The Trump Presidency – 2016

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

NY won't get ventilators because Trump thinks they're lying.

I bet if it was a state that voted heavily for Trump they would get 50,000 ventilators+

[Brian Swartz]

The idiocy of the House leaving until there was something to vote on is on full display now. Some of them who aren't in quarantine can't even get back for the vote due to flights being cancelled.

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I bet if it was a state that voted heavily for Trump they would get 50,000 ventilators+

Trump doesn't have that many to give. It was just an opportunity for him to parade his ignorance, and also earns him points with those who say it's overblown and let's just go back to work already.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I bet if it was a state that voted heavily for Trump they would get 50,000 ventilators+

KY FTW!!!!!!



HONEY!!! WE'RE GOIN' OUT TONIGHT!!!

[Edward64]

Unfortunately it seems he has pretty solid support from his base.

Trump trashes ‘third-rate grandstander’ Rep. Thomas Massie - New York Daily News

President Trump trashed Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) as a “third-rate Grandstander” after the Tea Party conservative held up the $2.2 trillion coronavirus stimulus bill.

Taking a rare swipe at a member of his right-wing base, Trump said Massie is forcing an in-person debate on the bill because he “just wants the publicity.”
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Massie is a fiscal hawk who objects on principle to budget-busting measures. He regularly takes lonely stands against popular relief bills for natural disasters and other national needs. He even cast the one vote against a bill making lynching a federal hate crime.

The fourth-term lawmaker represents a deep-red northern Kentucky district and has won reelection by nearly 2-1 margins in recent contests.

[PilotMan]

Massie is my Rep, and he's like Rand Paul lite. He is the exact same kind of grandstander Paul is.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Trump wants the GOP to kick out Massie. Wow.

I know I'm a asshole but I'm glad at least one person (Massie) is bringing up the national debt.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Massie is my Rep, and he's like Rand Paul lite. He is the exact same kind of grandstander Paul is.

I guess this means it's not date night tonight since you won't be getting the ventilators from Trump.

[PilotMan]

Fuck you Edward. You ruin everything.




















/s in case anyone had any fucking doubt.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I know I'm a asshole but I'm glad at least one person (Massie) is bringing up the national debt.

Honestly, $2.2T to save the economy, significantly help the jobless and less fortunate, not go into a Depression is pretty good deal (assuming it works well) during this national crisis.

He did vote for the Trump tax cuts.

But yes, the conversation needs to be had to decrease the deficit after this crisis. Unfortunately, neither party will have the stomach for it.

[albionmoonlight]

Spending 2T now is going to help the debt.

It is like spending $50 for a patch to stop a water leak that would otherwise cause $10,000 of damage to your floor. Then you repair the leak.

And, yes, once you get the leak under control, you then turn toward the budget.

[albionmoonlight]

As much as I have been pretty skeptical of the feds' response, I have been amazed at how hard my state and local governments have been working on this.

I come out of this with a new appreciation for states' rights. Yeah, federalism!

[Brian Swartz]

I don't think it's going to stop a depression - I think a global one is coming no matter what. I do think it'll make it less severe and get us out of it faster, so yeah it's a bargain. But not everyone sees it that way.

Was talking to somebody yesterday who is mostly concerned about the cultural impact, not the viral or economic ones. I.e., the idea that as a species we have to go on and keep moving forward or it doesn't matter if we save ourselves from the virus, what we'll have lost in terms of social vitality, pushing towards the future instead of shrinking back in fear, etc. will be worse.

There's definitely something in a lot of people that reacts primally and adversely to the ideas both of isolation itself, but also being told to do so.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

As much as I have been pretty skeptical of the feds' response, I have been amazed at how hard my state and local governments have been working on this.

I come out of this with a new appreciation for states' rights. Yeah, federalism!

Depends on the state (the inherent weakness in states' rights ). I've been disappointed by Governor Kemp's response (GA). Mayor Lance Bottoms of Atlanta has been really good, but I live outside of city limits. Thankfully Dekalb County's CEO came out strongly this past week for staying at home - I don't know if there is an order though (there should be).

[molson]

Idaho did a 180 and locked down after having almost no response on the state level. It's been confusing for some of the people. People are calling the police on people walking their dogs and on construction workers. There are rumors going around that the police are stopping everyone and demanding to see their papers. (The police are just hoping that if they drive up on a group of people at a park they'll disperse now).

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I don't think it's going to stop a depression - I think a global one is coming no matter what. I do think it'll make it less severe and get us out of it faster, so yeah it's a bargain. But not everyone sees it that way.

Was talking to somebody yesterday who is mostly concerned about the cultural impact, not the viral or economic ones. I.e., the idea that as a species we have to go on and keep moving forward or it doesn't matter if we save ourselves from the virus, what we'll have lost in terms of social vitality, pushing towards the future instead of shrinking back in fear, etc. will be worse.

