2020 pro-cycling / Tour de France thread - Page 2

Critch · 07-13-2022, 10:06 AM

Might have been a little premature calling the race for Pogacar.

Also, from watching on USA and seeing the promos for other USA shows, I'd never realized what absolute garbage the USA network is.

whomario · 07-13-2022, 10:39 AM

Lots of great sportsmanship and teamwork on display as well. From Pogacar heartily congratulating Vingegaard to Roglic quite obviously not at his best* absolutely sacrificing himself and a decent position by attacking repeatedly on the Telegraphe/Galibier stretch and also reaching the finish with a smile on his face together with another teammate.

Very impressive rides by Bardet and Quintana, also Gaudu recuperating between Galibier and Granon. Incredibly big gaps overall. And tomorrows stage is at least as tough with actually more climbing and finishing at a similarly difficult climb at Alpe d'Huez. Better them than me

*found it quite weird that people started acting like he hadn't had a bad fall with a dislocated shoulder, that he had to reset himself in a rush on the side of the road, just because he continued and didn't get dropped on every climb. There's a lot between 100% and 0%, which a lot of fans don't seem to grasp. I'm not sure there is another sport where it takes so little to utterly derail someone.

bhlloy · 07-13-2022, 03:07 PM

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a strategy look like it didn’t work for so long - when most of the Jumbo riders were dropped and then Majka made it back - only to eventually work at the critical point. It felt like they had blown it trying to attack and burning their domestiques out on the flat so far out, but it worked absolutely to perfection.

britrock88 · 07-15-2022, 11:03 AM

Great team riding from Jumbo. What more do you need to say? It's been true of them for so long.

whomario · 07-18-2022, 02:34 PM

Jumbo with a pretty shitty day to end Week 2: First Roglic is taken out of the race (and given his clearly worsening performances and Jumbos Sporting Directors Statement it made Sense) and then Kruijswijk has a bad crash and can't continue. And then Vingegaard himself and Benoot also crash but at least they seemed ok.
So now Vingegaard pretty much only has Kuss and maybe Van Aert to really count on in the Pyrenees. And with the way Van Aert has been going he's liable to run out of energy at some point.

Be interested if Ineos can make their numbers advantage count for a surprise upset here or if it comes down to Vingegaard and Pogacic going toe to toe.

Stage 14 was pretty great as well with Michael Matthews getting a super win after an awesome counter attack on the final climb. Was dropped by Bettiol but stayed close, then came back and directly attacked. Behind, Pogacic really put the hammer down but Vingegaard stayed on his wheel while everybody else was immediately dropped. And for a minute it looked like Meintjes might jump into the Top3, in the end 'only' went from 13 to 7.

whomario · 07-20-2022, 02:06 PM

Quickstep Spriter Fabio Jakobsen (the guy with that horrofic accident in the opening post who amazingly recovered fully and won a stage btw this year) beat the time limit today by 16 seconds, spending everything he had on the final climb:

��La llegada de Jakobsen es puro ciclismo. pic.twitter.com/my3AEVHjgf
— Albert Rivera Rabal▲ (@AlbertRiveraR) July 20, 2022

Tomorrow will be hell again for him ...

bhlloy · 07-02-2023, 10:28 AM

That was a hell of a fun stage 2 today. Cofidis finally get a TdF win with a ballsy attack from 1k out, Powless stays off the front long enough to stay in the KoM and Pogacar and Vingergaard are attacking each other already.

PilotMan · 07-02-2023, 10:18 PM

I just started watching the Netflix series.. Really enjoying it so far.

PilotMan · 07-06-2023, 01:39 PM

Alright, now that I finished the Netflix series, which was great btw, I know a bit more about the riders, and teams, and it makes watching the race days a lot more interesting.

Van Art is a machine.

PilotMan · 07-14-2023, 09:43 AM

Anyone else watching the tour this year?

Today's climb is crazy.

It was sad to see Cavendish break his collar bone the day after he was beaten by a bike length, for what would have been his record setting 35th stage win.

whomario · 07-16-2023, 04:54 AM

Watching odd days and highlights, not really possible to watch weekday stages. Puy de dome was neat (and weird due to no fans). Yesterday was thrilling with Pogacar taking his shot and Vingegaard juuuuust about able to hang on. Very rare to have a gap form and then stay the same (3-5 seconds) for multiple Ks. Then Pogacar also got impeded on another launch by the motorbikes in front ... Which then allowed Rodriguez to come back and win the Stage.
Hindlay likely lost 3rd yesterday, can't avoid connecting it to his fall. Brilliant ride by Rodriguez though.

