Werewolf 107, Terror at Blizzcon, Basic Game, GAME OVER, HORDE WINS

[The Jackal]

I'm probably going to leave my vote where it is, looks like clap is likely biting the bullet anyways. Out to work now.

[J23]

Originally Posted by MartinD

Regarding J23 - I haven't looked through the posts in detail, but it seems that his (very) late vote switch last night is the main trigger for the votes in his direction. On the surface, the switch effectively condemned EagleFan instead of Schmidty, but the possible presence of the warlock may mean that there were other reasons for the switch. Of course, it could just be a villager making a late switch for perfectly sensible reasons, and getting the brunt of the fallout when the result of the switch is bad for the village.

Again, the late switch was to try to force the tie, but I was basing it off an inaccurate count. Yes, it would be a convenient excuse for a wolf. I can't really prove that I'm being honest here until I'm killed.

[CrimsonFox]

RealDeal : +CrimsonFox (648) +J23 (685) +Jackal (717) -J23 (724) -CrimsonFox(651)= 1
J23 : +Render (650) +GoldenEagle (716) +RealDeal(720) +MartinD(749) +CrimsonFox(651)= 5
Clap : +poli (677) +Spleen (687) +Autumn (688) +J23(724) +saldana(729) +KWhit(748)= 6

[CrimsonFox]

Bah ruining by selfpredicted numbers...
UNVOTE REALDEAL
VOTE J23

[CrimsonFox]

RealDeal : +CrimsonFox (648) +J23 (685) +Jackal (717) -J23 (724) -CrimsonFox(754)= 1
J23 : +Render (650) +GoldenEagle (716) +RealDeal(720) +MartinD(749) +CrimsonFox(754)= 5
Clap : +poli (677) +Spleen (687) +Autumn (688) +J23(724) +saldana(729) +KWhit(748)= 6

[J23]

Can someone help me out here? If I was a wolf, why would I move my vote at the end from Schmidty to EF? I obviously would be putting a bullseye on my back in doing so, so it had to be worth something.

Is the thinking that Schmidty is a wolf and I was trying to save him?

Is it that EF was worth sacrificing both Clap and myself for? (Clap would have to be in on it since he started the whole thing, right?)

I really can't figure out a way where what I did would be the right move for a wolf to make.

[CrimsonFox]

myself I want to vote for RD but at this point that's a waste.

[J23]

dola-

I'm out shortly until after deadline. I urge you to actually look at my actions over the last couple days rather than just the last second vote before we string up a villager. You can take comfort in the fact that you're not throwing away any special power, but you are wasting another day if I'm lynched.

Also keep in mind that the warlock is potentially out there. We also know that if that role is out there, it wasn't on Schmidty last night.

You know, after the 2 minute to deadline vote by Clap last night which broke the 4-way tie we set up, I really have no idea why there's any question who gets lynched tonight. Be ready to kick yourself tomorrow if I'm not around.

Anyway, hopefully see you guys tomorrow.

[Lathum]

The way CF does those vote counts hurts my head

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The way CF does those vote counts hurts my head

Here here

[CrimsonFox]

hahaha

Simple math hurts, eh?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

hahaha

Simple math hurts, eh?

I think it's more that the math is in there

[GoldenEagle]

I don't think I was a random kill. I play a game where I am always a controversial player who will always be mentioned in the same breath as a wolf. I am also not a good enough player where people think they have to kill me because I provide great insight. So therefore, it is obvious that the wolves had picked up on the fact that there was a good chance that I was the seer.

The question is why? Was it because I was totally against the plan? Maybe. But I don't that was the reasoning. It had to have been my adamant defense of EagleFan (something I sort of regret, but I hate to see an innocent guy get strung up by his shoestrings). The only issue I see is the timing of it all. Clap changed his vote about 5 minutes before deadline. EagleFan was the obvious night one scan and the wolves knew that. Did the wolves plan on killing whoever came to EF's defense? I believe so.

Maybe I can buy into J23's reasoning for changing his vote. I am not sold on it yet, but I can't get away from this line of thinking about clap.

[Poli]

GE, I only wish you had not scanned EF that first night. He was bound to be center of the controversy and be killed soon. By scanning him, you essentially waste the scan on someone who will be out of the game soon and risk potentially exposing yourself to the wolves...both of which unfortunately happened. Sure knowing if EF is good or bad would be nice...but likely inconsequential in the long run.

I bring this up with the best intentions. It's probably the best lesson I have learned in this game, and I actually credit hoopsguy for it.

[Poli]

Further, hoops uses that seer role to create his CoT if I'm not mistaken, not
to necessarily clear people under suspicion. I might be off
on that info though...It's been a while since we had that conversation.

[MartinD]

I've had a think, and I'm going to change my vote. While there's value in keeping things close, that's only useful if the information that we gain from a close vote helps us to find wolves - while I know that 'reading' claphamsa's actions and play isn't easy, there's too much to be suspicious of for me to be comfortable voting for someone else at this point.

