Front Office Football Central  

Go Back   Front Office Football Central > Main Forums > Off Topic
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read Statistics

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 12-26-2013, 08:05 AM   #151
ColtCrazy
College Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Midwest
Didn't like it as much as the 50th (I'm a Baker fan so that kind of set the bar high), but thought it was pretty good. Felt the guest at the end kind of took away from the good bye with Clara….thought that lacked. Still, lots going on and I thought it went well. Excited about Capaldi. I think he'll do well.
ColtCrazy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-26-2013, 04:18 PM   #152
JediKooter
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego
I really enjoyed the episode last night and definitely looking forward to Capaldi's Doctor. He seems to have a original series Doctor feel to him...if that makes any sense.
__________________
I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me

Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4
JediKooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-26-2013, 06:26 PM   #153
DaddyTorgo
Hall Of Famer
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Massachusetts
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColtCrazy View Post
Didn't like it as much as the 50th (I'm a Baker fan so that kind of set the bar high), but thought it was pretty good. Felt the guest at the end kind of took away from the good bye with Clara….thought that lacked. Still, lots going on and I thought it went well. Excited about Capaldi. I think he'll do well.

Totally agree with your first point - but in that regard I'd venture it's probably safe to assume that the viewing public still likely views Clara as the "new companion" and when looking at this Doctor, she won't be the companion that people immediately associate with him the way that Amy Pond will be.

Right?
__________________
If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :)
BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5
ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9
DaddyTorgo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2013, 05:37 PM   #154
ColtCrazy
College Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Midwest
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo View Post
Totally agree with your first point - but in that regard I'd venture it's probably safe to assume that the viewing public still likely views Clara as the "new companion" and when looking at this Doctor, she won't be the companion that people immediately associate with him the way that Amy Pond will be.

Right?

That's a fair point. Pond was to Smith as Rose was to Tennant. It's even stronger, probably, since Smith's opening was all about Pond and the time rift.

I wonder if they will ever go back to having multiple companions as they did in the old show. I know they've had couples (Pond/Rory and Rose/Mikey), but I remember Baker had 3 at one time. Seems the focus in the new shows is the one to one relationship between the Doctor and his companion.
ColtCrazy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2013, 09:42 PM   #155
Abe Sargent
Hall Of Famer
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Catonsville, MD
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColtCrazy View Post
That's a fair point. Pond was to Smith as Rose was to Tennant. It's even stronger, probably, since Smith's opening was all about Pond and the time rift.

I wonder if they will ever go back to having multiple companions as they did in the old show. I know they've had couples (Pond/Rory and Rose/Mikey), but I remember Baker had 3 at one time. Seems the focus in the new shows is the one to one relationship between the Doctor and his companion.

There have been lots of times the dcotor had several. All of the episodes of the 1st and 2nd had at least two or sometimes three. If you count UNIT personnel for the 3rd then he often has more than just the lady, and the 5th always had at least two except for the last episode. I like the larger crew. Some of my favorite companions have been men like Harry Sullivan and Jamie McCrimmon and Capt. Jack.


I'd also like to see more compelling emotional arcs for companions. The Doctor often has people that just come aboard because he offers them randomly. But sometimes we've seen them with much better backstories. Take 2nd doctor companion Victoria. In a Daleks serial, her only parent, her father, sacrifices himself to save the Doctor- a plot line that happens a lot. He left his daughter an orphan, so the Doctor takes in this 14-15 year old girl because he feels beholden to her father. After a few serials of Cybermen, Ice Warriors and other nasties, she stays behind when they find a nice older couple who never managed to have a child, and becomes pseudo-adopted by them as her new family. That;s a really jilting arc to see in the companions. I'd love to see more of that.
__________________
Check out my two current weekly Magic columns!

https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

Last edited by Abe Sargent : 12-27-2013 at 09:47 PM.
Abe Sargent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2014, 01:13 AM   #156
sterlingice
Hall Of Famer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Back in Houston!
I fell like I've written this same screed at the end of every Matt Smith season: The entire Matt Smith era blurs together in my mind. I don't think Moffat knows quite how to use his tools over the course of a season, which is a real shame since his single episodes were so good.