Also happened yesterday:

pic.twitter.com/Wr45dzJzZM
— Cycling out of context (@OutOfCycling) July 15, 2023

MIJB#19 · 07-16-2023, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whomario

Then Pogacar also got impeded on another launch by the motorbikes in front ... Which then allowed Rodriguez to come back and win the Stage.

Apologies for quoting just a small bit of your post.

To add to it, the motorbikes were held up because lunatics were all over the road, not making room for the riders. Carlos Rodriguez also got held up shortly after in a similar situation when he was trying to catch up with Pogacar and Vingegaard. And another incident with public interfering the race by walking onto the road just happened in today's stage.

I suppose this is the only sport where the public is so close to the event, they occasionally (albeit unintentional) do moronic stuff and make a mess?

I like how former pro Jan Bakelants compared the incident yesterday with soccer fans walking onto the pitch, overcrowding the outside of the penalty box area, just to be up close during a penalty kick (I'll forgive him for using Cristiano Ronaldo in the Champions' League in the analogy, that's never going to happen again

). I've never seen that happen, but the image of such a thing, I totally can imagine it and agree with the analogy.

PilotMan · 07-16-2023, 08:10 AM

Another fan caused a huge wreck today. Really impacted the Jumbo team riding for Vingagaard, as their best climber and the best American in the race was the one who went down first when he hit the fan. It's actually changed the entire day. The peleton is no longer pushing and letting the break go.

bhlloy · 07-16-2023, 10:11 AM

That was not the right place to try to take a water bottle

PilotMan · 07-16-2023, 10:12 AM

Couple of really nasty crashes today.

PilotMan · 07-16-2023, 10:13 AM

Looked like the back wheel of the bike hit the scooter. He just took a strange line while he wasn't looking at the corner. Drifted into the motorbike.

whomario · 07-18-2023, 10:16 AM

Vingegaard just topped every non-Pogacar rider by 42 seconds over the first 10ish minutes of the Timetrial.(Pog 16 down) or put another way a whole 7% faster.

PilotMan · 07-18-2023, 10:27 AM

This is a crazy ride.

PilotMan · 07-18-2023, 10:34 AM

1 full minute and 38 seconds over Pocagar. Unreal ride. And he did all of it on the TT bike.

bhlloy · 07-18-2023, 04:20 PM

I only caught the last 10 mins after work - the time was so unreal that at first I assumed they had made a mistake and time differenced him to Van Aert rather than Pogacar who had just finished.

Is it just me or are there not as many TT specialists around as there were 5-10 years ago, are they not riding the tour or is it just training is that much better now? It’s almost unbelievable that you can be that good at the toughest summits in the world and by far the best 2 TTers in the field, but it seems like it’s been the case for a number of years now that the GC contenders also blow everyone away in the TT’s.

PilotMan · 07-19-2023, 09:56 AM

Lots of drama today. It's going to be decided I think.

bhlloy · 07-19-2023, 09:57 AM

Yeah, Pogacar could be losing second right here. He’s absolutely blown up.

PilotMan · 07-19-2023, 09:59 AM

Gotta wonder about the fall, and if he was demoralized after yesterday.

PilotMan · 07-19-2023, 10:00 AM

Kuss and Yates have been so good this year.

PilotMan · 07-19-2023, 10:06 AM

Tadej called it. He's done. What a race though.

PilotMan · 07-19-2023, 10:25 AM

This stage makes me hurt so bad.

bhlloy · 07-19-2023, 10:36 AM

Finishing on a 500m kicker with some of the steepest slopes in the tour after a HC category climb is just cruel. I can’t even begin to imagine what that must feel like.

Critch · 07-20-2023, 10:54 AM

Two headlines from France’s daily sport newspaper @lequipe - one from Wednesday, the other from 1999. One pictures Jonas, the other Lance Armstrong. Without making a point, are they making a point?? #TdF2023 pic.twitter.com/Y6lE2BqkWh
— Lord Philip Upton of Coventry & Warwickshire 🇺🇦 (@flupton) July 20, 2023

PilotMan · 07-20-2023, 12:05 PM

Can't think of any other point they'd be making with Armstrong at this point. He'll never crawl out of that hole to respectability.

whomario · 07-22-2023, 04:06 AM

There isn't one quote we could pick out of this interview to do it justice. If there is one interview you watch today, make it this one with @matmohoric.

On n'a pas su choisir une seule citation qui rendrait hommage à l'interview. Du coup si vous devez écoutez un seul interview… pic.twitter.com/sK0LUkCStD
— Tour de France™ (@LeTour) July 21, 2023

There are reasons the sport and the Tour especially endures.

