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Old 12-02-2022, 10:23 PM   #1551
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He didn't forget. He's seen it on display almost all season. Sort of a two-headed thing there, criticize em for it, but offense is good enough to be 11-1 in his first year. I say positive.

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Old 12-02-2022, 10:24 PM   #1552
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Is there a rule in the Pac-12 that your only allowed 10 men on defense?

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Old 12-02-2022, 10:28 PM   #1553
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That is probably the ballgame and the end of William's Heisman hopes.

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Old 12-02-2022, 10:31 PM   #1554
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This is pathetic. Even if USC scored a TD on that drive instead of the INT, it wouldn't have mattered.
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Old 12-02-2022, 10:31 PM   #1555
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So how bad does TCU have to lose by to get Bama into the playoff?
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Old 12-02-2022, 10:31 PM   #1556
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Congratulations, The Ohio State. You most likely get Georgia.

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Old 12-02-2022, 10:32 PM   #1557
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Is there a rule in the Pac-12 that your only allowed 10 men on defense?

Utah is a Top 20 defense. Just sayin'.
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Old 12-02-2022, 10:32 PM   #1558
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So how bad does TCU have to lose by to get Bama into the playoff?

What I think it should be? About 30, and even then it's really hard to swallow. I'd be more comfortable with a number near infinity.

What I think it actually is? 10-14.

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Old 12-02-2022, 10:37 PM   #1559
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The last time Georgia played Ohio State, the Buckeyes QB was some guy named Kent Herbstreit.

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Old 12-02-2022, 10:42 PM   #1560
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40-7 run since USC was ahead 17-3. That's ... really something.
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Old 12-02-2022, 10:45 PM   #1561
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There is a possibility that TCU loses and ends up at 4, OSU at 3. The Big Game 2.0?

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Old 12-02-2022, 10:47 PM   #1562
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Utah is about as physical a team tonight as I have seen in awhile.
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Old 12-02-2022, 10:52 PM   #1563
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So how bad does TCU have to lose by to get Bama into the playoff?

I think TCU is in regardless now. If they lose that bad, KSU will likely jump to #5 or 6 and simultaneously be both their only loss and best their best win.

The only way I can think Alabama could possibly jump Ohio State would be if Michigan loses bad enough that it somehow makes Ohio Stateís loss look worse, but that seems like a big stretch since they would still have one less loss.
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Old 12-02-2022, 10:56 PM   #1564
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There is a possibility that TCU loses and ends up at 4, OSU at 3. The Big Game 2.0?

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It would be interesting to see what the committee does if Georgia loses and TCU and Michigan win. Would they want the Big Game again in the opening round or wait to set up for the possibility of it being the title game.
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Old 12-02-2022, 11:11 PM   #1565
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I think that's the more likely scenario. I almost want to see it happen just to see what the committee does. Not that I think Georgia will lose, but if they did and Michigan wins it's pretty clear they should be #1, and no reason Georgia should drop below Ohio State.

I still think they would do something silly like pretend Georgia didn't lose or put them at 4 or something to avoid the rematch.

Even though I like Utah, I'm still sad USC lost. I really liked the four we have now. Four regions, four conference champions (potentially, obviously not anymore). Gonna be messier now no matter what happens.
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Old 12-03-2022, 12:56 AM   #1566
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I wonder how the Pac Twelve feels about its championship game now?

Not a single one of the major conferences will be any better off for having one, except for some revenue.

I was rooting for USC. No good can come from a rematch of The Game, especially in the semifinal. Now just hope for chalk tomorrow, I guess. I think the committee would alter their rankings to avoid a rematch, if possible. They did it last year, when Alabama beat Georgia convincingly in the SEC championship, but Georgia only dropped to #3, still ahead of undefeated Cincinnati.

Assuming Ohio State is #4 for now. They could pin OSU there, unless Georgia loses. If Georgia loses and Michigan goes to #1, they could drop Georgia to #4 - or TCU if TCU loses tomorrow. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch.

If TCU gets blasted so much that the committee wants Alabama instead, then maybe they'll enjoy the idea of SEC and Big Ten semifinals. People would buy into that.
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Old 12-03-2022, 02:44 AM   #1567
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It would be interesting to see what the committee does if Georgia loses and TCU and Michigan win. Would they want the Big Game again in the opening round or wait to set up for the possibility of it being the title game.

Michigan 1, TCU 2, Georgia 3, Ohio State 4 is the obvious to my gut ... but Georgia would have the worse loss in that scenario, so there's certainly a valid path to avoid the rematch

And the committee has shown that "worst loss" is more influential to them than "best win" (see Alabama & Tennessee relative ranking) so as I'm typing, yeah , I think in that scenario they would avoid the Big Game rematch in round one and move Georgia down to 4th.
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Old 12-03-2022, 05:55 AM   #1568
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What I think it actually is? 10-14.

