WW CLVI - Clue: Master Detective - GAME OVER! MURDERERS WIN! (Post 1817)

[PackerFanatic]

That is one who I was going to look at too, mau. UTR by this point pings me pretty good (and I should know, that is usually how I play wolf and it almost always comes back to bite me...lol)

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by mauchow

Zinto dying must have converted path during the night and with jag trying to take down one more person he got a wolf for us in their deathly struggle? No idea.

That could be...but that likely means either path went after Zinto or Zinto went after path. Knowing that path was Mustard, I can't imagine Zinto would go after him willingly.

[PackerFanatic]

Willing to move this later, but I don't know how much I will be around today.

VOTE KATYLIED

[mauchow]

I hate to play like this but I wonder why danny is still alive.

[DQ_BOY1000]

Originally Posted by mauchow

I hate to play like this but I wonder why danny is still alive.

Can you refresh my memory? I don't know much about him.

[Danny]

I am a very strong villager and good at finding wolves. This makes me a popular early game kill target.

As for why I am alive, I see why I wasnt killed last night, but its interesting the wolves chose to kill Autumn and Hoopsguy over me. I can't really say why and I expect suspicion because of that.

[Danny]

I have a pretty busy day but should be able to go home a little early though, so while I cant contribute much for most of the day, I will be able to be active the last 2+ hours leading to deadline

[bhlloy]

vote mauchow

Not going to put a third vote on KatyLied right now, although I am pretty suspicious of anyone who plays that UTR.

Mau's game is interesting to me, he's been very UTR himself for the kind of game he plays, and now most of the big six have gone he's very willing to tell us what we should be thinking.

[KatyLied]

Sorry for my seemingly UTR play - I realize for my first game that's not going to endear me to anybody. I've just been (1) swamped at work and (2) trying to figure out WW logic. Because I'm so nooby I really don't have any strategy to share (understatement). That said, despite my lynch vote, I'm not a threat to anyone.

[mauchow]

I'm only giving opinions which is all we have at this point. I'm not good at dissecting voting history so I'm no help there. Besides I don't believe we've got anything to go off as it seems we had wolf wolf or a day cut short by dq and a landslide vote yesterday.

[mauchow]

9 - JAG (Chubby 1455, Mau 1509, Danny 1517, brit 1518, DQ 1519, path12 1524, Zinto 1541, Saldana 1576, KatyLied 1585)
3 - Zinto (Jag 1503, PF 1554, bhlloy 1561)

[saldana]

i did so reveal, yesterday...i hate when people make blatant misrepresentations of me...makes my vote easy for today considering he hasnt said anything about himself, but wants to point fingers at me.

vote mau

[mauchow]

7 - Font (Chubby 1042, PackerFanatic 1049, JAG 1053, mauchow 1113, Zinto 1173, Autumn 1260, DQ 1271)
4 - DQ (Lathum 1273, path 1300, font 1305, DT 1306)
2 - Chubby (Brit 1246, Katy 1272)
2 - Britrock (Saldana 1106, bhlloy 1133)

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by saldana

i did so reveal, yesterday...i hate when people make blatant misrepresentations of me...makes my vote easy for today considering he hasnt said anything about himself, but wants to point fingers at me.

vote mau

Ohh testy. Blatant misrepresentation? Okay. Whatever.

[Coffee Warlord]

*smacks mau for using red*

[Coffee Warlord]

2 - Katy (mau 1649, PF 1653)
2 - Mau (bhlloy 1658, saldana 1662)

[mauchow]

11 - bullet - bhlloy (837), hoopsguy (829), Danny (815), path12 (753), Autumn (587), Chubby (911), ZInto (916), JAG(923), fontisian (930), PackerFanatic (936), DaddyTogo (925)
5 - Chubby - Lathum (787), saldana (675), britrock88 (657), , DQ_BOY (915), bulletsponge (934)
4 - Autumn - KatyLied (730)
1 - fontisian - mauchow (763),
1 - Lathum - ntndeacon (690)

[mauchow]

Sorry I'm just quoting..

