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PackerFanatic · 06-22-2011, 05:07 PM

Keep it grouped tight and I know mauboy will be around now

mckerney · 06-22-2011, 05:29 PM

I'm still not following Narcizo's idea on no lynch, so I guess it's time to throw a vote out there.

Vote DV

Hopefully we've got at least one wolf up top today.

Niccus · 06-22-2011, 05:58 PM

After coming on and catching up on the whole thread. I am beginning to see the importance of why vote history is important and I observed the stats looking at the benefits of a lynch or a no lynch. Being new I am going to cast my vote hoping as well a wolf will be up top.

Vote DV

Autumn · 06-22-2011, 06:04 PM

an interesting series of votes today. I think we're still awaiting one vote?

Zinto · 06-22-2011, 06:12 PM

Darth Vilus-Crimson (58) The Jackal (118) McKerney (152) Niccus (153)
Mauboy-Autumn(112) PackerFanatic (150)
Niccus-Chubby(113) Mauboy(146)
No Lynch- Narcizo(138)

Yet to Vote- Darth Vilus

Niccus · 06-22-2011, 06:18 PM

After voting I am beginning to consider whether or not it would be better to keep the vote more balanced or if it is better to segregate a single person after so much discussion of today possibly being a no lynch day. Any comments on that just out of curiosity?

PackerFanatic · 06-22-2011, 06:25 PM

Usually I'd rather see the vote a little more consolidated so we can see movement at the end (that always seems to pull wolves out), but with you being one of the candidates, that is probably your best vote either way (at least at this point)

Autumn · 06-22-2011, 06:33 PM

Nothing works out just right Niccus, but generally around here most of us push for a close vote (unless we're really sure about someone being a wolf). A runaway would be great if it was a wolf, but if it's a villager allows the wolves to just sit back and hide. The hope is that a close vote will contain a wolf and encourage the wolves to move around to save themselves.

Chubby · 06-22-2011, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Usually I'd rather see the vote a little more consolidated so we can see movement at the end (that always seems to pull wolves out), but with you being one of the candidates, that is probably your best vote either way (at least at this point)

then why would you vote to make it a 3-way tie at post #150?

Autumn · 06-22-2011, 07:17 PM

Looking at the vote history I find the most interest in Mckerney and Niccus adding a one two punch to Darth. This helped establish Darth well ahead of Niccus, making me think Niccus the most likely wolf out of the suspects so far tonight. I hate to vote a new guy but Mckerney's got no votes.

UNVOTE MAUBOY1
VOTE NICCUS

Chubby · 06-22-2011, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

Looking at the vote history I find the most interest in Mckerney and Niccus adding a one two punch to Darth. This helped establish Darth well ahead of Niccus, making me think Niccus the most likely wolf out of the suspects so far tonight. I hate to vote a new guy but Mckerney's got no votes.

UNVOTE MAUBOY1
VOTE NICCUS

who else was he supposed to vote for at that point tho? he has to do a self preservation vote

PackerFanatic · 06-22-2011, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubby

then why would you vote to make it a 3-way tie at post #150?

I was consolidating the vote - making it 2-2-2, rather than giving someone a lead. Probably looking like I was hiding my vote, but rather that than a key 3rd vote on someone.

Autumn · 06-22-2011, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubby

who else was he supposed to vote for at that point tho? he has to do a self preservation vote

Who, Niccus? Well, he could have voted Mauboy. It was more the two votes combined that interested me.

Niccus · 06-22-2011, 07:58 PM

that was sort of why I asked on the thought of a more balanced vs a segregated vote. My vote was between Mauboy or DV and in the end I came to decide to throw mine towards DV. But I was interested to see what people thought from being unsure.

Autumn · 06-22-2011, 08:07 PM

Yes, that makes sense Niccus. But our job is to pick apart every person's vote and imagine how it could be a wolf move. If you were a wolf, then it would be in your benefit and your fellow wolf's to put somebody else well in the lead, so yours and Mckerney's vote could be read that way.

