Werewolf XXI - Werewolf goes to Hollywood - Game Over!! Death Eaters win!!

[Desnudo]

I think coder will wake up very suprised to find himself alive.

[Schmidty]

Blah. I think I'm done with WW for a while.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

So 3 no votes?

Superman, WVUFan and Pass.

Is that any of these guys second misssed vote? All three have hardly been involved lately and it's not fair to everyone else to have people ghosting through the game.

[kingfc22]

The follwing records the final votes for all the remaining members of the village.

Analysis based on votes:

Jesse - 2 DE votes (Qwik, sndvls), 2 wizard votes (Path x2), 1 unknown vote
Dubb - 2 DE votes (Qwik, sndvls), 3 wizard votes (Alan. Mr. W, Schmidty), 1 unknown vote
Lathum - 2 DE votes (Qwik, sndvls), 3 wizard votes (Path x3), 1 unknown vote
Superman - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 1 wizard vote (Path), 2 unknown votes
WVUFan - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 2 wizard votes (Mr. W x2)
Pass - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 2 wizard votes (Alan, Mr. W), 1 unknown vote
KWhit - 1 DE vote (Qwik), 3 wizard votes (Mr. W, Path, Gramm), 1 unknown vote
King - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 3 wizard votes (Path x2, Gramm), 2 unknown votes
RPI - 1 DE vote (Qwik), 3 wizard votes (Alan, Path, Gramm), 2 unknown votes
Desnudo - 1 DE vote (Qwik), 3 wizard votes (Mr. W x2, CW), 2 unknown votes
Taz - 1 DE vote (Qwik), 5 wizard votes (superman, Mr. W x2, Path, Gramm)
Jeeber - 3 wizard votes (blade, Path x2), 3 unknown votes
RA - 4 wizard votes (Alan, Mr. W, Gramm x2), 1 unknown vote
AE - 4 wizard votes (Neon, Alan, Mr. W, Gramm), 2 unknown votes
Coder - 5 wizard votes (Mr. W x2, CW, Gramm x2), 1 unknown vote


Coder is now my #1 suspect.
WVUFan is not far behind with him missing 3 votes already.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Coder is now my #1 suspect.
WVUFan is not far behind with him missing 3 votes already.

Honestly, if he's missed three votes, he should be out and his role, if any, reassigned.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Is that any of these guys second misssed vote? All three have hardly been involved lately and it's not fair to everyone else to have people ghosting through the game.

WVU - 3 missed votes
Superman and Pass - 2 missed votes each

[Schmidty]

By the way, I apologize for fucking everyone over. I hope people don't hold grudges in any future games I play.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

By the way, I apologize for fucking everyone over. I hope people don't hold grudges in any future games I play.

I've never held a grudge against anyone from 1 WW game to another. To do so is utterly stupid and childish.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

WVU - 3 missed votes
Superman and Pass - 2 missed votes each

Saldana, any thoughts on this subject? I know in past games people have been removed for missing a few votes. It gives people an unfair advantage.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

By the way, I apologize for fucking everyone over. I hope people don't hold grudges in any future games I play.

Sorry Schmidty, I git it wrong.

[Grammaticus]

dola, "got it wrong". Or maybe keep getting it wrong.

[Desnudo]

I like the git, I picture you speaking with a big chaw in your mouth.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I like the git, I picture you speaking with a big chaw in your mouth.

That's pretty good. But I did not grow up in Tennessee and would yak if I had any chew. I actually did yak in Lake Michigan after trying to chew some copenhagen in high school, blah.

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Jesse still hasn't said anything of consequence, so I'm leaning towards him, Jeeber, Lathum, Pass, or king tomorrow (if I'm alive).

Jesus Christ, people, how many times do I have to say it? When I'm around to post, I do. But lately I've hardly had any free time, so I think the 44 (45 now) posts I've made in this thread aren't anything to sneeze at. It's more than at least half the other people that are still alive...

I had a feeling that Schmidty was a good guy, but at least we know for sure now that Gramm is clean...

