Werewolf XXI - Werewolf goes to Hollywood - Game Over!! Death Eaters win!! - Page 47

Raiders Army · 01-19-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

You took one thing and blew it up. In my mind, it's an indicator, not something to clear me. How do you know I started a potentional bandwagon against a wizard? It could've been against a DE. Also, it was more to gauge reactions. I thought that when I voted for Pass yesterday that would bring him out. It obviously didn't. I thought that when I voted for Jesse, it would bring him out, like it had the other times his name has been mentioned. Instead you joined the bandwagon on a "wizard". So who looks bad now?

What's up? You were full of posts earlier.

dubb93 · 01-19-2006, 01:54 PM

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it would bring him out, like it had the other times his name has been mentioned. Instead you joined the bandwagon on a "wizard".

I never said he was a wizard you are twisting words. In fact, I've gone of record saying I believe he is playing the quiet DE role and you are calling the shots. The simple fact remains that you removed your vote from him with no new evidence being provided. You then threw your vote on a proven wizard that was lynched.

I was simply saying that are you boasting about being the first to vote several times when your voting record simply shows you have never voted for a proven DE. That doesn't look good.

I am being aggresive today because I feel our backs are up against the wall seriously at this point and I have nothing to lose if I am killed at night at this point. We need to get a DE, you fit that perfectly.

No proven DE votes, no one has suspected you the entire game, you are an experienced player that knows both sides of the game, and you are still around. Something isn't adding up.

dubb93 · 01-19-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

What's up? You were full of posts earlier.

I took a smoke break.

Raiders Army · 01-19-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

I don't get what you are saying? You have been the 1st to vote several times, each time starting a potential bandwagon against a wizard. And this is somehow supposed to clear you?

Saying "I was the first to vote such and such" doesn't work when your voting record is as bad as yours is.

Bolded part mine. I twisted your words how? You said potential bandwagon against a wizard.

dubb93 · 01-19-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Yep I've played a couple of the early Werewolf games here, so I know what they can do.

I'm really trying to help you and understand where you are coming from.

You are saying that I might be a DE b/c I voted Sun late when it was tied up between you and him. The reason I may be a DE is b/c we didn't know that Sun could hide from the seer, when the fact remains that more than likely Sun told the DE's his role

I'm confused.

Raiders Army · 01-19-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

I took a smoke break.

Gotcha.

OOG: I quit smoking almost two years ago. I can't believe it's been that long. I think about it every day.

dubb93 · 01-19-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Bolded part mine. I twisted your words how? You said potential bandwagon against a wizard.

We aren't talking about Jesse, you didn't stay on him. Who are your other first votes? You are picking one time, where you happened to vote someone and then unvote them and they didn't get lynched. Congrats man.

dubb93 · 01-19-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

OOG: I quit smoking almost two years ago. I can't believe it's been that long. I think about it every day.

OOG: Expensive habit I wish I could kick, but my job is way too high stress at the moment.

Raiders Army · 01-19-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

I believe there's still time to get the other if the first vote fails. I believe that either RA or Dubb should get the vote today.

My favorite result (aside from winning) would be if RA and Dubb both turned out to be wizards and we lynched them both. I think Neon's head would explode.

Well, the problem with being one of those two is that I know I'm a wizard. The other potential problem I have is I'm not 100% sure dubb is a DE. If he is lynched today and turns out to be a wizard, I'm screwed and you'll be down two wizards, which would leave the wizards in a really bad situation.

The only reason why I think dubb may be a DE is that:

1. He is a very good, experienced player.
2. He joined the Jesse wagon yesterday.
3. He is attacking me a known (in my mind) wizard.

The reasons why I don't think dubb may be a DE is that:

1. He is vocal, which I don't think the DEs are in this game.
2. Neon seemed to want to believe he's good.
3. He has made some good votes in the game.

My two cents.

Raiders Army · 01-19-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

We aren't talking about Jesse, you didn't stay on him. Who are your other first votes? You are picking one time, where you happened to vote someone and then unvote them and they didn't get lynched. Congrats man.

