WW XCIII - Mine Wars - Battle of Blair Mountain - SYMPATHIZERS WIN!!! - Page 60

Abe Sargent · 05-07-2009, 02:02 PM

Alright, let's get this thing done

Abe Sargent · 05-07-2009, 02:02 PM

As you head off to Sid Hatfield's office, deputies arrive and grab Daddy Torgo just before you step into the city's borders and would be under the jurisdiction of Sid. They quickly reveal a warrant for DT's arrest for sexually assaulting a local woman named Bridey Mae.

DaddyTorgo is led away back to the train, and taken into custody.

Abe Sargent · 05-07-2009, 02:03 PM

You approach Sid Hatfield’s office and he waves you in.

“I don’t want you making trouble while you are in my town.” He begins.

You begin to talk to him about the miners and their difficulty, but he already knows that. Then you point out the numerous laws the companies have been violating and that gets his dander raised.

Sid Hatfield agrees to ally himself with you, but there are going to be a few changes around here.

Danny · 05-07-2009, 02:04 PM

Nice, USFL your switched turned out ok

Lathum · 05-07-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

We are getting our ass kicked in the camps. We only found wolves because of a good read by BK and a fortunate scan. Why should we stick to a path that has led us to nothing positive?

.

We have won 3 camps and look to be in good shape here and it is a x2, that gives us 5/8. Popular theory is win this mission and they can't arrest anymore. It seems like the game was set up to favor them at first. Plus as numbers dwindle they become alot more exposed by possibly having to fake work.

Danny · 05-07-2009, 02:05 PM

Read the description for Sid, looks like no more bribes or false arrests?

Lathum · 05-07-2009, 02:05 PM

nice outcome. Hopefully DT is the last arrest.

USFLTecmo · 05-07-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Nice, USFL your switched turned out ok

Your deadline post made me worry that we somehow knew the number we needed, and I hadn't caught up enough to catch it. This way, we're also set on food, if no one fakes, like you and EF were talking about earlier. I caught your two posts (2:32 and 2:36 PM, Eastern) at 2:57, so I figured I had to make the move, and fast.

Danny · 05-07-2009, 02:06 PM

It turned out well even with the arrest on DT. And now we have the extra point of work too

Barkeep49 · 05-07-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Read the description for Sid, looks like no more bribes or false arrests?

My guess is no more murders, at least not the illegal kind.

Danny · 05-07-2009, 02:07 PM

There is legal murder?

ntndeacon · 05-07-2009, 02:08 PM

I know we are going to want this mission, but I strongly feel we need at least one person working on hunting. I have no basis forthe following statement, but I do think we have more than covered th mission.

My thought process for that is that sending all towards the mission might make it possible for the camp to be stopped by arrests and judicious non working. I would like to have 1 person on Hunting as well. this would still give 8 on the Mission.

ntndeacon · 05-07-2009, 02:10 PM

oops did not realize it was after time when I said that

EagleFan · 05-07-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

EF is a poor lynch target. He was the attempted night kill night 3, there is only one possible conversion after that.

I would be all for people looking into me, I think everyone except BK should be looked at closely (with jeheinz probably the next closest - only having possible cunning as a setback but shouldn't be a conversion possible as of yet; if they can arrest, convert and kill on the same day we might as well quit now). I think there have been more than just 1 possible conversion night since then.

As long as the village learns something from lynching me I would be okay with it, but only if you learn something from it as we would be losing a villager.

Danny · 05-07-2009, 02:11 PM

We are good now. Tomorrow we will only need 7 points in hunting and have at least 11 players to put into that work.

Danny · 05-07-2009, 02:16 PM

I'm off for a while, but will be back before deadline

Barkeep49 · 05-07-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

There is legal murder?

Since we're doing with unions, I would imagine some the murders, such as the train, might be considered "legal" as they were "self-defense" or dealing with a "riot" or some such nonsense.

EagleFan · 05-07-2009, 02:23 PM

Not sure how to read into Hatfield's description.

Nothing illegal, does that mean it's all about the camps now?