[mauchow]

I am glad you clarified it for me saldana as it makes you one of three for me as one that could have started out as a murderer.

[mauchow]

And no I'm not revealing and because I don't I know it makes me a target. Thats WW baby.

[DQ_BOY1000]

Originally Posted by KatyLied

I've just been (1) swamped at work

This is very true. She has been playing real life WW! And mostly explains the UTR play.

However don't underestimate her. For now I don't think she is lying, though I would like to know more about what her role is.

[Lathum]

Vote
KAtyLied

Don't get discouraged, takes some thime to wrap your head around the game. That being said at some point gotta look your way.

[mauchow]

If all the late arrivals want to reveal I will be glad to do it (last cuz thats how i roll) and I will explain why I know saldana would be hypothetically one of three possible who would start as a murderer if we are saying that there was at least one starting murderer in the late arrivals.

[mauchow]

My theory could possibly be debunked but I'd like to believe that with my role/ability it would ensure that my theory is correct.

[bhlloy]

If others powers are as specific as mine, I don't know if it's a good idea to reveal.

I do agree with one thing you said above Mau, it's back to square one here.

[mauchow]

You wouldn't need to reveal your ability just the character.

[PackerFanatic]

How would having the character even help at this point? It wasn't as important as the folks in the house, who some were tied with others.

[mauchow]

Well having the characters reveal opens up who we all are and then we get to see if someone lies about who they are.

[DaddyTorgo]

Surprised the wolves didn't nightkill me, since I have been cleared now and all.

[mauchow]

No one else seems to have any ideas so...

As said before if we are assuming that we'd have one late comer be a murderer this is an updated, correct version of those late comers:

Mau: unknown and uncleared
Saldana: Gardener, uncleared
DT: unknown, cannot be starting murderer...unless somehow has cunning. I guess the corrupt cop could fall under the possibility
Bhlloy: unknown and uncleared
Danny: unknown and uncleared
Katy: unknown and uncleared

I am willing to keep DT off the possible wolf list for now. If we later find out he's sargeant grey then we can re-evaluate.

That leaves me, sal, danny, katy, bhlloy.

Sal's quick and unreasonable vote on me followed by bhlloy definitely concerns me with the two of them but at the same time I know I should be a candidate too..but not for the reasons saldana listed.

[mauchow]

Reference

Originally Posted by britrock88

time	post #	voter	votee	# votes
10:48	132	JAG	brit	1
11:26	137	Danny	hoops	-
13:56	141	mau	Zinto	1
18:24	150	ntn	murray	1
18:52	152	brit	JAG	1
19:29	154	Danny	x hoops	-
08:58	194	PF	brit	2
10:12	203	bullet	brit	3
10:13	204	Lathum	murray	2
10:51	210	murray	DQ	1
11:16	216	bullet	x brit	2
			CR	1
12:08	226	Danny	hoops	-
12:34	229	Danny	x hoops	-
12:35	231	DQ_BOY	murray	3
12:50	238	Danny	Chubby	1
13:26	248	Autumn	Chubby	2
13:36	251	murray	x DQ	0
			Chubby	3
14:28	272	sal	Autumn	-
14:36	276	hoops	path	1
14:40	278	path	brit	3
14:48	281	sal	xAutumn	-
15:33	291	Chubby	murray	4
15:34	292	DV	brit	4
15:51	304	sal	JAG	2
16:26	317	CR	JAG	3
16:50	332	mau	x Zinto	0
			Chubby	4
16:55	335	ntn	xmurray	3
			brit	5
16:59	336	font	murray	4
17:12	342	Zinto	murray	5
17:24	345	font	xmurray	4
			Chubby	5
17:40	350	Katy	CR	2
18:52	364	CR	x JAG	2
			brit	6
19:02	366	sal	x JAG	1
			murray	5
19:47	387	Danny	xChubby	4
			brit	7
19:49	390	DT	murray	6
19:51	392	brit	x JAG	0
			murray	7
19:52	393	Chubby	xmurray	6
			brit	8
19:54	396	murray	xChubby	3
19:58	409	murray	brit	9
19:58	410	Katy	x CR	1
			murray	7
19:58	411	Danny	x brit	8
			murray	8
19:59	415	JAG	x brit	7
			murray	9
19:59	416	mau	xChubby	2
			brit	8
19:59	417	Chubby	x brit	7
			murray	10
19:59	419	mau	x brit	6
			murray	11
19:59	420	Chubby	xmurray	10
			brit	7

[Coffee Warlord]

3 - Katy (mau 1649, PF 1653, Lathum 1672)
2 - Mau (bhlloy 1658, saldana 1662)

[mauchow]

Do we think boddy had pm commuincation with wolves? I'd think not.