Granted, if I was a wolf with you, I would have counted on the new guy not getting offed on D1 and not made a move, so it's not a foolproof case.

PackerFanatic · 06-22-2011, 08:12 PM

Knowing that longest held vote is the tiebreaker, I am not keen on voting for Niccus here (although he is who I want to vote for based on how things have gone today).

PackerFanatic · 06-22-2011, 08:13 PM

Eh, let's do it and hope someone else moves too.

UNVOTE MAUBOY
VOTE NICCUS

PackerFanatic · 06-22-2011, 08:14 PM

Or hope that DV gets on in time.

Chubby · 06-22-2011, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Knowing that longest held vote is the tiebreaker, I am not keen on voting for Niccus here (although he is who I want to vote for based on how things have gone today).

y?

Niccus · 06-22-2011, 08:44 PM

Well with all the vote shifting that is going on and with my vote on DV that is what could be depicted as a move a wolf would commit.

Unvote DV
Vote Mauboy

Chubby · 06-22-2011, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niccus

Well with all the vote shifting that is going on and with my vote on DV that is what could be depicted as a move a wolf would commit.

Unvote DV
Vote Mauboy

you do realize that by you doing this means you will be lynched now, right?

Chubby · 06-22-2011, 08:47 PM

niccus - it was 4 to 4 with DV getting lnched via tiebreaker with your vote on him, by you changing to mau you now have the most votes.

Zinto · 06-22-2011, 08:47 PM

Darth Vilus-Crimson (58) The Jackal (118) McKerney (152)
Niccus-Chubby(113) Mauboy(146) Autumn (160) PackerFanatic (167)
Mau- Niccus (171)
No Lynch- Narcizo(138)

Yet to Vote- Darth Vilus

Niccus · 06-22-2011, 08:47 PM

Checking back actually I can't let my last vote go,

Unvote Mauboy
Vote DV

Niccus · 06-22-2011, 08:48 PM

and... i see my change spurred much controversy hahaha

mckerney · 06-22-2011, 08:48 PM

Unvote DV
Vote Niccus

Chubby · 06-22-2011, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niccus

and... i see my change spurred much controversy hahaha

I know for me at least, a self preservation vote isn't nescessarily looked at as "wolfish". I mean, if you want to off yourself go ahead but it doesn't seem to make much sense

Chubby · 06-22-2011, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney

Unvote DV
Vote Niccus

why?

Chubby · 06-22-2011, 08:51 PM

i think the late switching has us onto something and DV hasn't been on much at all or voted so...

unvote niccus
vote darth vilus

Zinto · 06-22-2011, 08:53 PM

Darth Vilus-Crimson (58) The Jackal (118) Niccus (174) Chubby (179)
Niccus- Mauboy(146) Autumn (160) PackerFanatic (167) McKerney (176)

No Lynch- Narcizo(138)

Yet to Vote- Darth Vilus

Chubby · 06-22-2011, 08:54 PM

no comment from PF or mckerney on why they switched?

mckerney · 06-22-2011, 08:54 PM

Mostly because being day one I had no strong reason to vote for DV, I don't really want to see him go down without chance to defend himself.

Less importantly the vote switch to and back from mauboy seemed odd, and as a slightly defensive move for tomorrow being people seem to be wanting to link me to Niccus because of where our votes happened to come in.

Autumn · 06-22-2011, 08:58 PM

Well, frankly it's not the first time Darth hasn't been around and gotten this kind of voting action. I don't think we can hold back on a lynch just because he's not around.

Niccus · 06-22-2011, 08:58 PM

Well I got confused because there was talk of my vote on DV being suspicious but checking back I realized I am under the most suspicion with only Maulboys votes shifting to me, not really off of DV. So me unvoting DV and shifting to Maulboy instantly made me come under even more suspicious.

