Werewolf 107, Terror at Blizzcon, Basic Game, GAME OVER, HORDE WINS

[PurdueBrad]

Yeah, no brainer.

vote nightfall

[KWhit]

Vote MartinD
Vote Nightfall

[RendeR]

Vote MArtinD

Vote Nightfall

[Lathum]

It becomes evident after your mistake last night MartinD is the warlock. He does little to counter this argument, instead comes quietly with an evil smile on his face. You lynch him, then discover his minion lurking under the bed in his room and lynch that as well. MartinD was the warlock

[Lathum]

You all wake up the next morning to find Schmidty has been gutted and ripped to shreds. Schmidty was a villager.

[Lathum]

OK assuming everyone has been able to check in I am going to go with the usual deadline time for tonight.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm checking in. No surprise to the night result. Looking back at MartinD's voting history.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Final Vote Count

DV-8- J23 (100), MartinD (126) Schmidty (154) PB (160) Kwhit (166) Sal (173) Crimson (221) Autumn (226)
Saldana-6- Spleen (74) Clap (122) ) Danny (135) GE (171) Dubb (187) EF (220)
Kwhit-1 RealDeal (127)
Dubb-1 DV (120)
EF-1-Poli (80)

Okay, this is the D1 vote, the one that I think gives us the most to go on. There is also a no vote from Jackal in there. So we have five candidates left, three voted for the cunning wolf day 1, 1 no voted, 1 was on the other leading candidate.

I highly doubt all three wolves were on the cunning but they certainly could've made that move to cover up the warlock as well. Because I don't think that D1 they would've piled on the cunning, that leaves two people that were out there.

That leaves me between Jackal and Spleen because I think that either person could've held their vote to see if they would need it. I don't think wolves miss votes so I will start the day with my vote:

Vote Spleen

I'm looking at a couple of the other early days during my lunch hour hopefully so it is subject to change.

[PurdueBrad]

Oh, on the above, purple is unknown, red bad, green good. Sorry I didn't put the key up there.

[RendeR]

Vote Spleen

Vote Nightfall

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Oh, on the above, purple is unknown, red bad, green good. Sorry I didn't put the key up there.

How do we know that RendeR is good?

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

How do we know that RendeR is good?

We don't, I just matched up the names of who was still alive, let me re-post that actually, so that may be another option.

[PurdueBrad]

Final Vote Count

DV-8- J23 (100), MartinD (126) Schmidty (154) PB (160) Kwhit (166) Sal (173) Crimson (221) Autumn (226)
Saldana-6- Spleen (74) Clap (122) ) Danny (135) GE (171) Dubb (187) [RENDER becomes this player later] EF (220)
Kwhit-1 RealDeal (127)
Dubb-1 DV (120)
EF-1-Poli (80)

So actually, that does change things to where I have 3 options I will consider. RendeR/dubb, Spleen, and Jackal.

[spleen1015]

Both RendeR and I were on Sal Day 1. He's just as likely to be a wolf as I am. Since I know that I'm not a wolf, I believe he is.

VOTE RendeR

This is likely the last vote if we get it wrong. Go ahead and vote for me if you like, but it loses the game for the village.

[KWhit]

Yeah, so I think this comes down to another 50/50. Render or Spleen.

I need to scan the thread and see if I come up with anything else on either of them.

[RendeR]

I know if you vote me its wrong. I've had nothing to do this game since taking over a vanilla villager gives you nothing to do but follow along.

I have nothing to defend with. Nothing to reveal.

A Vote for me loses another villager, a night kill ends the game. ( I think, unless the math is wrong)

[RendeR]

Hrm, is it 4-1 right now? Nevermind then, lynch me, it just means you get spleen tomorrow when its 2-1.

You're call.

[The Jackal]

I like that you completely ignored the fact that I revealed as the Paladin when considering voting for me, PB.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Hrm, is it 4-1 right now? Nevermind then, lynch me, it just means you get spleen tomorrow when its 2-1.

You're call.

Actually, it's more likely that it is 4-2 with a Brutal still left.

So, we lynch the brutal and it goes to 2-1 tomorrow with a NK. We lynch the rogue and it goes to 3-1 after the NK with the brutal left.