If that is the case I say no lynch if we aren't certain of who we are going after.

USFLTecmo · 05-07-2009, 02:34 PM

We're not killing, we're ousting, which I take to mean sending people away, not doing anything else illegal.

Abe Sargent · 05-07-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by USFLTecmo

We're not killing, we're ousting, which I take to mean sending people away, not doing anything else illegal.

Ousting is ousting, noot killing or anything, you aren;t evil, so calm down. You may, of course, continue to Oust as normal.

Abe Sargent · 05-07-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Not sure how to read into Hatfield's description.

Nothing illegal, does that mean it's all about the camps now?

If that is the case I say no lynch if we aren't certain of who we are going after.

Any people with illegal actions, whether Labor or Sympathizer, may not take them any longer.

Examples will not be given, it should be fairly evident what is and is not legal.

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

ntndeacon 1 - Glengoyne (2767)
claphamsa 4 - Lathum (2771), Chief Rum (2772), Danny (2801), RendeR (2842)
Danny 2 - clamphamsa (2777), jeheinz72 (2861)
DaddyTorgo 1 - Barkeep49 (2779)
Lathum 1 - EagleFan (2867)

Ok folks, serious, Clappy as our main target today? Call me crazy but I doubt it's a coincidence that he's the lead vote getting, no votes are moving and we're seemingly genuinely disorganized.

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2009, 02:42 PM

Unvote Danny
Vote PB

USFLTecmo · 05-07-2009, 02:43 PM

I've never been much good at figuring out who to vote for. Help me out here. Why should I go the way you are going?

Barkeep49 · 05-07-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Ok folks, serious, Clappy as our main target today? Call me crazy but I doubt it's a coincidence that he's the lead vote getting, no votes are moving and we're seemingly genuinely disorganized.

I've been thinking of clap myself. He, like RendeR, have NOTHING to suggest good or evil. Everyone else can, I think, make some claim to good.

Abe Sargent · 05-07-2009, 02:44 PM

By May 16, 25 locals of the UMW had been formed in Mingo county as a backlash against company policy and the lack of pay, and again, Baldwin-Felts detectives arrived to discourage the practice of joining or assisting labor in any way.

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2009, 02:47 PM

Me?

It's partly attrition. I"m really only considering the non-cleareds today. I'm not voting clap, it seems standard fare for him so far and he's given me no real reason. I'm not voting for NTN, likely not DT.

That then leaves the group

Danny, USFL, Glen, PB, RendeR

I'm in agreement on Danny's reasoning that he's likely only a wolf if PB is. So cross Danny off.

Glen just hasn't given me a wolf vibe. I'm not clearing him because of the whole Schmidty-abscence, but just not getting that feel (of course I haven't played with him much)

RendeR I elevate a bit b/c of the Pass arguement and head-to-head votes with Jackal from early on. Not a clearance, but a tick upward.

That leaves PB and You.

So that should make your vote a simple one.

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I've been thinking of clap myself. He, like RendeR, have NOTHING to suggest good or evil. Everyone else can, I think, make some claim to good.

I just think it'd be a hollow vote. Stabbing in the dark. Plus, we learn little from his death (outside of today's vote). I think PB, good or (ideally) bad, could be a good lynchpin on the overall game.

EagleFan · 05-07-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by USFLTecmo

We're not killing, we're ousting, which I take to mean sending people away, not doing anything else illegal.

I was thinking more about the night kills. If there are no more night kills because of this then it has become all about the camps.

If it is all about the camps we should do a no lynch today unless we feel VERY certain about our action. A bad lynch costs us work units down the line.

ntndeacon · 05-07-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

I was thinking more about the night kills. If there are no more night kills because of this then it has become all about the camps.

If it is all about the camps we should do a no lynch today unless we feel VERY certain about our action. A bad lynch costs us work units down the line.

I am assuming the night kills are not kills either, but maybe firings and a ticket out of town. Which wouldn't be illegal either. I still expect night kills.

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2009, 02:52 PM

C'mon EF, quit trying to be a distraction.

