WW XCIV Group Therapy - Game Over! - Page 13

Danny · 05-13-2009, 04:35 PM

You had the wrong number too, fixed

ntndeacon · 05-13-2009, 04:35 PM

Martin, it is a combination of me not being on early and my reputation of not speaking that has votes on me. Clearly the folks on me are DESPIRATELY in need of therapy. I am going to change my vote to help myself survive.

ntndeacon · 05-13-2009, 04:36 PM

unvote PackerFanatic
Vote PurdueBrad

Autumn · 05-13-2009, 04:41 PM

I don't want to be on a runaway, my random pick of Purdue seems to have generated an unhealthy amount of interest for a guy that hasn't done anything at all to warrant it.

unvote purduebrad
vote telle

I'm almost inclined to go with Eaglefan just to even up the numbers, but with three more votes, I think, still coming I"ll wait to see how they move.

Chief Rum · 05-13-2009, 04:42 PM

I don't get a wolf vibe from PB right now. Feels trumped up abit. And I never liked the UTR theory on NTN, at least not this early. And now that he's here, what's the point?

I don't think early vote switching is proof of Neediness either, but given the candidates here, I think EF is the best of the usual weak Day One choices.

VOTE EAGLEFAN

MartinD · 05-13-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Martin, it is a combination of me not being on early and my reputation of not speaking that has votes on me. Clearly the folks on me are DESPIRATELY in need of therapy. I am going to change my vote to help myself survive.

As I said in my earlier post, it could very easily be me in that position - while I'm still pretty new to the game, I seem to be developing a similar reputation (of not posting all that often).

While I definitely see Barkeep's point about voting for the quiet ones to encourage them to get involved, as it's relatively easy for wolves to go under the radar, I don't know if day 1 is the time to get onto someone's case for not being active on the thread.

Autumn · 05-13-2009, 04:45 PM

I think if Lathum hadn't mentioned you being out of the country or something, Martin, it very well could have been you, as I focused on ntn as the one who hadn't logged in yet.

I agree there's no reason to punish someone for being quiet, once they've shown up and contributed. That was all I hoped to get out of the pressure.

Danny · 05-13-2009, 04:45 PM

As of post 606:

1 - Abe - Poli (252)
1 - Passacaglia - Lerriuqs (253)
1 - dubb - saldana (304)
4 - EagleFan - hoopsguy (328), Lathum (396), dubb (416), Chief Rum (605)
5 - PurdueBrad - The Jackel (329), EagleFan (452), Telle (575), Martin D (595), NTNDeacon (603)
1 - PackerFanatic - claphasma (335)
5 - ntndeacon - PackerFanatic (374), Barkeep (420), Abe (425), Pass (532), PurdueBrad (536)
2 - Telle - PurdueBrad (581), Autumn (604)

MartinD · 05-13-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I think if Lathum hadn't mentioned you being out of the country or something, Martin, it very well could have been you, as I focused on ntn as the one who hadn't logged in yet.

I agree there's no reason to punish someone for being quiet, once they've shown up and contributed. That was all I hoped to get out of the pressure.

It's not so much that I'm out of the country - more like I was never in the country in the first place!

hoopsguy · 05-13-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

As of post 606:

1 - Abe - Poli (252)
1 - Passacaglia - Lerriuqs (253)
1 - dubb - saldana (304)
4 - EagleFan - hoopsguy (328), Lathum (396), dubb (416), Chief Rum (605)
5 - PurdueBrad - The Jackel (329), EagleFan (452), Telle (575), Martin D (595), NTNDeacon (603)
1 - PackerFanatic - claphasma (335)
5 - ntndeacon - PackerFanatic (374), Barkeep (420), Abe (425), Pass (532), PurdueBrad (536)
2 - Telle - PurdueBrad (581), Autumn (604)

20 votes in, no vote from DT
Self-preservation options still available: NTN to EF, PB to EF, EF to NTN

I'm expecting that there is still voting movement to be seen, but that is where it sits right now.

hoopsguy · 05-13-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinD

It's not so much that I'm out of the country - more like I was never in the country in the first place!

Yeah, yeah, yeah - that "alternate time zone" stuff is a fantastic cover. See how Lathum uses it now that he is on the west coast?