[The Jackal]

Either way, we have to lynch a wolf both days to win.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I like that you completely ignored the fact that I revealed as the Paladin when considering voting for me, PB.

Jackal, reveal or not, having played with you, I know that as a wolf you wouldn't miss a vote. At least I think not. I truly believe a wolf would've made sure their vote was out there, particularly with the warlock on another wolf.

[spleen1015]

Current vote:

spleen1015 (2) - PurdueBrad(1108), RendeR(1110)
RendeR (1) - spleen1015(1114)

Yet to vote - CrimsonFox, KWhit, The Jackal

[KWhit]

I've re-read all of Rrender's and spleen's posts in the game. Unfortunately, there was no smoking gun that points to either of them being wolves. However, they both figured prominently on the day that we finally decided to try to identify the Warlock (Friday - starting around post 954).


This was the ending vote count on the day.

RendeR - 4: Autumn (917), CrimsonFox (918), PurdueBrad (922), The Jackal (936)
spleen1015 - 3: Poli (920), KWhit (975) Schmidty (977)
Poli - 4: J23 (943), spleen1015 (945), RendeR (947), MartinD (950)

Looking back on this now, it appears that it was too little, too late since we're in a do or die situation now.

The things that jump out at me are the fact that Martin (the warlock) is on Poli (and not on either spleen or render), and that spleen was the one who pushed hard for us to vote for a tie:

At the time he started pushing for it, the votes were 4 render / 4 poli / 1 spleen with KWhit and Schmidty votes still outstanding. So the lynch was still in doubt.

Here are spleen's posts about it:

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Is there any interest at all in trying to catch the Warlock again?

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I'll just put this out there and see what the response is.

I know we've had a lot of debate about trying to catch the warlock, but we can do that today if both Kwhit and Schmidty both vote for me.

If they do and I die, then we know the Warlock is one of the 3 people who voted for me. If one of those 3 isn't the Warlock, then he has to be on one of the other 2 and which ever one he's on would die.

I am willing to be sacrificed in order for that to happen. KWhit and Schmidty, vote for me if you're a villager.

Originally Posted by spleen1015

We are in the tie scenario I talked about. Even if there is not a warlock, I think this is a good scenario for the village because we would know that info without losing anyone.

I hope things can stay this way until the deadline. At this point, any vote switches are against the village to me.

I have felt for the past couple of days that Render and Spleen may both be wolves, mainly because they both voted for Saldana day one (possibly in protection of the cunning wolf - DV).

And the vote history above may in fact bear that out. What it looks like Spleen is doing here (pretty forcefully) is arranging the villagers' votes for them to create a 4-4-3 situation. Which would be risky for spleen to do if he were a wolf - I mean why would he want to out the warlock?

But it makes sense if Spleen and Render are both wolves. They know MartinD is the Warlock, so they will be safe if things stay at 4-4-3 (since the extra vote would lynch Poli and save them). And they know that if a villager went against the idea or did a late vote change, we would pounce on them and would probably end up lynching them the next night (as we did everyone else who went against plan).

I hope we have both of the last two wolves in our sights. So which one should I vote for? Because spleen already has 2 votes on him, I'm going to go with him. We don't want to keep the vote too close because the wolves could do a last second vote switch and make it a tie or lynch a villager and win the game.

VOTE SPLEEN

[spleen1015]

I made a push that day because I felt I hadn't contributed much to the game.

At this point, I'm pretty sure you guys are going to lynch me today. I'm sorry I didn't play a better game to help the village win.

[CrimsonFox]

As I said yesterday
VOTE SPLEEN

[CrimsonFox]

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[spleen1015]

VOTE NIGHTFALL

Let's get this over with.

[PurdueBrad]

Spleen today and probably RendeR tomorrow.

vote nightfall

[CrimsonFox]

And despite their nice showcase of "bickering" (nice act guys), Render is who looks to be the other wolf. Lynch him tomorrow.

[KWhit]

Vote Nightfall

[spleen1015]

This is the last time I say this even though I know it won't do any good.

I am not a wolf. This ends the game for the village.

I should have listened to J23 yesterday.