You said "each time starting a potential bandwagon against a wizard." I assume that means Jesse as well since you didn't say "each time excluding your Jesse vote." One sec, and I'll look up what you want.

dubb93 · 01-19-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

I believe there's still time to get the other if the first vote fails. I believe that either RA or Dubb should get the vote today.

My favorite result (aside from winning) would be if RA and Dubb both turned out to be wizards and we lynched them both. I think Neon's head would explode.

I know I am a wizard, and if my name hadn't came up every freakin day for vote I'm sure I wouldn't be here to take the aggresive role today.

I'm not very confident RA is a wizard. His voting record is awful. He hasn't been suspected. He's an experienced player. Why would he be around and why would his voting record be so bad if he was a wizard. One of the two may just be chance, but when you combine the voting record with the fact that he hasn't been suspected and is still around something doesn't seem right.

Desnudo · 01-19-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Well, the problem with being one of those two is that I know I'm a wizard. The other potential problem I have is I'm not 100% sure dubb is a DE. If he is lynched today and turns out to be a wizard, I'm screwed and you'll be down two wizards, which would leave the wizards in a really bad situation.

The only reason why I think dubb may be a DE is that:

1. He is a very good, experienced player.
2. He joined the Jesse wagon yesterday.
3. He is attacking me a known (in my mind) wizard.

The reasons why I don't think dubb may be a DE is that:

1. He is vocal, which I don't think the DEs are in this game.
2. Neon seemed to want to believe he's good.
3. He has made some good votes in the game.

My two cents.

I think what Neon thought on Day 2 or 3 can be thrown out the window for the most part. His ego and rantings about Dubb aside, his list of suspect people all turned out to be villagers (that have been validated). Also, no one knows enough on Day 2 or 3 to draw conclusions. The only advantage Neon had was knowing the people he scanned. Since he shared that info with us, we were all basing calculations on the same data.

If none of the DEs are vocal, then that leaves Taz, Jesse, and Jeebs. While we're discussing them, why is the focus on Jesse, who voted for both of the DEs, and not Taz?

Raiders Army · 01-19-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

We aren't talking about Jesse, you didn't stay on him. Who are your other first votes? You are picking one time, where you happened to vote someone and then unvote them and they didn't get lynched. Congrats man.

Just going over the last few voting cycles:

Jesse (unvoted) (didn't vote first)
Jesse (unvoted) (voted first)
Grammaticus (voted first)
Pass (unvoted) (voted first)
Jesse (unvoted) (voted first again on the same day when pass was replaced)

Man, I must have a boner for Jesse's lynch. *shrug*

What the hell. I'm not sure of dubb, so I'll go with Jesse again today (who I'm not sure of either, but what the hell, I've voted for him and unvoted for him so many times).

UNVOTE DUBB
VOTE JESSE EWIAK

Raiders Army · 01-19-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

I think what Neon thought on Day 2 or 3 can be thrown out the window for the most part. His ego and rantings about Dubb aside, his list of suspect people all turned out to be villagers (that have been validated). Also, no one knows enough on Day 2 or 3 to draw conclusions. The only advantage Neon had was knowing the people he scanned. Since he shared that info with us, we were all basing calculations on the same data.

If none of the DEs are vocal, then that leaves Taz, Jesse, and Jeebs. While we're discussing them, why is the focus on Jesse, who voted for both of the DEs, and not Taz?

Not sure, he just rubs me the wrong way since he appears to be very emotional when we push him.

Raiders Army · 01-19-2006, 02:18 PM

I'd be good for Taz or Jesse...just I've unvoted him so many times that if he really is a DE, I'd kick myself.

Superman=#54 · 01-19-2006, 02:27 PM

Taz seems like the man to me. He has either thrown away his vote, or voted the wrong way. Very quiet, which seems like a good strategy this game if you don't want to get lynched. If I would have posted 50 or 60 times the day after I killed SunnyD, one of the wizards or wolves would have twisted my words to make me look like an enemy of the state.

Right now I am really leaning towards voting on Taz, but still may change my vote later to make it count.

