NFL 2018 Off Season Thread - Page 4

Thomkal · 03-10-2018, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

OBJ might want to ban cell phones from his hotel rooms...

OBJ might want to grow up...

stevew · 03-10-2018, 04:31 PM

The Browns have to be working with some sort of edict that says "win 6 games or get fired, no matter what." If I knew i needed to win at least 6 games, Taylor is more than a safe bet for that. Landry is going to probably be significantly overpaid, but he's great at catching the ball and should be a solid safety net. I'd say they're turning the corner but they are the browns.

EagleFan · 03-10-2018, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

OBJ might want to grow up...

Doubt that is going to happen.

Thomkal · 03-10-2018, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Yep he's getting a physical is what I saw. Seems to be a good fit.

And he's signed a three-year deal now.

Galaril · 03-10-2018, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

And he's signed a three-year deal now.

Wow $39 million over 3 years.

NobodyHere · 03-11-2018, 01:05 PM

Report: Kirk Cousins to sign with the Vikings at $27-plus million annually

cartman · 03-11-2018, 01:21 PM

Are the Vikings looking to go with a 4 QB offense? Or have I missed something and they already have a deal to move Bridgewater, Keenum, or Bradford?

edit: forgot Keenum was a FA
edit2: hell, I didn't realize all three were FAs

Thomkal · 03-11-2018, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Report: Kirk Cousins to sign with the Vikings at $27-plus million annually

Hoping my beloved Cards were still in there with a chance.

thesloppy · 03-11-2018, 02:13 PM

I really don't get the Vikings/Cousins romance. After last year's performance you go with the guy who wasn't even on the team? "Scrappy underdog team over-performs with nobody and replaces him with highest cost free agent" also seems like a sports narrative that ends in failure 4-out-of-5 times.

bhlloy · 03-11-2018, 02:45 PM

Problem is Keenum is going to get overpaid as well, Bradford is a walking season ending injury and who knows if Bridgewater is ever coming back anything close to what he was before the injury.

I don't disagree, but I also think the other narratives are just as likely to end in failure.

stevew · 03-11-2018, 03:52 PM

I'd rather overpay cousins than keenum.

thesloppy · 03-11-2018, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

Problem is Keenum is going to get overpaid as well, Bradford is a walking season ending injury and who knows if Bridgewater is ever coming back anything close to what he was before the injury.

I don't disagree, but I also think the other narratives are just as likely to end in failure.

Truth. And in truth Keenum is the only one of those that I'd actually want to take a(nother) chance on, but I suppose the argument for Keenum's familiarity glosses over the fact that the Vikings also know his limitations better than anybody else.

thesloppy · 03-11-2018, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I'd rather overpay cousins than keenum.

I think in a vacuum, or for literally any other team I'm in total agreement, Cousins is the better QB. The only thing that makes me question the move is the fact that system/continuity SEEMS to count for a lot in football and it seems like big-ticket Free Agency QBs fail more often than not because nobody adjusts their expectations or makes any allowance for that transition...but that assumption isn't based on any kinds of research or facts rather than the hot air in my butt.

That said, it seems like QBs AND high priced free agents fail at a higher rate in Washington, so Cousins repeated success in those environments might point to his ability to withstand those particular concerns better than the typical FA QB.

bhlloy · 03-11-2018, 04:36 PM

I think my optimal play would be Keenum and Bridgewater on deals that are highly incentivized , but whether you can pull that off is another matter. I don't think the market for Bridgewater will be there, Keenum will depend on whether a bunch of teams like him better than guys like Foles and McCarron.

Thomkal · 03-12-2018, 10:05 PM

So apparently the Vikings have called Drew Brees to gauge his interest in signing with them.

Vikings call Drew Brees to inquire about interest - NFL.com

bhlloy · 03-13-2018, 01:26 AM

And Keenum to Denver, sounds like. Pretty decent bridge for a QB in the first.