I immediately shifted my vote back to DV within the minute. As this is my first game I now realize I should have looked back at the votes before shifting to Maulboy which was a controversial move. I am still reading up and down the thread to knock some sense into myself after that move but my vote will stand again on DV.

Some of what I'm saying might even confuse some of you, so I apologize haha. I'm continuing to read through the thread to grasp some of what I can understand right now.

Autumn · 06-22-2011, 09:00 PM

The key to werewolf Niccus is that everything you do is suspicious.

Zinto · 06-22-2011, 09:00 PM

Deadline

Chubby · 06-22-2011, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

Well, frankly it's not the first time Darth hasn't been around and gotten this kind of voting action. I don't think we can hold back on a lynch just because he's not around.

To me there's also a difference between not being on at all (and not even voting) and not being on a "lot". DV falls into the 1st part this game and to me that's a reason to vote him along with some all of a sudden late movement away from him.

Zinto · 06-22-2011, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

The key to werewolf Niccus is that everything you do is suspicious.

+1

Zinto · 06-22-2011, 09:01 PM

Darth Vilus-Crimson (58) The Jackal (118) Niccus (174) Chubby (179)
Niccus- Mauboy(146) Autumn (160) PackerFanatic (167) McKerney (176)
No Lynch- Narcizo(138)
No Vote- Darth Vilus

Niccus · 06-22-2011, 09:01 PM

Alright well, heading out I'll continue to see whats going on with my phone. Thanks for the advice Autumn

, as I just learned hah.

Zinto · 06-22-2011, 09:03 PM

After the votes are tallied the majority points their fingers to a man with a scar on his face.
“Yamcha it has been decided that you are in cohorts with the Sayains or the real Yamcha is dead and you are one of them in disguise,” said Goku.
“Please you are making a mistake I am your friend I would never do anything to hurt you guys,” pleaded Yamacha.
“The group has spoken, I am sorry Yamcha or whoever you are,” replied Piccolo.
With that Yamcha powered up waiting for an attack but he never saw it coming. Goku, Piccolo and the other Z-Warriors easily over powered him and sent him to an early grave.

Darth Vilus was Yamcha a Z-Warrior.

Autumn · 06-22-2011, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubby

To me there's also a difference between not being on at all (and not even voting) and not being on a "lot". DV falls into the 1st part this game and to me that's a reason to vote him along with some all of a sudden late movement away from him.

Well except that if you suppose Darth is a wolf, there's only one other wolf, so how much movement could you expect to see? one of those moves could have been a wolf, but the rest would still be villagers.

Zinto · 06-22-2011, 09:03 PM

Night actions due by 11 PM EST

Autumn · 06-22-2011, 09:04 PM

Interesting. Well we had enough movement that we might learn something from this. I'm now particularly interested in Niccus's allegiance.

Chubby · 06-22-2011, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

Well except that if you suppose Darth is a wolf, there's only one other wolf, so how much movement could you expect to see? one of those moves could have been a wolf, but the rest would still be villagers.

I can't remember if the sorc knows who the wolves are or not.

DV is a villager anyways it seems

Chubby · 06-22-2011, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

Interesting. Well we had enough movement that we might learn something from this. I'm now particularly interested in Niccus's allegiance.

PF switching onto niccus late with no explanation after he earlier argued with me against voting for him really made me wonder if we were onto something with DV. As I said, I'd rather vote the no-show than anyone else when throwing darts day 1.

Autumn · 06-22-2011, 09:08 PM

Understandable, but you've now made yourself a person of interest, making a last minute move to get a villager lynched. Knowing whether that was to protect Niccus or not would be good to know.

Autumn · 06-22-2011, 09:10 PM

I'm with you in general about voting out non-voters though, that's one thing we won't have to deal with in the next few days.

Autumn · 06-22-2011, 09:12 PM

I'm going to go crash. If I'm still awake in an hour I'll check in.