Superman=#54 · 01-19-2006, 02:29 PM

In fact lets make it official... for now

VOTE TAZ

Could change at anytime if a better suspect is brought up.

TazFTW · 01-19-2006, 02:35 PM

Thomkal · 01-19-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

heh

That is your only response to people being suspicious of you and voting for you Taz?

TazFTW · 01-19-2006, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

That is your only response to people being suspicious of you and voting for you Taz?

Yep. I do not care if I get lynched. The DEs have played a good game since day 2 and I do not want to stop their momentum.

Thomkal · 01-19-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Yep. I do not care if I get lynched. The DEs have played a good game since day 2 and I do not want to stop their momentum.

Lovely

TazFTW · 01-19-2006, 02:52 PM

What were you expecting?

I've been the simple villager role for 95% of these games (only had 2 non-villager roles, a dreamweaver and a assassin).

The only defense a villager has is their voting record. My voting record stinks. I have no defense.

Thomkal · 01-19-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

What were you expecting?

I've been the simple villager role for 95% of these games (only had 2 non-villager roles, a dreamweaver and a assassin).

The only defense a villager has is their voting record. My voting record stinks. I have no defense.

I wasn't expecting a villager to encourage his fellow villagers to vote for him so that the enemy would be that much closer to winning that's for sure.

Desnudo · 01-19-2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

What were you expecting?

I've been the simple villager role for 95% of these games (only had 2 non-villager roles, a dreamweaver and a assassin).

The only defense a villager has is their voting record. My voting record stinks. I have no defense.

I don't know maybe for you to say, hey, don't vote for me, I'm not a DE.

TazFTW · 01-19-2006, 03:10 PM

And that would make you believe me how?

Desnudo · 01-19-2006, 03:16 PM

I'm not sure why you're so resigned to getting lynched when you have two votes on you. I'm just suprised that you would up and throw in the towel and go down without a fight.

Desnudo · 01-19-2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Yep. I do not care if I get lynched. The DEs have played a good game since day 2 and I do not want to stop their momentum.

If you read that in a sarcastic tone, it makes more sense.

dubb93 · 01-19-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

I'm not sure why you're so resigned to getting lynched when you have two votes on you. I'm just suprised that you would up and throw in the towel and go down without a fight.

Unless I miscounted it is currently:

RA 2: (Taz, Dubb)
Jesse 1: (RA)
Ardent 1: (Thomkal)
Dubb 1: (Desnudo)
Taz 1: (Superman)

Did I miss a vote for Taz anywhere?

TazFTW · 01-19-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

I'm not sure why you're so resigned to getting lynched when you have two votes on you. I'm just suprised that you would up and throw in the towel and go down without a fight.

There's only one vote on me (Superman). I go down very easy.

dubb93 · 01-19-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

There's only one vote on me (Superman). I go down very easy.

This is by far the weirdest defense strategy I've ever seen anyone take.

Desnudo · 01-19-2006, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Unless I miscounted it is currently:

RA 2: (Taz, Dubb)
Jesse 1: (RA)
Ardent 1: (Thomkal)
Dubb 1: (Desnudo)
Taz 1: (Superman)

Did I miss a vote for Taz anywhere?

No, I misspoke/typed.

Grammaticus · 01-19-2006, 04:32 PM

Taz meets both the suspicious and quite concerns that I have. He is playing the game just like he did as a wolf in the past. For now

VOTE TAZ

Raiders Army · 01-19-2006, 05:43 PM

In self-defense:

UNVOTE JESSE EWIAK
VOTE TAZ

I hope I don't have to explain this one.

Man, this is the umpteenth time I've voted for Jesse and unvoted.

Thomkal · 01-19-2006, 06:32 PM

Okay RA,

You've practically beat us over the head today especially with how you've kept voting for Jesse. Are you basing your vote on information you gathered about him due to your role in this game, or purely on a hunch, voting analysis, and/or his defense of you voting for him?

Jesse_Ewiak · 01-19-2006, 06:33 PM

Arrrgh. Stupid computer deleting my typing.