Hmm, I may need to change my profile to showing me as in Dubai or something along those lines ... yeah, that's the ticket.

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Yeah, yeah, yeah - that "alternate time zone" stuff is a fantastic cover. See how Lathum uses it now that he is on the west coast?

Hmm, I may need to change my profile to showing me as in Dubai or something along those lines ... yeah, that's the ticket.

I actually live in a moving jet where my time zone never matches anyone else.

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

As of post 606:

1 - Abe - Poli (252)
1 - Passacaglia - Lerriuqs (253)
1 - dubb - saldana (304)
4 - EagleFan - hoopsguy (328), Lathum (396), dubb (416), Chief Rum (605)
5 - PurdueBrad - The Jackel (329), EagleFan (452), Telle (575), Martin D (595), NTNDeacon (603)
1 - PackerFanatic - claphasma (335)
4- ntndeacon - PackerFanatic (374), Barkeep (420), Abe (425), Pass (532)
2 - Telle - PurdueBrad (581), Autumn (604)

Corrected, removed my double vote, one on NTN, one on Telle.

hoopsguy · 05-13-2009, 05:09 PM

Hmm, that means someone else has not voted as well - who did I miss?

I think Alan T. So him and DT (err, MT) without votes up to this point.

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 05:10 PM

Danny's count may be off, didn't Poli move his vote to me too?

hoopsguy · 05-13-2009, 05:11 PM

Sigh - I'll start working on the vote/unvote chart now as well as a vote count just to double check.

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 05:11 PM

NM, thought he was part of the rush.

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Hmm, that means someone else has not voted as well - who did I miss?

I think Alan T. So him and DT (err, MT) without votes up to this point.

That is right, I haven't voted yet. Haven't decided which way to go.

hoopsguy · 05-13-2009, 05:40 PM

It has gotten very quiet while I've been counting votes. There have been a ton of votes/unvotes this game

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 05:40 PM

That's party my fault Hoops, sorry. If if helps, you can ignore my vote for RendeR's puppy.

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

It has gotten very quiet while I've been counting votes. There have been a ton of votes/unvotes this game

I know! It's crazy!! crazy I say!

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 05:43 PM

Is the vote count in 613 then correct? A few of the previous ones had errors.

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 05:44 PM

Alan, I believe so.

hoopsguy · 05-13-2009, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

It's day one in a game where we are in a mental ward. Just having fun with the theme. The number one rule of these games is to have fun (or it should be) and that's what I'm trying to do.

If that looks bad, so be it.

The way I see it day one logic goes like this:

Make a vote on someone with no votes - you are a wolf trying to hide your vote
Make a second or third vote on someone - you are a wolf trying to put a villager in the lead
Keep your vote on one person - you are a wolf hopeing to not be noticed
Move your vote around - you are a wolf trying to create confusion
Try to create a tie - you are a wolf trying to create confusion
Cast a deciding vote - you are a wolf lynching a villager
Cast a self defense vote - you are a wolf using self defense as an excuse
Don't move your vote into the middle of a tight race - you are a wolf trying to hide your vote
Move you vote into the middle of a tight race - you are a wolf trying to save a wolf
Don't vote - you are a wolf afraid of revealing yourself with your vote
Vote first - You are a wolf trying to get in early
Vote last - you are a wolf waiting to see what villager to lynch
Vote in the middle of the daye - you are a wolf trying to hide
Have a normal day one vote - you are a wolf using an excuse
Use some random theory to vote - you are a wolf using an excuse
Leave no comment with your vote - you are a wolf trying to hit and run
Leave a comment with your vote - you are a wolf using an excuse
Post a lot - you are a wolf
Post very little - you are wolf going UTR

I think that about covers most of the main day one voting theories.

Out of game - this is a great post

hoopsguy · 05-13-2009, 05:52 PM

OK, was not able to finish this but my kid is home which means I'm probably not on between now and deadline. Here is the vote/unvote chart up through Post #500. I'll pick it up when i'm back online for awhile, probably sometime after 10PM EST.