Autumn · 06-22-2011, 09:12 PM

Quadruple dola! Is that some sort of Dragonball bonus?

06-22-2011, 06:12 PM	#155
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	Darth Vilus-Crimson (58) The Jackal (118) McKerney (152) Niccus (153) Mauboy-Autumn(112) PackerFanatic (150) Niccus-Chubby(113) Mauboy(146) No Lynch- Narcizo(138) Yet to Vote- Darth Vilus Last edited by Zinto : 06-22-2011 at 06:13 PM.

06-22-2011, 05:07 PM	#151
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Keep it grouped tight and I know mauboy will be around now

06-22-2011, 05:29 PM	#152
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I'm still not following Narcizo's idea on no lynch, so I guess it's time to throw a vote out there. Vote DV Hopefully we've got at least one wolf up top today.

06-22-2011, 05:58 PM	#153
Niccus n00b Join Date: Jun 2011	After coming on and catching up on the whole thread. I am beginning to see the importance of why vote history is important and I observed the stats looking at the benefits of a lynch or a no lynch. Being new I am going to cast my vote hoping as well a wolf will be up top. Vote DV

06-22-2011, 06:04 PM	#154
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	an interesting series of votes today. I think we're still awaiting one vote?

06-22-2011, 06:18 PM	#156
Niccus n00b Join Date: Jun 2011	After voting I am beginning to consider whether or not it would be better to keep the vote more balanced or if it is better to segregate a single person after so much discussion of today possibly being a no lynch day. Any comments on that just out of curiosity?

06-22-2011, 06:25 PM	#157
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Usually I'd rather see the vote a little more consolidated so we can see movement at the end (that always seems to pull wolves out), but with you being one of the candidates, that is probably your best vote either way (at least at this point)

06-22-2011, 06:33 PM	#158
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Nothing works out just right Niccus, but generally around here most of us push for a close vote (unless we're really sure about someone being a wolf). A runaway would be great if it was a wolf, but if it's a villager allows the wolves to just sit back and hide. The hope is that a close vote will contain a wolf and encourage the wolves to move around to save themselves.

06-22-2011, 07:17 PM	#160
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Looking at the vote history I find the most interest in Mckerney and Niccus adding a one two punch to Darth. This helped establish Darth well ahead of Niccus, making me think Niccus the most likely wolf out of the suspects so far tonight. I hate to vote a new guy but Mckerney's got no votes. UNVOTE MAUBOY1 VOTE NICCUS

06-22-2011, 07:58 PM	#164
Niccus n00b Join Date: Jun 2011	that was sort of why I asked on the thought of a more balanced vs a segregated vote. My vote was between Mauboy or DV and in the end I came to decide to throw mine towards DV. But I was interested to see what people thought from being unsure.

06-22-2011, 08:07 PM	#165
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Yes, that makes sense Niccus. But our job is to pick apart every person's vote and imagine how it could be a wolf move. If you were a wolf, then it would be in your benefit and your fellow wolf's to put somebody else well in the lead, so yours and Mckerney's vote could be read that way. Granted, if I was a wolf with you, I would have counted on the new guy not getting offed on D1 and not made a move, so it's not a foolproof case.

06-22-2011, 08:12 PM	#166
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Knowing that longest held vote is the tiebreaker, I am not keen on voting for Niccus here (although he is who I want to vote for based on how things have gone today).

06-22-2011, 08:13 PM	#167
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Eh, let's do it and hope someone else moves too. UNVOTE MAUBOY VOTE NICCUS

06-22-2011, 08:14 PM	#168
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Or hope that DV gets on in time.

06-22-2011, 08:44 PM	#170
Niccus n00b Join Date: Jun 2011	Well with all the vote shifting that is going on and with my vote on DV that is what could be depicted as a move a wolf would commit. Unvote DV Vote Mauboy

06-22-2011, 08:47 PM	#172
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	niccus - it was 4 to 4 with DV getting lnched via tiebreaker with your vote on him, by you changing to mau you now have the most votes.