Barkeep49 · 05-07-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I just think it'd be a hollow vote. Stabbing in the dark. Plus, we learn little from his death (outside of today's vote). I think PB, good or (ideally) bad, could be a good lynchpin on the overall game.

So if PB turns up good, what do you feel that tells us? I'm missing that part of the conversation.

Barkeep49 · 05-07-2009, 02:54 PM

I'll tell you one thing this does: It lets PB off the hook for ever putting up. Clearly blowing stuff up IS illegal. I understand where PB has gotten a pass, but his judgment only looks worse in light of today.

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

So if PB turns up good, what do you feel that tells us? I'm missing that part of the conversation.

I think it tells us Danny is good (no way a wolf moves late in villager vs villager)

I think it's a bad tick for EF who has been hound-dogging him.

I think it's a tick for me not being the cunning, as I was professing this earlier.

Those are off the top of my head, I'm sure I could dig more if I had a spare like week or three.

Barkeep49 · 05-07-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'll tell you one thing this does: It lets PB off the hook for ever putting up. Clearly blowing stuff up IS illegal. I understand where PB has gotten a pass, but his judgment only looks worse in light of today.

This being our mission's success.

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2009, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'll tell you one thing this does: It lets PB off the hook for ever putting up. Clearly blowing stuff up IS illegal. I understand where PB has gotten a pass, but his judgment only looks worse in light of today.

?

I thought it was DT who didn't use it.

Or was that ET?

Mr. T?

AJ?

MJ?

So many damn initials, BK.

Barkeep49 · 05-07-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I think it tells us Danny is good (no way a wolf moves late in villager vs villager)

I agree.

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I think it's a bad tick for EF who has been hound-dogging him.

I think it's a tick for me not being the cunning, as I was professing this earlier.

How does it do these last two things? Villager/Villager is the most likely combination in any 2 player argument. And how does it help you not be cunning?

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2009, 02:56 PM

I should just be 72.

I'm sure we can just whittle everyone down to two letters. Hoops could be HO. I like that.

We could make like a Table of Elements, only it'd be a Table of WW (!) players.

Barkeep49 · 05-07-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

?

I thought it was DT who didn't use it.

Or was that ET?

Mr. T?

AJ?

MJ?

So many damn initials, BK.

You're correct. That statement should read DT in each place I say PB.

EagleFan · 05-07-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

C'mon EF, quit trying to be a distraction.

What distraction? Just bringing up possibilities. We need to consider all possiblities. If as someone mentioned that they were not actually night kills then there is no change. If they were kills, that would be a HUGE change because of this ally. That is not a distraction, that is trying to cover all the bases.

Barkeep49 · 05-07-2009, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I should just be 72.

I'm sure we can just whittle everyone down to two letters. Hoops could be HO. I like that.

We could make like a Table of Elements, only it'd be a Table of WW (!) players.

You'd be JH, imo.

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I agree.

How does it do these last two things? Villager/Villager is the most likely combination in any 2 player argument. And how does it help you not be cunning?

I mean those last two more as "nudges" than cold hard facts ala the Danny one. Just things I came up with literally with zero research.

Certainly I don't think we get as much, if anything, lynching clap. I mean who has come out strongly against clap before today? Lathum. Yeah, while there is that looming conversion chance, clap being a villager is really a non-game-changer (granted, his being a wolf might be, but hell, anyone new turning up wolf probably tells us just as much)

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

What distraction? Just bringing up possibilities. We need to consider all possiblities. If as someone mentioned that they were not actually night kills then there is no change. If they were kills, that would be a HUGE change because of this ally. That is not a distraction, that is trying to cover all the bases.

I would debate that. I don't think today is the day for random-ass possibilities. I think today is the day for focused discussion and a good vote. Not "Let's create silly tangents"

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

You'd be JH, imo.

I'm calling you 49 forevermore, 49.

Barkeep49 · 05-07-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I'm calling you 49 forevermore, 49.

My guess is that people have been calling me BK online since before you had the internet. My online name has been Barkeep49 for 15 years by now.