Anyway. As I said afrer Coder was revealed as a wizard - I'm lost. Utterly and completely lost. Only reason why I haven't been killed is that the wolves know better - after all, every instinct I've had has been wrong.

To defend myself, I'm a simple villager. All I have is my voting record. I voted for two DE's on the frst two days. What DE would do that, not knowing the future and the wizards absolute incompetence after the first two days? Zero.

That said, I'll admit I'm jumping on a bandwagon. Why not? It's just another dead wizard I'll be invovled in.

VOTE TAZ

Raiders Army · 01-19-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Okay RA,

You've practically beat us over the head today especially with how you've kept voting for Jesse. Are you basing your vote on information you gathered about him due to your role in this game, or purely on a hunch, voting analysis, and/or his defense of you voting for him?

Well, I didn't beat you over the head about how I voted for him. Remember I was asked by dubb...otherwise I would have never have looked back at my votes and realized I voted for him so much.

1. I did not base my vote on information I gathered about him due to my role. I have no special role.

2. I think initially I voted for him because he was quiet. I saw that I could get a reaction out of him, so I figured he would be a good target to see who would bandwagon, how he would react to it twice, etc. The funny part is that I voted for him more than twice that way. I didn't think I had, but I did. I could see how he would be pissed.

Desnudo · 01-19-2006, 06:53 PM

A couple of thoughts:

One, if Jeeber turns out to have been a DE, it will have screwed everything up. Thanks tubgirl! Second, if Taz was a DE, wouldn't he be working harder on shifting votes somewhere else? Let's not roll the bandwagon yet.

Thomkal · 01-19-2006, 06:55 PM

Okay Jesse,

Why would you vote for Taz when you could have put the deciding vote on Raiders, who has voted for you several times now?

Raiders Army · 01-19-2006, 06:58 PM

That's a good question, but good luck trying to get anything worthwhile out of him.

Jesse_Ewiak · 01-19-2006, 07:25 PM

Honestly, becaue I do think RA is a wizard - just obsessed with gettin rid of people who aren't as active as they should be. Taz has been even quieter than me, with no real reason that's been said.

Thomkal · 01-19-2006, 07:27 PM

Well lets make it a little closer at least and see what happens.

UNVOTE ARDENT
VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

TazFTW · 01-19-2006, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse_Ewiak

Taz has been even quieter than me, with no real reason that's been said.

BS

dubb93 · 01-19-2006, 07:40 PM

Taz 4: (Superman, Jesse, RA, Gram)
RA 3: (Taz, Dubb, Thomkal)
Dubb 1: (Desnudo)

This is how I have the voting right now.

Desnudo · 01-19-2006, 07:46 PM

I think, key word being think, that Dubb has a stronger argument than you RA. Therefore:

Vote Raiders Army

If you're wizard, sorry.

Desnudo · 01-19-2006, 07:48 PM

sorry,

Unvote Dubb

Vote Raiders Army

Desnudo · 01-19-2006, 07:48 PM

Now we need AE to show up and break the tie.

dubb93 · 01-19-2006, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

I think, key word being think, that Dubb has a stronger argument than you RA. Therefore:

Vote Raiders Army

If you're wizard, sorry.

You forgot to unvote me first

dubb93 · 01-19-2006, 07:49 PM

looks like I was too late on that one.

dubb93 · 01-19-2006, 07:51 PM

Taz 4: (Superman, Jesse, RA, Gram)
RA 4: (Taz, Dubb, Thomkal, Desnudo)

As of right now the non magical tie breaker has Taz being lynched.

Poli · 01-19-2006, 08:07 PM

I'm going to need a few minutes to read, sorry guys. Flu has my butt kicked, and I'm trying to study for a test.

01-19-2006, 02:27 PM	#2316
Superman=#54 High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chicago, IL	Taz seems like the man to me. He has either thrown away his vote, or voted the wrong way. Very quiet, which seems like a good strategy this game if you don't want to get lynched. If I would have posted 50 or 60 times the day after I killed SunnyD, one of the wizards or wolves would have twisted my words to make me look like an enemy of the state. Right now I am really leaning towards voting on Taz, but still may change my vote later to make it count. __________________ New signature pending....