Galaril · 03-13-2018, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

And Keenum to Denver, sounds like. Pretty decent bridge for a QB in the first.

Hope we don't pick a QB in the first or second now. Rather we trade back with Bills the 5th overall and get the 12th and 22nd. Then get McGlinchey and Will Hernandez. Then get a RB and I'll in the second and third. Draft someone developmental in the end of third or early 4th like White or kid from Washington St etc. Denver is not just a QB away from competing and the Keenum signing is a good sign that Elway is honest with the fans they are a ways off.

Ryche · 03-13-2018, 07:58 AM

Hopefully the Broncos go with the guard from Notre Dame in the first, draft a QB later. Have to fix that offensive line.

Ryche · 03-13-2018, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Hope we don't pick a QB in the first or second now. Rather we trade back with Bills the 5th overall and get the 12th and 22nd. Then get McGlinchey and Will Hernandez. Then get a RB and I'll in the second and third. Draft someone developmental in the end of third or early 4th like White or kid from Washington St etc. Denver is not just a QB away from competing and the Keenum signing is a good sign that Elway is honest with the fans they are a ways off.

Or that.

Coffee Warlord · 03-13-2018, 08:12 AM

Bears apparently have a deal in place with Allen Robinson.

Which means, the top 3 WR's for the Bears, such as they are, go like so:

Allen Robinson - ACL Tear
Cameron Meredith - ACL Tear
Kevin White - Med School Case Study

Logan · 03-13-2018, 08:38 AM

The teams in the back half of the top 10 or so who don't need a QB are sitting on a goldmine. Not only for the trade potential if one of the QBs falls, but teams like the Niners and Raiders are going to get top 5 non-QB talent while sitting at 9 and 10.

albionmoonlight · 03-13-2018, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

OBJ might want to grow up...

OBJ is an injury prone head case who's gonna cost top dollar.

It takes some balls to do this, but the Giants should let him walk.

Dedicating your cap to a WR is already not the best idea. Dedicating it to a WR who's great for the 11 games per year he's not injured and who is constantly causing distractions is a bad play.

Let him go destroy some other team's cap and chemistry.

Logan · 03-13-2018, 09:01 AM

Where does the Dolphins giving 3 years and $24 million to Albert Wilson fit on that list?

Yikes.

Thomkal · 03-13-2018, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

So apparently the Vikings have called Drew Brees to gauge his interest in signing with them.

Vikings call Drew Brees to inquire about interest - NFL.com

Apparently there wasn't any-Brees resigns with NO

TLK · 03-13-2018, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Where does the Dolphins giving 3 years and $24 million to Albert Wilson fit on that list?

Yikes.

So cut Suh and sign Wilson? Nice.

Logan · 03-13-2018, 01:29 PM

Now the Dolphins are adding Amendola too. I have no idea what they're doing.

NobodyHere · 03-13-2018, 01:43 PM

I just hope the Colts are doing something. I expected to hear more news out of them by now.

CU Tiger · 03-13-2018, 01:56 PM

Not sure about Sammy to the Chiefs.

albionmoonlight · 03-13-2018, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I just hope the Colts are doing something. I expected to hear more news out of them by now.

Don't sweat it. There seems to be an inverse relationship between the teams that win the first day of free agency and the teams that actually win.

Thomkal · 03-13-2018, 02:23 PM

well I had hoped my beloved Cards would sign one of the free agent QB's (because you know they have zero on the roster), but this one perhaps would have been last on my list:

Sam Bradford intends to sign with the Arizona Cardinals

Too much of an injury history to be a good fit there, especially with recent history to Palmer and anyone else suiting up at QB. I hope they are still going after a QB in the first round.