There's definitely something in a lot of people that reacts primally and adversely to the ideas both of isolation itself, but also being told to do so.

I'm not sure how you can have a mandatory shut down of much of the economy and NOT have a depression.

[Brian Swartz]

True. Also true is that you can't have an unchecked virus rampaging through the country (the other alternative) and not have a depression either.

[albionmoonlight]

The trolley problem here is between (1) economic recession/depression and more death or (2) economic recession/depression and less death.

What we need to do is clear.

But I actually have a lot of sympathy for the folks who believe that there is a way out of this without a recession/depression and without more death. I WANT that to be true so much. And it just seems crazy that it can't be true.

But all of the evidence points toward that simply not being possible.

And I really hope that we end up making the choice that we need to make, not the choice that we want to make.

[albionmoonlight]

dola

Every morning, I check the headlines hoping/expecting to see something like "Scientists find that [Cheaply produced drug X] found to cure coronavirus in infected patients!"

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I know I'm a asshole but I'm glad at least one person (Massie) is bringing up the national debt.

He didn't care when the tax cuts he voted for rang up almost this much debt over the past two years. He doesn't care about the debt, he cares about limiting government spending.

[stevew]

Can we just give Kentucky back to the confederacy already

[Brian Swartz]

Another fine example of tolerance on display.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

True. Also true is that you can't have an unchecked virus rampaging through the country (the other alternative) and not have a depression either.

We are going to have a recession however IMO a depression is not yet a done deal.

Depression (economics - Wikipedia)

In the United States the National Bureau of Economic Research determines contractions and expansions in the business cycle, but does not declare depressions.[1] Generally, periods labeled depressions are marked by a substantial and sustained shortfall of the ability to purchase goods relative to the amount that could be produced using current resources and technology (potential output).[2] Another proposed definition of depression includes two general rules:[3][4]

a decline in real GDP exceeding 10%, or
a recession lasting 2 or more years.

There are also differences in the duration of depression across definitions. Some economists refer only to the period when economic activity is declining. The more common use, however, also encompasses the time until the economic activity has returned close to normal levels.[1]

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

He didn't care when the tax cuts he voted for rang up almost this much debt over the past two years. He doesn't care about the debt, he cares about limiting government spending.

I was going to point this out but I guess my job here is done.


He really doesn't give two whits about the debt just like the GOP has no leg to stand on when talking about fiscal accountability the last three years.


SI

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by stevew

Can we just give Kentucky back to the confederacy already

Only if Alabama and Mississippi goes with them.

[Jas_lov]

A quorum is present and the motion is adopted.

[JPhillips]

Unless we do something this year, things are going to be ugly next year. Insurance rates are almost certainly going to skyrocket with what is going to be spent on the virus and state and local governments are going to have to make some severe cuts in their next budgets, which will mean a lot of government layoffs and reduced spending.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

The trolley problem here is between (1) economic recession/depression and more death or (2) economic recession/depression and less death.

What we need to do is clear.

But I actually have a lot of sympathy for the folks who believe that there is a way out of this without a recession/depression and without more death. I WANT that to be true so much. And it just seems crazy that it can't be true.

But all of the evidence points toward that simply not being possible.

And I really hope that we end up making the choice that we need to make, not the choice that we want to make.

I don't see things that simply. Your example above acts like an economic recession/depression is a simple binary thing when it's not.

A Depression will also lead to loss of life via suicide, drug overdoses, loss of access to healthcare etc... and I'm worried the prevention will be worse than the cure here.

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

dola

Every morning, I check the headlines hoping/expecting to see something like "Scientists find that [Cheaply produced drug X] found to cure coronavirus in infected patients!"

I hope for headlines that say "Advancement in sex bot technology!"

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Massie is my Rep, and he's like Rand Paul lite. He is the exact same kind of grandstander Paul is.

Wait, it came to me Mitch, Paul & Massie are all representing KY. Must be the water or something.

[Edward64]

Welp, bill passed the House. Let's hope this helps significantly.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Wait, it came to me Mitch, Paul & Massie are all representing KY. Must be the water or something.

Loved and revered by many.....


However, the NKY suburbs did come out for Beshear last year over Bevin, so there's some sliver of hope. Or something like that anyway.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Not sure I have ever seen anything quite so narcissistic


[IMG][/IMG]

A couple days after I got this, I got a letter from Trumps campaign wanting me to buy a MAGA hat. I could donate to his campaign. Anywhere from $50 to $2800.

Guy is out of touch with reality.

[Lathum]

Just got lost in this rabbit hole. Christ this guy really is the worst.

Trump Twitter Archive

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Welp, bill passed the House. Let's hope this helps significantly.

If you make more than $99K or less than Delta Airlines, not really.