EagleFan · 05-07-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I would debate that. I don't think today is the day for random-ass possibilities. I think today is the day for focused discussion and a good vote. Not "Let's create silly tangents"

Because we have gotten so much accomplished by toeing the line...

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2009, 03:03 PM

I'm a revolutionary, 49.

EagleFan · 05-07-2009, 03:04 PM

Of course we could always load up on discussions of initials instead of alternate theories... that's no tangent...

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Because we have gotten so much accomplished by toeing the line...

We're TWO for THREE! We were going to lynch Jackal even before he was outed by Norm. Discussing and focused voting has served us well thus far. Paranoia is what has caused the problems.

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Of course we could always load up on discussions of initials instead of alternate theories... that's no tangent...

FU EF

05-07-2009, 02:02 PM	#2951
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Alright, let's get this thing done __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-07-2009, 02:02 PM	#2952
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	As you head off to Sid Hatfield's office, deputies arrive and grab Daddy Torgo just before you step into the city's borders and would be under the jurisdiction of Sid. They quickly reveal a warrant for DT's arrest for sexually assaulting a local woman named Bridey Mae. DaddyTorgo is led away back to the train, and taken into custody. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-07-2009, 02:03 PM	#2953
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	You approach Sid Hatfield’s office and he waves you in. “I don’t want you making trouble while you are in my town.” He begins. You begin to talk to him about the miners and their difficulty, but he already knows that. Then you point out the numerous laws the companies have been violating and that gets his dander raised. Sid Hatfield agrees to ally himself with you, but there are going to be a few changes around here. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-07-2009, 02:34 PM	#2969
USFLTecmo H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, Wisconsin	We're not killing, we're ousting, which I take to mean sending people away, not doing anything else illegal. __________________ Commissioner - Blindside Baseball League

05-07-2009, 02:43 PM	#2974
USFLTecmo H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, Wisconsin	I've never been much good at figuring out who to vote for. Help me out here. Why should I go the way you are going? __________________ Commissioner - Blindside Baseball League

05-07-2009, 02:04 PM	#2954
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Nice, USFL your switched turned out ok

05-07-2009, 02:05 PM	#2956
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Read the description for Sid, looks like no more bribes or false arrests?

05-07-2009, 02:05 PM	#2957
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	nice outcome. Hopefully DT is the last arrest.

05-07-2009, 02:06 PM	#2959
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	It turned out well even with the arrest on DT. And now we have the extra point of work too

05-07-2009, 02:07 PM	#2961
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	There is legal murder?

05-07-2009, 02:08 PM	#2962
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I know we are going to want this mission, but I strongly feel we need at least one person working on hunting. I have no basis forthe following statement, but I do think we have more than covered th mission. My thought process for that is that sending all towards the mission might make it possible for the camp to be stopped by arrests and judicious non working. I would like to have 1 person on Hunting as well. this would still give 8 on the Mission.

05-07-2009, 02:10 PM	#2963
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	oops did not realize it was after time when I said that

05-07-2009, 02:11 PM	#2965
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	We are good now. Tomorrow we will only need 7 points in hunting and have at least 11 players to put into that work.

05-07-2009, 02:16 PM	#2966
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'm off for a while, but will be back before deadline

05-07-2009, 02:23 PM	#2968
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Not sure how to read into Hatfield's description. Nothing illegal, does that mean it's all about the camps now? If that is the case I say no lynch if we aren't certain of who we are going after.

05-07-2009, 02:44 PM	#2976
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	By May 16, 25 locals of the UMW had been formed in Mingo county as a backlash against company policy and the lack of pay, and again, Baldwin-Felts detectives arrived to discourage the practice of joining or assisting labor in any way. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-07-2009, 02:54 PM	#2983
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I'll tell you one thing this does: It lets PB off the hook for ever putting up. Clearly blowing stuff up IS illegal. I understand where PB has gotten a pass, but his judgment only looks worse in light of today.

05-07-2009, 03:04 PM	#2998
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Of course we could always load up on discussions of initials instead of alternate theories... that's no tangent...

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