[Neon_Chaos]

JESUS H. CHRIST.

It's like watching a headless chicken waddle into the middle of a busy freeway.

[SnDvls]

I love being a dead Death Eater.....GO DE's!!!!

[Lathum]

so where do we go now?

[Desnudo]

Well we know Schmidty isn't a DE, so he's out.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Well we know Schmidty isn't a DE, so he's out.

great observation

[Desnudo]

That's what I'm paid for.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

That's what I'm paid for.

lol, nice.

Probably not a good idea to discuss who we plan on going after next before the night actions.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by dubb93

lol, nice.

Probably not a good idea to discuss who we plan on going after next before the night actions.

But, Schmidty is the perfect target. I think Desnudo hit the nail on the head with his suberb observations.

[Desnudo]

Looking at King's chart, it's pretty clear who has the worst voting records. However, do you take that at face value or do you speculate that maybe someone voted for one of their own, knowing that it would probably ensure their survival late into the game.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Looking at King's chart, it's pretty clear who has the worst voting records. However, do you take that at face value or do you speculate that maybe someone voted for one of their own, knowing that it would probably ensure their survival late into the game.

Following that thought process. Take a look at Taz. 1 DE vote and then 5 wizard votes. Fits perfectly with what you have described.

[kingfc22]

So 15 left.

More than likely 12-3. Worst case 11-4 IMO.

[Desnudo]

Yeah, I'm also wary of people who agree too quickly with me. Check out Kingfc's voting record.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Yeah, I'm also wary of people who agree too quickly with me. Check out Kingfc's voting record.

Yep, mine sucks too. However, I'm not a DE.

[kingfc22]

Dola - it's the same as yours, but I don't think you are a DE.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

So 15 left.

More than likely 12-3. Worst case 11-4 IMO.

I hope it's 12 left because those three with 2+ missing votes need to get booted. If any of the three turned out to be DEs, that would upset me.

Let's say they're not, that would make it 9-3.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Dola - it's the same as yours, but I don't think you are a DE.

I was hoping you'd notice that. If you apply my theory, then you and I are the next in line. Unless you want to take it extreme and look at the guys who have voted for both DEs. I wouldn't put it past them, it's a high risk/high reward scenario.

I think there's a couple of scenarios for tomorrow that bear exploring. Hopefully our decision won't get us armchair QB'd by the dead again.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I think there's a couple of scenarios for tomorrow that bear exploring. Hopefully our decision won't get us armchair QB'd by the dead again.

LOL, anything by that.

[TazFTW]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Following that thought process. Take a look at Taz. 1 DE vote and then 5 wizard votes. Fits perfectly with what you have described.

Oh great. I knew I should have saved my vial.

[Coder]

wha wha what?

[Coder]

That one solved absolutely nothing.. I really honestly hoped that if Gramm was the duke he should have lynched me... I even said so.. we had two prime suspects which created two major sides..

Now I won't have the slightest doubt that I get to hang next time around (unless of course the deatheaters kill me tonight which would be an awful play by them since they can have two dead wizards by tomorrow if they don't).

[Coder]

I'm going to make an early prediction, interpret that as you wish. Tonight, the deatheaters will killl Grammaticus, tomorrow, I will be lynched.

I said we had nothing to lose by lynching Gramm, and I stand by that. Like I mentioned in post #1858:

I have some doubts about Gram at the moment, mainly due to what Des said earlier.. if Gram is lying, why didn't the real duke reverse the lynching of path12 and put Gram there instead?

I then went on to say this in post #1864

I still think that lynching Gram is the best thing to do, even if he is the Duke.. it's a win win situation. Obviously Gram can't be killed by a lynching if he's the duke and obviously he'll get killed by the lynching if he's a werewolf.

In summary, I say this.. I don't regret voting on Gram.. it was the best thing to do.. we had such an opportunity to smoke out a DE and we lost it. I even asked Gram to take me out if he was a DE because that's where things were pointing.

I'll be completing yesterday's votes in my Excelsheet later today at work.