Galaril · 03-13-2018, 02:31 PM

It sounds like Keenum deal is for basically a two-year deal for $18 million/year and after that it would be a team option so that maybe is ok if we draft a QB project in the mid rounds. I really hope we don't get sucked into drafting one in the first and instead trade back to fix oline.

stevew · 03-13-2018, 02:41 PM

Sam Bradford has thrived at being in the right place at the right time.

stevew · 03-13-2018, 03:25 PM

That's a whole lot of coin for Sammy Watkins. Not even sure he's that good. 750 yards a season and 6 touchdowns. 16 million dollars a year.

rjolley · 03-13-2018, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Bears apparently have a deal in place with Allen Robinson.

Which means, the top 3 WR's for the Bears, such as they are, go like so:

Allen Robinson - ACL Tear
Cameron Meredith - ACL Tear
Kevin White - Med School Case Study

Not the best crew, but the gamble is worth it. If Robinson and Meredith come back and play well, that's a solid start. Adding TE Burton and resigning Inman would give Trubisky more targets and would keep them from drafting a WR early. They need to focus on the defense and the OL.

SirFozzie · 03-13-2018, 03:31 PM

apparently the Cousins deal is FULLY GUARANTEED.

Logan · 03-13-2018, 04:06 PM

Jets giving $10MM to McCown for another season.

I wonder what Bridgewater was looking for. Considering they're not guaranteed to get their future QB at #6, I'd think they would at least take a shot at some upside with Teddy.

Thomkal · 03-13-2018, 04:23 PM

they are in talks with Bridgewater, so still could happen

miked · 03-13-2018, 07:03 PM

Jets have nearly 90M in cap space. Makes sense to sign the guy that did fairly ok as bridge for one more year if they don't get touchdown Teddy. They certainly do not appear to be doing shit else with the money.

Logan · 03-13-2018, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

they are in talks with Bridgewater, so still could happen

That makes the whole thing make even less sense to me. McCown's value is as a placeholder and mentor to a young kid. If they sign Teddy and he earns the job, he's a $10MM backup and a very full QB room.

jbergey22 · 03-13-2018, 08:11 PM

Didnt expect the Vikings to get Cousins. At the possible expense of letting some key defensive players become free agents.

On the other hand it is nice to know that the team is serious about wanting a Super Bowl title and will take chances to get to that point.

Nice to see Keenum get rewarded. I dont know that he could have played any better this past season but I dont think the falloff with be as steep as some are expecting either.

Logan · 03-14-2018, 10:02 AM

Nate Solder to the Giants.

bhlloy · 03-14-2018, 02:10 PM

So the Niners are paying Jerrick McKinnon and Kyle Jusczyk over 10 million against the cap for the next few years? That front office is a puzzling mix of insanity and brilliance.

There's no way you couldn't find a McKinnon in the third or fourth round of the draft rather than paying him 7-8 million a year.

bhlloy · 03-14-2018, 02:21 PM

DOLA - the only RB with a larger cap hit than McKinnon is now Shady. That is just bizarre, we faxed the wrong guy a contract kind of stuff.

NobodyHere · 03-14-2018, 02:28 PM

Maybe the Colts are just waiting for free agency to start before they start making deals with free agents?

Thomkal · 03-14-2018, 08:14 PM

well the Cards QB class now consists of Bradford, and the newly signed Mike Glennon, who after last season shouldn't be on anyone's want list. Just not getting their plan here-if they choose now not to go QB in the 1st round.

Oh and the Vikings traded for Trevor Sieman.
McCarron to the Bills

NobodyHere · 03-16-2018, 01:35 PM

Report: Burfict suspended four games for PEDs

Thomkal · 03-16-2018, 02:59 PM

Burlict in trouble again? Shocking!

Kodos · 03-16-2018, 03:09 PM

He seems like a real quality guy.

Thomkal · 03-17-2018, 10:34 AM

Jets move up to #3 in the draft:

Jets acquire No. 3 overall pick of 2018 draft from Colts - NFL.com

NobodyHere · 03-17-2018, 12:37 PM

Well Ballard isn't building the team via free agency, might as well do it during the draft. I definitely have a positive first impression to this trade as a Colt fan.

