlier, it was to prosecute. I won't habe a laywer, and noone can send one to help me. If you want to kill me, then commit - stop playing footsie. If you think my death is the Rosetta Stone, then I'm not going to stand in your way.

[Barkeep49]

I have to leave shortly and have no idea about who to vote for. Gah! Not having found one bad guy so far has just made it so hard for me to get a handle on this game. I think that KWhit is good. He's got a pretty tight circle around him. If he's bad, I think we start dominoes. If he's good I think we've vastly narrowed the field. With path, if he turns up bad I'm not sure where we go from there and if he's good I know I'll feel the same way about tomorrow's candidates.

Therefore in order to increase our abilities for tomorrow

Vote KWhit

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think I've seen a coherent argument advanced against Kayus Whittus. What's the argument against Pathus Twelvus?

[Abe Sargent]

I have to vote path. Why? Because I scanned KWhit. I have never scanned path. Plus, I have to vote. I'd rather not vote path if I don;t have to, but it appears I have no real choice in the matter.


Vote Path to Die

[path12]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

My bid today, path, is free.

My bad, Abe. I read that wrong.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Tyrith sues path12

Frankly, I'd rather be sued than tossed.

[Tyrith]

This is the downside of having CR as a consul...if we KNEW he had arrested Anxiety then we could for sure have Pass arrest someone else and then have some options. As it stands, we are somewhat screwed.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by path12

Frankly, I'd rather be sued than tossed.

If you're alive tomorrow I want to take a shot at you, see if I can finally climb up the ladder...probably too late, but it's worth a shot.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I think I've seen a coherent argument advanced against Kayus Whittus. What's the argument against Pathus Twelvus?

I've been quiet. Well, Chief had a reason that I ended up on a list of people who could have hired the swordsman on day one and I believe day four or five, but I'm on record as attempting to hire the priest day one (though of course that's not proof). I actually haven't seen Ironus Headus' reason for arresting me.

But the quietness is a valid charge. Had trouble getting my head around a lot of this and I have been quieter as a result.

[Ironhead]

Path - for the record I arrested you for a couple of reasons. One was that you are a veteran player that has been under the radar. Something that kept troubling me in going back through all of your posts was that you were constantly asking questions about who had what service and whether certain things could be done with what services. You seem to ask a lot of questions about everyone else or make certain statements but then you never seem to follow it up much analysis. It almost seems to me like information gathering, or that you are trying to lead people somewhere. This is where I am at bit of a loss as a new player to Werewolf as I don't know individual players styles.

It also troubled me that you have been in the middle to higher part of the wealth bracket the entire game but we know next to nothing about your service history. Sure, you have claimed to lose some bids. I don't recall you claiming to win any, and lost service bid claims can be faked.

[Passacaglia]

Like I said before, I'm worried about KWhit. I believe he was the one who hired the killer the other night.

VOTE KAYUS WHITUS

[Mr. Wednesday]

Ironhead, my characterization of path's style when he's a good guy is that he tends more toward the quiet end of the spectrum, but he tends to offer a lot of value when he posts.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Ironhead

Path - for the record I arrested you for a couple of reasons. One was that you are a veteran player that has been under the radar. Something that kept troubling me in going back through all of your posts was that you were constantly asking questions about who had what service and whether certain things could be done with what services. You seem to ask a lot of questions about everyone else or make certain statements but then you never seem to follow it up much analysis. It almost seems to me like information gathering, or that you are trying to lead people somewhere. This is where I am at bit of a loss as a new player to Werewolf as I don't know individual players styles.

It also troubled me that you have been in the middle to higher part of the wealth bracket the entire game but we know next to nothing about your service history. Sure, you have claimed to lose some bids. I don't recall you claiming to win any, and lost service bid claims can be faked.

Crap, I had a big response typed up and just lost the damn thing. Short version:

I appreciate you letting me know your reasons. I did win Maximus the bodyguard day 2 or 3 and used him to protect Barkeep as consul. That's my only win so far. I don't know why.

As for playing UTR this game: As I've said, I stupidly didn't put together notes for this game, which I would normally do in a game this size. That in combination with some time issues early got me very lost. I'm not one to post unless I have something to add, and that hasn't really happened this game, unfortunately. I am good by the way, but not terribly useful so far.

But again, I do appreciate you putting down your reasons for the arrest.

[Grammaticus]

I may not be on for a while, so I am casting my vote. This is really for the fact that we have the most to learn from tossing Khayus whitus:

Vote to toss Khayus Whitus to the rock

[Autumn]

I'm back on. Read Anxietus's proposal to arrest just him. I'm obviously not in control of that, and I don't know what Pass is planning. I'm unsure how to proceed with the proposal. If Anxietus is good, it certainly works out for us, unless his scan of AE was somehow faulty or incomplete. If Anxietus is bad but AE is good, then it definitely works out in our favor, unless there's some hidden catch I haven't thought of. At this point in the game I'm paranoid enough to think there could be. However, if both of them are bad it definitely doesn't work in our favor.

I don't want to be singled out by Anxiety to make this decision. His arrest is the one I'm supporting mostly, and it seems there's other voices calilng out for Ardentus. I'll let other people voice their opinions.

[Autumn]

Given the likelihood that there's a traitor among the rich, I'm going to continue suing them.

I SUE ABEUS ANXIETUS
ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
MUSTANGUS
GRAMMUS ATTICUS

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Given the likelihood that there's a traitor among the rich, I'm going to continue suing them.

I SUE ABEUS ANXIETUS
ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS
MUSTANGUS
GRAMMUS ATTICUS

Only the first day I've ever been 'rich' where I could actually bid on someone and have a very good chance of winning the bid.