PilotMan · 07-22-2023, 10:20 AM

The backstory with that team is that they have been racing in the shadow of the death of Gino Mader in a race crash just a couple weeks before the start of the tour at the Tour de Suisse. That entire team has been inspirational.

britrock88 · 07-24-2023, 03:39 PM

Sorry I'm not regularly on the forum anymore because I would have had plenty to chime in with as the race went along.

I'll just note for the record (with La Vuelta coming up in just a few weeks...)

Quote:

Originally Posted by whomario

Watching odd days and highlights, not really possible to watch weekday stages.

In the US, at least, NBC Sports's Youtube page posts extended highlights (~30 minutes) of every stage that it broadcasts on Peacock. Those are indispensible, especially in mountain stages.

Also highly recommend Lanterne Rouge's 8-minute daily recaps.

07-13-2022, 10:39 AM	#52
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	Lots of great sportsmanship and teamwork on display as well. From Pogacar heartily congratulating Vingegaard to Roglic quite obviously not at his best* absolutely sacrificing himself and a decent position by attacking repeatedly on the Telegraphe/Galibier stretch and also reaching the finish with a smile on his face together with another teammate. Very impressive rides by Bardet and Quintana, also Gaudu recuperating between Galibier and Granon. Incredibly big gaps overall. And tomorrows stage is at least as tough with actually more climbing and finishing at a similarly difficult climb at Alpe d'Huez. Better them than me found it quite weird that people started acting like he hadn't had a bad fall with a dislocated shoulder, that he had to reset himself in a rush on the side of the road, just because he continued and didn't get dropped on every climb. There's a lot between 100% and 0%, which a lot of fans don't seem to grasp. I'm not sure there is another sport where it takes so little to utterly derail someone. __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!” Last edited by whomario : 07-13-2022 at 10:58 AM.*

07-18-2022, 02:34 PM	#55
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	Jumbo with a pretty shitty day to end Week 2: First Roglic is taken out of the race (and given his clearly worsening performances and Jumbos Sporting Directors Statement it made Sense) and then Kruijswijk has a bad crash and can't continue. And then Vingegaard himself and Benoot also crash but at least they seemed ok. So now Vingegaard pretty much only has Kuss and maybe Van Aert to really count on in the Pyrenees. And with the way Van Aert has been going he's liable to run out of energy at some point. Be interested if Ineos can make their numbers advantage count for a surprise upset here or if it comes down to Vingegaard and Pogacic going toe to toe. Stage 14 was pretty great as well with Michael Matthews getting a super win after an awesome counter attack on the final climb. Was dropped by Bettiol but stayed close, then came back and directly attacked. Behind, Pogacic really put the hammer down but Vingegaard stayed on his wheel while everybody else was immediately dropped. And for a minute it looked like Meintjes might jump into the Top3, in the end 'only' went from 13 to 7. __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!”

07-20-2022, 02:06 PM	#56
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	Quickstep Spriter Fabio Jakobsen (the guy with that horrofic accident in the opening post who amazingly recovered fully and won a stage btw this year) beat the time limit today by 16 seconds, spending everything he had on the final climb: ��La llegada de Jakobsen es puro ciclismo. pic.twitter.com/my3AEVHjgf — Albert Rivera Rabal▲ (@AlbertRiveraR) July 20, 2022 Tomorrow will be hell again for him ... __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!” Last edited by whomario : 07-20-2022 at 02:08 PM.

07-02-2023, 10:18 PM	#58
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	I just started watching the Netflix series.. Really enjoying it so far. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

07-06-2023, 01:39 PM	#59
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Alright, now that I finished the Netflix series, which was great btw, I know a bit more about the riders, and teams, and it makes watching the race days a lot more interesting. Van Art is a machine. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

07-13-2022, 03:07 PM	#53
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a strategy look like it didn’t work for so long - when most of the Jumbo riders were dropped and then Majka made it back - only to eventually work at the critical point. It felt like they had blown it trying to attack and burning their domestiques out on the flat so far out, but it worked absolutely to perfection.

07-15-2022, 11:03 AM	#54
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	Great team riding from Jumbo. What more do you need to say? It's been true of them for so long.

07-02-2023, 10:28 AM	#57
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	That was a hell of a fun stage 2 today. Cofidis finally get a TdF win with a ballsy attack from 1k out, Powless stays off the front long enough to stay in the KoM and Pogacar and Vingergaard are attacking each other already.

07-14-2023, 09:43 AM	#60
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Anyone else watching the tour this year? Today's climb is crazy. It was sad to see Cavendish break his collar bone the day after he was beaten by a bike length, for what would have been his record setting 35th stage win. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam Last edited by PilotMan : 07-14-2023 at 09:44 AM.