[mauchow]

Bhlloys only good vote at this point is on bullet.

Sal doesn't have much good either other.

Katy looks just as bad

Danny's record is similar to bhlloys but with the landslide vote on jag.

My voting record has been slightly better than any of these four so as of right now a vote on me is the result of piss poor breakdown of the info we have.

[DQ_BOY1000]

Ohhh this is just ridiculous... I am just going to vote:

VOTE KatyLied

[DQ_BOY1000]

I have been upgraded to Mascot! Woot Woot!

[mauchow]

Still three votes left so plenty can happen.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Danny come flying in to suggest a third candidate which then causes a rush of vote switches onto them.. 6.5 hours to go til deadline. At 5 I am heading to hospital to bathe 1 mo old girl and hang out til 7 then its come home, bathe son, bedtime and I should be able to be around for thelast 20 minutes before deadline.

[Chubby]

go village!

[KatyLied]

I'm Miss Peach, which seems impossible to deduce, but should have been clear to DQ_BOY and Brit (RIP) from the character description alone - an innocent flower among sordid fellows indeed. My superpower is of little or no value (or cost) to anyone but me, so I'll keep that to myself for now.

[mauchow]

Mau: unknown and uncleared
Saldana: Gardener, uncleared
DT: unknown, cannot be starting murderer...unless somehow has cunning. I guess the corrupt cop could fall under the possibility
Bhlloy: unknown and uncleared
Danny: unknown and uncleared
Katy: Miss peach and uncleared
That leaves

Sargeant Grey
The Chief
Lady Lavender
Rusty Nailor
Mr Meadow-Brook

[bhlloy]

I was first on you Mau, I didn't follow Saldana. Just for the record. Sal is pinging me a little now in the last page though, I have to admit.

Also, I agree that my only good vote is on Bullet, but I also broke the tie on him late in the day and was the one who pushed the Bullet as Miss Scarlet theory. Very little chance a wolf does that. Of course I could have been good then and bad now, but I think I've been playing a pretty consistent villager game throughout.

[bhlloy]

I see absolutely no point in role reveals without powers, and revealing powers just gives a blueprint of who to kill IMO.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by mauchow

Do we think boddy had pm commuincation with wolves? I'd think not.

I think the fact that he and JAG killed each other pretty strongly suggests he didn't

[mauchow]

My train of thought today has only been to seek out the possibility of a starting murderer in the group of nine latecomers. Thats why DT has not been included. However if we are going to expand on our list we need to start over and come up witha plan.

[bhlloy]

I think that's solid, mau. Last nights writeup said that Boddy was the only starting murderer, with the original writeups I think we're on the right track with assuming somebody who came into the house was a murderer at this point.

[bhlloy]

wait, why is DT not on your list? He started out of the house

- KatyLied
- Darth Vilus
- hoopsguy
- bhlloy
- mauchow
- DaddyTorgo
- Autumn
- Saldana
- Danny

[mauchow]

Cleared by brit

[bhlloy]

OK, thought you were suggesting he started in another group. I remember now

[mauchow]

Off my list as someone who could have started as a murderer and as I said being a corrupt cop perhaps he gets the cunning ability. Heck I could even see the Chief having the cunning (only honest cop) ability if somehow he started as a murderer. I just don't know the best plan of action.

I do think the idea that lathum or DQ being a big six starting wolf seems unlikely..

[bhlloy]

I guess the writeup wasn't as specific as I remembered it but I still suspect that JAG was the only starting wolf

JAG was Mr Boddy! He was the original murderer!