Werewolf XXXIII: To Crown a King 2 (Game Over)

[bulletsponge]

at least i cant be killed while alone in jail

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

lol

grrrrrr. ill be one of those ex-cons who comes out of jail looking for revenge. so laugh while you can

[hoopsguy]

Lonestargirl, it sounds like we will not be seeing points until an execution. So we need to come to some kind of thought process on Bullet tomorrow on this front in addition to moving forward with another vote.

[st.cronin]

Is it possible for bullet to recieve messages while in jail?

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Is it possible for bullet to recieve messages while in jail?

you want to sneak a message in to me? you know where that paper message has to go to get it by the guard right?


seriously, i dont know

[Mr. Wednesday]

If he has a favored role (one exists for both nobles and assassins).

I'm guessing he'd know that if he had one of those roles, so we may probably assume that whatever else he may be, he's not favored.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

If he has a favored role (one exists for both nobles and assassins).

I'm guessing he'd know that if he had one of those roles, so we may probably assume that whatever else he may be, he's not favored.

I didn't see that in the rules. Where did you get that info?

[st.cronin]

The reason I ask, is, I assume that bullet is either in a faction or an assasin - either way, somebody will likely try and 'clear' him, or at least convince us not to execute him. What I haven't figured out is how we will be able to tell if this action comes from assasin or noble.

[Abe Sargent]

Of course, st.cronin, if someone comes forward to ID bullet, it could be an assassin trying to get in a guild or a guild member trying to jump guild identification.

-Anxiety

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I didn't see that in the rules. Where did you get that info?

...

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Favored Noble
Things have always gone this Noble’s way. If this Noble ends up in jail they may still send or receive their faction’s messages thanks to the kindness of the guards. This player may have an additional role.

Favored Assassin
Things have always gone this Assassin’s way. If this Assassin ends up in jail they may still send or receive messages thanks to the kindness of the guards. This player may have an additional role.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

The reason I ask, is, I assume that bullet is either in a faction or an assasin - either way, somebody will likely try and 'clear' him, or at least convince us not to execute him. What I haven't figured out is how we will be able to tell if this action comes from assasin or noble.

We won't be able to tell with any certainty.

It's possible that someone will come forward to vouch for him being in a faction, but our ability to determine the veracity of the claim will be very limited.

[Barkeep49]

Heading to work now. Still missing a night action. Hopefully I'll recieve it when I get there. Day 2 will likely begin about 8 AM.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Heading to work now. Still missing a night action. Hopefully I'll recieve it when I get there. Day 2 will likely begin about 8 AM.

Hmm, doesn't bode well for those that haven't checked in.

[Barkeep49]

The night passes. In the morning nobles start to gather in small groups around the castle. Most chat amiably. A few arguments break out, but tempers are cooled before the fragile peace of the country can be broken. It is not to all are assembled in the main hall that a realization is made. Except for bulletsponge, noisly rotting away in the jail, all are present and accounted for. Some smile at this, thinking perhaps the rumors of the assassins are wrong, or perhaps the assassins just aren't that good. Others take a far more dim view thinking of a million scenarios which suggest that this is disaster.

Day 2 has begun.

[LoneStarGirl]

Damnit, I dont understand this. But lol on the "bulletsponge, noisly rotting away in the jail"

[hoopsguy]

Worst case scenario is that the assassins got a fast talker to join up with them last night. That could really hamper our efforts at making sense out of the messages from yesterday.

Barkeep, if there are multiple people in jail are we able to send in multiple Execute orders? Or are we restricted to one execute per day?

[Barkeep49]

Up to one execution per day.

[Fouts]

Interesting that there are no deaths overnight. When in Rome, do as the Romans do?

[bulletsponge]

Grrr im not rotting, more wasting away. Now get me outta here! im not an assassin!

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Interesting that there are no deaths overnight. When in Rome, do as the Romans do?

This is going to be a fun day of trying to break codes

[bulletsponge]

why do yall want to kill me? im just a scapegoat. and yall should be well aware of only the villagers die first in the game

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

This is going to be a fun day of trying to break codes

Again??

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

why do yall want to kill me? im just a scapegoat. and yall should be well aware of only the villagers die first in the game

Well, help me figure this one out.

bullet in jail + no deaths = ?

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Well, help me figure this one out.

bullet in jail + no deaths = ?

yea. the assassins know they can hang me by laying low for a day

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

yea. the assassins know they can hang me by laying low for a day

Not looking good for you, unless somebody steps up and vouches that you are good. Do you see that happening?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Hmm, doesn't bode well for those that haven't checked in.

as much as I don't like to use that strategy I think it bears looking at.

Someone not checking in + missing night actions = not good.

Barkeep, can you confirm if you did receive all night actions?

[Barkeep49]

I was missing a night action from someone who voted yesterday.

[Lathum]

bk, I may have missed it. Who dropped out?

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Not looking good for you, unless somebody steps up and vouches that you are good. Do you see that happening?

yes. i hope so

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Well, help me figure this one out.

bullet in jail + no deaths = ?

I don't think no deaths indicates Bullet is bad. Assassin kills are probably decided by a consensus of assassins, so Bullet wouldn't be the only one that could make the kill. It is possible that Bullet is good and the assassins don't want to tip us off by killing someone that might make people question the Bullet jailing, but it is more likely that they have something else planned.