Just to use one illustration, the last time we saw Gallifrey, it was a Russell T Davies grandiose over the top Master episode with Timothy Dalton guest starring. This time, all we get from going to that really important well is a beam of light and another regeneration that could have happened at any time but we took hundreds of years to do it.

And Moffat's best single episode assets become overused: River Song gets dumber as the series goes on and the Angels go from terrifying to commonplace. How did we go from the writer whose episodes created Captain Jack, River Song, and the Angels just sputter along? Home many times under Moffat have we had Daleks, Cybermen, and "all the doctor's enemies" brought together just for the hell of it: at least 3, right (Pandorica, Good Man Goes to War, Time of the Doctor)? Earlier episodes focused on just one because, well, monolithic evil is hard to write well.

Somehow we also get the silly red herring of the Doctor dying, not once but twice. If there's one thing you know won't happen in the show, it's the Doctor dying yet we tried that out twice for whole season plots (Impossible Astronaut and Trensalore). The mystery of his name went nowhere but how could it really- there's just not much meat there?

Amy's character arc is ok- the fish fingers and custard thing started out really well- but then she became kindof generic like Martha. Rory gets the best emotional moment in their whole arc in the season 5 finale, tho the plot to that didn't quite make sense. And there's an insignificant amount of emotional heft when they disappear, even with the Angels shoehorned in. Clara is an odd mystery and I liked the way they resolved that plot with the Doctor's time stream. However, I don't think Jenna Louise Coleman is all that good of an actress.

I'm hoping that with a new Doctor, we get a new way of doing the show. It's not Matt Smith's fault, but I feel the show has lost its way. Russell T Davies overwrote messes but it's better than just meandering around in the dark.

SI
__________________
Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out!

Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!"
Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"


sterlingice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2014, 11:46 PM   #157
JediKooter
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego
Ok, when the heck does the new season of Doctor Who start with Peter Capaldi?
__________________
I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me

Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4
JediKooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 11:24 AM   #158
MartinD
High School Varsity
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: East Lothian, Scotland
Quote:
Originally Posted by JediKooter View Post
Ok, when the heck does the new season of Doctor Who start with Peter Capaldi?

There doesn't appear to have been an official announcement yet, but current thinking seems to be that series 8 will be shown on the BBC in the UK in the autumn of 2014.
MartinD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 12:08 PM   #159
JediKooter
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinD View Post
There doesn't appear to have been an official announcement yet, but current thinking seems to be that series 8 will be shown on the BBC in the UK in the autumn of 2014.

Thank you Martin! Hopefully we will get it here in the states around the same time as in the UK. Would make for a great autumn with Doctor Who and The Walking Dead.
__________________
I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me

Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4
JediKooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2014, 06:02 PM   #160
Critch
lolzcat
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Herndon, VA
BBC ran a trailer for the new Doctor Who at halftime of some soccer match today:



Personally I cannot wait for August 23rd.
Critch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2014, 03:46 PM   #161
JediKooter
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego
Anyone catch the first episode of the new season? Not a bad introduction to the new Doctor in my opinion and looking forward to the rest of the season.
__________________
I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me

Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4
JediKooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2014, 03:47 PM   #162
DaddyTorgo
Hall Of Famer
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Massachusetts
Quote:
Originally Posted by JediKooter View Post
Anyone catch the first episode of the new season? Not a bad introduction to the new Doctor in my opinion and looking forward to the rest of the season.

Yeah - I'm still processing it. I watched it, and I have it on my DVR to watch again before I can really come to any conclusions.
DaddyTorgo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2014, 03:49 PM   #163
JediKooter
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo View Post
Yeah - I'm still processing it. I watched it, and I have it on my DVR to watch again before I can really come to any conclusions.

I know what you mean. I had to watch it twice because it seemed like I had missed a couple of things, but, it was just me.
__________________
I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me

Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4
JediKooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2014, 07:53 AM   #164
Coffee Warlord
Head Coach
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Colorado Springs
Sick of the Daleks, but I'm liking Capaldi in the role.