[Mustang]

Speaking of rich, I have seen no declaration of who is bidding on what really.

[Autumn]

It sounds like Anxietus is going for the sword killer. I imagine Ardentus might be too, but I don't think he said. I would say maybe the lawyer is the next priority? Or bodyguards? I still haven't seen any clue who Passus is arresting, so I don't know which lawyer to bid on.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Only the first day I've ever been 'rich' where I could actually bid on someone and have a very good chance of winning the bid.

Yes, sorry, I should clarify. I'm not suing you because you mgiht be the rich traitor, but just because I don't want to see anybody get sitting too pretty up at the top of the wealth standings. So I've been suing all the wealthiest brackets for a few days now.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Incidentally, is there any reason why I should limit my suits so that I'm not suing everyone?

As one of the less wealthy, I don't see that I have anything to gain by announcing what I'm bidding for before the deadline. Any contrary opinions?

[Autumn]

There is a limit to how many the courts can handle, but I haven't seen many going through, so basically no no reason to limit.

Probably no reason not to announce your bid either, but without a set plan for everyone I'm less apt to announce mine either. I wish we had gotten together this morning on that.

[Mr. Wednesday]

In terms of a set plan, though, that's best for the people who have higher priority on acquiring services. It'd be nice to have an idea of which services are being taken by the wealthy so that I don't waste my effort.

[Mustang]

I'm more apt to believe that this sudden reluctance to share bidding information means that some of the higher ups are possibly Tarqs.

One thing I dont' understand, if KWhit was cleared by 2 others, why are we executing him? I'm just not following the logic right now.

For now - Vote Free KWhit

[Mr. Wednesday]

How is Anxiety alleged to have scanned KWhit — via a lawyer hire, or via innate ability?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, and who else is alleged to have scanned him?

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

In terms of a set plan, though, that's best for the people who have higher priority on acquiring services. It'd be nice to have an idea of which services are being taken by the wealthy so that I don't waste my effort.

Best to always put something in. It is my guess that you are probably a loyalist. I think if you were a Tarq, it would have kept either LSG or Chubby in the game easier... I think it is easier to just throw out names right now if you are a Tarq than it is to be logical if you are a loyalist since I don't think there is a real clear cut idea on anything right now..

[Mr. Wednesday]

Oh, I'll definitely put something in. Haven't decided what, yet.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Dola, and who else is alleged to have scanned him?

Post 2813.. I was looking for some contradiction to that.

[Mr. Wednesday]

OK, so CW scanned him (through indeterminate means... probably the same as Anxiety?).

On the one hand, it'd be a pretty bold move for two Tarqs to vouch for a third... on the second, the vouch might put the third into a pretty good level of trust... on the third hand, at what level are we relying on the accuracy of the results, CW and Anxiety, or the method they used to do the scan?

[Mr. Wednesday]

dola, that is, if they both used ardent to scan, for the sake of argument, could both CW and Anxiety be good guys, but have gotten bad information if ardent were a bad dude? Or do we have some sort of confirmation that their method were reliable (e.g. used a lawyer who's now dead and who was revealed as good)?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Geez, for an approaching deadline, this place is pretty quiet.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Mustang

I'm more apt to believe that this sudden reluctance to share bidding information means that some of the higher ups are possibly Tarqs.

One thing I dont' understand, if KWhit was cleared by 2 others, why are we executing him? I'm just not following the logic right now.

For now - Vote Free KWhit

I want to point out a couple things:

One, realize that you have to vote for executing KWhit or Pathus, you can't just vote to Free someone anymore.

Anxietus supposedly scanned KWhit using the lawyer's ability. KWhit was also scanned the same way by Coffeeus Warlord (who was just killed by Ardentus recently), and someone else? Or did Anxietus scan him twice? God, I can't remember. It's the fact that he was scanned repeatedly, and by teh same circle of people several of whom have been very suspect that makes it suspect, since we can't confirm those scans. It seems to me like a traitor wasting a scan while trying to look loyal.

Lastly I think the bidding problem is that Chiefus Rumus had been organizing the bidding, and didn't have time to today and nobody picked up the slack. Still, I agree, there are probably rich traitors.

[Ironhead]

TOSS PATH12 OFF THE ROCK

Nothing more than a hunch but I felt enough of something to arrest him. I really don't think KWhit is bad, and feel the chances of Path being bad are higher. There really is no proof out there one way or another for either of these two.

I will tell you one thing. If Narcizo is still alive in the morning and no one claims a BG block I am going to start becoming very suspicious of our two lawyers.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

dola, that is, if they both used ardent to scan, for the sake of argument, could both CW and Anxiety be good guys, but have gotten bad information if ardent were a bad dude? Or do we have some sort of confirmation that their method were reliable (e.g. used a lawyer who's now dead and who was revealed as good)?

We don't know yet whether the scan just determines they weren't up to no good that night, or is all inclusive. My inclination is that it is all inclusive.

We have some confirmation that the lawyers have no control or knowledge of the process and therefore presumably can't influence it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Autumnus, if you look at the post cited by Mustangus, you'll see that Kayus claims to have been cleared by Coffeus in addition to Abeus.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Autumn

We have some confirmation that the lawyers have no control or knowledge of the process and therefore presumably can't influence it.

I wasn't necessarily thinking of direct influence or knowledge, but I was suspecting that possibly if one or both of the lawyers were Tarqs and an attempt was made to scan a Tarq, then it might come up clean without the direct action of the lawyer involved, as a sort of passive defense.