UNVOTE J23
VOTE CLAPHAMSA

(Yes, I remembered to unvote this time! )

[CrimsonFox]

The fact that Rendubb and Realdeal are both voting for j23 make me think j23 might be innocent too. Was just wanting to keep it close.

..mmmm...a banana

[GoldenEagle]

The Day 1 scan is always tricky and truthfully it depends on the players playing still. I think I could have defended EF a little better and made sure he did not get lynched if it was not for the "plan".

[EagleFan]

[Schmidty]

Vote clap

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

myself I want to vote for RD but at this point that's a waste.

I don't think this sort of thinking necessarily makes sense four hours before deadline. it is typical for a candidate to rise from no votes to be lynched in that amount of time, but no one is going to vote him if no one starts.

That said, I'm good with Clap going down tonight.

[CrimsonFox]

UNVOTE j23
VOTE RENDUBB (just cause I like saying it)

[Autumn]

huh?

[RendeR]

Unvote J23

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

Gut instinct here. My vote on J23 got what I wanted, lots of discussion of his move. Not totally convinced on him yet. Thinking I'd rather lynch Realdeal but the votes are on Clap at this point so lets roll with that.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

UNVOTE j23
VOTE RENDUBB (just cause I like saying it)

Got anything to base this on and not being wasting a vote on someone whose not even on anyone's radar? Not saying I have anything to prove me innocent either but why now?

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Unvote J23
VOTE CLAPHAMSA

Gut instinct here. My vote on J23 got what I wanted, lots of discussion of his move. Not totally convinced on him yet. Thinking I'd rather lynch Realdeal but the votes are on Clap at this point so lets roll with that.

I'm always leery of someone who says something like this.

[Lathum]

Vote Count

Clap-9- Poli (677), Spleen (687) Autumn (688), J23 (724) Saldana (729), Kwhit (748),Martin (766) Schidty (770), Render (774)
J23-2- GE (716), Realdeal (720)
Realdeal-1-Jackal (717)
Render-1- CF (772)

[PurdueBrad]

Guys, I'm sorry I haven't been around, I've had a migraine most of the day which is killing me. I see it's a runaway but I was considering claph anyway just because I can never read him (no, not a joke about his spelling). So

vote Claphamsa

[Autumn]

Interesting how many unvotes on J23 we've got going on here.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Unvote J23

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

Gut instinct here. My vote on J23 got what I wanted, lots of discussion of his move. Not totally convinced on him yet. Thinking I'd rather lynch Realdeal but the votes are on Clap at this point so lets roll with that.

Ditto. Everything you said is what I wanted too. My suspicions on you are more suspicions on Dubb. ANd it really doesn't matter at this point.

[GoldenEagle]

I think there is a pretty good chance clap is the warlock.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Guys, I'm sorry I haven't been around, I've had a migraine most of the day which is killing me. I see it's a runaway but I was considering claph anyway just because I can never read him (no, not a joke about his spelling). So

vote Claphamsa

Hate migraines, feel better PB.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Autumn

huh?

Render + Dubb = Rendubb
Render took over for Dubb remember.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Hate migraines, feel better PB.

This game seems to GIVE people migraines so I'd hate to see what it would do to someone already WITH one.
Try doing this and it might go away.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I'm always leery of someone who says something like this.

*shrug* I see people doing this every round. Voting for someone JUST to see the discussion and backpeddling and crossvotes that stems from it. Not saying Render is cleared, but that statement goes either way.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

This game seems to GIVE people migraines so I'd hate to see what it would do to someone already WITH one.
Try doing this and it might go away.

I'm out of the game so that should cut down on the number of migraines people get around this time of the day...

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I don't think this sort of thinking necessarily makes sense four hours before deadline. it is typical for a candidate to rise from no votes to be lynched in that amount of time, but no one is going to vote him if no one starts.

That said, I'm good with Clap going down tonight.

true but other things make j23 seem less guilty who I only slightly suspected before. I've been wrong every guess this game so if I don't vote clap, maybe he'll be a wolf :P

[EagleFan]

oh yeah, almost forgot... go village...

[GoldenEagle]

It will be interested to see if I am killed for the second night in a row. I have a theory if I am not.

[CrimsonFox]

Come on Come on, where are the vote-changers!

[GoldenEagle]

Wow, I have been writing poorly today.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Come on Come on, where are the vote-changers!

UNVOTE J23
VOTE CRIMSONFOX

[Autumn]

lol

[CrimsonFox]

So what was all that schmidty voting going on on day 1. He's very silent and just throws out a vote.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

UNVOTE J23
VOTE CRIMSONFOX

You DO care!!!!!!!!!!!

[Autumn]

btw GE, I hope resurrecting you makes up for killing you off in that other game.

[CrimsonFox]

Autumn, was that a reveal...

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Autumn

btw GE, I hope resurrecting you makes up for killing you off in that other game.

I am still waiting for that pizza.

[CrimsonFox]

GE are you going to tell us your theories before you are eaten again?

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Autumn, was that a reveal...

He revealed shortly after yesterday's deadline.