06-22-2011, 08:47 PM	#173
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	Darth Vilus-Crimson (58) The Jackal (118) McKerney (152) Niccus-Chubby(113) Mauboy(146) Autumn (160) PackerFanatic (167) Mau- Niccus (171) No Lynch- Narcizo(138) Yet to Vote- Darth Vilus

06-22-2011, 08:47 PM	#174
Niccus n00b Join Date: Jun 2011	Checking back actually I can't let my last vote go, Unvote Mauboy Vote DV

06-22-2011, 08:48 PM	#175
Niccus n00b Join Date: Jun 2011	and... i see my change spurred much controversy hahaha

06-22-2011, 08:48 PM	#176
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Unvote DV Vote Niccus

06-22-2011, 08:51 PM	#179
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	i think the late switching has us onto something and DV hasn't been on much at all or voted so... unvote niccus vote darth vilus

06-22-2011, 08:53 PM	#180
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	Darth Vilus-Crimson (58) The Jackal (118) Niccus (174) Chubby (179) Niccus- Mauboy(146) Autumn (160) PackerFanatic (167) McKerney (176) No Lynch- Narcizo(138) Yet to Vote- Darth Vilus

06-22-2011, 08:54 PM	#181
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	no comment from PF or mckerney on why they switched?

06-22-2011, 08:54 PM	#182
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Mostly because being day one I had no strong reason to vote for DV, I don't really want to see him go down without chance to defend himself. Less importantly the vote switch to and back from mauboy seemed odd, and as a slightly defensive move for tomorrow being people seem to be wanting to link me to Niccus because of where our votes happened to come in.

06-22-2011, 08:58 PM	#183
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Well, frankly it's not the first time Darth hasn't been around and gotten this kind of voting action. I don't think we can hold back on a lynch just because he's not around.

06-22-2011, 08:58 PM	#184
Niccus n00b Join Date: Jun 2011	Well I got confused because there was talk of my vote on DV being suspicious but checking back I realized I am under the most suspicion with only Maulboys votes shifting to me, not really off of DV. So me unvoting DV and shifting to Maulboy instantly made me come under even more suspicious. I immediately shifted my vote back to DV within the minute. As this is my first game I now realize I should have looked back at the votes before shifting to Maulboy which was a controversial move. I am still reading up and down the thread to knock some sense into myself after that move but my vote will stand again on DV. Some of what I'm saying might even confuse some of you, so I apologize haha. I'm continuing to read through the thread to grasp some of what I can understand right now.

06-22-2011, 09:00 PM	#185
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	The key to werewolf Niccus is that everything you do is suspicious.

06-22-2011, 09:00 PM	#186
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	Deadline

06-22-2011, 09:01 PM	#189
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	Darth Vilus-Crimson (58) The Jackal (118) Niccus (174) Chubby (179) Niccus- Mauboy(146) Autumn (160) PackerFanatic (167) McKerney (176) No Lynch- Narcizo(138) No Vote- Darth Vilus

06-22-2011, 09:01 PM	#190
Niccus n00b Join Date: Jun 2011	Alright well, heading out I'll continue to see whats going on with my phone. Thanks for the advice Autumn , as I just learned hah.

06-22-2011, 09:03 PM	#191
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	After the votes are tallied the majority points their fingers to a man with a scar on his face. “Yamcha it has been decided that you are in cohorts with the Sayains or the real Yamcha is dead and you are one of them in disguise,” said Goku. “Please you are making a mistake I am your friend I would never do anything to hurt you guys,” pleaded Yamacha. “The group has spoken, I am sorry Yamcha or whoever you are,” replied Piccolo. With that Yamcha powered up waiting for an attack but he never saw it coming. Goku, Piccolo and the other Z-Warriors easily over powered him and sent him to an early grave. Darth Vilus was Yamcha a Z-Warrior.