[hoopsguy]

Agree with BrianD on this one - the fact that there was no kill last night strongly indicates a conversion of a fast talking noble. Other explanation is a blocked kill/jailbreak, but there is nothing in Barkeep's night action report to suggest this.

The assassins will want to exercise their kill. In doing so they weaken the ability of another faction to get points. Which makes it easier for them to accumulate their points faster. Taking a night off to put pressure on the guy in jail makes very little sense to me.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The possibilities are:
* Clever assassin action (alternate action in lieu of kill)
* Tricky assassin action (kill was done but will have delayed action)
* Attempt to kill a fast-talker, who is now an assassin
* Attempt to kill someone who was otherwise protected

If it was the last, we might hear about it in the course of the day.

[Mr. Wednesday]

It's also possible (but unlikely) that the assassins managed to screw up and not take any action at all. I think it's more likely, though, that Barkeep's missing action was one of the other roles... e.g. a leader forgetting to send a message to his faction.

[st.cronin]

I actually did NOT get a message last night. So, that feature of the game has been mighty helpful to me so far.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Now that I see Barkeep advertising for a replacement, it's possible that's who needs to be replaced.

[RealDeal]

if we don't have any other leads, might be smart to jail the replacement right away.

[st.cronin]

dola - bullet is not my faction leader, which otherwise would explain why I did not get a message.

2 possibilities - my faction leader whiffed on the night action, and is being replaced, or my faction is now compromised somehow. But I thought when that happened the faction members would still get the messages. So, I don't know.

[hoopsguy]

Never saw King or Bek yesterday, which makes it hard to play the game with them.

Blade, if you are talking with Bek please tell him to report

I'm pretty sure King posted in some other threads yesterday - if that is the case then it is pretty inconvenient for us that he did not post here.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

dola - bullet is not my faction leader, which otherwise would explain why I did not get a message.

2 possibilities - my faction leader whiffed on the night action, and is being replaced, or my faction is now compromised somehow. But I thought when that happened the faction members would still get the messages. So, I don't know.

Could have been turned, which would account for the no message plus no kill, but not the missing night action.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola... absent a firm explanation for not receiving a message from the faction leader, I would suggest going after him tomorrow if we also don't get one tonight.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, I'm in agreement with MrW here that there should be some kind of explanation forthcoming from the faction leader. He has put himself at risk if he did not submit his night action - we are going to be relying on you (and your fellow faction members) to help navigate this course correctly.

[st.cronin]

I don't know if I agree with that - and not just because we're talking about my faction leader. If he had been turned, wouldn't he have still sent a message? I think it's more likely that the message was sent in good faith, but intercepted.

[st.cronin]

I agree that the other faction members could be of some help ... if I knew who they were. Right now I'm just not 100% on anybody.

[hoopsguy]

Noble Leader
This is the person who the faction is trying to get crowned King. This person is known to all members of his faction, however he does not know who any of the members of his faction are. During the night cycle he may send a 15 word message to all members of his faction. The Noble Leader’s vote counts as double for all Jail and Free votes. Finally, the Noble Leader may designate either even or odd days and on those days will receive protection, preventing the Noble Leader from being killed. If the Noble Leader is killed or executed, a new member of the faction (based on a secret order determined before the start of the game by the GM) becomes Noble Leader after 1 cycle (either day or night).

Fast Talking Noble
If targeted by the assassins to be killed, this smooth talker will convince the assassins that he is on their side and becomes an assassin. This Noble will still receive all messages from the Noble leader but will count as an assassin for all point purposes. If the known Noble Leader dies after the Fast Talking Noble has become an assassin, he will not learn the identity of the new Noble Leader. A Fast Talking Noble who is an Assassin, will remain in line to become the Noble Leader. Nobles won’t know if they are this role, until they targeted by the assassins and it is possible that the Assassins will only put up with so many "fast talkers" before they will start to ignore such people. This Noble may have an additional role, but will lose those role's powers if they become an assassin.

Barkeep, have a couple of questions:
1. Can a Noble Leader also hold another role?
2. If an assassin assumes the role of Noble Leader do they retain the ability to send out messages to their faction?

[st.cronin]

Hoops, I don't think the answer is there. I suspect that the message was intercepted by assasins. Barkeep's explanation via pm makes me strongly suspect that my faction leader is still in the game. Another explanation could be that he chose not to send out a message intentionally.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I was operating under the assumption that the answer to question 1 is yes and to 2 is no, the latter being consistent with how such matters have functioned in the past.

[st.cronin]

dola

Although I guess it's possible he was turned. That would be an odd mechanism, though.

[hoopsguy]

I suspect that the message was intercepted by assasins

Cronin, maybe I'm missing the role in the game that allows the assassins to prevent the transmission of a message.

I see that they can gain access to the messages, but not stop their delivery.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Never saw King or Bek yesterday, which makes it hard to play the game with them.

Blade, if you are talking with Bek please tell him to report

I left bek a voicemail last night. I do not know his schedule today like i did yesterday, so if he does not show today i currently have no explanation.

[RealDeal]

until bek reports:

vote jail bek