205 - Poli votes Lathum (1-0)
210 - Lathum votes Poli (1-1)
240 - Poli unvotes Lathum (1-0)
242 - Lathum unvotes Poli (0-0)
244 - Dubb votes Saldana (1-0)
251 - EF votes PB (1-1)
252 - Poli votes Abe (1-1-1) Saldana/PB/Abe
253 - Lerriuqs votes Pass (1-1-1-1) Saldana/PB/Abe/Pass
272 - PB votes Hoops (1-1-1-1-1) Saldana/PB/Abe/Pass/Hoops
273 - PB unvotes Hoops (1-1-1-1) Saldana/PB/Abe/Pass
284 - Pass votes Lerriuqs (1-1-1-1-1) Saldana/PB/Abe/Pass/Lerriuqs
304 - Saldana votes Dubb (1-1-1-1-1-1) Saldana/PB/Abe/Pass/Lerriuqs/Dubb
323 - EF unvotes PB, votes Hoops (1-1-1-1-1-1) Saldana/Abe/Pass/Lerriuqs/Dubb/Hoops
326 - Lathum votes Abe (2-1-1-1-1-1) Abe over Saldana/Pass/Lerriuqs/Dubb/Hoops
328 - Hoops votes EF (2-1-1-1-1-1-1) Abe over Saldana/Pass/Lerriuqs/Dubb/Hoops/EF
329 - Jackal votes PB (2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1) Abe over Saldana/Pass/Lerriuqs/Dubb/Hoops/EF/PB
333 - PF votes Lerriuqs (2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1) Abe/Lerriuqs over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/Hoops/EF/PB
335 - Clap votes PF (2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1) Abe/Lerriuqs over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/Hoops/EF/PB/PF
341 - Pass unvotes Lerriuqs, votes Hoops (2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1) Abe/Hoops over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/EF/PB/Lerriuqs
343 - PB votes EF (2-2-2-1-1-1-1-1) Abe/Hoops/EF over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/PB/Lerriuqs
347 - Pass unvotes Hoops (2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1) Abe/EF over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/PB/Lerriuqs/Hoops
357 - PF unvotes Lerriuqs (2-2-1-1-1-1-1) Abe/EF over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/PB/Hoops
370 - Pass votes for NTN (2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1) Abe/EF over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/PB/Hoops/NTN
372 - EF unvotes Hoops, votes PB (2-2-2-1-1-1-1) Abe/EF/PB over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/NTN
374 - PF votes NTN (2-2-2-2-1-1-1) Abe/EF/PB/NTN over Saldana/Pass/Dubb
381 - PF unvotes PB, votes Lathum (2-2-2-1-1-1-1) Abe/EF/NTN over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/Lathum
396 - Lathum unvotes Abe, votes EF (3-2-1-1-1-1-1) EF over NTN over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/Lathum/Abe
416 - Dubb unvotes Saldana, votes EF (4-2-1-1-1-1) EF over NTN over Pass/Dubb/Lathum/Abe
420 - BK votes NTN (4-3-1-1-1-1) EF over NTN over Pass/Dubb/Lathum/Abe
425 - Abe votes NTN (4-4-1-1-1-1) EF/NTN over Pass/Dubb/Lathum/Abe
443 - Pass unvotes NTN, votes No Lynch (4-3-1-1-1-1) EF over NTN over Pass/Dubb/Lathum/Abe
452 - EF unvotes Lathum, votes PB (4-3-1-1-1-1) EF over NTN over Pass/Dubb/Abe/PB
455 - Autumn votes PB (4-3-2-1-1-1) EF over NTN over PB over Pass/Dubb/Abe
457 - Telle votes Abe (4-3-2-2-1-1) EF over NTN over PB/Abe over Pass/Dubb

Chief Rum · 05-13-2009, 06:04 PM

Off to my next job (no Web access), so I'll see you guys after deadline. Actually, probably after night deadline, too, come to think of it.

dubb93 · 05-13-2009, 06:05 PM

Deadline is less than an hour?

Danny · 05-13-2009, 06:05 PM

Deadline is in 55 minutes

dubb93 · 05-13-2009, 06:06 PM

Wow, it kinda got dead around here all of a sudden.

Poli · 05-13-2009, 06:08 PM

Got to shower and eat...then off to church.