And you heard it here first. My official prediction for how the finale plays out:

Spoiler
Coffee Warlord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2014, 09:27 AM   #165
DaddyTorgo
Hall Of Famer
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Massachusetts
Anybody close to Beacon, NY?

http://imgur.com/a/lMhBq
DaddyTorgo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2017, 09:45 AM   #166
Critch
lolzcat
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Herndon, VA
...and two and a half years later, Capaldi has quit.

It's not been a great time for Doctor Who, down more to the writing than Capaldi.
Critch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2017, 11:16 AM   #167
General Mike
Pro Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: The State of Rutgers
Quote:
Originally Posted by Critch View Post
...and two and a half years later, Capaldi has quit.

It's not been a great time for Doctor Who, down more to the writing than Capaldi.

They got 3 seasons and 3 Christmas specials out of him. Isn't that par for the course?
__________________
Boise Stampede
Continental Football League
Jacksonville Jaguars GM North American Football League
Nebraska Coach FOFC-BBCF
Rutgers & Washington coach Bowl Bound-BBCF
General Mike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2017, 01:23 PM   #168
Comey
College Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: CT via PA via CA via PA
It was also well-known that Chris Chibnall, while happy to write with Capaldi, is looking to start totally new, too. So, this was the most logical thing to do.
__________________

Comey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2017, 08:11 PM   #169
EagleFan
Hall Of Famer
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA
Quote:
Originally Posted by General Mike View Post
They got 3 seasons and 3 Christmas specials out of him. Isn't that par for the course?

This.
EagleFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2017, 11:03 AM   #170
Thomkal
Head Coach
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA
Don't watch the show, but saw this announced, and its certainly an interesting choice...

Doctor Who Announces Jodie Whitaker As Thirteenth Doctor
__________________
Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion!
10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!
Thomkal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 09:22 AM   #171
Critch
lolzcat
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Herndon, VA
I've been a Doctor Who fan since I was a mini-Critch way back in the 70s, Jon Pertwee was the first (and still the best) that I remember, but I gave up about halfway through Capaldi's last season. Every week I'd spend my Saturday evening downloading the latest episode, I'd sit and watch it with no laptop to distract me from the tv, and then when it finished I'd say to my wife "well that was crap" and she'd make fun of me for watching a children's tv show.

To avoid the appearance of being a grumpy old man who'd given up on Doctor Who because of the rampant PC craziness of a female Doctor, I decided to catch up again.

Over the last week I've finished off the last half of the Capaldi run (generally crap), and watched the first 6 of Jodie Whittaker's run. I've liked her as the Doctor, she's fitted in well, but I think she's doomed to the same fate as Capaldi. A good Doctor let down by bad writing. It's not awful, it just doesnt have the highpoints that used to make it worth watching. Since the reboot a Doctor Who season has generally been a mix of good episodes and filler episodes, over the last couple of seasons it's become all filler.

It's apparently been announced that 2019 is being skipped and there wont be a new season until 2020, so hopefully the delay will give them time to get back to get back to a worth-watching level.
Critch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 11:01 AM   #172
AlexB
Pro Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Newbury, England
Agreed. I watched the first few, but gave up. I really liked her, thought the two younger characters had potential, but the writing was terrible. In the reboots, there have two standouts in Tennant and Smith, Ecclestone was good, but The last two doctors have suffered from poor material

I think it was Stephen Moffatt that was the driver: as soon as he took a reduced role with Capaldi it got worse, and now he’s nothing to do with the writing it’s sanctimonious and preachy instead of humourous and edgy. No real story arcs have hurt this series too.

Notsure of the scheduling there, but it got bumped to Sundays and NYD instead of Saturdays and Christmas Day, which is never a good sign.
__________________
'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer.
When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you.
Sports!

Last edited by AlexB : 01-15-2019 at 11:02 AM.
AlexB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 11:45 AM   #173
Bobble
College Prospect
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: High and outside
I'm a more recent Whovian but I have to agree. I liked Capaldi and I like Jodie as well. Both actors brought a lot to the role. I just think the writing is poor. Some good material in there. I enjoyed the recent return of a much-hated villain but there were too many plot holes, dead ends, puzzling choices, and crappy jokes. Is this the best they can do?
Bobble is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 02:05 PM   #174
sabotai
General Manager
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: The Satellite of Love
Same here. I think both Capaldi and Jodie are good Doctors, but the writing has been terrible. I'm only a few episodes into Jodie's season, but so far it's just "monster of the week" episodes.