I figured the Colts would trade the pick, but I really didn't expect it to happen until they were on the clock.

03-10-2018, 04:31 PM	#152
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	The Browns have to be working with some sort of edict that says "win 6 games or get fired, no matter what." If I knew i needed to win at least 6 games, Taylor is more than a safe bet for that. Landry is going to probably be significantly overpaid, but he's great at catching the ball and should be a solid safety net. I'd say they're turning the corner but they are the browns. Last edited by stevew : 03-10-2018 at 04:37 PM.

03-11-2018, 01:05 PM	#156
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	Report: Kirk Cousins to sign with the Vikings at $27-plus million annually __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

03-11-2018, 01:21 PM	#157
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Are the Vikings looking to go with a 4 QB offense? Or have I missed something and they already have a deal to move Bridgewater, Keenum, or Bradford? edit: forgot Keenum was a FA edit2: hell, I didn't realize all three were FAs __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint Last edited by cartman : 03-11-2018 at 01:24 PM.

03-11-2018, 02:13 PM	#159
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	I really don't get the Vikings/Cousins romance. After last year's performance you go with the guy who wasn't even on the team? "Scrappy underdog team over-performs with nobody and replaces him with highest cost free agent" also seems like a sports narrative that ends in failure 4-out-of-5 times. __________________ Last edited by thesloppy : Today at 05:35 PM.

03-12-2018, 10:05 PM	#165
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	So apparently the Vikings have called Drew Brees to gauge his interest in signing with them. Vikings call Drew Brees to inquire about interest - NFL.com __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

03-11-2018, 02:45 PM	#160
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Problem is Keenum is going to get overpaid as well, Bradford is a walking season ending injury and who knows if Bridgewater is ever coming back anything close to what he was before the injury. I don't disagree, but I also think the other narratives are just as likely to end in failure.

03-11-2018, 03:52 PM	#161
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I'd rather overpay cousins than keenum.

03-11-2018, 04:36 PM	#164
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I think my optimal play would be Keenum and Bridgewater on deals that are highly incentivized , but whether you can pull that off is another matter. I don't think the market for Bridgewater will be there, Keenum will depend on whether a bunch of teams like him better than guys like Foles and McCarron.

03-13-2018, 01:26 AM	#166
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	And Keenum to Denver, sounds like. Pretty decent bridge for a QB in the first.

03-13-2018, 07:58 AM	#168
Ryche College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Highlands Ranch, CO, USA	Hopefully the Broncos go with the guard from Notre Dame in the first, draft a QB later. Have to fix that offensive line. __________________ Some knots are better left untied.

03-13-2018, 08:12 AM	#170
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Bears apparently have a deal in place with Allen Robinson. Which means, the top 3 WR's for the Bears, such as they are, go like so: Allen Robinson - ACL Tear Cameron Meredith - ACL Tear Kevin White - Med School Case Study

03-13-2018, 08:38 AM	#171
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	The teams in the back half of the top 10 or so who don't need a QB are sitting on a goldmine. Not only for the trade potential if one of the QBs falls, but teams like the Niners and Raiders are going to get top 5 non-QB talent while sitting at 9 and 10.

03-13-2018, 09:01 AM	#173
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Where does the Dolphins giving 3 years and $24 million to Albert Wilson fit on that list? Yikes.

03-13-2018, 01:29 PM	#176
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Now the Dolphins are adding Amendola too. I have no idea what they're doing.

03-13-2018, 01:43 PM	#177
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	I just hope the Colts are doing something. I expected to hear more news out of them by now. __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

03-13-2018, 01:56 PM	#178
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	Not sure about Sammy to the Chiefs.