Pretty much this.

I'm somewhat ambivalent about TCU or AL. I'm done with AL but there is some symmetry in an all SEC vs Big 10 showdown if AL sneaks in.

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Old 12-03-2022, 08:34 AM   #1569
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I wish the 12 was in effect now. Last night, only USC was playing for something. In a 12 team playoff, Utah, at 11, would have been playing to stay in the playoff AND both teams would have been playing for a bye.

I think the new system is going to be fun. Probably mostly because we get 4 playoff home games instead of bowl site games.
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Old 12-03-2022, 08:40 AM   #1570
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I've been moved in the opposite direction. It'll mean games like Michigan-Ohio State, many SEC championships, etc. with top teams late in the season don't really mean anything because both teams are making the playoffs anyway so there isn't as much at stake. Basically the larger the playoff field gets the more the regular season is devalued. The only real 'fix' is one that will never happen - enforcing balanced conferences.

I don't think it's accurate to say Utah wasn't playing for anything - they were playing to go to the Rose Bowl again, which they get to do now.
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Old 12-03-2022, 09:01 AM   #1571
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I've been moved in the opposite direction. It'll mean games like Michigan-Ohio State, many SEC championships, etc. with top teams late in the season don't really mean anything because both teams are making the playoffs anyway so there isn't as much at stake. Basically the larger the playoff field gets the more the regular season is devalued. The only real 'fix' is one that will never happen - enforcing balanced conferences.

I don't think it's accurate to say Utah wasn't playing for anything - they were playing to go to the Rose Bowl again, which they get to do now.
So, playing in the Rose Bowl is playing for something, but being your conference champion isn't? That's some weird logic.
Georgia was National Champions last year, and I can tell you it still bothers me we didn't win the SEC. That belt may not be AS important as the NC, but it still important. At least to fans of the teams it is. Even if the SEC championship game may hurt Georgia's position in the playoffs some years, or even possibly eliminate them, I would still want them playing in that game. I can tell you right now there are plenty of Bama fans that would rather be watching their team playing for the possibility to win the SEC than hoping something crazy happens to get them in a playoff.
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Old 12-03-2022, 09:10 AM   #1572
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I think winning the conference still matters, but I also think it's the inherent nature of a playoff that it will gradually make that mean less and less. With all the realignment that's happening I don't see how to keep a strong attachment/identity to the conference. When you say Big Ten, SEC, etc champion, what do you mean by that? What it is now? What it was 10 years ago? What it will be in five years? Because all of those are very different things.
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Old 12-03-2022, 09:22 AM   #1573
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I wouldn't underestimate the importance of playing for one of those first round byes. They would be huge
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Old 12-03-2022, 09:25 AM   #1574
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Looking at some bowl projections. They are saying USC to the cotton bowl vs. Tulane. I realize I am 100% being a homer, but based off the way they lost last night and Williams maybe not being 100% I think Washington should get that game.
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Old 12-03-2022, 09:30 AM   #1575
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I think winning the conference still matters, but I also think it's the inherent nature of a playoff that it will gradually make that mean less and less. With all the realignment that's happening I don't see how to keep a strong attachment/identity to the conference. When you say Big Ten, SEC, etc champion, what do you mean by that? What it is now? What it was 10 years ago? What it will be in five years? Because all of those are very different things.
Maybe it is a regional thing. LSU is not playing today to get to the Sugar Bowl. They are playing to hang up the SEC championship banner. Winning the SEC has always been important, and really don't see that changing. Maybe in the Big 10 it is more about the bowl? IDK. I don't see it ever being a nothing burger being a conference champion.
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Old 12-03-2022, 09:44 AM   #1576
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I wouldn't underestimate the importance of playing for one of those first round byes. They would be huge

People are talking like the NFL and CFB are 2 different sports. They're not! You play for a bye, and if you don't get a bye, you play to host the 1st round. Both of those are hugely important.
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Old 12-03-2022, 09:46 AM   #1577
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Also re LSU, in 2 years they would be playing for a spot in the playoff in addition to an SEC banner.
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Old 12-03-2022, 10:04 AM   #1578
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But who will remember the annual couple of "GREATEST GAMES EVER PLAYED" if they have to, actually, settle it on the field instead of some totally subjective beauty pageant with lots of "eye tests" and no real metrics due to no common opponents to get the only two (or four) spots for a title

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Old 12-03-2022, 10:20 AM   #1579
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There's still not going to be much in the way of real metrics. And there never can be with the current state of conferences in college football.
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Old 12-03-2022, 10:21 AM   #1580
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There's still not going to be much in the way of real metrics. And there never can be with the current state of conferences in college football.