[CrimsonFox]

that sick cheeto just said no to NY emergency requests for ventilators.
That prick just wants to be popular and throw tantrums if he isn't

He's killing people.

ANd great Koch is whining about the economy now.

[stevew]

GM making ventilators sounds like a pretty bad idea

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by stevew

GM making ventilators sounds like a pretty bad idea

I'm sure there is a reason but why not Ford also?

[Jas_lov]

Could he just let everyone else talk first then he can blather on? Fauci has much better things to do than stand there for an hour listening to this.

[whomario]

Originally Posted by stevew

GM making ventilators sounds like a pretty bad idea

There are no good solutions once you failed to prepare in time/are set up to fail by the circumstances in place prior to a crisis.

Be intereting if a majority realises that maybe it'd be better to spend a bit more all the time than a shit ton once a crisis hits.

[RainMaker]

Trump issues a statement on the coronavirus stimulus limiting congressional oversight. Trump will block special IG monitoring the money from reporting if he/she is stonewalled by federal agencies. pic.twitter.com/sHJx3htyIH

— John Fritze (@jfritze) March 27, 2020

[RainMaker]

General Motors MUST immediately open their stupidly abandoned Lordstown plant in Ohio, or some other plant, and START MAKING VENTILATORS, NOW!!!!!! FORD, GET GOING ON VENTILATORS, FAST!!!!!! @GeneralMotors @Ford

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 27, 2020

Always a tweet



GREAT NEWS FOR OHIO! Just spoke to Mary Barra, CEO of General Motors, who informed me that, subject to a UAW agreement etc., GM will be selling their beautiful Lordstown Plant to Workhorse, where they plan to build Electric Trucks. GM will also be spending $700,000,000 in Ohio...

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 8, 2019

[Radii]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/polit...ntv/index.html

"Well, we've entered into a number of contracts, and as we get closer to the date when shipments are supposed to come in, they are getting canceled -- getting delayed," Whitmer told Blitzer.

Whitmer said her state was notified that shipments of protective equipment such as face masks are going "first to the federal government" ahead of the states.

I'm real confused about whether the federal government is helping the states or if they've just told the states to bid against each other and then are taking what they want? b/c it seems like Michigan is becoming a state that would be 2nd or 3rd on the list of states in dire need of additional supplies.

He repeatedly referred to Whitmer as "the woman in Michigan" and said he wants the governors in the US to appreciate the work he and other federal officials are putting into fighting the outbreak. At one point, Trump said he has told Vice President Mike Pence not to call Whitmer and other governors who have been critical of the federal government.

"He calls all the governors -- I'm a different person. I say, 'Mike, don't call the governor of Washington, you're wasting your time with him. Don't call the woman in Michigan,'" Trump said, stating that he felt Whitmer and Washington Gov. Jay Inslee, another Democrat, will criticize him no matter what.

"You know what I say? If they don't treat you right, don't call. He's a different type of person. He'll call, quietly, anyway."

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Radii

I'm real confused about whether the federal government is helping the states or if they've just told the states to bid against each other and then are taking what they want? b/c it seems like Michigan is becoming a state that would be 2nd or 3rd on the list of states in dire need of additional supplies.

Right now states are bidding against themselves and the federal government. States are claiming they had deals in place for equipment only to be outbid at the last minute by the federal government.

[NobodyHere]

Just because we all like stats





I get the feeling that my job will soon no longer be considered "essential"

[Brian Swartz]

Scariest part of that graph to me is that it dovetails with the overall CDC data from last week; a third or a little higher of the hospitalization cases are under 60. Not that the elderly aren't important to, it's more the fact that we can't isolate enough people just by focusing on the susceptible ones in order to keep hospitals functioning.

[Lathum]

Idiot casually throws out that he is considering an enforceable quarantine, whatever that means, for NY/NJ and parts of Ct. Now people are freaking out because no one really knows what the hell it means.

I literally don't know if he could be any worse at this if he tried.

[Brian Swartz]

Here's how he could be worse:

The Lord Of The Rings - Flee For Your Lives! - YouTube

[whomario]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Here's how he could be worse:

The Lord Of The Rings - Flee For Your Lives! - YouTube

Or this

[Flasch186]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Right now states are bidding against themselves and the federal government. States are claiming they had deals in place for equipment only to be outbid at the last minute by the federal government.

If this doesn't get this guy unelected come November (assuming he doesn't suspend the election) I don't know what else would.

This is criminal negligence.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

If this doesn't get this guy unelected come November (assuming he doesn't suspend the election) I don't know what else would.

This is criminal negligence.

I’ve actually wondered if anyone (individual or state AG) might sue him after all is said and done.

[Jas_lov]

Let's hope he's thrown in jail. The federal government should have handled this so much better. 500 more deaths today. Next week we'll have 1,000+ daily. That clown never should have been elected and now people are going to pay for it with their lives.