The Democrat Party Headquarters Thread (No Repubs Allowed!!) - Page 10

henry296 · 07-23-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

where did clap vote for kwhit?

post number?

post 614

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 02:21 PM

Pass suggested that we include in the brothers bill a clause that the other brother only gets killed 50% of the time

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 02:23 PM

I would like to see a draft of the Seer Communication bill before determining which one is better.

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 02:32 PM

Working on one now.

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 02:34 PM

I am not a huge fan of a vote for PAss, I think we should all vote for clap in a show of solidarity for our party leader

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 02:51 PM

Here is a draft bill for consideration. I left out the part about the seerspeaker being from the opposite party, because once the seerspeaker reveals himself, that would make it known to the wolves what party the seer was in. I think instead it should be kept totally random.

NATIONAL SEER COMMUNICATION BILL

WHEREAS, the newly created "Seer" possesses unique gifts of insight but limited means of communication:

BE IT RESOLVED:

The Seer Communications Network is hereby established. This mechanism allows for a member of congress to be named as "SeerSpeaker" and granted certain special attributes:

Knowledge of the Seer's identity
PM exchange with the Seer - Once per day. One originating from the Seer to the SeerSpeaker and one from the SeerSpeaker to the Seer. These PMs must also include Chief Rum and Oliegirl.

The SeerSpeaker shall be chosen randomly by our Creator (Chief Rum) from the pool of non-Wolf, non-Seer members of Congress.

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 02:55 PM

I like it.

chesapeake · 07-23-2008, 02:57 PM

I'm just getting back online. I am good with this.

path12 · 07-23-2008, 02:58 PM

I like this but wonder about the SeerSpeaker knowing the Seer's identity in case there are conversion possibilities down the line. Maybe the result of the scan is made known to the SeerSpeaker by CR/Olie?

henry296 · 07-23-2008, 02:59 PM

Can someone remind me what were our support / slurry actions from last night?

P.S. st. cronin just voted for me as a wolf party member

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry296

Can someone remind me what were our support / slurry actions from last night?

P.S. st. cronin just voted for me as a wolf party member

This is what we did yesterday:

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Send 2 slurries to the Republican Presidential Candidate
Send 1 slurry to jeheinze72

Send 1 support to the NATIONAL WOLF SECURITY BILL
Send 2 support to PackerFanatic

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 03:03 PM

i like it but we better run it by CR first

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 03:08 PM

Yeah, I sent it to him.

chesapeake · 07-23-2008, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

NATIONAL SEER COMMUNICATION BILL
Sponsors: Henry296 & PackerFan

WHEREAS, the newly created "Seer" possesses unique gifts of insight but limited means of communication:

BE IT RESOLVED:

The Seer Communications Network is hereby established. This mechanism allows for a member of congress to be named as "SeerSpeaker" and granted certain special attributes:

Knowledge of the Seer's identity
PM exchange with the Seer - Once per day. One originating from the Seer to the SeerSpeaker and one from the SeerSpeaker to the Seer. These PMs must also include Chief Rum and Oliegirl.

The SeerSpeaker shall be chosen randomly by our Creator (Chief Rum) from the pool of non-Wolf, non-Seer members of Congress.

If CR balks at all, we could limit the content that could be included in the pm.

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 03:11 PM

ok, I told Pass we are headed in a different direction thet the brothers roles but that I would provide details later.

what do you guys want me to tell tham...

chesapeake · 07-23-2008, 03:11 PM

BTW, I added my recommendations for sponsors of the bill. Now we just need Chubby to make an appearance.

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 03:12 PM

I don't think he will balk at it - it seems pretty fair to me.

path12 · 07-23-2008, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

ok, I told Pass we are headed in a different direction thet the brothers roles but that I would provide details later.

what do you guys want me to tell tham...

I'd go ahead and give him an outline of our bill without too many details. I'm pretty sure Pass will like it better than a brothers act (which is a role I've rarely seen pay off very big either).