03-13-2018, 02:23 PM	#180
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	well I had hoped my beloved Cards would sign one of the free agent QB's (because you know they have zero on the roster), but this one perhaps would have been last on my list: Sam Bradford intends to sign with the Arizona Cardinals Too much of an injury history to be a good fit there, especially with recent history to Palmer and anyone else suiting up at QB. I hope they are still going after a QB in the first round. __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

03-13-2018, 02:31 PM	#181
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	It sounds like Keenum deal is for basically a two-year deal for $18 million/year and after that it would be a team option so that maybe is ok if we draft a QB project in the mid rounds. I really hope we don't get sucked into drafting one in the first and instead trade back to fix oline. Last edited by Galaril : 03-13-2018 at 02:35 PM.

03-13-2018, 02:41 PM	#182
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Sam Bradford has thrived at being in the right place at the right time.

03-13-2018, 03:25 PM	#183
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	That's a whole lot of coin for Sammy Watkins. Not even sure he's that good. 750 yards a season and 6 touchdowns. 16 million dollars a year.

03-13-2018, 03:31 PM	#185
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	apparently the Cousins deal is FULLY GUARANTEED. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

03-13-2018, 04:06 PM	#186
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Jets giving $10MM to McCown for another season. I wonder what Bridgewater was looking for. Considering they're not guaranteed to get their future QB at #6, I'd think they would at least take a shot at some upside with Teddy.

03-13-2018, 04:23 PM	#187
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	they are in talks with Bridgewater, so still could happen __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

03-13-2018, 07:03 PM	#188
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	Jets have nearly 90M in cap space. Makes sense to sign the guy that did fairly ok as bridge for one more year if they don't get touchdown Teddy. They certainly do not appear to be doing shit else with the money. __________________ Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5)

03-13-2018, 08:11 PM	#190
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Didnt expect the Vikings to get Cousins. At the possible expense of letting some key defensive players become free agents. On the other hand it is nice to know that the team is serious about wanting a Super Bowl title and will take chances to get to that point. Nice to see Keenum get rewarded. I dont know that he could have played any better this past season but I dont think the falloff with be as steep as some are expecting either.

03-14-2018, 10:02 AM	#191
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Nate Solder to the Giants.

03-14-2018, 02:10 PM	#192
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	So the Niners are paying Jerrick McKinnon and Kyle Jusczyk over 10 million against the cap for the next few years? That front office is a puzzling mix of insanity and brilliance. There's no way you couldn't find a McKinnon in the third or fourth round of the draft rather than paying him 7-8 million a year.

03-14-2018, 02:21 PM	#193
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	DOLA - the only RB with a larger cap hit than McKinnon is now Shady. That is just bizarre, we faxed the wrong guy a contract kind of stuff.

03-14-2018, 02:28 PM	#194
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	Maybe the Colts are just waiting for free agency to start before they start making deals with free agents? __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

03-14-2018, 08:14 PM	#195
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	well the Cards QB class now consists of Bradford, and the newly signed Mike Glennon, who after last season shouldn't be on anyone's want list. Just not getting their plan here-if they choose now not to go QB in the 1st round. Oh and the Vikings traded for Trevor Sieman. McCarron to the Bills __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time! Last edited by Thomkal : 03-14-2018 at 08:16 PM.

03-16-2018, 01:35 PM	#196
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	Report: Burfict suspended four games for PEDs __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

03-16-2018, 02:59 PM	#197
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Burlict in trouble again? Shocking! __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

03-16-2018, 03:09 PM	#198
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	He seems like a real quality guy. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

03-17-2018, 10:34 AM	#199
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Jets move up to #3 in the draft: Jets acquire No. 3 overall pick of 2018 draft from Colts - NFL.com __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

03-17-2018, 12:37 PM	#200
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	Well Ballard isn't building the team via free agency, might as well do it during the draft. I definitely have a positive first impression to this trade as a Colt fan. I figured the Colts would trade the pick, but I really didn't expect it to happen until they were on the clock. __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"