[Coder]

Here is where I questioned Gram's decision to lynch me instead of Schmidty should he really be the duke (1827):

Why vote different here than who you plan on lynching in case you getting lynched?

I'll also stick this in there (1841):

So if you were a duke, and Schmidty is a wizard, where does that scenario take you? Does that help you make voting decisions in the future, cause it would completely throw me off the track.

Also, if you are the duke, make that change, and Schmidty is a deatheater.. I will officially ask for SkyDog to give the title: Dumbest Werewolf Player Evah - Bar None.

Then I turn your eyes to Grammaticus post #1848:

Quote:

Then I would look at Dubb and the other palyers mentioned

Then we would get a DE and that would be good.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by saldana

final votes

gram - 8 - RA, Taz, coder, schmidty, rpi, jesse_ewiak, king, kwhit
coder - 5 - AE, gram, lathum, jeeber, desnudo
Schmidty - 1 - dubb

Does a search of Schmidty's room uncover anything? Any possessions?

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Does a search of Schmidty's room uncover anything? Any possessions?

A George Foreman grill and pack of moist towlettes.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Does a search of Schmidty's room uncover anything? Any possessions?

Im not the GM, but he will basically say a fancy no if im not mistaken

[WVUFAN]

I wish to apologize for not being active in this game. My mother is currently in the hospital, so I've been travelling 4 hours one way to visit her over the course of the past several days.

[Coder]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

I wish to apologize for not being active in this game. My mother is currently in the hospital, so I've been travelling 4 hours one way to visit her over the course of the past several days.

No need to apologize for anything. Some things are more important than games.

[Coder]

Since Schmidty's final words were that he was 100% sure dubb was a deatheater if he (Schmidty) died, I toss this out for analysis.

Name	Vote	        Day	Voteno	Total Votes
Dubb 	vote Neon	Day 1	10	47
dubb 	unvote Neon	Day 1	14	47
dubb 	vote Mr. W	Day 1	15	47
dubb 	switch to Qwik	Day 1	46	47
dubb 	vote WVUFan	Day 2	12	59
dubb 	unvote WVUFan	Day 2	20	59
dubb 	vote Pass	Day 2	21	59
dubb 	unvote Pass	Day 2	25	59
dubb 	vote SnDvls	Day 2	26	59
dubb 	unvote SnDvls	Day 2	43	59
dubb 	vote WVUFan	Day 2	44	59
dubb 	unvote WVUFan	Day 2	53	59
dubb 	vote SnDvls	Day 2	54	59
dubb 	vote path12	Day 3	8	51
dubb 	unvote path12	Day 3	45	51
dubb 	vote AlanT	Day 3	46	51
Dubb	vote Wednesday	Day 4	7	30
dubb	Vote Ardent	Day 5	5	26
dubb	Vote Schmidty	Day 6	5	20

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I'm at a loss for words. Of all the people on my list this morning, Desnudo, Coder, and Schmidty, the other 2 atleast admitted at some point that Gram was the duke and finally got it. How the hell could Schmidty have been a wizard and never seen that?

Well, I'm a wizard, and I didn't "see" it. Of all people, you should know that there's a difference between someone saying something and it being true. There's also a big difference between saying you're a role when your neck is on the line and when it isn't. IIRC, didn't Gram claim he was the duke out of nowhere?

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Coder

No need to apologize for anything. Some things are more important than games.

Agreed. Hope she's doing okay.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Well, I'm a wizard, and I didn't "see" it. Of all people, you should know that there's a difference between someone saying something and it being true. There's also a big difference between saying you're a role when your neck is on the line and when it isn't. IIRC, didn't Gram claim he was the duke out of nowhere?

I didn't exactly claim it from nowhere, I laid some very obvious hints. Then when Dubb brought it out in the open, I responded as if I was and it was about as obvious as you can get from there. If that seems odd to you, it did not for me.