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 03:17 PM

Also, I asked CR where this would fall in the political spectrum. If it is strongly Republican, we'll want to decide if it's worth it to still submit it.

Of course, doing so would buy us political capital to hopefully allow Chubby to submit a Dem leaning one tomorrow. We'll see when CR responds.

henry296 · 07-23-2008, 03:19 PM

I like the concept of the bill, but I think CR will deem it republican leaning since it involves more power for the seer role which could hurt us. However, with Chubby sponsoring the bill and not the party that shouldn't hurt as much.

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 03:20 PM

IN addition, Lathum, we may need some backroom dealings to determine who gets lynched today. Otherwise this could easily turn into Clap vs. KWhit and we don't know the tiebreaker.

mccollins · 07-23-2008, 03:24 PM

Shouldn't be a tiebreaker since KWhit has now said he's not voting for you.

So... Clap still?

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 03:27 PM

Well, I'm afraid Tyrith would just move his vote onto me.

chesapeake · 07-23-2008, 03:27 PM

The truth is fine, I think. They may have some thoughts that can help.

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 03:27 PM

And there is a vote (by cronin) out there for Henry too.

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 03:30 PM

my PM to pass

Quote:

hey, our plan is to basicly add a role that has one time a day PM communication with the seer. This person cant be a wolf.

Of a much greater concern is Claps vote against our party leader.

Did he go rogue or was there discussion about lynching our party leader?

We want to avoid having a 7-7 lynch tie since the tiebreaker is unknown but you must understand our position.

henry296 · 07-23-2008, 03:30 PM

Do we know the tiebreaking process? In the spirit of the game, it might be the Speaker of the House which is good for us.

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 03:32 PM

Cool. Let me know what Pass says, Lathum.

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 03:35 PM

will do.

should I continue to vote NO on republican bills?

Chubby · 07-23-2008, 03:36 PM

catching up

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 03:37 PM

Hooray Chub-ster!

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 03:43 PM

Note - I still haven't gotten anything back from CR about that bill....

EagleFan · 07-23-2008, 03:43 PM

Still trying to catch up but it looks like the veto overturn isn't going to happen.

We should have pushed for that early. This would have given us a chance to right a wrong from yesterday (which is only a wrong since the veto rulse changed on us in my opinion) and get a veto of a dem bill overturned. That would have given us a boost and then if we got two dem bills passed today it would have really helped us. Especially if the wolves ridered the rep bill (hint to the dem wolves among us!!!).

Chubby · 07-23-2008, 03:45 PM

1st I just want to apologize for hurting the party last night. I really didn't want to veto the bill as I kinda of figured how bad it would hit us since it was our bill but I was between a rock and a hard place. Everyone was saying to veto so for the village, I think I did the right thing... it's just that it hurt the party

Let me know which bill you want me to propose. I'm fine with either (as well as fine with the BG bill)

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 03:47 PM

No worries Chubby, not much you could have done.

I would like to see the Seer Communication Bill.

chesapeake · 07-23-2008, 03:47 PM

PackFan, you should vote to override the veto of an enormously popular bill.

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 03:48 PM

Let's wait until we hear back from CR though. I don't want it to get struck down.

chesapeake · 07-23-2008, 03:50 PM

We are waiting to hear back from CR on the courts opinion of the seer bill and for where it would sit on the spectrum?

Do we have a plan B? The clock, she is a-ticking. I like Lathum's soothsayer suggestion. A Duke bill may also be helpful.

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesapeake

PackFan, you should vote to override the veto of an enormously popular bill.

You honestly think that would help my chances tonight? Granted, on one hand, it is overturning the veto of a popular dem bill - on the other hand, it is going against my party leader (who was the vetoer) Not sure how much sway that would have, but still.

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 03:53 PM

I have no plan B. I'd be fine with soothsayer or Duke.