Even with some of the issues I had with the Tennant and Smith writing (there were some episodes that were stinkers in there), there was always a good, season or multi-season long plotline that pushed the series forward. First season of Capaldi, the season long plot was bad, and then the next one was bad....and the next one.

I guess they didn't even bother with a season long plot line for Jodie's first season.
sabotai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2021, 09:24 PM   #175
sterlingice
Hall Of Famer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Back in Houston!
Good news (I think): Russell T. Davies is back in charge:
Russell T Davies to return as Doctor Who showrunner | Doctor Who

SI
__________________
Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out!

Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!"
Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"



Last edited by sterlingice : 09-24-2021 at 09:24 PM.
sterlingice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2021, 09:30 PM   #176
sterlingice
Hall Of Famer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Back in Houston!
Quote:
Originally Posted by sterlingice View Post
I fell like I've written this same screed at the end of every Matt Smith season: The entire Matt Smith era blurs together in my mind. I don't think Moffat knows quite how to use his tools over the course of a season, which is a real shame since his single episodes were so good.

Just to use one illustration, the last time we saw Gallifrey, it was a Russell T Davies grandiose over the top Master episode with Timothy Dalton guest starring. This time, all we get from going to that really important well is a beam of light and another regeneration that could have happened at any time but we took hundreds of years to do it.

And Moffat's best single episode assets become overused: River Song gets dumber as the series goes on and the Angels go from terrifying to commonplace. How did we go from the writer whose episodes created Captain Jack, River Song, and the Angels just sputter along? Home many times under Moffat have we had Daleks, Cybermen, and "all the doctor's enemies" brought together just for the hell of it: at least 3, right (Pandorica, Good Man Goes to War, Time of the Doctor)? Earlier episodes focused on just one because, well, monolithic evil is hard to write well.

Somehow we also get the silly red herring of the Doctor dying, not once but twice. If there's one thing you know won't happen in the show, it's the Doctor dying yet we tried that out twice for whole season plots (Impossible Astronaut and Trensalore). The mystery of his name went nowhere but how could it really- there's just not much meat there?

Amy's character arc is ok- the fish fingers and custard thing started out really well- but then she became kindof generic like Martha. Rory gets the best emotional moment in their whole arc in the season 5 finale, tho the plot to that didn't quite make sense. And there's an insignificant amount of emotional heft when they disappear, even with the Angels shoehorned in. Clara is an odd mystery and I liked the way they resolved that plot with the Doctor's time stream. However, I don't think Jenna Louise Coleman is all that good of an actress.

I'm hoping that with a new Doctor, we get a new way of doing the show. It's not Matt Smith's fault, but I feel the show has lost its way. Russell T Davies overwrote messes but it's better than just meandering around in the dark.

SI

This still feels accurate 7 years later. And then we had both Capaldi and Whitaker, who played fine doctors, let down by mediocre directing, bad writing, and bad showrunning. There never seemed to be any vision for the "big picture" the last few seasons. There were season-long plots but the overall feel of the show felt aimless. I'm now longing for RTD's overwritten messes, having seen the alternative. I mean, at the end of the day, it's Doctor Who so overwritten and over the top is to be expected, some.

SI
__________________
Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out!

Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!"
Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"


sterlingice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2024, 07:25 PM   #177
Critch
lolzcat
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Herndon, VA
I've just caught up on the three 2023 specials and the Christmas episode with the new doctor and assistant and I liked them all. First time in years I've liked four episodes in a row.

They weren't perfect, a couple of them had the usual Russell T Davies problems (good idea, good storyline, cant write an ending) and the Christmas episode was a bit silly as Christmas episodes always are, but overall it was the best run of episodes in years. Good to see David Tennant back as the Doctor even if it was only for a short run.
Critch is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:07 AM.



Powered by vBulletin Version 3.6.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.