07-16-2023, 04:54 AM	#61
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	Watching odd days and highlights, not really possible to watch weekday stages. Puy de dome was neat (and weird due to no fans). Yesterday was thrilling with Pogacar taking his shot and Vingegaard juuuuust about able to hang on. Very rare to have a gap form and then stay the same (3-5 seconds) for multiple Ks. Then Pogacar also got impeded on another launch by the motorbikes in front ... Which then allowed Rodriguez to come back and win the Stage. Hindlay likely lost 3rd yesterday, can't avoid connecting it to his fall. Brilliant ride by Rodriguez though. Also happened yesterday: pic.twitter.com/Wr45dzJzZM — Cycling out of context (@OutOfCycling) July 15, 2023 __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!”

07-16-2023, 08:10 AM	#63
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Another fan caused a huge wreck today. Really impacted the Jumbo team riding for Vingagaard, as their best climber and the best American in the race was the one who went down first when he hit the fan. It's actually changed the entire day. The peleton is no longer pushing and letting the break go. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam Last edited by PilotMan : 07-16-2023 at 08:22 AM.

07-16-2023, 10:11 AM	#64
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	That was not the right place to try to take a water bottle

07-16-2023, 10:12 AM	#65
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Couple of really nasty crashes today. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

07-16-2023, 10:13 AM	#66
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Looked like the back wheel of the bike hit the scooter. He just took a strange line while he wasn't looking at the corner. Drifted into the motorbike. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

07-18-2023, 10:16 AM	#67
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	Vingegaard just topped every non-Pogacar rider by 42 seconds over the first 10ish minutes of the Timetrial.(Pog 16 down) or put another way a whole 7% faster. __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!”

07-18-2023, 10:27 AM	#68
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	This is a crazy ride. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

07-18-2023, 10:34 AM	#69
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	1 full minute and 38 seconds over Pocagar. Unreal ride. And he did all of it on the TT bike. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam Last edited by PilotMan : 07-18-2023 at 10:35 AM.

07-18-2023, 04:20 PM	#70
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I only caught the last 10 mins after work - the time was so unreal that at first I assumed they had made a mistake and time differenced him to Van Aert rather than Pogacar who had just finished. Is it just me or are there not as many TT specialists around as there were 5-10 years ago, are they not riding the tour or is it just training is that much better now? It’s almost unbelievable that you can be that good at the toughest summits in the world and by far the best 2 TTers in the field, but it seems like it’s been the case for a number of years now that the GC contenders also blow everyone away in the TT’s. Last edited by bhlloy : 07-18-2023 at 04:21 PM.

07-19-2023, 09:56 AM	#71
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Lots of drama today. It's going to be decided I think. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

07-19-2023, 09:57 AM	#72
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Yeah, Pogacar could be losing second right here. He’s absolutely blown up.

07-19-2023, 09:59 AM	#73
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Gotta wonder about the fall, and if he was demoralized after yesterday. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

07-19-2023, 10:00 AM	#74
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Kuss and Yates have been so good this year. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

07-19-2023, 10:06 AM	#75
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Tadej called it. He's done. What a race though. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

07-19-2023, 10:25 AM	#76
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	This stage makes me hurt so bad. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

07-19-2023, 10:36 AM	#77
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Finishing on a 500m kicker with some of the steepest slopes in the tour after a HC category climb is just cruel. I can’t even begin to imagine what that must feel like.

07-20-2023, 10:54 AM	#78
Critch lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Herndon, VA	Two headlines from France’s daily sport newspaper @lequipe - one from Wednesday, the other from 1999. One pictures Jonas, the other Lance Armstrong. Without making a point, are they making a point?? #TdF2023 pic.twitter.com/Y6lE2BqkWh — Lord Philip Upton of Coventry & Warwickshire 🇺🇦 (@flupton) July 20, 2023

07-20-2023, 12:05 PM	#79
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Can't think of any other point they'd be making with Armstrong at this point. He'll never crawl out of that hole to respectability. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

07-22-2023, 04:06 AM	#80
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	There isn't one quote we could pick out of this interview to do it justice. If there is one interview you watch today, make it this one with @matmohoric. On n'a pas su choisir une seule citation qui rendrait hommage à l'interview. Du coup si vous devez écoutez un seul interview… pic.twitter.com/sK0LUkCStD — Tour de France™ (@LeTour) July 21, 2023 There are reasons the sport and the Tour especially endures. __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!”

07-22-2023, 10:20 AM	#81
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	The backstory with that team is that they have been racing in the shadow of the death of Gino Mader in a race crash just a couple weeks before the start of the tour at the Tour de Suisse. That entire team has been inspirational. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

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