2018 College Football Thread

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Lathum

What an asshole. He has a lot of balls considering the scheme the SEC runs with their scheduling.

If you have the SOS to do it their way, only idiots would do anything else.

[bob]

Originally Posted by digamma

Reading a lot about Geoff Collins, btw.

Sounds like this is a done deal for GT.

I look forward to seeing stuff like this on the sideline next year:

[JPhillips]

Hugh Freeze hired at Liberty.

So many evangelical leaders are ridiculous hypocrites.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Hugh Freeze hired at Liberty.

Keeps him out of Knoxville, so it's fine by me.

[digamma]

That's hilarious.

Collins has now been officially announced.

[Ksyrup]

The quotes out of the Hugh Freeze presser are hilarious.

“The son of God, Jesus Christ, he is the only one I’ve ever met who can handle my junk. If you know somebody else that can do that, I’d love to meet him.”

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Hugh Freeze hired at Liberty.

So many evangelical leaders are ridiculous hypocrites.

Don't forget that the former Baylor AD is there too.

[PilotMan]

The Bison are hosting Colgate tomorrow on ESPN in Fargo for a chance to move on to the FCS semis.

Our coach is rumored to be a high candidate at KSU which is making the faithful nervous since he's only been leading us 4 years. Doubt that he stays really.

Chris Klieman may lead new K-State football coaching search | The Wichita Eagle

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

The Bison are hosting Colgate tomorrow on ESPN in Fargo for a chance to move on to the FCS semis.

Our coach is rumored to be a high candidate at KSU which is making the faithful nervous since he's only been leading us 4 years. Doubt that he stays really.

Chris Klieman may lead new K-State football coaching search | The Wichita Eagle

That Colgate defense is NASTY. Check out their game logs. Should be a good match up.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Hugh Freeze hired at Liberty.

So many evangelical leaders are ridiculous hypocrites.

Our AD hired Steve Alford and didnt have a clue about the Pierre Pierce rape history, so maybe they didnt bother to do a search on Google?

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

That Colgate defense is NASTY. Check out their game logs. Should be a good match up.

I'm confident. I know the run is coming to an end, but this is easily in the top 3 of NDSU teams the last 8 years. Good leadership on both sides of the ball. If they do lose today Colgate will have played the game of their year. I hope we start like we did last week. 6 TD's in 6 possessions.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by Lathum

SEC commissioner Greg Sankey says UCF Knights should fix strength of schedule issue

What an asshole. He has a lot of balls considering the scheme the SEC runs with their scheduling.

Followed up by UF saying they'd be open to a 2 for 1 series with UCF and UCF saying "Top Ten teams don't do 2 for 1s".

Florida Gators AD Scott Stricklin would welcome 2-for-1 series vs. UCF Knights

Any momentary sympathy I ever had for UCF is out the window. Enjoy your moment in the sun before 0-12 returns.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Lathum

That Colgate defense is NASTY. Check out their game logs. Should be a good match up.

Yeah, uh, about that ...

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Yeah, uh, about that ...

I will admit that I was even surprised by the 35-0 score. Our defense didn't give anything. Could've easily been 42-0 with a phenomenal catch called incomplete in the endzone.

[JPhillips]

That spot, replay, spot, measure in the Army/Navy game was ridiculous.

[PilotMan]

And in the best game of the day, Eastern Washington fights it out with a great comeback against UC Davis on the horrific red turf to win tonight.

So next week in the FCS semi-finals, it will be Eastern Wash home against Maine and NDSU at home against arch rival SDSU. That latter game will be for the championship. Neither EWU or Maine can hang with either of the Dakota teams. My money was always on Eastern Washington, and they would be the tougher opponent for either team down in Frisco, TX.

[Thomkal]

oooh a Dakotas brawl!

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by bob

Sounds like this is a done deal for GT.

I look forward to seeing stuff like this on the sideline next year:

That is one of the coolest things I've ever seen!

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

This is my first thought which makes me think it's some kind of trap. Peterson is a really good coach with a month to prepare.