Chubby · 07-23-2008, 03:53 PM

No problem, the gf is napping so I have easy computer time

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 03:54 PM

I'm a little worried about getting enough votes if we wait too much longer to submit the bill, though....

chesapeake · 07-23-2008, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

You honestly think that would help my chances tonight? Granted, on one hand, it is overturning the veto of a popular dem bill - on the other hand, it is going against my party leader (who was the vetoer) Not sure how much sway that would have, but still.

I think it is a net positive at no cost. As long as a quorum hasn't voted, it doesn't pass. I'm thinking of doing it myself.

chesapeake · 07-23-2008, 03:55 PM

Duke or soothsayer? I'll write a draft now so we have a plan b

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 03:56 PM

I have to leave at about 6:15 at the latest and may not be back before deadline.

chesapeake · 07-23-2008, 03:59 PM

Slurry:
illini x 2
jeheinz x 1 -- not that I have it in for him, but we hit him yesterday, he has been under the radar today, and we are a little at risk of being deep in the minoity. If he does lose, he has a shot at election again, which we can quietly allow to happen.

Support:
PackerFan obviously
With the bills all passing (presumedly) will that be enough of a boost to bring Henry, KWhit and Path to victory?

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 04:00 PM

OK, pass wrote back

basicly Clap acted on his own then tried to drum up support to back him. Pass thinks Clap is a little to in the know about things only wolves would know so he thinks loosing him would be no big deal.

He felt I should have mentioned we were going to vote as a block against Clap. I told him I disagree and clap bough it on himself.

he also seemed confuded about the bill, he is thinking they would be linked like brothers, I informed him that was not the case.

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 04:05 PM

pass said he is leaving in 10 minutes and wont be able to vote our bill.

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 04:06 PM

Ugh. Should we just go ahead with it? Or wait?

Chubby · 07-23-2008, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

Ugh. Should we just go ahead with it? Or wait?

I would rather be safe than sorry, but did you try oliegirl? I think if she gives ok that CR wouldn't override as she would be acting as GM

07-23-2008, 02:23 PM	#453
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I would like to see a draft of the Seer Communication bill before determining which one is better. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-23-2008, 02:51 PM	#456
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Here is a draft bill for consideration. I left out the part about the seerspeaker being from the opposite party, because once the seerspeaker reveals himself, that would make it known to the wolves what party the seer was in. I think instead it should be kept totally random. NATIONAL SEER COMMUNICATION BILL WHEREAS, the newly created "Seer" possesses unique gifts of insight but limited means of communication: BE IT RESOLVED: The Seer Communications Network is hereby established. This mechanism allows for a member of congress to be named as "SeerSpeaker" and granted certain special attributes: Knowledge of the Seer's identity PM exchange with the Seer - Once per day. One originating from the Seer to the SeerSpeaker and one from the SeerSpeaker to the Seer. These PMs must also include Chief Rum and Oliegirl. The SeerSpeaker shall be chosen randomly by our Creator (Chief Rum) from the pool of non-Wolf, non-Seer members of Congress.

07-23-2008, 02:55 PM	#457
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I like it. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-23-2008, 02:58 PM	#459
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I like this but wonder about the SeerSpeaker knowing the Seer's identity in case there are conversion possibilities down the line. Maybe the result of the scan is made known to the SeerSpeaker by CR/Olie? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-23-2008, 02:59 PM	#460
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Can someone remind me what were our support / slurry actions from last night? P.S. st. cronin just voted for me as a wolf party member __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

07-23-2008, 02:21 PM	#452
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Pass suggested that we include in the brothers bill a clause that the other brother only gets killed 50% of the time

07-23-2008, 02:32 PM	#454
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Working on one now.

07-23-2008, 02:34 PM	#455
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I am not a huge fan of a vote for PAss, I think we should all vote for clap in a show of solidarity for our party leader

07-23-2008, 02:57 PM	#458
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	I'm just getting back online. I am good with this.

07-23-2008, 03:03 PM	#462
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	i like it but we better run it by CR first

07-23-2008, 03:08 PM	#463
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Yeah, I sent it to him.