Agreed, but the more teams included, the easier it is not miss a very deserving team.

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Old 12-03-2022, 10:25 AM   #1581
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Exactly.

It's like the 68 team March Madness - yeah, there are some teams who probably deserved to be in, but you can save your hour-long ESPN show bitching about an 18-12 team missing out.
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Old 12-03-2022, 10:42 AM   #1582
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Coastal Carolina is in Troy Alabama for the Sun Belt Championship tonight. Don't have much hope for them if their #1 QB can't start, it's a game time decision. Also lots of rumors flying around that Coach Chadwell is leaving Coastal for Liberty, which I hope is not true.
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Old 12-03-2022, 10:48 AM   #1583
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I don't think the basketball comparisions make sense. Basketball games are a grind. There are far more scoring plays. The 'one big play that changes a season' is orders of magnitude more a thing in football, also because there are far fewer games in football, injuries are a more common and prevalent factor, etc. The sports are just fundamentally different, and similar competitive structures are not necessarily appropriate.
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Old 12-03-2022, 11:52 AM   #1584
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Nice TD for KSU

Great call, I wouldn’t have gone for it on 4th and goal. Tied 7-7
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Old 12-03-2022, 12:17 PM   #1585
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Bunch of AL fans hooting right now. 14-7 KSU
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Old 12-03-2022, 12:20 PM   #1586
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Alabama better not get in. What a bunch of crap.
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Old 12-03-2022, 01:19 PM   #1587
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What were any of those of announcers looking at to think that TCU's QB's arm wasn't coming forward. It was clear. It wasn't until you could read the ref's lips saying 4th down that the ref/announcer started backtracking on what he said. But Herbstreit doubled down on his stupidity. He may have wanted to hold the ball at the last minute, but his arm was already coming forward as the guy spiked it out of his grasp.
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Old 12-03-2022, 02:36 PM   #1588
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Uh oh. If there is an upset, it won’t be by much
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Old 12-03-2022, 02:52 PM   #1589
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In a just world, Duggan would be getting a lot of Heisman 1st place votes after this game.
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Old 12-03-2022, 03:03 PM   #1590
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Seems the committee is already meeting, wearing striped shirts and debating the playoffs between every play.

Still, not nearly enough to get TCU out of third place. Duggan was quite impressive.
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Old 12-03-2022, 03:04 PM   #1591
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In a just world, Duggan would be getting a lot of Heisman 1st place votes after this game.

Which is a pretty sad indictment of the state of the Heisman race this year.

Tremendous effort but the passing game is chuck & duck.
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Old 12-03-2022, 03:05 PM   #1592
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Congrats KSU.

Great goal line stand on OT. Now for the real question …
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Old 12-03-2022, 03:11 PM   #1593
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TCU will get absolutely boatraced by Georgia or Michigan.

They've played the toughest schedule overall of any playoff contender but they've yet to play anyone that's in the range of being "very good". And very good will victimize them badly.
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Old 12-03-2022, 03:13 PM   #1594
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the real Q is do i go back to the grocery store for bogo chocolate dipped pretzles (which i do not need) or not.

cfb playoffs dont need expansion.
the debate of 2 loss bama and 1 kiss tcu is enough sample size
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Old 12-03-2022, 03:24 PM   #1595
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I can't believe they ran it 2 plays in a row without letting the QB run the ball.

TCU deserves the right to get boatraced. It's a 4 team tournament and they are one of the top 4 teams based on all measures.
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the real Q is do i go back to the grocery store for bogo chocolate dipped pretzles (which i do not need) or not.

cfb playoffs dont need expansion.
the debate of 2 loss bama and 1 kiss tcu is enough sample size

Sure go for it. Championship weekend is only once a year
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Old 12-03-2022, 03:25 PM   #1597
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As a native New Orleanian, it is strange for me to be watching a ranked Tulane team playing a relevant football game after Thanksgiving.
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Old 12-03-2022, 03:28 PM   #1598
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TCU deserves the right to get boatraced. It's a 4 team tournament and they are one of the top 4 teams based on all measures.

You aren't seeing me argue against 'em in that metric.

It's a playoff that has two teams too many already, that ain't TCU's fault.
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Old 12-03-2022, 03:34 PM   #1599
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I can't believe they ran it 2 plays in a row without letting the QB run the ball.

TCU deserves the right to get boatraced. It's a 4 team tournament and they are one of the top 4 teams based on all measures.

I agree, they didnít lose ďbadĒ enough to drop out of Top 4.

GA MI OSU TCU right now. Iím good with another The Game
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Iím torn between my hatred of uGA and my hatred of Brian Kelly.
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