Good game wolves.

[The Jackal]

So my vote doesn't really matter anymore. I, like KWhit, have felt it likely that both render and spleen are wolves the past few days, but there is no hard evidence. Here's hoping.

VOTE SPLEEN
VOTE NIGHTFALL

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

So my vote doesn't really matter anymore.

Which is a problem because the wolves know they are getting another villager lynched.

[The Jackal]

It's quite possible that RendeR and PB are the last two, we'll see.

[Lathum]

You all decide Spleen must be a wolf, you lynch him then nothing happens. He was a vanilla villager.

You mutter and go back to bed....

[Lathum]

You wake in the morning to find Render ripped limb from limb, aparently eaten. You all stare in horror. Just then KWhit leaps on CrimsonFox and rips his head off.

PB then turns to a wolf and the two of them combined overpower Jackal and rip him apart, finishing what they started.

PB and Kwhit high five each other, then PB looks at KWhit, smiles and growls "off to GenCon"...

[Lathum]

Game over, Horde wins.

Feel free to post comments or questions. I really thought there was a nice balance but the wolves won pretty easily between getting lucky with night kills and poor organization from the village.

With regards to the dynamic between the priest/ mage/ rogue I always find it frustrating when the seer gets killed without clearing people. I had those roles in the hopes the mage would be resurected and could clear some people, then the rogue would logically kill them the next night/ My intentio was never to have the mage get additional scans, I felt that would be to powerful. The problem was the mage was killed early and the person he could clear was also killed.

[KWhit]

HOOOOOOOWWWWWWWLLLLLL!!!!!!!

[CrimsonFox]

To paraphrase Dark Helmet in "Spaceballs", "The Horde will always win, because the Alliance is dumb."

Very nice game wolves. A lot of your work was helped by the village . Yes Horde is awesome that's true (but I"m biased with my Tauren Druid and Blood ELf Pally). This game makes me want to lynch everyone that claims "I didn't know any better. I messed up" as a wolf and now I see why the first game I played you guys suspected me for such comments.

[J23]

I really had a feeling about you Kwhit. I have no idea where so many people trusted you for apparently no reason.

Oh well, nicely played.

[CrimsonFox]

The thing is there were so many people that DIStrusted him for no reason also. So it all balanced out Good game Lathum. I liked the creative narratives.

[Lathum]

Thanks CF. Curious to hear how people felt about the balance of the roles.

[CrimsonFox]

The whole Warlock thing really f-ed up the whole game really
There were several things last game that were just like it but this game the warlock caused such overanalysis that who knows.

After the last game of so many roles I missed having lots more roles especially when the roles always seem to get killed off early.

[EagleFan]

I still can't believe that every freaking wolf, including the warlock, voted the cunning on day one.

[The Jackal]

Wow. I had a feeling PB was a wolf but didn't think KWhit was. Well played, both of you.

[The Jackal]

And to Lathum, I think the game balance was fine. Wolves nailed the important roles early and got lucky with some questionable villager decisions.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I still can't believe that every freaking wolf, including the warlock, voted the cunning on day one.

a sacrificial wolf, as it were.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Wow. I had a feeling PB was a wolf but didn't think KWhit was. Well played, both of you.

and Martin too! He made some very good "acting as villager" moves early

and of course DV, wow that best wolf ever. No one dies like that.

[PurdueBrad]

The balance was solid, we had some lucky hits and I really liked the dynamic of the wolf with the extra vote. It really changed how we played, particularly early, when Martin D got stuck on the cunning.

KWhit and MartinD, nice game. Darth, sorry we had to lay you out day 1 but it saved our ass most likely. Village, good game.

[KWhit]

Two things won the game for us:

1) All of us voting for DV on day one. We wouldn't have, but Martin inexplicably put an early vote on him and couldn't move it. So PB and I took a chance early enough to avoid a pile on suspicious vote and ran with it.

2) The warlock craziness. I thought MartinD would be outed very early. You wouldn't believe how hard I was laughing when the chaos erupted at deadline two different times. What I thought was a severe drawback (a wolf who could be outed) turned into a huge benefit as villagers cannibalized each other. That was great!