It's interesting taking a look at the various advanced metrics to see how they compare Washington and Ohio State.

FEI actually has the Huskies rated a spot higher, #7 to #8 for the Buckeyes.

S&P has Ohio State at #7 and UW and #9.

Sagarin has more of a gap, with OSU and #4 and UW and #9; his "Predictor" measure puts Ohio State as a 5-point favorite, so that's probably playing a big part in those opening lines.

Washington's defense is outstanding. The secondary is legit, with 4 very, very good cornerbacks that see time (I'm including nickel back Myles Bryant in that group) and two good safeties, though Rapp is better in coverage while McIntosh is the big-hitting enforcer. Pass rush hasn't been great, but it's been improving lately. Ben Burr-Kirven is a tackling machine - very, very good in the open field and has good lateral quickness. Not that big though. Greg Gaines is a beast in the middle of the DL; not the greatest pass rusher, but can collapse the pocket from time to time. His biggest asset is occupying blockers to allow BBK to make tackles against the run.

The offense is less consistent. The biggest problem is the receiving corps is average, at best. Jake Browning isn't the greatest QB in the world - his arm strength is just OK and he often waits too long to throw, but he's reasonably accurate and he's very good at reading defenses and checking into better plays. He's also more mobile than most expect. The run game though can be quite good. Myles Gaskin is a wizard - not the biggest guy in the world but he has amazing patience when finding creases and is so good at turning a 3-yard gain into a 7-yard gain by finding a little seam, always falling forward and seemingly never taking a big, direct hit. Salvon Ahmed is the primary back-up, and he's faster, but not quite as good as breaking tackles or finding the best running lane.

My read on this is if the Husky D can keep the Buckeyes in the low 20's - which will be tough given how explosive and talented they are, but they have the scheme and personnel to do it - they have a shot. They'll need their OL to win the day in the run game and not get totally overrun on passing plays (Browning has a tendency to do some really dumb shit under a heavy pass rush).

[PilotMan]

And now the Bison have officially lost their head coach to Kansas State. We have a big game on Saturday against our top rivals, in what will probably determine the National Champion.

I guess our offseason will be interesting. One has to think that the promotion will come internally.

[Ksyrup]

A lot of smoke the past several days about FSU hiring Kendal Briles. I know Taggart needs to win, but sheesh. Gonna be a hard sell in Tallahassee. Not really sure how you justify it - until he produces, anyway. Isn't that the way it works?

[Butter]

FSU had a probable rapist playing QB for the better part of a year. I think they'll be just fine with it.

[Ksyrup]

As long as it was probable, that means everyone is fine with rape. Got it.

[Butter]

Kendal Briles certainly is, so he'll fit right in.

[CU Tiger]

I mean the previous candidate was Hugh Freeze.
He turned FSU down to take less money and be a HC at ...LIBERTY...


It really isnt a big jump from paying for escorts for recruits to rape

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

As long as it was probable, that means everyone is fine with rape. Got it.

Don’t act like a large selection of fans are willing to find any way to excuse someone’s actions as long as the team is winning.

[Ksyrup]

I'm not on board with it, but if it's what's going to be, it ain't be the first and won't be the last.

Freeze wasn't a serious candidate from what I've heard, mainly because of the concern that he'd immediately jump to a HC job. Same with Fedora, although he might be a preferable flight risk to Briles. Taggart is going on his 12th OC in 9 years. So that's an issue I believe he is sensitive about trying to fix.

As far as Winston goes, he's a huge idiot, but if you read all of the information on what occurred, there wasn't much to it. I know we're in the culture of taking people down on accusations, but he wouldn't have been convicted of anything. That's not to say he hasn't shown himself to be a pretty poor excuse for a human overall, but...

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

As far as Winston goes, he's a huge idiot, but if you read all of the information on what occurred, there wasn't much to it. I know we're in the culture of taking people down on accusations, but he wouldn't have been convicted of anything. That's not to say he hasn't shown himself to be a pretty poor excuse for a human overall, but...