07-23-2008, 03:11 PM	#465
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	ok, I told Pass we are headed in a different direction thet the brothers roles but that I would provide details later. what do you guys want me to tell tham...

07-23-2008, 03:11 PM	#466
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	BTW, I added my recommendations for sponsors of the bill. Now we just need Chubby to make an appearance.

07-23-2008, 03:12 PM	#467
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I don't think he will balk at it - it seems pretty fair to me. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-23-2008, 03:17 PM	#469
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Also, I asked CR where this would fall in the political spectrum. If it is strongly Republican, we'll want to decide if it's worth it to still submit it. Of course, doing so would buy us political capital to hopefully allow Chubby to submit a Dem leaning one tomorrow. We'll see when CR responds.

07-23-2008, 03:19 PM	#470
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I like the concept of the bill, but I think CR will deem it republican leaning since it involves more power for the seer role which could hurt us. However, with Chubby sponsoring the bill and not the party that shouldn't hurt as much. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

07-23-2008, 03:20 PM	#471
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	IN addition, Lathum, we may need some backroom dealings to determine who gets lynched today. Otherwise this could easily turn into Clap vs. KWhit and we don't know the tiebreaker.

07-23-2008, 03:24 PM	#472
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	Shouldn't be a tiebreaker since KWhit has now said he's not voting for you. So... Clap still?

07-23-2008, 03:27 PM	#473
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Well, I'm afraid Tyrith would just move his vote onto me.

07-23-2008, 03:27 PM	#474
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	The truth is fine, I think. They may have some thoughts that can help.

07-23-2008, 03:27 PM	#475
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	And there is a vote (by cronin) out there for Henry too. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-23-2008, 03:30 PM	#477
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Do we know the tiebreaking process? In the spirit of the game, it might be the Speaker of the House which is good for us. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

07-23-2008, 03:32 PM	#478
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Cool. Let me know what Pass says, Lathum.

07-23-2008, 03:35 PM	#479
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	will do. should I continue to vote NO on republican bills?

07-23-2008, 03:36 PM	#480
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	catching up

07-23-2008, 03:37 PM	#481
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Hooray Chub-ster! __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-23-2008, 03:43 PM	#482
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Note - I still haven't gotten anything back from CR about that bill....

07-23-2008, 03:43 PM	#483
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Still trying to catch up but it looks like the veto overturn isn't going to happen. We should have pushed for that early. This would have given us a chance to right a wrong from yesterday (which is only a wrong since the veto rulse changed on us in my opinion) and get a veto of a dem bill overturned. That would have given us a boost and then if we got two dem bills passed today it would have really helped us. Especially if the wolves ridered the rep bill (hint to the dem wolves among us!!!).

07-23-2008, 03:45 PM	#484
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	1st I just want to apologize for hurting the party last night. I really didn't want to veto the bill as I kinda of figured how bad it would hit us since it was our bill but I was between a rock and a hard place. Everyone was saying to veto so for the village, I think I did the right thing... it's just that it hurt the party Let me know which bill you want me to propose. I'm fine with either (as well as fine with the BG bill)

07-23-2008, 03:47 PM	#485
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	No worries Chubby, not much you could have done. I would like to see the Seer Communication Bill. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-23-2008, 03:47 PM	#486
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	PackFan, you should vote to override the veto of an enormously popular bill.

07-23-2008, 03:48 PM	#487
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Let's wait until we hear back from CR though. I don't want it to get struck down.

07-23-2008, 03:50 PM	#488
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	We are waiting to hear back from CR on the courts opinion of the seer bill and for where it would sit on the spectrum? Do we have a plan B? The clock, she is a-ticking. I like Lathum's soothsayer suggestion. A Duke bill may also be helpful.

07-23-2008, 03:53 PM	#490
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I have no plan B. I'd be fine with soothsayer or Duke.

07-23-2008, 03:53 PM	#491
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	No problem, the gf is napping so I have easy computer time