EagleFan · 05-13-2009, 06:11 PM

Hola fellow crazies!!! I hear that our doctor has been hording the good meds and giving us sugar pills instead. Except for Lathum, he has been giving him extenze so the mice would stop laughing at him....

EagleFan · 05-13-2009, 06:14 PM

PB, I was hoping to be able to hop my vote a few times in the insane manner I was starting to but at this point I potentially screw myself if I move it. (I was going to follow your votes to be honest but then you voted me so I had to stop, so you could have an in game crazy stalker

)

EagleFan · 05-13-2009, 06:15 PM

I hate it when it's his quiet!!! That's when the voices are the loudest!!!! Make them stop!!!!

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:16 PM

Hehe, thanks EF. Look, this is where if I had a role of real importance, I would reveal...

...but I think my role is only mildly important and I can't reveal anyway. So villagers, you aren't losing a ton by voting me off.

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:19 PM

So with Eaglefan around, I am assuming he is keeping an eye if he needs to move his vote to save himself (right now moving it from PB to ntn wouldn't change anything for him though).

PurdueBrad's vote is still tucked away on a non-candidate to which I'm guessing he will not hesitate to move it to either ntn or Eaglefan. I'm curious to which one you likely would go after PB? Any particular reason why that one over the other?

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:20 PM

Alan, if needed I would go ntn over EF. The ntn-Telle dynamic bugs me.

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Alan, if needed I would go ntn over EF. The ntn-Telle dynamic bugs me.

Is it just that, or is it also because ntn is less likey to be around at the deadline based on his past history in WW games to move his vote as a counter?

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:22 PM

Oh, I guess ntn already has his vote on you. So how much of your willingness to vote him is more self preservation?

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:24 PM

I definitely would go Telle over him and probably Martin D too and then ntn.

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I definitely would go Telle over him and probably Martin D too and then ntn.

Why Martin D? Not like Europeans?

dubb93 · 05-13-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I definitely would go Telle over him and probably Martin D too and then ntn.

Why Martin D? Without digging through the thread I don't recall off hand his name even coming up today.

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:25 PM

Telle's play has struck me odd as she's looked to cover her votes multiple ways but then calls out others for their votes. Martin D's vote on my reeked of a future excuse the way he explained it. And then the ntn-Telle dynamic.

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:25 PM

I don't have the post handy but find/re-read his vote for me. I'll look now.

dubb93 · 05-13-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Telle's play has struck me odd as she's looked to cover her votes multiple ways but then calls out others for their votes. Martin D's vote on my reeked of a future excuse the way he explained it. And then the ntn-Telle dynamic.

Can you quote Martin D's post you are talking about?

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:26 PM

What was the ntn-telle dynamic? That might have occurred while I was traveling today.

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinD

I'm a bit confused here - finding it hard to work out where to put my vote...

The two main candidates appear to be PB and ntn - don't really want to vote for ntn, as it seems to me that the main reason for him getting votes is that he wasn't around for most of the day (at which point I'm feeling a bit fortunate that I didn't get nailed for that one!), but a vote for PB seems a bit too much like bandwagon-jumping.

I don't see much point in voting for someone else at this point, as almost everyone else is a long way back.

Not absolutely sure about this one, but:

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

Will be on for the next 20 minutes or so - may change this if I feel there's sufficient reason.

There are all kind of ways he could've gone and says voting for me is bandwagon jumping, don't feel sure about it...vote PB. It sounds like setting up an excuse for later.

dubb93 · 05-13-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Hehe, thanks EF. Look, this is where if I had a role of real importance, I would reveal...

...but I think my role is only mildly important and I can't reveal anyway. So villagers, you aren't losing a ton by voting me off.

Come on guys. A wolf doesn't go down fighting like this.

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Come on guys. A wolf doesn't go down fighting like this.

I think I disagree , since I have seen all kinds of methods wolves use to try to get out of lynch (over the top huffiness, silent reservation, misleading, faked reveal, etc).

I do appreciate PB's participating in this mini-discussion though. I notice Eaglefan sitting around watching without much thought. EF, what are your thoughts on PB since you have your vote on him. Why do you feel he is a good lynch choice?

Passacaglia · 05-13-2009, 06:30 PM

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