Dude them some garnet colored glasses.
I mean ...maybe the chick made it up.
And maybe the Uber driver made it up that he forcibly groped her.
And maybe there was that high school incident and it was made up too.
And maybe He didnt really threaten to kill the burger king kid if he told on him for stealing drinks.

And maybe he didt know he was supposed to pay for crab legs.
And maybe he really didnt have any bbs and someone else busted 4 car windows the same time he had a bb gun in his hand.
And maybe he didnt really mean it when he told those elementary school kids that girls are suppsoed to be still and quiet and boys are supposed to be strong and mean...


But that is a hell of a pattern.
Of course no charges were pressed. When the victim is attacked by police and interrogated for hours..of course her traumatic story is inconsistent.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Freeze wasn't a serious candidate from what I've heard, mainly because of the concern that he'd immediately jump to a HC job.

BTW Michael Langston and Gene Williams both disagree with you....the exact phrasing I hearf was 'damn near begged'

[Ksyrup]

Look, I'm not interested in rehashing the whole thing. I was only referring to the one incident. I acknowledged that the guy has done some stupid/awful things. Doesn't mean he raped someone - or if he did, that anyone knows that it happened.

I started this with a post about Briles and not being particularly thrilled about it. It turned into shots at me and the school. Cool. I'm out.

[I. J. Reilly]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I mean the previous candidate was Hugh Freeze.
He turned FSU down to take less money and be a HC at ...LIBERTY...


It really isnt a big jump from paying for escorts for recruits to rape

Really, or is my sarcasm meter broken again?

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by I. J. Reilly

Really, or is my sarcasm meter broken again?

A bit of hyperbole...but yeah both are pretty bad guys.I mean one truned a blind eye to 20 something year olds allegedly raping other students and the other hired escorts, allegedly, for 17 year old boys...


Is there a kill em with fire option?

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Look, I'm not interested in rehashing the whole thing. I was only referring to the one incident. I acknowledged that the guy has done some stupid/awful things. Doesn't mean he raped someone - or if he did, that anyone knows that it happened.

I started this with a post about Briles and not being particularly thrilled about it. It turned into shots at me and the school. Cool. I'm out.

Being a little sensitive there.

I think "shots at you" is not true. Shots at FSU, absolutely. I think your characterization of it as a "hard sell" is overstating things considering what they've "put up with" in the past.
Point is, they'll put up with a hell of a lot if they think you'll help them win football games.

Maybe a hard realization to expect one to come to about one's favorite football team, but in my opinion a rapist both won the Heisman and led them to a national title.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I mean the previous candidate was Hugh Freeze.
He turned FSU down to take less money and be a HC at ...LIBERTY...

I don't even think I ever heard Freeze named associated with FSU in the past month, I was spending all my time worrying he was gonna turn up in Knoxville.

A running "joke" around here is that Tech will hire McGriff to be their DC and that Paul Johnson ends up as the OC in Knoxvegas ... cause we just can't seem to escape that kinda shit.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by I. J. Reilly

Really, or is my sarcasm meter broken again?

There's the important distinction between consent and non-consensual. That said...

...how many escorts are doing sex work purely of their own will, and how many are in a situation where they feel compelled to do it through threats and fear and intimidation?

There's also the more subtle message being sent that football players should feel like they are owed sexual gratification, and that such an environment promotes attitudes that make rape more likely to happen.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

There's the important distinction between consent and non-consensual. That said...

...how many escorts are doing sex work purely of their own will, and how many are in a situation where they feel compelled to do it through threats and fear and intimidation?

There's also the more subtle message being sent that football players should feel like they are owed sexual gratification, and that such an environment promotes attitudes that make rape more likely to happen.

Well and there is the distinction of not responding to a young man inappropriate behavior vs encouraging and contributing to his inappropriate behavior...

[I. J. Reilly]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

There's the important distinction between consent and non-consensual. That said...

...how many escorts are doing sex work purely of their own will, and how many are in a situation where they feel compelled to do it through threats and fear and intimidation?