Kind of like when Blade said a tie is a good way to validate a villager who breaks it or see who shifts late and changes votes. Then you said in post 246 that you thought a tie only benefits the wolves. I don't agree with that. If we had left the tie on me and Coder, we could have observed how people reacted and got more out of it, possibly.

[Coder]

Originally Posted by saldana

current votes

Gram - 5 - RA, raz, coder, Schmidty, RPI**
Coder - 5 -AE, Gram, Lathum, Jeeber, Desnudo
Schmidty - 1 -dubb

**--the non magical tiebreak is on gram

This was posted by Saldana at one point late in the voting yesterday.

What does he mean by that "non-magical tiebreak"? From what I remember after reading through the discussions on tie-breaks, no one was really sure how they worked?

[Coder]

Nevermind, found it in the rules

Each day, the remaining wizards must vote for another wizard to be lynched at nightfall. Any ties will be broken with the Wizard that received their last vote first being the one to be executed, unless some other method of breaking the tie occurs.

[saldana]

1. i will post in the main thread for replacements, although it will be very hard i think to get people to join a game with 2000 posts and the most unreal run of evil imaginable.
2. schmidty has nothing special about his possessions. thanks blade for helping out with that. i went to bed as soon as the night posting last night, i have a bit of a concussion right now and it is pretty hard for me to type these things between my head ache, piss poor coordination and visual focus issues.
3. PING WVUFAN: do you want me to include you in the attempt to be replaced because of your Mom (very much hope she is ok, i am sure everyone here does)

[saldana]

as the impact of the howler begins to recede, you all start slumping back to your homes, well aware that the owners of the night will soon be donning their cloaks, and there is a probablility that one of you will not wake up in the morning. and again your fears are confirmed when green evil lights the night sky and more laughter is heard breaking the silence. nothing has gone well for you all since the second day of this war, but if you think back further, it was actually before that when barkeep and blade with both killed in the same night. had it not been for the late votes to kill the Death Eater sndlvs that night, three wizards would have been killed in a single day, which could be insurmountable in terms of winning the war. Why are you having these thoughts...because you noticed that there is something different about the green light tonight, it seems brighter. Gripped with terror, you look outside and notice the reason immediately. Not one, but two Dark Marks adorn the starless sky outside. They are facing each other, appearing to mimic the laughter that you heard before they were shot into the sky. As day breaks, you slowly gather around the first house that was illluminated last night, and you enter to find the grey lifeless body of kinfc22 propped on the couch on all fours with what appears to be one of coffee warlords dead muggle yak's positioned provacatively behind him. Nothing of note is found in kingfc22's belongings except a large collection of pictures of Professor McGonagal from Hogwarts and numerous boxes of tissues. Moving along to the spot of the second Dark Mark, you almost dont realize what it was the Death Eaters did here. Laying on the floor in next to the liquor cabinet is the body of lathum, lying in pool of his own vomit, reeking of alcohol. So many times have you seen the town drunk in this position, asking anyone if they want to play the muggle game of chance called poker, that it takes you a minute to realize that lathum has been poisoned by the same means that Blade was a week ago. The news gets worse when you move all the liquor bottles out of the way in the cabinet and find the exact same stone basin that was found in Neon Chaos's house. Further examination finds a group of books and pamphlets, the title of which stands out from one of the moldier tomes, "a window into the mind, the ancient art of legilimency". It appears that in his moments of sobriety, Lathum had been a Student of Magic, and had recently mastered Legilimency.

it is day 7, vote deadline is at 9:30

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

I didn't exactly claim it from nowhere, I laid some very obvious hints. Then when Dubb brought it out in the open, I responded as if I was and it was about as obvious as you can get from there. If that seems odd to you, it did not for me.

Kind of like when Blade said a tie is a good way to validate a villager who breaks it or see who shifts late and changes votes. Then you said in post 246 that you thought a tie only benefits the wolves. I don't agree with that. If we had left the tie on me and Coder, we could have observed how people reacted and got more out of it, possibly.

I see. Also, I was mistaken with the tie thing. I thought a tie resulted in a "no-lynch". I am corrected now.