01-19-2006, 02:29 PM	#2317
Superman=#54 High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chicago, IL	In fact lets make it official... for now VOTE TAZ Could change at anytime if a better suspect is brought up. __________________ New signature pending....

01-19-2006, 08:07 PM	#2350
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I'm going to need a few minutes to read, sorry guys. Flu has my butt kicked, and I'm trying to study for a test. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-19-2006, 02:18 PM	#2315
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I'd be good for Taz or Jesse...just I've unvoted him so many times that if he really is a DE, I'd kick myself.

01-19-2006, 02:35 PM	#2318
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	heh

01-19-2006, 02:52 PM	#2322
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	What were you expecting? I've been the simple villager role for 95% of these games (only had 2 non-villager roles, a dreamweaver and a assassin). The only defense a villager has is their voting record. My voting record stinks. I have no defense.

01-19-2006, 03:10 PM	#2325
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	And that would make you believe me how?

01-19-2006, 03:16 PM	#2326
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	I'm not sure why you're so resigned to getting lynched when you have two votes on you. I'm just suprised that you would up and throw in the towel and go down without a fight.

01-19-2006, 04:32 PM	#2332
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	Taz meets both the suspicious and quite concerns that I have. He is playing the game just like he did as a wolf in the past. For now VOTE TAZ

01-19-2006, 05:43 PM	#2333
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	In self-defense: UNVOTE JESSE EWIAK VOTE TAZ I hope I don't have to explain this one. Man, this is the umpteenth time I've voted for Jesse and unvoted.

01-19-2006, 06:32 PM	#2334
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Okay RA, You've practically beat us over the head today especially with how you've kept voting for Jesse. Are you basing your vote on information you gathered about him due to your role in this game, or purely on a hunch, voting analysis, and/or his defense of you voting for him?

01-19-2006, 06:33 PM	#2335
Jesse_Ewiak Banned Join Date: Apr 2004	Arrrgh. Stupid computer deleting my typing. Anyway. As I said afrer Coder was revealed as a wizard - I'm lost. Utterly and completely lost. Only reason why I haven't been killed is that the wolves know better - after all, every instinct I've had has been wrong. To defend myself, I'm a simple villager. All I have is my voting record. I voted for two DE's on the frst two days. What DE would do that, not knowing the future and the wizards absolute incompetence after the first two days? Zero. That said, I'll admit I'm jumping on a bandwagon. Why not? It's just another dead wizard I'll be invovled in. VOTE TAZ

01-19-2006, 06:53 PM	#2337
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	A couple of thoughts: One, if Jeeber turns out to have been a DE, it will have screwed everything up. Thanks tubgirl! Second, if Taz was a DE, wouldn't he be working harder on shifting votes somewhere else? Let's not roll the bandwagon yet.

01-19-2006, 06:55 PM	#2338
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Okay Jesse, Why would you vote for Taz when you could have put the deciding vote on Raiders, who has voted for you several times now?

01-19-2006, 06:58 PM	#2339
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	That's a good question, but good luck trying to get anything worthwhile out of him.

01-19-2006, 07:25 PM	#2340
Jesse_Ewiak Banned Join Date: Apr 2004	Honestly, becaue I do think RA is a wizard - just obsessed with gettin rid of people who aren't as active as they should be. Taz has been even quieter than me, with no real reason that's been said.

01-19-2006, 07:27 PM	#2341
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Well lets make it a little closer at least and see what happens. UNVOTE ARDENT VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

01-19-2006, 07:46 PM	#2344
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	I think, key word being think, that Dubb has a stronger argument than you RA. Therefore: Vote Raiders Army If you're wizard, sorry.

01-19-2006, 07:48 PM	#2345
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	sorry, Unvote Dubb Vote Raiders Army

01-19-2006, 07:48 PM	#2346
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Now we need AE to show up and break the tie.

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