There's also the more subtle message being sent that football players should feel like they are owed sexual gratification, and that such an environment promotes attitudes that make rape more likely to happen.

Sure, they’re both bad for the girl involved. In the case of rape it’s horrible; in the case of prostitution it’s anywhere from horrible to, “eh, it’s a paycheck.”

That being said for the sake of CU’s argument as it relates to this subject I completely agree, you don’t want a coach willing to be involved with either anywhere near your program.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Well and there is the distinction of not responding to a young man inappropriate behavior vs encouraging and contributing to his inappropriate behavior...

Yep, that too. Have I mentioned how lucky Husky fans are to have Chris Petersen as their head coach?

[Radii]

Originally Posted by I. J. Reilly

Sure, they’re both bad for the girl involved. In the case of rape it’s horrible; in the case of prostitution it’s anywhere from horrible to, “eh, it’s a paycheck.”

I think this is certainly true in some cases, on the low end of the spectrum especially, but I think the morality police have truly fucked this narrative up for what are a essentially lot of independent businesswomen making a lot more that most of us for a lot less work, and a view that the best thing escorting can be is "eh, its a paycheck" borders on sexist.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Radii

and a view that the best thing escorting can be is "eh, its a paycheck" borders on sexist.

I'm pretty sure that's past "borders" honestly. It done hopped over the wall.

[I. J. Reilly]

Yeah, I shouldn’t really be commenting on this stuff I guess. I have a vague understanding of it running the gamut from professional and safe to straight up slavery, but what percentage of women fall into which category I have no idea.

And by it’s a paycheck I meant seeing their job about how I see mine. It’s not degrading or anything and some of it is even interesting, but I certainly wouldn’t be here every day without the paycheck.

[molson]

I know this stuff isn't necessarily bulletproof as far as coach movement but Syracuse definitely did its part to keep things going in a positive direction....

Syracuse Orange give extension to football coach Dino Babers

[GrantDawg]

How excited are you Tech fans for the Geoff Collins hire? It seems like a slam-dunk hire. My wife actually graduated high-school with him, and says he has always been a good guy.

[digamma]

He's doing and saying all the right things. Just not that optimistic with the state of play in college football and the lack of commitment to the football program from the university.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'm largely ... neutral(?) on Collins I think.

He's a big load of TBD right now, so I'm in wait-and-see mode.

[bob]

Yeah, I agree with Jon here. He's definitely a different kind of coach, so that might be a breath of fresh air, but he's going to have his hands full with the roster changing over, especially on OL. I could see it going south if he struggles to do that, but obviously hope he does well.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by molson

I know this stuff isn't necessarily bulletproof as far as coach movement but Syracuse definitely did its part to keep things going in a positive direction....

Syracuse Orange give extension to football coach Dino Babers

Real question. Have you been able to find the buyout number? I havent.
That is the only thing that matters. Schools HAVE to extend the coach every other year so he always has 5 years remaining. Otherwise he gets nailed in recruiting.


The tell is in how much he owes if he leaves and how much they owe if they fire him.


Dino is a damn good coach.

[molson]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Real question. Have you been able to find the buyout number? I havent.
That is the only thing that matters. Schools HAVE to extend the coach every other year so he always has 5 years remaining. Otherwise he gets nailed in recruiting.

The tell is in how much he owes if he leaves and how much they owe if they fire him.

Dino is a damn good coach.

We'll probably never know for sure, since I guess they don't have to disclose those things as a private school. But the assumption is its "substantial".

[bob]

Thoughts on the fact that Collins deal at GT is for 7 years?

Geoff Collins’ contract with Georgia Tech is atypically long

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by bob

Thoughts on the fact that Collins deal at GT is for 7 years?

I don't think I realized that, for whatever reason I thought it was five years. And 5 feels reasonable since I expect three of that to be roster rebuilding.

Seven is probably excessive IMO, unless the buyout in 6 & 7 are unusually favorable to the Institute.